Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
I have to say I finally made the change|! I decided to use Chrome as my primary browser because it is fast and does not chrash like IE... Ie is too slow and does not work well anymore.
We have to stay up to date and that's what I am trying to do and if one has no prejudice we can do everything... I mean, it is not so hard to learn Chrome, it is easier than I expected.. So, thank you to nvda group who helped me to move forward! Best. Angela from Italy
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Il 09/05/2018 18:07, brian ha scritto: If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:37 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt *Sent:* 08 May 2018 19:19 *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
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Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop.
So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome.
The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web site.
Press CTRL+L or Alt+D
and type the following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is open.
This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through.
I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here.
New incognito Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key command for reading your history.
You can read a few sites you were on right here.
I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome.
Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D
That command will bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that.
Here is the important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is, CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.
To save a web site as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are very self explanatory.
The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to desktop.
This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same as add ons, in IE.
I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.
Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:
Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account.
I am not sure about this.
You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance.
The first thing you hear:
Settings.
That is the very top of the web page.
Down arrow, and you hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again, and you hear:
Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow, you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I could change my name.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again, and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box.
Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people clickable.
Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Manage other people button.
This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again, and you hear:
Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:
Down arrow again, and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and settings button.
Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE.
This is another way of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu.
There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did nothing with.
Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more.
Then, you hear Themes button.
Do nothing with this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the home button toggle.
Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not.
Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.
Next Important heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome.
There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings on this settings page.
I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.
The next heading, is on start up.
Finally, here is where you set up your home page.
There are three radio buttons here.
I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show.
The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings.
Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings.
There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security heading:
Down arrow from here, and you hear:
Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.
You have a clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.
I left this unchecked.
Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with spacebar.
The next three settings I just left alone.
I checked the one that says:
Use a web service to help with spelling.
I leave manage certificates alone.
Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working with the same heading.
The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with this.
Accessibility heading:
I did nothing with this.
Now, we have the System heading:
Down arrow, and you hear:
Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.
We are done with Settings.
Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web page, opens in another tab.
That is it for settings.
Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice.
I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same.
This is the end of the tutorial.
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*From: *Monte Single <mailto:mrsingle@sasktel.net> *Sent: *Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *David Moore *Sent:* May-06-18 4:21 PM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io *Subject:* Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
Hi all!
I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years.
I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is.
Just read works great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome!
David Moore
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I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds.
Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times.
Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back.
To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business.
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Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now
I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared.
This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful.
If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material.
The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times.
I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox.
If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l.
I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
If and chrome has first naavigation then and only will I
switch to it from ie thats the reason that so many blind people
still use ie because of first letter navigation if you have a lot
of favorites or bookmarcks thats a lots of down arrowing just to
get to the one that you want. this is a lack in googles part
since ie has always had this feature so why can't chrome have
it/? I know that nvda does work with chrome so if this could
beadded then I think that more blind people would switch to
chrome. Google just doesn't get it.
Brian Sackrider
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On 5/8/2018 7:55 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome
on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press
enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue
at all.
Dan Beaver
On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno
wrote:
I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for
the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I
wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not
activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate
the option "open in new window".
On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
Hi,
For the curious, you get to the
toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the
first item, then you can arrow left and right through
the toolbars.
All the best
Steve
Sorry about this message, I meant
NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS.
All the best
Steve
Hi,
Excellent tutorial.
The only thing it doesn’t touch
on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the
High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me
how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour
invertion. According to help, you have to click it from
the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it.
Any ideas please?
All the best
Steve
Hi all!
No problem at all.
I will paste my text
tutorial right here in the message so you can all read
it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer.
Here is the tutorial on using Chrome!
Tutorial for Using
the Google Chrome Browser
By David Moore
This tutorial will
be done with the latest update of Chrome.
I will also use JAWS
18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial,
because they all work the same in Chrome.
Finally, I will use
Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build.
I will assume that
you have downloaded and installed Chrome.
There should be a
shortcut on your desktop.
Section One:
Launching Chrome:
One way to Launch
Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and
type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter
when you hear JAWS say Chrome.
However, since you
have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut
icon on your desktop.
So next, find the
shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to
open Chrome.
The short cut will
actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the
Google Chrome icon on your desktop.
The first very
important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise
the window. Chrome often opens with the window not
maximise, and you will get undesirable results.
Section Two:
Bringing up a web
site.
Press CTRL+L or
Alt+D
and type the
following:
www.freedomscientific.com
The Freedom
Scientific web site comes up very quickly.
All navigation
commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for
combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.
Section Three:
The Virticle Chrome
menu:
I will press Alt+F.
The Chrome menu is
open.
This is a very large
virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down
arrow through.
I will press
insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.
New Tab, CTRL+T.
You can press that
command right from the web site you are on.
New Window, CTRL+N
You can press these
commands right from your web page, instead of coming
here.
New incognito
Window.
History sub menu.
I will press right
arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!
History, CTRL+H
So, there is a key
command for reading your history.
You can read a few
sites you were on right here.
I will press left
arrow to close this history sub menu.
Downloads, CTRL+J
There is the command
for opening your downloads you have downloaded with
Chrome.
Next, the important
Bookmarks sub menu.
I will press right
arrow, to open this.
I hear, bookmark
this page, CTRL+D
That command will
bookmark the page you are reading.
Next down arrow,
says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B
That command, will
show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to
see. I do not want that.
Here is the
important one.
manage bookmarks
The command is,
CTRL+Shift+O
In here, you can
organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks
you have imported from different browsers, and very
importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML
file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.
On your computer,
you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,
and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all
bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome
way to download all of your bookmarks right to your
computer, so you can back them up.
That is all for
manage bookmarks.
Next, I hear import
bookmarks and settings.
press enter on this,
and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE,
and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be
in their corresponding folders.
Now, I hear all of
my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.
Very important!
Sometimes, when I
open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the
choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my
saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few
times, and it gets me to these choices.
Keep in mind, that
many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key
commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks
sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the
time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter
on the desired one.
To save a web site
as a bookmark,
Just press CTRL+D
and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.
I will now press
left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!
I will continue to
down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we
entered by just pressing alt.
The next few are
very self explanatory.
The next one I will
mension, is the more tools submenu.
I will press right
arrow on this.
I hear Save Page as,
and the command, CTRL+S.
Next, Save to
desktop.
This allows you to
save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.
This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this
in the file menu in IE.
It is hidden under
this more tools submenu.
Clear Browsing data,
and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.
Extentions, In here,
you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.
These are the same
as add ons, in IE.
I will press left
arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back
to the virticle Chrome menu.
The last two that I
will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.
If you press the
left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help
system, just like in other programs, so that is all I
will say about help.
Now, we will press
enter on settings, and a web like page will open where
the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will
be in Brows mode.
Section Four:
Adjusting Settings
and Advanced settings:
Now that this web
page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and
we will deal with each setting.
Important:
I have already
signed into Chrome.
So now, arrow down
until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.
You just enter your
email address and password, I think it has to be the
same email address and password that you used to set up
your Google account.
I am not sure about
this.
You do not need to
sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your
activity between all devices that you have Chrome on.
That is the only advantage of signing in.
I will continue with
what I hear after you have signed in.
If you do not sign
in, press H until you hear Appearance.
Each group of
settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.
This makes it very easy, because you just press H until
you hear the group of settings you want to work with.
Now, because I have
signed in, this is what I hear before getting to
appearance.
The first thing you
hear:
Settings.
That is the very top
of the web page.
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Main Menu Button.
That will just take
you back to the virticle menu we were in.
If you down arrow
again, you will just hear blank.
Down arrow, again,
and you hear:
Settings again, but
now, this is a heading. You can get here just by
pressing H at the top of the page.
If you down arrow,
you hear:
Search Settings.
This is where you
can type in a setting that you want to change.
Down arrow again,
and there is the edit field where you type in the
setting you want to work with.
Down arrow again,
and you hear another heading saying people.
Down arrow again,
and I hear David Clickable.
This is because I
have already signed into Chrome.
Down arrow again,
and I hear my Gmail email address.
Again, this is
because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my
settings and all of that.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Edit person.
This is where I
could change my name.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Sign Out.
This is because I
have already signed in to Chrome.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
Sync.
Down arrow again,
and I hear:
On, Sync everything.
This is a combo box,
where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in
this combo box.
Again, all of this
is because I have signed into Chrome already.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Sync button.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Manage other people
clickable.
Don't worry about
the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,
but then there is the button you enter on right after
that.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Manage other people
button.
This is what you
would press enter on to set up another user.
Down arrow again,
and you hear:
Import bookmarks and
settings Clickable:
Down arrow again,
and you actually hear
Import bookmarks and
settings button.
Here, you press
enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from
other Browsers like IE.
This is another way
of doing this, because remember,
We had a choice of
manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the
virticle menu.
There is more than
one place to do things in Chrome.
Now, we have a
series of headings, that you can just press H for
heading, to get to.
Now, we have gotten
to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:
themes, which I did
nothing with.
Next, you can open
the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of
extentions, and more.
Then, you hear
Themes button.
Do nothing with
this.
Next, you hear:
Show home clickable.
Just skip that.
There are many
buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button
that you actually press enter on to work with it.
Just work with the
buttons, and skip over these vclickables.
Down arrow, and you
have an edit box where you can put in your home page you
want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.
Next, there is the
home button toggle.
Press the spacebar
to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the
home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.
