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StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials add-ons: Marlaina Lieberg memorial release #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

StationPlaylist Studio and Windows 10 App Essentials add-on are getting stable version updates. These updates serve as a memorial to Marlaina Lieberg, a long-time member of American Council of the Blind and a champion of guide dog users, who passed away on May 14, 2018.

 

In addition to serving as memorials, these add-on releases contain numerous enhancements and fixes:

 

  • StationPlaylist studio 18.05.1: localization updates.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials 18.05.2: introducing basic support for Sets in Redstone 5 and various workarounds to support redesigned emoji panel in recent Windows Insider Preview builds.

 

Also, for those curious about inner workings of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on, the add-on internals article has been updated:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/w10addoninternals

 

Enjoy, and if you can, please pay tribute to Marlaina Lieberg this weekend and and wish her family well and send condolences. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: github

Christopher Gray
 

Yes, I did mean github, appreciate the correction. I've got a couple things I'd like to share in the Issues section.

Chris



On Fri, 18 May 2018, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Chris,

I think you mean "Github". The source code for NVDA is kept on GitHub, as
well as our issue repository. So, if you want to file a bug, that's the
best place.

If you are looking for issues, you'll find them here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues - there is a search edit where you
can type keywords about your problem. If you can't find an existing issue,
then there is a "New Issue" button (note, you can browse issues without an
account, but you'll need a free account to create issues).

If you want to contribute code or download the source code, you can do that
from GitHub as well, and if you want to go down that track (fantastic, it
would be great to have you on board!) you'll want to browse through the
developer guide:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html and
probably join the developer mailing list as well:
https://sourceforge.net/p/nvda/lists/nvda-devel/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 11:15 PM, Christopher Gray <chris@...>
wrote:

Hi:

Where can I find documentation on NVDA and Gethub?

Thank you.

Chris


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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Gene
 

It may be overheating and rebooting.  Aside from the inconvenience, I don't know if the problem is worth looking into further.  If the computer gets that hot daily, I don't know if it might shorten the life of the computer.  But this may be a sympttom of a problem that should be looked into.  I would suggest running a utility that measures the temperature and checking it during playing of a movie. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

I'm using a Minix Neo Mini PC box running Windows 10 1803. This box sometimes reboots unexpectedly when using the Kodi media center to listen to DV movies, music and radio stations.


So yes, in normal cases you wouldn't have a need to reboot your PC too often. In my particular case it happens on a daily basis. Why I just want to get rid of it completely.


On 5/18/2018 9:07 AM, Gene wrote:
However else you might get rid of the problem, you should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or hibernate or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings.  There hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer, depending on how you use your computer.  You need to shut down sometimes because just using hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the computer running without rebooting for an extended time does.  It results in instability.  But I only reboot when about a week goes by or if instability develops before that.  The way I use my computers it usually doesn't. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 




Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I'm using a Minix Neo Mini PC box running Windows 10 1803. This box sometimes reboots unexpectedly when using the Kodi media center to listen to DV movies, music and radio stations.


So yes, in normal cases you wouldn't have a need to reboot your PC too often. In my particular case it happens on a daily basis. Why I just want to get rid of it completely.


On 5/18/2018 9:07 AM, Gene wrote:
However else you might get rid of the problem, you should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or hibernate or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings.  There hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer, depending on how you use your computer.  You need to shut down sometimes because just using hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the computer running without rebooting for an extended time does.  It results in instability.  But I only reboot when about a week goes by or if instability develops before that.  The way I use my computers it usually doesn't. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 




Re: Question about Web Browsing

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Adding to your point I find myself going back to using Internet Explorer v11 on some shopping and banking sites (Shoprite, The FreshGrocer, Bank of America) for Chrome, FireFox and Edge in conjunction with NVDA just doesn't work well enough.


Guess some webmasters haven't fully updated their pages to the latest HTML 5 standards yet.


