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Re: Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
I only use chrome, so no idea if it happens on firefox or not.
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Hi, And is this across all browsers tested? Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 12:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia
It's not just on wikipedia, it happens on other web pages too. I thought it was just an artifact of the way the page was laid out, I didn't think it was an NVDA problem, but it certainly could be. No idea what would caus it though.
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Re: Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
It's not just on wikipedia, it happens on other web pages too. I
thought it was just an artifact of the way the page was laid out,
I didn't think it was an NVDA problem, but it certainly could be.
No idea what would caus it though. On 5/21/2018 2:49 PM, Morne van der
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Strange behaviour of NVDA on Wikipedia
Morne van der Merwe
Hello list,
Please bare with me. I am going to explain my problem as best as I can.
I’m running the latest version of NVDA as well as Windows 10.
When I’m reading about a country on Wikipedia, NVDA read the information and, when reading the next part of information, NVDA adds the previous information as well. And before reading the next information, it repeats the previous information. I’m going to give an example.
Currently I have “Germany” open in Wikkippedia. NVDA reads “Federal republic of Germany, Bundesrepublik Deutschland.”
Then I arrow down to the next piece of informationwhich is the information about the capital and largest city. I hear the following information: “Capital and largest city. Federal Republic of Deutschland, Bundesrepublik Deutschland Berlin.” So, I get to the next piece of information, but I hear the previous piece of information again.
Well, I really hope I explained my problem sufficient enough to get some help.
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards Morné
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Jackie
Gene, the problem is that many of us are running the latest update &
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are experiencing no such difficulties.
On 5/21/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I agree. While certain settings may affect this problem, I doubt that most --
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Gene
I agree. While certain settings may affect
this problem, I doubt that most of them do, and not all are appropriate for all
computers, such as the resolution. But the reason I'm doubtful that any
settings changes will help is because this is a new problem after the latest
Windows update. It sounds to me like a UIA automation problem, which isn't
user correctable.
Gene
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From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10
1803 disabled graphics hotkeys, as inadvertently pressing these can cause display rotation. I'm not sure if that will cause problems w/NVDA if the display is unintentionally rotated, but I can tell you for certain sighted folks hate standing on their head to look at the screen. The resolution should be that supported by the monitor. Mine, for example, is 1920x1080. Steve, just out of curiosity, have you tried uninstalling & then reinstalling NVDA w/the latest update? I'm just wondering if something may have gotten corrupted here. On 5/21/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > > I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer. I > have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since > Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers. In > particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or > something other than list or details checked, you will have problems. > First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked. > > > Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is > unchecked. If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in > sluggishness and odd behavior. > > > Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus. Under the > panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under the resolution > sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton sub menu, rotate to 0 > degrees is checked. > > Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled. > > > Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above > and see if that helps with your file explorer issues. > > > > On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: >> >> Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get >> NVDA to read the list now. >> >> NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s >> got worse with this build. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of >> *Annette Moore >> *Sent:* 20 May 2018 20:15 >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 >> >> I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. >> either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can >> sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides >> to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA >> thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I >> have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and >> then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor >> doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA >> isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say, >> two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working >> fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to >> misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen >> readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and >> go with it. >> >> Annette >> >> On 5/20/2018 11:36 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: >> >> So I wonder what is the determining factor then? >> >> All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of >> *Greg Wocher >> *Sent:* 20 May 2018 17:14 >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803 >> >> Hello, >> >> I am running the latest version of NVDA on my HP laptop and I do >> not have any issues using NVDA with file explorer. I am also using >> the 1803 Windows update. >> >> Greg Wocher >> >> On May 20, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@... >> <mailto:steve@...>> wrote: >> >> I’m assuming you haven’t tried it in the File Explorer app >> then? That’s the bug I was reporting. >> >> All the best >> >> >> Steve >> >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io >> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io >> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>*On Behalf Of*Sarah k Alawami >> *Sent:*18 May 2018 21:28 >> *To:*nvda list list <nvda@nvda.groups.io >> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> >> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 >> 1803 >> >> I can't remember if I replied or not but lists are fine in the >> explorer.exe app. I'm so far knock on wood not having any >> issues as far as I can see, except for obs but that's probably >> a broken app. >> >> >> >> On May 16, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Steve Nutt >> <steve@... <mailto:steve@...>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I recently reported that Outlook message lists were not >> reading for me. >> >> It is in fact worse than that, lists in general don’t seem >> to be reading. For example, File Explorer in Windows 10 >> is completely silent for me now. >> >> JAWS is reading lists quite happily. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> >> Computer Room Services >> >> 77 Exeter Close >> >> Stevenage >> >> Hertfordshire >> >> SG1 4PW >> >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> >> Email:steve@... <mailto:steve@...> >> >> Web:http://www.comproom.co.uk <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> >> >> > > -- > They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. > They ask: "How Happy are You?" > I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" > > -- Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: Stopping windows 10 from consuming so much data, was RE: [nvda] new technology challenge
Arlene
Hey, so, If I get a win ten machine. Do I have to tell it not to share data with other pcs?