I have it checked.
Now, there are two
radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a
custom web address.
Search Heading:
We are at another
heading, where you can set your search Engine.
There is a combo box
below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my
searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of
Bing.
Next heading:
Default Browser.
Here, you can choose
weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or
not.
Just leave this
alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default
browser.
Next Important
heading:
On Start up.
Here is where you
put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you
start Chrome.
There are three
radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a
specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.
Under this, you can
type in the URL of the web site that you want to open
when you start Chrome.
Under this, there is
a link where you can add more pages you want to show
when Chrome starts up.
Now, we are up to
the search engin heading.
This is a heading.
There are headings
on this settings page.
I chose to use
Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo
box.
The next heading, is
on start up.
Finally, here is
where you set up your home page.
There are three
radio buttons here.
I chose the third
one, to open a selected page or selected pages.
Next, I was able to
enter:
www.Google.Com.
That is my home page
that will open each time I start Chrome.
Next important group
of settings, the advanced settings.
Now, you have to
press enter on the advanced settings button before more
headings of settings will show.
The Advanced
settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to
show more headings of settings.
Now that these
advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading
of settings.
There is much more
we can customize under the advanced settings.
Privacy and security
heading:
Down arrow from
here, and you hear:
Use a web service to
resolve navigation errors.
You have a
clickable, and a toggle.
Press spacebar to
toggle this on or off.
Again, ignore the
clickables.
Now you have:
Use a prodiction
service to enable you in searches.
I left this
unchecked.
Next, you have a
setting to speed up the loading of web pages:
I checked this with
spacebar.
The next three
settings I just left alone.
I checked the one
that says:
Use a web service to
help with spelling.
I leave manage
certificates alone.
Next, you have
content settings, but this is not a new heading.
We are still working
with the same heading.
The only thing of
interest here, is the clear history button.
This was available
in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.
Now, we get to the
next heading of settings.
Passwords and forms:
Under this heading,
just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome
save passwords.
Languages Heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Downloads heading:
This is where you
choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your
computer.
Printing heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Accessibility
heading:
I did nothing with
this.
Now, we have the
System heading:
Down arrow, and you
hear:
Continue running
background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.
I have this
unchecked.
Next,
Use hard ware
excelloration when Available.
I have this checked.
Next, you hear:
Open proxy settings
button.
I left this alone.
Last Heading LOL!
Reset.
Here, you can reset
all settings back to their origional.
We are done with
Settings.
Now, just press
CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.
This settings web
page, opens in another tab.
That is it for
settings.
Notice, we made a
lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot
see these, unless you press enter to expand these.
Now, press the Alt
key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu
where we were with the settings.
You see exit, up
arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the
settings choice.
I press right arrow
on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help
center to get a lot of help using Chrome.
To open a web site,
just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.
Chrome for me, is so
much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV
and Watching movies, and so on.
For me, Chrome opens
large news sites very quickly compared to IE.
Lastly, All JAWS and
NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For
example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with
JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is
the exact same.
This is the end of
the tutorial.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my
mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi David,
Please post your
tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not
always paying attention to all details.
Thanks,
Monte
Hi all!
I have been telling
people just how great Chrome is for two and a half
years.
I am so happy that
all of you are finding it to be true.
If anyone needs my
text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you
through all settings, I will paste it on the list.
I have done this
around ten times on all the lists, but you are still
finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome
is.
Just read works
great for just reading an article on the page.
CTRL+J allows you to
hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O
allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can
arrange them in different folders and back them up.
Chrome is great with
Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot
other than just simple browsing.
Have a great one,
and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used
to Chrome!
David Moore
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From: juan gonzalez
Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my
mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now
I use the add on
called sound on for navigational sounds.
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Sent: Sunday, May 6,
2018 9:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it
much more now
Would anyone know if
Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current
firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or
when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear
the ticks in the old version due to navigational
sounds.
Until i find a
browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a
new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been
reading that some sites now do not support the old
versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things
like modal windows whatever they are.
On XP to make
Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a
version 45, as after this the actual load up times are
hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for
multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is
also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox
are similar in page loading times.
Things are no
pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to
see the message you browser is unsupported get this or
that then you can come back.
To me this is a
weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in
effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that
is their business.
Brian
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Sent: Sunday, May
06, 2018 10:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] I've
largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much
more now
I may have sent
messages in the past in which I expressed a much
stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point,
I've changed my mind and, unless things change over
time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its
new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be
superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for
uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will
therefore only address general browsing and the
interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects
I haven't compared.
This is a long
message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of
the interface. I hope those interested in the subject
find it useful.
If you try Chrome
and find it superior for general browsing, you may still
not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are
various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my
mind and what you may want to consider. You may have
other or different considerations as well.
The reason I say
Chrome is better for general browsing is because it
loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to
compare and see if the difference is important to you.
There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't
compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast
machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP
perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that,
if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable
difference, even though the machine was slow. But there
wasn't a difference that amounted to anything.
I recently decided
to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows
7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that
Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference
in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the
results would have been on a fast XP machine.
I haven't used
Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I
say it's better for general browsing.
The Chrome interface
is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It
isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will
likely want a tutorial or some instructional material.
If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not
want or need such material, at least not to use in
depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using
material.
The main things to
know in terms of the differences in the interface are
that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as
settings and history and there is one menu, which you
can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of
course, there are submenus and there are also items that
open like web pages such as settings.
I don't recall if
there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu.
But if you work with
settings, you need to know that the settings interface
doesn't work quite properly in the following way:
It's a web page-like
interface but there some controls that don't work as
they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and
I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't
know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms
mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab
to the button because forms mode may not have been
properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface,
at least at times.
I seem to recall
that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode
to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to
know if that is the case since I don't have a clear
memory of whether that was necessary.
There's a very
useful settings search feature in settings.
One of my main
objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks
interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as
Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks
appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned
from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be
more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I
haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it
works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd
want to play with it more before saying just how well it
works. It' appears to work well from the very little
testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you
can type some or all of what you want to find such as
york times or new york times and you can up and down
arrow through results. Some of them will be search
results using a search engine but the top results in the
list should be from book marks and history. Try reading
the current line after typing to see if that contains
the first result. I haven't played with the feature
more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works
well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an
important deficiency. In other words, this feature may
make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in
Firefox.
If you use Firefox
extensions that you consider important and use them a
lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you
want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not
learning a new interface and continuing to use the
familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine
questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a
good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary
from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a
hands on test, you may wish to.
Browsing is either
identical or nearly identical between the browsers
because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC
cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing.
So you can compare
by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some
web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just
as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are
automatically placed on the address bar, but you can
check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no
time to execute control l.
I hope those who are
interested in this subject find these comments useful.
If people are
curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser,
they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all
so I don't know how Edge compares.
Gene
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I think its in master as well now, and no it won't! Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Maybe it helps to execute the “Run COM Registration Fixing tool” from the tools menu of the next releases.
Regards,
Ralf
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 12:38 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
If you didn't have the problem before and if no one else reports such a problem after the update, I suspect there might be a defect in the update. I don't have the technical knowledge to say if that technically might be the case or suggest what to do.
Gene
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From: Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote:
First, check to see that the preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this.
Try holding control when moving through the files list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both keys.
I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement significantly.
You may find that movement is speeded up on your other machine as well.
From: Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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One other thing about the update. well several. Does the fan runn a lot more? Does the battery life seem shorter? If the answer to both is yes, then go back as there is a known driver issue with some laptop hardware apparently, and its not been resolved yet. I know several laptop users with your and toshiba machines with similar issues on the April update of windows 10, I'm sure Microsoft will sort it but its pointless trying to fix it if its a bug. Just my thoughts. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote: First, check to see that the preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this. Try holding control when moving through the files list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both keys. I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement significantly. You may find that movement is speeded up on your other machine as well.
*From:* Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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One also assumes that the power saving processor idle speed has not once again returned to a very useless low level making the very laggy explorer using uia even worse than it is normally.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote: First, check to see that the preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this. Try holding control when moving through the files list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both keys. I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement significantly. You may find that movement is speeded up on your other machine as well.
*From:* Jacob Kruger <mailto:jacob@blindza.co.za> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *Subject:* [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Hi rosemarie Thanks for your help. Regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 08 May 2018 23:39 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing a factory reset of NVDA Hi, Anthony, Hit NVDA key and Q as if you were going to quit NVDA. Then arrow down to "disable add-ons". If you want to bring them back again, repeat the above steps. Hope this helps. Rosemarie Hi quentin What is the hot key to disable or enable add-ons please? Thanks in advance Anthony From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: 08 May 2018 03:38 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing a factory reset of NVDA Hi Ibrahim, A couple of things you can try: - Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled: Press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER. - Try various web pages. For instance, does the issue happen with the nvaccess.org site? Finally, if you do want to reset to factory defaults, note that it will overwrite all your settings, so be aware of that. You can create a portable copy first to back up your settings: 1. Press NVDA+N to open the NVDA menu. 2. Press T for the Tools menu. 3. Press C to create a portable copy. 4. Either type a directory, or TAB to the "Browse" button and select one. 5. Be sure to tab to the "Copy current user configuration" button and make sure that is checked with the spacebar. 6. Press the continue button. To do a factory reset itself, press NVDA+control+r three times quickly. If the factory reset does fix the issues, try manually changing your settings back to how you prefer them one by one and see if any changes you make bring back the slowness. If resetting doesn't help, you can revert your changed settings by running the portable copy of NVDA you created from the directory you setup. Note that launching a copy of NVDA automatically closes any running copy, you can run your regular copy in order to find the portable copy. While running the portable copy, press NVDA+n, then T, then press I to install NVDA. Be sure to select the option to copy the current configuration to the installed copy. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote: Hello: I recently posted on this group talking about my problem with the internet being too slow using NVDA. It is a problem I have on the major browsers I use, including firefox Mozilla and chrome. But I don't have the same slow problem when I use JAWS. Someone suggested that I do a factory reset of the NVDA screen reader. So, please how do I do this. Again, will I lose all my present configuration settings? If so, how can I do a backup to prevent losing all my current settings. Hope to read a response. I am Ibrahim.