On 5/17/2018 2:44 PM, Deborah Armstrong wrote:
This discussion kind of evolved in to talking about browsing with Amazon, but I have some more general ideas. First, do make sure you have IE, Chrome and FireFox and Edge, available and updated, and depending on which pages you visit most often, make the default browser the one that works best with those pages. Be flexible about trying that page with a different browser. Also be sure you keep NVDA updated as well.
Second, remember that sighted people struggle too. My sighted husband was just complaining about Facebook last night; he has to use it for a group he manages. He said he was trying to scroll down to post something on the calendar, and little videos would pop up and play each time he scrolled. It was driving him crazy. He also has issues with the Yahoo groups interface that though not identical to mine are equally tedious and time-wasting.
Third, you can always vote with your fingertips. If I find something difficult to buy on Amazon I use iBOOKS instead of Kindle, Walmart for tangible goods, or even an accessible site like BlindMiceMart. Amazon at least has the dedicated customer service number for disabilities.
Fourth, Make sure you have the JAWS demo, if you need to check something that NVDA is apparently not able to read. I find that NVDA usually reads more than JAWS but every once in a while, something has been scripted for JAWS that makes it possible for JAWS to read it. Also you can use the JAWS touch cursor through the keyboard and that can help locate things.

Fifth: If you have an app like Seeing AI or KNFB Reader, you can get pretty good screen OCR. If you have One-drive you can press Print-Screen and have screen shots saved to your one-drive so you can either try to OCR them or have sighted help look at them for you later.
Sixth: NVDA's object nav works a lot like Cobra, so be sure you practice using it, mostly with applications you are familiar with in the first place.  I find Brailling each keystroke on a separate notecard, so I can flip through a stack of cards, rather than alt-tabbing to a list of keyboard shortcuts to be easier, especially if I'm using object nav and don't want to disturb the screen.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

In your original post you didn’t mention which version of nvda you are running

Although this shouldn’t matter but if you update to nvda v18.1 but if you are running 18.1 then try reinstalling nvda and make sure it completes the install then see what happens at login

 

It may or may not fix the issue

 

Good luck

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 13:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.

 

Really is a pain in the butt!

 

On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: gethub

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris,

I think you mean "Github".  The source code for NVDA is kept on GitHub, as well as our issue repository.  So, if you want to file a bug, that's the best place.

If you are looking for issues, you'll find them here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues - there is a search edit where you can type keywords about your problem.  If you can't find an existing issue, then there is a "New Issue" button (note, you can browse issues without an account, but you'll need a free account to create issues).  

If you want to contribute code or download the source code, you can do that from GitHub as well, and if you want to go down that track (fantastic, it would be great to have you on board!) you'll want to browse through the developer guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html and probably join the developer mailing list as well: https://sourceforge.net/p/nvda/lists/nvda-devel/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 11:15 PM, Christopher Gray <chris@...> wrote:
Hi:

Where can I find documentation on NVDA and Gethub?

Thank you.

Chris


****************************************
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your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help you with this.

----------------------------------------
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Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
St. Louis, MO 63109
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Toll-free: (800) 342-5632
Fax:       (314) 832-7796

Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?
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gethub

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

Where can I find documentation on NVDA and Gethub?

Thank you.

Chris


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Missouri Council of the Blind

5453 Chippewa
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Like Jazz? Want to know more about jazz?
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Gene
 

However else you might get rid of the problem, you should be able to reduce it to almost insignificance by using sleep or hibernate or whatever the Windows 10 equivalents are for these settings.  There hasn't been, since the introduction of Windows XP, any reason to shut down and reboot more than every few days or once a week or even longer, depending on how you use your computer.  You need to shut down sometimes because just using hibernate or sleep does the same thing as leaving the computer running without rebooting for an extended time does.  It results in instability.  But I only reboot when about a week goes by or if instability develops before that.  The way I use my computers it usually doesn't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 



Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Yes, that's exactly the panel. I just want to go directly to the field for entering my pin after startup. I find myself pressing [Escape], [Tab] etc. multiple times just to get rid of that screen and locate the entry field for inputting my pin.


Really is a pain in the butt!