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: Is there a strand of Windows 10 that will work like old windows, IE not forced to get the 6 month updates but still get security patches, so one can use it without worrying about it having to effectively re install and change lots of stuff when it does?
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Jackie
W/all due respect, I will disagree w/some of these last comments. I've
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disabled graphics hotkeys, as inadvertently pressing these can cause display rotation. I'm not sure if that will cause problems w/NVDA if the display is unintentionally rotated, but I can tell you for certain sighted folks hate standing on their head to look at the screen. The resolution should be that supported by the monitor. Mine, for example, is 1920x1080. Steve, just out of curiosity, have you tried uninstalling & then reinstalling NVDA w/the latest update? I'm just wondering if something may have gotten corrupted here.
On 5/21/18, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Steve, --
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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on
Gene
Most people won't pay, regardless and only those
who pay may get more confidentiality.
I haven't looked into this, but I think this is
being done to discourage people from using third party clients, which, I
suspect, don't show advertising. So I doubt a paid service is coming and I
suspect this is just to cause more people to receive ads.
Gene
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From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds
add-on Glenn -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on This link: https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK tools. It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves won't be contributing to it anymore. On the link: https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much, though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select the various features, and their level to see what the fees are. It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for quite some time now. As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape. I didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it isn't surprising that the questions were being asked. After all, every company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for very long. But, as far as the impending charging for access goes: https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/ seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients simply not being able to get realtime updates. It appears more digging is necessary. Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the announcement than actual facts. I suspect truthful information will slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the change.
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Ron Canazzi
Hi Steve,
I am wondering about what settings you have for the File Explorer. I have noticed that with some settings in Windows/file explorer since Windows 7, that it doesn't interface well with screen readers. In particular, if you have under the view menu extra large icons or grid or something other than list or details checked, you will have problems. First check the view menu to see that either list or details is checked.
Also make sure that everything under the group by sub menu is unchecked. If anything is checked under that menu, it can result in sluggishness and odd behavior.
Also under the graphics options sub menu there are sub menus.
Under the panel options only the display scaling is checked. Under
the resolution sub menu 1024 X 768 is checked. Under the rotaton
sub menu, rotate to 0 degrees is checked. Under the hotkeys and tray icons sub menu, they are both enabled.
Check out these settings and make them conform to the suggestions above and see if that helps with your file explorer issues.
On 5/21/2018 11:10 AM, Steve Nutt
wrote:
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Re: Espeak UK English words
Reece H. Dunn
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 01:43 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Hi I have been told that most of the pronunciations that were wrong likeYou need the latest nvda development/next branch for the eSpeak NG fixes. What is the issue, is Espeak NG now in some other troublesNot as far as I am aware. On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 02:15 am, Quentin Christensen wrote: NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4. I'm planning on releasing 1.49.3 in line with Unicode 11, so it has the updated Unicode characters and emoji. Kind regards, Reece
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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on
Ervin, Glenn
Also, we may have more confidentiality with a paid service. FaceBook may eventually choose this model because when we have a free service, the only method of the company making money is allowing data mining.
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Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 11:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on This link: https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK tools. It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves won't be contributing to it anymore. On the link: https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much, though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select the various features, and their level to see what the fees are. It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for quite some time now. As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape. I didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it isn't surprising that the questions were being asked. After all, every company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for very long. But, as far as the impending charging for access goes: https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/ seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients simply not being able to get realtime updates. It appears more digging is necessary. Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the announcement than actual facts. I suspect truthful information will slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the change.