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Hi quentin Many thanks for your explanation I really appreciated your help. Best regards Anthony
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: 09 May 2018 02:26 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing a factory reset of NVDA Hi Anthony, As Rosemarie said, press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER. To disable or enable add-ons individually, press NVDA+n, then T for tools, then A for add-ons. On this screen you can down arrow through the add-ons and press alt+e to enable an add-on which has previously been disabled, or alt+d to disable n add-on which is currently enabled. Once done, press alt+c to close. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote: Hi, Anthony, Hit NVDA key and Q as if you were going to quit NVDA. Then arrow down to "disable add-ons". If you want to bring them back again, repeat the above steps. Hope this helps. Rosemarie Hi quentin What is the hot key to disable or enable add-ons please? Thanks in advance Anthony From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: 08 May 2018 03:38 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Doing a factory reset of NVDA Hi Ibrahim, A couple of things you can try: - Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled: Press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER. - Try various web pages. For instance, does the issue happen with the nvaccess.org site? Finally, if you do want to reset to factory defaults, note that it will overwrite all your settings, so be aware of that. You can create a portable copy first to back up your settings: 1. Press NVDA+N to open the NVDA menu. 2. Press T for the Tools menu. 3. Press C to create a portable copy. 4. Either type a directory, or TAB to the "Browse" button and select one. 5. Be sure to tab to the "Copy current user configuration" button and make sure that is checked with the spacebar. 6. Press the continue button. To do a factory reset itself, press NVDA+control+r three times quickly. If the factory reset does fix the issues, try manually changing your settings back to how you prefer them one by one and see if any changes you make bring back the slowness. If resetting doesn't help, you can revert your changed settings by running the portable copy of NVDA you created from the directory you setup. Note that launching a copy of NVDA automatically closes any running copy, you can run your regular copy in order to find the portable copy. While running the portable copy, press NVDA+n, then T, then press I to install NVDA. Be sure to select the option to copy the current configuration to the installed copy. On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote: Hello: I recently posted on this group talking about my problem with the internet being too slow using NVDA. It is a problem I have on the major browsers I use, including firefox Mozilla and chrome. But I don't have the same slow problem when I use JAWS. Someone suggested that I do a factory reset of the NVDA screen reader. So, please how do I do this. Again, will I lose all my present configuration settings? If so, how can I do a backup to prevent losing all my current settings. Hope to read a response. I am Ibrahim.
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That tool sure sounds interesting. Didn't know it exists but if it is what I think it is then I like the idea a lot.
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Maybe it helps to execute the “Run COM Registration Fixing tool” from the tools menu of the next releases. Regards, Ralf If you didn't have the problem before and if no one else reports such a problem after the update, I suspect there might be a defect in the update. I don't have the technical knowledge to say if that technically might be the case or suggest what to do. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote: First, check to see that the preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this. Try holding control when moving through the files list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both keys. I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement significantly. You may find that movement is speeded up on your other machine as well. Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Maybe it helps to execute the “Run COM Registration Fixing tool” from the tools menu of the next releases. Regards, Ralf
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2018 12:38 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? If you didn't have the problem before and if no one else reports such a problem after the update, I suspect there might be a defect in the update. I don't have the technical knowledge to say if that technically might be the case or suggest what to do. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..." On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote: First, check to see that the preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this. Try holding control when moving through the files list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both keys. I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement significantly. You may find that movement is speeded up on your other machine as well. Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback? Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Re: Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Ok, for now, I literally just uninstalled any unnecessary
software, did a completely clean install of NVDA itself - 2018.1.1
- first wiping out any %appData% settings, and running through
CCleaner's registry and file system cleanup processes, and, does
seem somewhat/slightly better, but, let's see.
Another thing was thinking about is that maybe running classic
shell is no longer something I should stick to doing, but, will
first give it a bit of a go, and see how the operating system
cooperates, since thought that one just affected start menu and/or
the desktop, and not really the file explorer interface, but,
let's see.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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On 5/9/2018 12:38 PM, Gene wrote:
If you didn't have the problem
before and if no one else reports such a problem after the
update, I suspect there might be a defect in the update. I
don't have the technical knowledge to say if that technically
might be the case or suggest what to do.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators
file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing
timely feedback?
Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings
- and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem
to make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of
reading out file names to me.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote:
First, check to see that the
preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not
sure just how you would do this. Someone else should be
able to tell you. If it already is or if turning it off
doesn't solve the problem, try this.
Try holding control when moving
through the files list and see if that makes moving fast.
When you get to the file you want to select, press the space
bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a
file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with
control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be
easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the
first item, it will be the only item selected until you
unselected it with control space, as I described. hold
control before moving, move to the file you want, then press
the space bar while still holding control, then releasing
both keys.
I'm not sure what is causing
the slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding
control while moving speeds up movement significantly.
You may find that movement is
speeded up on your other machine as well.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file
explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely
feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit
versions of
latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary
work
machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard
500Gb
hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC,
also with
8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's
operating
system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc
seems to
work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows
10 app
essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely
sluggish at
times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows
own
file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I
arrow
around, even allowing me to request read current line output -
just says
nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the
NVDA
next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am
currently
running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other
environments, and,
if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like
free
commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I
would prefer
to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary
difference is
that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better
performance in
terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my
primary
work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software
development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the
moment in
terms of additional software packages installed, has been
running on the
current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to
spring
creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a
clean
installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc.,
etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I
could, or
should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file
browsing
like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most
likely just
need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10
spring
creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off
things
like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only,
etc.,
etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Re: Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
If you didn't have the problem before and if no one
else reports such a problem after the update, I suspect there might be a defect
in the update. I don't have the technical knowledge to say if that
technically might be the case or suggest what to do.
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer
extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings - and, holding
in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to make much of a difference in
reaction time in terms of reading out file names to me.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype:
BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is
versatile..."
On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote:
First, check to see that the preview pane is
off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do
this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or
if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this.
Try holding control when moving through the files
list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you
want to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list
before, or selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving
with control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to
press home, then do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the
only item selected until you unselected it with control space, as I
described. hold control before moving, move to the file you want, then
press the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both
keys.
I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement
but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement
significantly.
You may find that movement is speeded up on your
other machine as well.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely
unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit
versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my
primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a
standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop
PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's
operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is
that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA
2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the
lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying
to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out
file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read
current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and
I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot -
that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a
difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other
environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file
browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to,
but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if
possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary
difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better
performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since
it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web
application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered
at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been
running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to
spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a
clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc.,
etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I
could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file
browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most
likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10
spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in
file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have
switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but
anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype:
BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is
versatile..."
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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi Rich It sounds like you are opening the Bookmarks Manager which doesn’t have first letter navigation. I organise my bookmarks into folders and use the bookmarks toolbar. This gives me a horizontal bar, accessible using f6, with buttons for each of my 5 folders. I tab to the folder I want, press spacebar to open the sub-menu, then use arrow keys to navigate the bookmarks. First letter navigation also works within these folders. Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: 9 May 2018 00:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Re: Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Already turned off preview pane - under advanced view settings -
and, holding in ctrl key while using arrow keys doesn't seem to
make much of a difference in reaction time in terms of reading out
file names to me.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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On 5/9/2018 10:35 AM, Gene wrote:
First, check to see that the
preview pane is off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure
just how you would do this. Someone else should be able to
tell you. If it already is or if turning it off doesn't solve
the problem, try this.
Try holding control when moving
through the files list and see if that makes moving fast.
When you get to the file you want to select, press the space
bar. If you have moved in the list before, or selected a file
in some other way, unselect the file before moving with
control space if you are on the file. Or it may just be
easier to press home, then do control space to unselect the
first item, it will be the only item selected until you
unselected it with control space, as I described. hold
control before moving, move to the file you want, then press
the space bar while still holding control, then releasing both
keys.
I'm not sure what is causing the
slow movement but on my Windows 7 machine, holding control
while moving speeds up movement significantly.
You may find that movement is
speeded up on your other machine as well.
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file
explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely
feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit
versions of
latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary
work
machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard
500Gb
hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also
with
8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's
operating
system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc
seems to
work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10
app
essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely
sluggish at
times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows
own
file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow
around, even allowing me to request read current line output -
just says
nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the
NVDA
next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am
currently
running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments,
and,
if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free
commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would
prefer
to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary
difference is
that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better
performance in
terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my
primary
work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software
development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment
in
terms of additional software packages installed, has been running
on the
current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring
creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a
clean
installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could,
or
should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file
browsing
like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely
just
need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10
spring
creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off
things
like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only,
etc.,
etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Re: Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
First, check to see that the preview pane is
off. I don't have Windows 10 and I'm not sure just how you would do
this. Someone else should be able to tell you. If it already is or
if turning it off doesn't solve the problem, try this.