On 5/18/2018 7:47 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 



Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

Do you mean the ease of access settings panel of the windows settings app is opening at login?

 

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.

 

The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?


On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 

 


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

7 - You can use an addon Virtual Review, that allows you to easily to select all text and copy it...

Rui


Às 00:23 de 18/05/2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

To clarify,
There isn't a built-in way to repeat the last utterance.  There are several ways that might achieve what you want here, however:
1) If the error is a standard windowsdialogbox, you may be able to copy it by simply pressing CONTROL+C.
2) If the error is in adialogbox, you can read the entiredialogby pressing NVDA+b.
3) To give you the speak last utterance functionality, there is a Speech History add-on: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/speech_history.en.html
4) If you open NVDA's speech viewer BEFORE the error message is read, you can navigate to the speech viewer window and read or copy the text. Press NVDA+N, then T, then S to turn on the speech viewer.
5) You could use the NVDA log with logging set to input / output or debug, although you would likely have to wade through more other information if all you want is the spoken text.
6) You could use NVDA's review cursor / Object navigation functionality to move back through the text in the dialog, even if it is not accessible with the keyboard normally.  The exact keys to press depend on the way the error message is set out, but since you mentioned you are using laptop keyboard layout, you could try
- NVDA+UP ARROW to move to the previous line in the current object and NVDA+DOWN ARROW to move to the next line in the current object.
- NVDA+SHIFT+LEFT arrow to move to the previous object (NVDA+SHIFT+RIGHT ARROW TO MOVE TO THE NEXT OBJECT), and NVDA+SHIFT+o to report the current object.
Try moving around the current object first and if that doesn't give you the text (for instance, if the focus is on an "OK" button), then try moving back to the previous object.
That should give you enough options to go on with for now anyway!
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 7:35 AM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@... <mailto:daj.griffith@...>> wrote:
Surely the easy way to do this in NVDA is simply to turn on Speech
Viewer in NVDA settings.____
This opens a window where all speech output from NVDA is copied  as
text in a  window where you can simply alt tab to this text window
and copy the text out as desired.____
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Also, Jessica is using the Windows 10 mail app.  I don't know how to
work with that app because I don't have Windows 10 and I haven't
looked at it.____
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clipboard?____
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To those following this thread:____
As far as I can tell, I am sending mail as Unicode (UTF-8).  I know
I am sending mail as HTML.  These are both standard ways of sending
mail for a lot of people.  I don't know why Jessica can't read my
mail.  Will others, whith whom Jessica can, we hope, communicate,
try to help with this problem?  If she doesn't see my messages,
then, I would think, she won't see a lot of list mail.____
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*Subject: *[nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system
clipboard?____
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Hi,____
I’m still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting
an error message.____
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I’d like to google it, to figure out what it means.____
__ __
As a result, I need to copy it  to the system clipboard.____
__ __
Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?____
__ __
Thanks,____
Jessica____
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris
 

Not in windows settings

It is possible to have  it so it logs in automatically, therefore you wont see the lock screen or login page when you boot

Having said that any key press will remove the lock screen anyway

 

From: Kenny
Sent: 18 May 2018 10:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

    Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch under settings -> personalization -> lock screen.

 

Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the screen for inputting my pin or password.

 

Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock screen, I rather disable it totally for now.

 

On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 

 

 


Re: Problem signing in with google backu and sync

Vlad Dragomir
 

In my experience, GDrive is more accessible compared to Dropbox, especially the web interface. I use OneDrive as well, but not that often. They all have issues from time to time, far from being perfect, we do agree on that point.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I've experienced it too. It's like Windows is presenting me with all of the built-in accessibility options for me to select from, before logging into Windows. Nice for those who don't know about them. Not so great for those of us who do.


The problem is that I've already chose NVDA as the accessibility option to be use at startup, and having to navigate out of this screen to reach the screen for inputting my pin is a pain.


I just want a way to disable this lock screen verbiage all together. Let me boot up into Windows, input my pin and get started. Stop presenting me with a bunch of stuff I don't care about. Give me a choice in the matter would you Microsoft?