Try holding control when moving through the files
list and see if that makes moving fast. When you get to the file you want
to select, press the space bar. If you have moved in the list before, or
selected a file in some other way, unselect the file before moving with control
space if you are on the file. Or it may just be easier to press home, then
do control space to unselect the first item, it will be the only item selected
until you unselected it with control space, as I described. hold control
before moving, move to the file you want, then press the space bar while still
holding control, then releasing both keys.
I'm not sure what is causing the slow movement but
on my Windows 7 machine, holding control while moving speeds up movement
significantly.
You may find that movement is speeded up on your
other machine as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 3:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely
unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit
versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary
work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb
hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with
8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating
system drive. The reason I am posting this here is that while the
desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest
windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely
sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows
own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow
around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says
nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA
next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently
running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. This
machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire
up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then
it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard
file explorer if possible. Anyway, in terms of these two machines,
the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have
higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state
drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web
application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at
the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been
running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to
spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean
installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc.,
etc. In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I
could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file
browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely
just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring
creators update on it's own? And, yes, for example, in file
explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched
it over to list view only, etc., etc., but
anyway. TIA Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype:
BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is
versatile..."
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Re: Unable to update the latest version "NVDA next".
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When was this file actually made?IE is it during the update, or not. I cannot see much here, but very suspicious of all the add ons I've never heard of, and not really sure what the synth is. If you are having issues, I'd be very tempted to disable all add ons and make Espeakng the default synth and then try it again. Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ângelo Abrantes" <ampa4374@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 6:47 PM Subject: [nvda] Unable to update the latest version "NVDA next". Here's my .log file:
NVDA version next-15103,1df70fee INFO - core.main (18:32:06.407): Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main (18:32:06.407): Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017, 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (18:32:06.407): Using comtypes version 1.1.3 DEBUG - core.main (18:32:06.476): Initializing add-ons system DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationsDictionary DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.486): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\applicationsDictionary\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Found add-on applicationsDictionary DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\AudioThemes3D DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Found add-on AudioThemes3D DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Disabling add-on AudioThemes3D DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Biblos DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Found add-on Biblos DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Disabling add-on Biblos DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Calibre DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Found add-on Calibre DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.486): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Found add-on clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Disabling add-on clipspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.486): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clock DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.486): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clock\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Found add-on clock DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\controlUsageAssistant DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.496): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\controlUsageAssistant\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Found add-on controlUsageAssistant DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Disabling add-on controlUsageAssistant DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Cuckoo DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Found add-on Cuckoo DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Found add-on Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Favorites folders DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.496): Found add-on Favorites folders DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Disabling add-on Favorites folders DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Games(Guess funcional) DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.506): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Games(Guess funcional)\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Found add-on vocalizer_expressive_driver DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.506): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Found add-on goldenCursor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.506): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Found add-on goldwave DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\IndentNav DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.506): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\IndentNav\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Found add-on IndentNav DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\indentone DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Found add-on indentone DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Disabling add-on indentone DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.506): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\instantTranslate DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on instantTranslate DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Disabling add-on instantTranslate DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\KeyboardShortcuts DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.516): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\KeyboardShortcuts\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on KeyboardShortcuts DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Disabling add-on KeyboardShortcuts DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\MouseGuide DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on MouseGuide DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Disabling add-on MouseGuide DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.516): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Mozilla\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on Mozilla DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.516): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\mp3DirectCut\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on mp3DirectCut DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NotepadPlusPlus DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.516): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NotepadPlusPlus\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Found add-on NotepadPlusPlus DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.516): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\nvdastore DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Found add-on nvdastore DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Disabling add-on nvdastore DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\objLocTones DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Found add-on objLocTones DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Disabling add-on objLocTones DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\objPad DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Found add-on objPad DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Disabling add-on objPad DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pcKbBrl DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Found add-on pcKbBrl DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Disabling add-on pcKbBrl DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.536): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\poeditMadeEasy DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.536): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\poeditMadeEasy\locale\en\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.546): Found add-on poeditMadeEasy DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.546): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\readFeeds DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.546): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\readFeeds\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.566): Found add-on readFeeds DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.566): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.607): Found add-on remote DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.607): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\ren_Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Found add-on Eloquence DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.627): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Found add-on resourceMonitor DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Sapi 5 and mobile DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Found add-on Sapi 5 and mobile DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\SentenceNav DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.627): Found add-on SentenceNav DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Softvoice DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Found add-on Softvoice DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Disabling add-on Softvoice DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speakPasswords DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Found add-on speakPasswords DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Disabling add-on speechPlayerInEspeak DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.637): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Found add-on systrayList DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.637): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\TeamTalk DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Found add-on TeamTalk DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\textInformation DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Found add-on textInformation DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\thunderBird DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Found add-on thunderBird DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Disabling add-on thunderBird DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\toneMaster DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Found add-on toneMaster DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Disabling add-on toneMaster DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\useSharedComputers DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Found add-on useSharedComputers DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.647): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Found add-on virtualRevision DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-joana PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.657): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-joana PremiumHigh\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive-voice-joana PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Disabling add-on vocalizer-expressive-voice-joana PremiumHigh DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-monica Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.657): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive-voice-monica Premium High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive-voice-monica Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.657): Disabling add-on vocalizer-expressive-voice-monica Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Embeded High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Embeded High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Embeded High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Premium High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana embeded Pro DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana embeded Pro\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana embeded Pro DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana Premium High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Embeded High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Embeded High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Embeded High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Premium High\locale\pt\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Premium High DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer_expressive_driver DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\vocalizer_expressive_driver\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on vocalizer_expressive_driver DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:06.667): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on Weather Plus DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\winWizard DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Found add-on winWizard DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.667): Disabling add-on winWizard DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.677): Loading add-on from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\zararadio DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.677): Found add-on zararadio DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:32:06.677): Disabling add-on zararadio DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (18:32:06.836): Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main (18:32:06.967): Initializing appModule Handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.967): Addon Calibre added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon Mozilla added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon mp3DirectCut added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon NotepadPlusPlus added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon poeditMadeEasy added to appModules package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:06.976): Addon TeamTalk added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main (18:32:06.976): Initializing NVDAHelper DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.246): Speech Dictionary processing DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.246): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.266): 45 loaded records. DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.266): Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.266): 3 loaded records. DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.266): Initializing speech DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:07.266): Addon Eloquence added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:07.266): Addon Eloquence added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:07.266): Addon Sapi 5 and mobile added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:07.266): Addon vocalizer_expressive_driver added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.eloquence.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:32:07.816): Using Eloquence version 6.1.0.0 DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.826): Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1\eloquence\eloquence-Brazilian Portuguese.dic'... DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:32:07.857): 130 loaded records. INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:32:07.857): Loaded synthDriver eloquence DEBUGWARNING - core.main (18:32:07.857): Slow starting core (5.46 sec) IO - speech.speak (18:32:07.857): Speaking [u'A carregar o NVDA. Por favor aguarde...'] INFO - core.main (18:32:07.877): Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.877): Initializing braille input INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:32:07.877): Braille input initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.877): Initializing braille INFO - braille.initialize (18:32:07.887): Using liblouis version 3.5.0 INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:32:07.887): Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells. DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.887): Initializing displayModel DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.907): Initializing GUI DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.937): initializing Java Access Bridge support WARNING - core.main (18:32:07.937): Java Access Bridge not available DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.937): Initializing winConsole support DEBUG - core.main (18:32:07.937): Initializing UIA support INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:32:07.937): UIAutomation: IUIAutomation DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.086): Initializing IAccessible support DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.086): Initializing input core DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.086): Initializing keyboard handler DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.086): initializing mouse handler DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.107): Initializing touchHandler DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.touchSupported (18:32:08.107): Touch only supported on Windows 8 and higher DEBUG - core.main (18:32:08.107): Initializing global plugin handler DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.107): Addon applicationsDictionary added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.107): Addon clock added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon Cuckoo added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon vocalizer_expressive_driver added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon IndentNav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon mp3DirectCut added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon poeditMadeEasy added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon readFeeds added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon remote added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon SentenceNav added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon speakPasswords added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon textInformation added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon useSharedComputers added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon vocalizer_expressive_driver added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:32:08.117): Addon Weather Plus added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:08.867): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive2.storage._loadLicenseData (18:32:08.996): Loading license data from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\vocalizer-for-nvda\activation.dat DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive2._vocalizer.preInitialize (18:32:09.117): installed voice add-ons: [u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Embeded High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Premium High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana embeded Pro', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana Premium High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Embeded High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Premium High'] DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.vocalizer_expressive_globalPlugin.LicenseRenewer.__init__ (18:32:09.207): License renewal starting in 0 INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.256): Level Speakers at Startup: 100 Percent INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.256): Speakers at Startup: Unmuted INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.306): Speakers after correction: 100 Percent, Unmuted INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.306): Level Speakers at Startup: 100 Percent INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.306): Speakers at Startup: Unmuted INFO - external:globalPlugins.useSharedComputers.GlobalPlugin.changeVolumeLevel (18:32:09.357): Speakers after correction: 100 Percent, Unmuted DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:09.397): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\systrayList\locale\pt_PT\manifest.ini DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.__init__ (18:32:09.627): Using manifest translation from C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\poeditMadeEasy\locale\en\manifest.ini DEBUG - core.main (18:32:09.726): Initializing core pump DEBUG - core.main (18:32:09.726): Initializing watchdog DEBUG - core.main (18:32:09.726): initializing updateCheck INFO - core.main (18:32:09.726): NVDA initialized DEBUG - core.main (18:32:09.726): entering wx application main loop DEBUG - external:synthDrivers.vocalizer_expressive2._vocalizer.preInitialize (18:32:09.736): installed voice add-ons: [u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Embeded High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-catarina Premium High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana embeded Pro', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joana Premium High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Embeded High', u'vocalizer-expressive2-voice-joaquim Premium High'] DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.vocalizer_expressive_globalPlugin.LicenseRenewer._renew (18:32:09.776): Renewal data not available, checking later. IO - speech.speak (18:32:09.786): Speaking [u'Barra de tarefas'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:10.617): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:11.766): Input: kb(desktop):windows+m IO - speech.speak (18:32:11.826): Speaking [u'FolderView lista'] IO - speech.speak (18:32:11.826): Speaking [u'aggregator.exe - Atalho 33 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:12.657): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:12.707): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:13.127): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:13.157): Speaking [u'aggregator.exe - Atalho 33 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:13.387): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:13.417): Speaking [u'Skype 26 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:14.026): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:14.516): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:14.546): Speaking [u'aggregator.exe - Atalho 33 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:14.736): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:14.756): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:14.986): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:15.006): Speaking [u'BalabolkaPortable.exe - Atalho 37 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:15.526): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:15.556): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:15.776): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:15.806): Speaking [u'aggregator.exe - Atalho 33 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:16.066): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:16.086): Speaking [u'Skype 26 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:17.096): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:17.528): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:17.558): Speaking [u'aggregator.exe - Atalho 33 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:17.917): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:17.947): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:20.157): Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+n IO - speech.speak (18:32:20.207): Speaking [u'NVDA menu'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:20.907): Input: kb(desktop):a IO - speech.speak (18:32:20.937): Speaking [u'Manual do Utilizador m'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:21.838): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:21.858): Speaking [u'Enhancement on poedit Access. 3.1 e'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:23.717): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:23.737): Speaking [u'Manual do Utilizador m'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:24.098): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:24.118): Speaking [u'Enhancement on poedit Access. 3.1 e'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:25.088): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:25.098): Speaking [u'Acerca... a'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:25.997): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:26.017): Speaking [u'Verificar actualiza\xe7\xe3o... v'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:27.157): Input: kb(desktop):enter IO - speech.speak (18:32:27.318): Speaking [u'Skype\u2122\u200e [40] - angeloabrantes'] DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (18:32:27.828): Trying to recover from freeze, core stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 212, in <module> File "core.pyc", line 473, in main File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop File "core.pyc", line 443, in Notify File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 894, in pumpAll File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 38, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:32:27.888): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 393758, objectID 100728835 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - speech.speak (18:32:28.257): Speaking [u'A verificar a Actualiza\xe7\xe3o Janela A verificar a actualiza\xe7\xe3o'] IO - tones.beep (18:32:28.267): Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - tones.beep (18:32:28.477): Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - tones.beep (18:32:28.917): Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO - speech.speak (18:32:29.007): Speaking [u'Actualiza\xe7\xe3o do NVDA Janela Est\xe1 dispon\xedvel a vers\xe3o next-15112,b3009bfe do NVDA.'] IO - speech.speak (18:32:29.017): Speaking [u'Transferir actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+t'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:39.198): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:39.219): Speaking [u'Fechar bot\xe3o Alt+f'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:39.948): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:39.969): Speaking [u'Transferir actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+t'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:46.109): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:46.130): Speaking [u'Fechar bot\xe3o Alt+f'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:46.819): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:46.849): Speaking [u'Transferir actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+t'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:56.321): Input: kb(desktop):enter IO - speech.speak (18:32:56.411): Speaking [u'Por favor Efectue um Donativo Janela Precisamos da sua colabora\xe7\xe3o para continuar a melhorar o NVDA.\nEste projecto baseia-se principalmente em donativos e subc\xeddios. Ao efectuar um donativo, est\xe1 a ajudar a financiar o desenvolvimento a tempo integral do NVDA.\nSe colaborar nem que seja com 10 euros por cada transfer\xeancia, o montante obtido ser\xe1 capaz de cobrir todas as despesas actuais do projecto.\nTodos os donativos s\xe3o recebidos pela NV Access, a Institui\xe7\xe3o sem fins lucrativos que desenvolve o NVDA.\nObrigado pela sua colabora\xe7\xe3o.'] IO - speech.speak (18:32:56.421): Speaking [u'Doar bot\xe3o Alt+d'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:57.470): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:32:57.490): Speaking [u'Agora n\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+a'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:32:58.151): Input: kb(desktop):enter DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (18:32:58.180): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorrecto.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) IO - speech.speak (18:32:58.311): Speaking [u'A Transferir a Actualiza\xe7\xe3o Janela A Ligar'] IO - speech.speak (18:32:58.311): Speaking [u'Cancelar bot\xe3o'] DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.040): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 1 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.040): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 2 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.051): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 3 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.051): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 4 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.061): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 5 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.061): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 6 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.240): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 7 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.240): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 8 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.240): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 9 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.250): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 10 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.440): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 11 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 12 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 13 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 14 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 15 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 16 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 17 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.661): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 18 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.851): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 19 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.851): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 20 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.851): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 21 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:00.861): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 22 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 23 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 24 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 25 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 26 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 27 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 28 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:01.081): Beep at pitch 113.092520932, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.270): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 29 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.280): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 30 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:01.280): Beep at pitch 116.271984462, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.280): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 31 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.280): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 32 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.290): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 33 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.290): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 34 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 35 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 36 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.460): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 37 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:01.460): Beep at pitch 119.540834878, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.470): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 38 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.671): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 39 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.671): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 40 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.671): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 41 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:01.671): Beep at pitch 122.901585188, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.680): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 42 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.871): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 43 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 44 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:01.881): Beep at pitch 126.35681905, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 45 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:01.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 46 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.071): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 47 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.071): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 48 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.071): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 49 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 50 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:02.081): Beep at pitch 129.909192757, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 51 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 52 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 53 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 54 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 55 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 56 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:02.301): Beep at pitch 133.561437283, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.480): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 57 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.480): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 58 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:02.490): Beep at pitch 145.145870185, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.490): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 59 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.490): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 60 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.690): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 61 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.690): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 62 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:02.690): Beep at pitch 149.226476019, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.700): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 63 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.700): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 64 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 65 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 66 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 67 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:02.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 68 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:02.891): Beep at pitch 153.421803299, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 69 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 70 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.081): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 71 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:03.091): Beep at pitch 157.735077282, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.091): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 72 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.301): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 73 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.311): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 74 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:03.311): Beep at pitch 162.169613902, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.321): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 75 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.321): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 76 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.321): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 77 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.321): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 78 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.490): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 79 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.500): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 80 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:03.500): Beep at pitch 176.23537307, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.500): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 81 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.500): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 82 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.690): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 83 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.690): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 84 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.690): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 85 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.700): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 86 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:03.700): Beep at pitch 181.190023799, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 87 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 88 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 89 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:03.911): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 90 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.101): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 91 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 92 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:04.111): Beep at pitch 186.28396872, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 93 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 94 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.121): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 95 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.121): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 96 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.311): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 97 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.311): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 98 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.311): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 99 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:04.311): Beep at pitch 191.521123925, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.321): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 100 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.502): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 101 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.502): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 102 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.502): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 103 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.512): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 104 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:04.512): Beep at pitch 202.441283137, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.701): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 105 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.701): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 106 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.701): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 107 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:04.711): Beep at pitch 208.13268228, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.721): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 108 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.911): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 109 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.911): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 110 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:04.911): Beep at pitch 220.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.921): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 111 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:04.921): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 112 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 113 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 114 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 115 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 116 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.111): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 117 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.121): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 118 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:05.121): Beep at pitch 226.185041864, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.322): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 119 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.322): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 120 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.322): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 121 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.322): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 122 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:05.322): Beep at pitch 232.543968924, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.522): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 123 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.532): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 124 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:05.532): Beep at pitch 245.803170376, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.542): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 125 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.542): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 126 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.721): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 127 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.732): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 128 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:05.732): Beep at pitch 252.713638099, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.742): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 129 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.742): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 130 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 131 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 132 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 133 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:05.931): Beep at pitch 259.818385514, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:05.941): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 134 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.131): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 135 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.131): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 136 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.131): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 137 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.131): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 138 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:06.131): Beep at pitch 274.632720758, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.141): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 139 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.141): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 140 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.342): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 141 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.342): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 142 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:06.342): Beep at pitch 282.353697464, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.351): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 143 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.351): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 144 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.532): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 145 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.532): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 146 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.532): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 147 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:06.542): Beep at pitch 290.29174037, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.552): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 148 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.742): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 149 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.742): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 150 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.742): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 151 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:06.742): Beep at pitch 306.843606597, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.752): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 152 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 153 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 154 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.931): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 155 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:06.951): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 156 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.141): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 157 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.151): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 158 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:07.151): Beep at pitch 315.470154563, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.161): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 159 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.161): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 160 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.361): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 161 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.361): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 162 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.361): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 163 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:07.361): Beep at pitch 324.339227804, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.371): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 164 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.371): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 165 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.371): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 166 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.552): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 167 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.552): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 168 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.552): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 169 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:07.552): Beep at pitch 342.832415051, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.562): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 170 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.752): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 171 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 172 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:07.762): Beep at pitch 352.470746139, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 173 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 174 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 175 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 176 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 177 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:07.971): Beep at pitch 372.56793744, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:07.971): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 178 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.161): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 179 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.161): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 180 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.171): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 181 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:08.171): Beep at pitch 383.04224785, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.181): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 182 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.181): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 183 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.181): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 184 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.361): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 185 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.371): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 186 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:08.371): Beep at pitch 393.811031208, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.381): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 187 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.381): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 188 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.572): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 189 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.572): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 190 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.572): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 191 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.572): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 192 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:08.572): Beep at pitch 404.882566275, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 193 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 194 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.762): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 195 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.772): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 196 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:08.772): Beep at pitch 427.968176861, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 197 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 198 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.961): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 199 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:08.971): Beep at pitch 452.370083729, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:08.971): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 200 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.181): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 201 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.181): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 202 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:09.181): Beep at pitch 465.087937847, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 203 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 204 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 205 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.201): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 206 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.381): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 207 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.381): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 208 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:09.381): Beep at pitch 478.163339511, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.391): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 209 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.391): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 210 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.582): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 211 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.582): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 212 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.582): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 213 