On 5/17/2018 10:33 AM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

Chris, it is not so. Firstly, I don't hear Narrator speaking and in such a case I should, because it uses a different voice from NVDA. Secondly, I don't see the Narrator Cursor on the screen and with my settings I should, if Narrator is running. Thirdly, I checked in Control Panel -> Ease of access -> Change sign-in settings and Narrator there is not set to run neither on the lock screen, nor after I sign in.

Part of the described in my first message behavior (the one about displaying user information on the lock screen) might be considered as normal, specially if Microsoft have done some changes as to how things load after a "Fast Boot". But I don't think displaying the "Ease of access" menu without me invoking it manually could be considered a normal behavior. And some more food for thought: shouldn't the user's things and information be loaded after he signs in and not before that (?).

I could, and probably will, contact Microsoft about this, but firstly I wanted to ask if I'm the only one experiencing this. I don't think so, because I've experienced it in my virtual machine with Windows 10 Insider Preview, but I've attributed it to the slowness of the virtual machine. Apparently that is not the case.

I've temporarily disabled "Fast Boot" and will test how things go.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 17.5.2018 г. в 15:35, Chris via Groups.Io написа:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 




Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

    Following up on this response. Is there any option to disable the lock screen verbiage all together? Can't find any such switch under settings -> personalization -> lock screen.


Meaning when Windows boots up; I want to be taken directly to the screen for inputting my pin or password.


Until I get familiar with this Android style Windows 10 1803 lock screen, I rather disable it totally for now.


On 5/17/2018 8:35 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

It sounds like you have both narrator and nvda to start on the login screen, check settings in both narrator and nvda

 

As for the other stuff you can change them in settings > personalization > lock screen

 

So nothing unusual at all really 😃

 

 

 

From: Kostadin Kolev
Sent: 17 May 2018 13:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

 



Re: Ask about Word2010

Brian's Mail list account
 

I don't know but the same thing is happening in word 2003 in windows 7, but not always. It seems to be getting stuck but nothing in the log shows any concerns when it happens.

Another quirk.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <prem.translator@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 4:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Ask about Word2010


Sometime when I use Word2010, after using editor revision and inserting some comment, NVDA will say "reviewing pain", and I'm unable to read the document, there will be the word like "inserted" or something like <> in the document. However, when I close and re-open it, everything is ok, I'm able to continue my work. What's the problem and how do I solve it? I don't want to re-open the document again and again.


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Brian's Mail list account
 

I cannot see any difference between her encoding and yours. I switched to message source and both are plain text at the start. is this another great 'feature' of windows 10 mail app?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


To those following this thread:
As far as I can tell, I am sending mail as Unicode (UTF-8). I know I am sending mail as HTML. These are both standard ways of sending mail for a lot of people. I don't know why Jessica can't read my mail. Will others, whith whom Jessica can, we hope, communicate, try to help with this problem? If she doesn't see my messages, then, I would think, she won't see a lot of list mail.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


Hi,

Your reply was blank.



Can you please send again?



Thanks,

Jessica





Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?



Hi,

I’m still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error message.



I’d like to google it, to figure out what it means.



As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.



Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?



Thanks,

Jessica


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Brian's Mail list account
 

It was OK here. Could it be that there is a fault with your windows?

If you download the latest master snap then run the fixer tool and see if it fixes that.
On the other issue. I'd turn on narrator and see if it can read it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


Hi,
Your reply was blank.

Can you please send again?

Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jessica D
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Hi,
I’m still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error message.

I’d like to google it, to figure out what it means.

As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.

Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Do you have an ssd on the machine using Intel firmware? I'm told that this particular combination does not work and indeed Microsoft are disabling the update to those with this and several other problems with driver software till there is a fixed version
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Coying the last thing NVDA said to the system clipboard?


Hi,

I'm still having trouble installing the 1803 update, and am getting an error
message.



I'd like to google it, to figure out what it means.



As a result, I need to copy it to the system clipboard.



Does anyone know the key command to accomplish this?



Thanks,

Jessica