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:09.582): Beep at pitch 491.606340752, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.592): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 214 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.792): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 215 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.792): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 216 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.792): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 217 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.792): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 218 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:09.792): Beep at pitch 505.427276199, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.982): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 219 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:09.992): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 220 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:09.992): Beep at pitch 519.636771029, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.002): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 221 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.002): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 222 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 223 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 224 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.191): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 225 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:10.201): Beep at pitch 549.265441517, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.201): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 226 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.201): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 227 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.201): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 228 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.381): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 229 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.391): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 230 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.391): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 231 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.391): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 232 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:10.391): Beep at pitch 564.707394928, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.592): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 233 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.601): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 234 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:10.601): Beep at pitch 580.58348074, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.611): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 235 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.611): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 236 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.792): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 237 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.802): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 238 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:10.802): Beep at pitch 596.905904077, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.802): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 239 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:10.812): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 240 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.002): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 241 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.002): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 242 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.002): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 243 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:11.002): Beep at pitch 613.687213194, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.012): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 244 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 245 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 246 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 247 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 248 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 249 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.211): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 250 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:11.221): Beep at pitch 630.940309127, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.401): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 251 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.401): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 252 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:11.401): Beep at pitch 685.664830101, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.411): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 253 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.411): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 254 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.601): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 255 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.601): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 256 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.601): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 257 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:11.611): Beep at pitch 704.941492279, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.611): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 258 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.812): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 259 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.812): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 260 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.812): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 261 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:11.812): Beep at pitch 724.760095195, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:11.822): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 262 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.012): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 263 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.022): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 264 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:12.022): Beep at pitch 745.135874879, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.022): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 265 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.022): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 266 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.221): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 267 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.221): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 268 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:12.221): Beep at pitch 766.084495701, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 269 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 270 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 271 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 272 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.411): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 273 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.411): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 274 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.411): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 275 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:12.411): Beep at pitch 832.530729119, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.421): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 276 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.621): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 277 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.621): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 278 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.621): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 279 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:12.621): Beep at pitch 855.936353723, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.631): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 280 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.812): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 281 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.822): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 282 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.832): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 283 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:12.832): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 284 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.032): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 285 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.032): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 286 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.032): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 287 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.032): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 288 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:13.042): Beep at pitch 880.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 289 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 290 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.232): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 291 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:13.242): Beep at pitch 904.740167457, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.252): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 292 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.252): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 293 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.252): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 294 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.431): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 295 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.431): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 296 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:13.441): Beep at pitch 930.175875694, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.441): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 297 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.441): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 298 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.631): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 299 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.641): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 300 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:13.641): Beep at pitch 1010.8545524, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.641): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 301 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.641): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 302 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.832): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 303 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.832): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 304 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.832): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 305 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:13.842): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 306 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:13.842): Beep at pitch 1039.27354206, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.042): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 307 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.042): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 308 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.042): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 309 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:14.042): Beep at pitch 1068.49149827, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.062): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 310 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.252): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 311 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.262): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 312 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:14.262): Beep at pitch 1098.53088303, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 313 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 314 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 315 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 316 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 317 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 318 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:14.451): Beep at pitch 1129.41478986, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 319 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 320 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 321 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 322 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.651): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 323 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:14.661): Beep at pitch 1161.16696148, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.661): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 324 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.842): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 325 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.851): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 326 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.851): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 327 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:14.851): Beep at pitch 1261.88061825, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:14.861): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 328 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.062): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 329 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.062): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 330 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:15.062): Beep at pitch 1297.35691122, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 331 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 332 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 333 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 334 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.262): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 335 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.262): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 336 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.262): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 337 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:15.262): Beep at pitch 1333.83057853, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 338 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 339 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 340 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.451): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 341 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.461): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 342 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:15.461): Beep at pitch 1371.3296602, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.661): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 343 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.671): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 344 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:15.671): Beep at pitch 1409.88298456, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.681): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 345 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.681): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 346 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.861): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 347 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.861): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 348 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:15.861): Beep at pitch 1449.52019039, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.871): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 349 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:15.871): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 350 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 351 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 352 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.072): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 353 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:16.082): Beep at pitch 1532.1689914, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.082): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 354 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.092): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 355 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.092): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 356 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 357 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 358 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.272): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 359 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:16.272): Beep at pitch 1575.24412483, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.282): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 360 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.471): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 361 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.471): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 362 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:16.471): Beep at pitch 1619.5302651, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.482): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 363 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.482): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 364 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.681): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 365 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.681): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 366 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.681): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 367 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:16.681): Beep at pitch 1665.06145824, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.691): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 368 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 369 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 370 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.881): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 371 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - tones.beep (18:33:16.881): Beep at pitch 1711.87270745, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:16.891): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 197848, objectID 372 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (18:33:17.062): oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 131588, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:33:18.052): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:33:18.102): Speaking [u'Actualiza\xe7\xe3o do NVDA Janela A vers\xe3o next-15112,b3009bfe do NVDA est\xe1 pronta a instalar.\n'] IO - speech.speak (18:33:18.102): Speaking [u'Adiar actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+a'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:33:18.973): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:33:19.003): Speaking [u'Instalar actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+i'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:33:19.993): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:33:20.013): Speaking [u'Adiar actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+a'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:33:20.923): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:33:20.953): Speaking [u'Instalar actualiza\xe7\xe3o bot\xe3o Alt+i'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:33:22.352): Input: kb(desktop):enter DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1648 (dwm.exe) (18:33:38.351): Thread 6096, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 66: SetWindowsHookEx with WH_GETMESSAGE failed, GetLastError returned 5
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 1648 (dwm.exe) (18:33:38.352): Thread 6096, build\x86_64\remote\injection.cpp, inproc_winEventCallback, 69: SetWindowsHookEx with WH_CALLWNDPROC failed, GetLastError returned 5
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (18:34:11.562): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorrecto.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (18:34:11.582): accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorrecto.', (None, None, None, 0, None)) DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (18:34:11.592): application nvda_update_sleahj closed IO - speech.speak (18:34:11.592): Speaking [u'Skype\u2122\u200e [40] - angeloabrantes'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:15.582): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:16.052): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:17.872): Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab IO - speech.speak (18:34:17.923): Speaking [u'Ambiente de trabalho \xedcone 2 de 2'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:17.933): Speaking [u'Ambiente de trabalho \xedcone 2 de 2'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:18.233): Speaking [u'FolderView lista'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:18.233): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:18.443): Speaking [u'anexos_wlm_v1.2 - Atalho 34 de 90'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:19.362): Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab IO - speech.speak (18:34:19.433): Speaking [u'Skype\u2122\u200e [40] - angeloabrantes \xedcone 1 de 2'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:19.443): Speaking [u'Skype\u2122\u200e [40] - angeloabrantes \xedcone 1 de 2'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:20.082): Speaking [u'Skype\u2122\u200e [40] - angeloabrantes'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:20.122): Speaking [u'Contactos lista'] IO - speech.speak (18:34:20.122): Speaking [u'V\xedtor Oliveira - CT1AFS, vitor-oliveira, Ausente n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:20.802): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:34:20.822): Speaking [u'Wendrill Aksenow Brand\xe3o, live:wendrillaksenow, Online n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:21.493): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:34:21.513): Speaking [u'V\xedtor Oliveira - CT1AFS, vitor-oliveira, Ausente n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:48.815): Input: kb(desktop):shift+f1 IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:51.966): Input: kb(desktop):control+f1 IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:53.055): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:34:53.085): Speaking [u'Vitor Cristina, vitor.cristina, Ausente n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:53.555): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:34:53.585): Speaking [u'V\xedtor Oliveira - CT1AFS, vitor-oliveira, Ausente n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:34:58.065): Input: kb(desktop):shift+unknown_3b IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:35:00.645): Input: kb(desktop):downArrow IO - speech.speak (18:35:00.665): Speaking [u'Wendrill Aksenow Brand\xe3o, live:wendrillaksenow, Online n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:35:00.976): Input: kb(desktop):upArrow IO - speech.speak (18:35:00.996): Speaking [u'V\xedtor Oliveira - CT1AFS, vitor-oliveira, Ausente n\xe3o seleccionado'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:35:02.086): Input: kb(desktop):control+f1 IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:35:03.276): Input: kb(desktop):shift+f1 IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (18:35:06.076): Input: kb(desktop):alt+control+n IO - speech.speak (18:35:06.127): Speaking [u'Barra de tarefas'] DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 4636 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:35:06.197): Python warning: C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\configobj.py:28: DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python 3.x. INFO - core.main (18:35:06.357): Exiting DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.357): Terminating updateCheck DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.357): Terminating watchdog DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.357): Terminating global plugin handler ERROR - globalPluginHandler.terminate (18:35:06.357): Error terminating global plugin <globalPlugins.Games.GlobalPlugin object at 0x05D80090> Traceback (most recent call last): File "globalPluginHandler.pyc", line 40, in terminate File "C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Games(Guess funcional)\globalPlugins\Games\__init__.py", line 52, in terminate AttributeError: 'GlobalPlugin' object has no attribute '_running' DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.367): Terminating gui DEBUG - fileUtils.FaultTolerantFile (18:35:06.377): C:\Users\Angelo\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.iniyb_p7v.tmp INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (18:35:06.397): Base configuration saved DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.397): Terminating treeInterceptorHandler DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.397): Terminating IAccessible support DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.397): Terminating UIA support DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.546): Terminating winConsole support DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.546): Terminating Java Access Bridge support DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.546): Terminating app module handler DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.546): Terminating NVDAHelper DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating touchHandler DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating keyboard handler DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating mouseHandler DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating inputCore DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating brailleInput DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating braille DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating speech DEBUG - core._terminate (18:35:06.556): Terminating addonHandler DEBUG - core.main (18:35:07.617): core done INFO - __main__ (18:35:07.647): NVDA exit
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Windows 10 spring creators file explorer extremely unresponsive, or not providing timely feedback?
Firstly, I have two separate machines, both running 64 bit versions of latest windows 10 spring creators update, and, while my primary work machine is a lenovo w52 laptop, with 8Gb of RAM, and a standard 500Gb hard disk drive, my other, secondary machine is a desktop PC, also with 8Gb of RAM, but, it has a 275Gb solid state drive as it's operating system drive.
The reason I am posting this here is that while the desktop Pc seems to work pretty responsively with NVDA 2018.1.1, and latest windows 10 app essentials add-on installed, the lenovo laptop is extremely sluggish at times when it comes to just trying to browse files using windows own file explorer, in terms of reading out file names to me as I arrow around, even allowing me to request read current line output - just says nothing a lot of the time, etc., etc., and I have tried both the NVDA next snapshots, and the NVDA master snapshot - that's what am currently running, but, it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.
This machine seems to work pretty well in all other environments, and, if I fire up something like an alternative file browser, like free commander XE, then it responds just like it used to, but, I would prefer to stick to standard file explorer if possible.
Anyway, in terms of these two machines, the other primary difference is that, while the lenovo laptop should have higher/better performance in terms of hardware, besides the solid state drive, since it's my primary work machine, which I use for forms of web application/software development, it means it's also a bit more cluttered at the moment in terms of additional software packages installed, has been running on the current installation of windows, which was then upgraded to spring creators recently, a lot longer than the desktop, which I did a clean installation of windows 1704 on a couple of months ago, etc., etc.
In any case, does anyone have any suggestions about what I could, or should try out to get the laptop to start responding to file browsing like it did before the spring creators update, or do I most likely just need to in fact do a clean install of a new copy of windows 10 spring creators update on it's own?
And, yes, for example, in file explorer settings, I turned off things like the preview pane, have switched it over to list view only, etc., etc., but anyway.
TIA
Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
I just tried it and I have to say me either. I don’t have a problem opening bookmarks. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver Sent: 09 May 2018 00:56 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Interesting, when I cursor through the bookmarks in Chrome on my system it works and activates the bookmark when I press enter on one of them. I haven't had a problem with this issue at all. Dan Beaver On 5/8/2018 7:45 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Re: I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now
Hi Rich, I don’t even use bookmarks now. Sure, I add them, but if you start typing the name of the web site in the address bar, auto complete will kick in. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: 09 May 2018 00:46 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now I notice Chrome does not have "first letter navigation" for the bookmarks. I had to arrow down until I found the one I wanted. Also, when I press Enter on a bookmark, it does not activate. I had to go into the applications key to activate the option "open in new window". On 5/8/2018 2:43 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: Hi, For the curious, you get to the toolbar by pressing Alt+Shift+T. Focus is placed on the first item, then you can arrow left and right through the toolbars. All the best Steve Sorry about this message, I meant NVDA doesn’t see the toolbar, but neither does JAWS. All the best Steve
Hi, Excellent tutorial. The only thing it doesn’t touch on is how you access the toolbar. Someone installed the High Contrast accessibility extension today and asked me how to enable/disable it, or how to change the colour invertion. According to help, you have to click it from the toolbar, but it seems that JAWS doesn’t see it. Any ideas please? All the best Steve Hi all! No problem at all. I will paste my text tutorial right here in the message so you can all read it here or copy and paste it somewhere on your computer. Here is the tutorial on using Chrome! Tutorial for Using the Google Chrome Browser By David Moore This tutorial will be done with the latest update of Chrome. I will also use JAWS 18, JAWS 2018, and NVDA 2017.4 for this tutorial, because they all work the same in Chrome. Finally, I will use Windows 10 Creators Update latest public build. I will assume that you have downloaded and installed Chrome. There should be a shortcut on your desktop. Section One: Launching Chrome: One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS say Chrome. However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a shortcut icon on your desktop. So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter to open Chrome. The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the Google Chrome icon on your desktop. The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you will get undesirable results. Section Two: Bringing up a web site. Press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the following: www.freedomscientific.com The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly. All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome. Section Three: The Virticle Chrome menu: I will press Alt+F. The Chrome menu is open. This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and down arrow through. I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu. New Tab, CTRL+T. You can press that command right from the web site you are on. New Window, CTRL+N You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming here. New incognito Window. History sub menu. I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu! History, CTRL+H So, there is a key command for reading your history. You can read a few sites you were on right here. I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu. Downloads, CTRL+J There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with Chrome. Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu. I will press right arrow, to open this. I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D That command will bookmark the page you are reading. Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to see. I do not want that. Here is the important one. manage bookmarks The command is, CTRL+Shift+O In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome. On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads, and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up. That is all for manage bookmarks. Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings. press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their corresponding folders. Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down. Very important! Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks. If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these choices. Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one. To save a web site as a bookmark, Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved. I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu! I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we entered by just pressing alt. The next few are very self explanatory. The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu. I will press right arrow on this. I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S. Next, Save to desktop. This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop. This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file menu in IE. It is hidden under this more tools submenu. Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key. Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on. These are the same as add ons, in IE. I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are back to the virticle Chrome menu. The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu. If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help. Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in Brows mode. Section Four: Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings: Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and we will deal with each setting. Important: I have already signed into Chrome. So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter. You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the same email address and password that you used to set up your Google account. I am not sure about this. You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only advantage of signing in. I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in. If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance. Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H. This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the group of settings you want to work with. Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to appearance. The first thing you hear: Settings. That is the very top of the web page. Down arrow, and you hear: Main Menu Button. That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in. If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank. Down arrow, again, and you hear: Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by pressing H at the top of the page. If you down arrow, you hear: Search Settings. This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change. Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the setting you want to work with. Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people. Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable. This is because I have already signed into Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address. Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my settings and all of that. Down arrow again, and I hear: Edit person. This is where I could change my name. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sign Out. This is because I have already signed in to Chrome. Down arrow again, and I hear: Sync. Down arrow again, and I hear: On, Sync everything. This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose everything in this combo box. Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already. Down arrow again, and you hear: Sync button. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people clickable. Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things, but then there is the button you enter on right after that. Down arrow again, and you hear: Manage other people button. This is what you would press enter on to set up another user. Down arrow again, and you hear: Import bookmarks and settings Clickable: Down arrow again, and you actually hear Import bookmarks and settings button. Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from other Browsers like IE. This is another way of doing this, because remember, We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the virticle menu. There is more than one place to do things in Chrome. Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for heading, to get to. Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear: themes, which I did nothing with. Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of extentions, and more. Then, you hear Themes button. Do nothing with this. Next, you hear: Show home clickable. Just skip that. There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button that you actually press enter on to work with it. Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables. Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home. Next, there is the home button toggle. Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the home button show at the top of the Chrome Window. I have it checked. Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a custom web address. Search Heading: We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine. There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing. Next heading: Default Browser. Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser or not. Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser. Next Important heading: On Start up. Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you start Chrome. There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a specific page or pages, which is the third radio button. Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to open when you start Chrome. Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to show when Chrome starts up. Now, we are up to the search engin heading. This is a heading. There are headings on this settings page. I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box. The next heading, is on start up. Finally, here is where you set up your home page. There are three radio buttons here. I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages. Next, I was able to enter: www.Google.Com. That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome. Next important group of settings, the advanced settings. Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more headings of settings will show. The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show more headings of settings. Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of settings. There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings. Privacy and security heading: Down arrow from here, and you hear: Use a web service to resolve navigation errors. You have a clickable, and a toggle. Press spacebar to toggle this on or off. Again, ignore the clickables. Now you have: Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches. I left this unchecked. Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages: I checked this with spacebar. The next three settings I just left alone. I checked the one that says: Use a web service to help with spelling. I leave manage certificates alone. Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading. We are still working with the same heading. The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button. This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this. Now, we get to the next heading of settings. Passwords and forms: Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have Chrome save passwords. Languages Heading: I did nothing with this. Downloads heading: This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on your computer. Printing heading: I did nothing with this. Accessibility heading: I did nothing with this. Now, we have the System heading: Down arrow, and you hear: Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed. I have this unchecked. Next, Use hard ware excelloration when Available. I have this checked. Next, you hear: Open proxy settings button. I left this alone. Last Heading LOL! Reset. Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional. We are done with Settings. Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site. This settings web page, opens in another tab. That is it for settings. Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot see these, unless you press enter to expand these. Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the menu where we were with the settings. You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the settings choice. I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help center to get a lot of help using Chrome. To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL. Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming TV and Watching movies, and so on. For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE. Lastly, All JAWS and NVDA navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example, you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS, and the elements list with NVDA. All of that is the exact same. This is the end of the tutorial. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Monte Single Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 6:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like itmuchmore now Hi David, Please post your tutorial again; especially for those of us who are not always paying attention to all details. Thanks, Monte Hi all! I have been telling people just how great Chrome is for two and a half years. I am so happy that all of you are finding it to be true. If anyone needs my text tutorial I wrote on how to use Chrome, and take you through all settings, I will paste it on the list. I have done this around ten times on all the lists, but you are still finding out for the first time, just how great Chrome is. Just read works great for just reading an article on the page. CTRL+J allows you to hear the status of the downloads. Now, CTRL+Shift+O allows you to open the bookmarks manager, and you can arrange them in different folders and back them up. Chrome is great with Youtube, and streaming media. Chrome is good for a lot other than just simple browsing. Have a great one, and I am celebrating that you are finally getting used to Chrome! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: juan gonzalez Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 5:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it muchmore now I use the add on called sound on for navigational sounds. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 9:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now Would anyone know if Chrome has sounds? one of the annoyances with current firefox is figuring out when downloads are finished or when a page is refreshing itself, ie you normally hear the ticks in the old version due to navigational sounds. Until i find a browser with this function of sound I'm loathe to get a new browser over ff52, but the problem is that I've been reading that some sites now do not support the old versions of Firefox and tell you so when you have things like modal windows whatever they are. On XP to make Firefox perform even reasonably you need to use a version 45, as after this the actual load up times are hugely slowed, my guess is that the code is made for multi processor devices, not single core ones.This is also why on xp you might find that Chrome and firefox are similar in page loading times. Things are no pushing ahead so fast on sites that its not uncommon to see the message you browser is unsupported get this or that then you can come back. To me this is a weird thing for commercial sites to do, as they are, in effect pushing away potential customers, but hey, that is their business. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 10:57 AM Subject: [nvda] I've largely changed my mind about Chrome, I like it much more now I may have sent messages in the past in which I expressed a much stronger liking for Firefox than Chrome. At this point, I've changed my mind and, unless things change over time, as they may as Firefox continues to implement its new internal technical changes, I consider Chrome to be superior for general browsing. I haven't tested it for uses such as streaming or RSS or other uses. I will therefore only address general browsing and the interface. Others may want to comment on other aspects I haven't compared. This is a long message, a bit of a review and a bit of discussion of the interface. I hope those interested in the subject find it useful. If you try Chrome and find it superior for general browsing, you may still not want to use Chrome as your main browser. There are various considerations. I'll explain why I changed my mind and what you may want to consider. You may have other or different considerations as well. The reason I say Chrome is better for general browsing is because it loads pages faster than Firefox. You may want to compare and see if the difference is important to you. There is a very noticeable difference. I hadn't compared Chrome with Firefox for speed on a fast machine. I compared them on a slow machine running XP perhaps six or eight months ago. I had expected that, if Chrome was faster, there would have been a noticeable difference, even though the machine was slow. But there wasn't a difference that amounted to anything. I recently decided to compare on a reasonably fast machine running Windows 7 since many people have said on lists I'm on that Chrome is faster. There is a very noticeable difference in speed on my Windows 7 machine. I don't know what the results would have been on a fast XP machine. I haven't used Chrome much but the increase in speed is the reason I say it's better for general browsing. The Chrome interface is different than Firefox or Internet Explorer. It isn't difficult to learn but it is different. You will likely want a tutorial or some instructional material. If you are good at learning by exploring, you may not want or need such material, at least not to use in depth, but you may benefit in early learning by using material. The main things to know in terms of the differences in the interface are that Chrome shows many things as web pages, such as settings and history and there is one menu, which you can open with alt f, that is, hold alt and press f. Of course, there are submenus and there are also items that open like web pages such as settings. I don't recall if there are classic dialogs that open from the main menu. But if you work with settings, you need to know that the settings interface doesn't work quite properly in the following way: It's a web page-like interface but there some controls that don't work as they should. I tried to activate two buttons today and I couldn't do so in browse mode using NVDA. I don't know what JAWS does. I had to manually go into forms mode, and activate the buttons. I may have had to tab to the button because forms mode may not have been properly calibrated with browse mode in that interface, at least at times. I seem to recall that in another instance, I needed to be in browse mode to activate something but I'd have to experiment more to know if that is the case since I don't have a clear memory of whether that was necessary. There's a very useful settings search feature in settings. One of my main objections to Chrome in the past was that the book marks interface is not nearly as comvenient to work with as Firefox because the search feature in Chrome book marks appears to be inaccessible. I very recently learned from someone on a list I follow that this problem can be more or less eliminated. I say more or less because I haven't played with it much, but enough to see that it works well or reasonably well. I'm hedging because I'd want to play with it more before saying just how well it works. It' appears to work well from the very little testing I've done. If you are in the address bar, you can type some or all of what you want to find such as york times or new york times and you can up and down arrow through results. Some of them will be search results using a search engine but the top results in the list should be from book marks and history. Try reading the current line after typing to see if that contains the first result. I haven't played with the feature more than a little and I'm not sure. But if it works well, this would eliminate what I consider to be an important deficiency. In other words, this feature may make book marks just as easy to use in Chrome as in Firefox. If you use Firefox extensions that you consider important and use them a lot, that may be a consideration in which browser you want to use. and then, there's just convenience of not learning a new interface and continuing to use the familiar Firefox. You, of course, can determine questions like that. It's nice to have pages load a good deal faster, but the importance of speed may vary from user to user. But if you haven't compared with a hands on test, you may wish to. Browsing is either identical or nearly identical between the browsers because they both use browse mode, or the Virtual PC cursor, which is the JAWS name for the same thing. So you can compare by installing Chrome, and then opening and using some web sites. Control l moves you to the address bar, just as in Firefox. I believe when you open Chrome, you are automatically placed on the address bar, but you can check. If you want to make sure, it takes almost no time to execute control l. I hope those who are interested in this subject find these comments useful. If people are curious or dissatisfied with Firefox or another browser, they may want to try Chrome. I haven't used Edge at all so I don't know how Edge compares. Gene
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Re: NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway)

Sarah k Alawami
No I know this, but I think now in the almost 1 year I've had windows 10 I have never done the registry cleaning.. In fact I think under windows 7 I noticed a lot of problems with it at the time.
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On May 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Steve Nutt < steve@...> wrote:
Hi Sarah, Disk Cleanup is not the same as registry cleaning. All the best Steve Use the option built into windows, at least for now. From the run dialogue type then from the run dialogue after hitting ok on that sage run dialogue type and watch hopefully gigs of space be freed.
is there a good alternative to c cleaner that is blind friendly? On 5/7/2018 9:11 AM, Gene wrote: The new version of CCleaner has been discussed on one or two lists I'm on and it has the check box problem you are describing. I believe it is now considered inaccessible because of that problem. One more program that is no longer accessible in a long and growing list. I haven't seen the other problem you discussed but I'm very doubtful user error is involved. It's probably just another aqccessibility problem or a related one. I don't use the program and I don't know enough about it to say which. Whatever the case, it appears that an older version needs to be used. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 9:30 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and CCleaner (free, anyway) Hello All,
I was just trying out NVDA with the latest version of CCleaner free and seem to have encountered an accessibility issue that may be the result of operator error.
The "large buttons" that control which major function you're under can be reached by tabbing or up/down arrowing, and if you hit spacebar on any one of them its control buttons come up. What is odd is that you still end up either tabbing or arrowing past the other major control buttons before you hit the "function control buttons" for the major function you've activated.
I do have problems reaching the individual checkboxes under the Options (major), Monitoring (minor) function. It's odd because when I activate the Monitoring button, and if I have the NVDA Focus Highlight add-on running, there is clearly a quick scan down the list of controls, which are mostly checkboxes, but you cannot seem to come to rest on any of them to access them.
Is there a way to get oneself over into the "checkbox area" (for lack of a better term) of this function in order to be able to deal with the checkboxes. Since mouse tracking is on by default I know that these exist as far as NVDA is concerned as when I hover over them I get appropriate feedback, I just can't seem to reach them via the keyboard, which would be essential.
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