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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
This link:
https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2018/discontinuing-support-for-twitter-kit-sdk.html talks about why they are discontinuing support for one of their SDK tools. It will still continue to work, it's just hat twitter themselves won't be contributing to it anymore. On the link: https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing.html you can get details on exactly what they're charging for, and how much, though it's not laid out in a straightforward method, you need to select the various features, and their level to see what the fees are. It actually looks like twitter has been targeting fee based services for quite some time now. As far back as 2010, twitter was charging for access to historical data for researchers, commercial developers who wanted back history, and the like, so this isn't anything new. Last march, twitter had run a series of surveys, asking if users would be willing to pay for different components of the twitter landscape. I didn't find anything breaking down what those responses were, but it isn't surprising that the questions were being asked. After all, every company has a need to make money, or they won't remain a company for very long. But, as far as the impending charging for access goes: https://www.xda-developers.com/twitter-new-api-third-party-clients/ seems to indicate that the fees for a standard twitter client aren't trivial, and seems to contradict what I read earlier about clients simply not being able to get realtime updates. It appears more digging is necessary. Apparently, twitter is trying to herd users into using official twitter clients only, (or the web site), but as of now, I can't say whether this is true or not, since there seems to be more knee jerk reactions to the announcement than actual facts. I suspect truthful information will slowly filter it's way into the general populous over the next few months, then we'll know for sure what the deal is, but for now, just keep using the client of your choice, and wait until it breaks ... (if it breaks) ... before spreading possibly untrue information about the change.
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve Nutt
Hi Jackie,
Steve, may I ask if you're running NVDA as portable? Truthfully, I personally cannot replicate any of the problems you're having w/my Windows 10, latest build,. Can you tell us: Firstly, I am not running as portable on the machines tested. 1) How are your views set? Details, This PC by default, no Preview Payne, no Navigation Payne. 2) What details do you have enabled? All of them I think. 3) Is your File Explorer maximized? Yes. I even tried Windows+Up Arrow to make sure it was. I do know that portable NVDA just does not read lists as well as when it's actually installed. I don't know if this is because it's better able to hook into various machine processes or what, but that is something my experience has definitively shown me. Well I haven't found portable to be any worse for me thus far, but now, Explorer is completely unusable on all my machines. When you enter a folder, it reads out the first file name, but from then on, it is silent. All the best Steve
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Jackie
Steve, may I ask if you're running NVDA as portable? Truthfully, I
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personally cannot replicate any of the problems you're having w/my Windows 10, latest build,. Can you tell us: 1) How are your views set? 2) What details do you have enabled? 3) Is your File Explorer maximized? I do know that portable NVDA just does not read lists as well as when it's actually installed. I don't know if this is because it's better able to hook into various machine processes or what, but that is something my experience has definitively shown me. I really hope we can help you get this solved, because it does seem that many of us don't share this experience, so I suspect it may be something unique to your setup that can be rectified. Keep plugging, & we'll hang in there w/you till we get to the bottom of it all.
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Re: Espeak UK English words
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Another thought, now nvda is capable of getting usage data from the users, does it allow folk to see, for example that one user is using Speech player in espeak and what variant they use etc, or is it just what synth is set as default?
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Re: Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Not strictly true, they are going to charge an arm and a leg for every user that third party clients has. I guess its academic as it amounts to the same thing in the end. Are twitter feeling the pinch in their profits?
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Poor dears. Bout time some other platform had a look in. Not that I care too much found the whole thing a terribly time wasting thing a couple of years ago now. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 2:57 PM Subject: [nvda] Twitter clients. Re: Read Feeds add-on I use feeds all the time because everything comes straight to me, rather than me having to browse. Best part is, I can combine sources into one huge RSS feed. As for the twitter clients, Twitter will be shutting down third party support in August.
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Re: Espeak UK English words
Steve Nutt
You can fix it yourself though surely? Just replace Newsletter with News Letter in the NVDA dictionary.
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All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 21 May 2018 16:14 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words Hmm, hence my question. Its a pity these sort of fixes cannot be imported away from the other parts of the programme . For sounding like fur Newsletter sounding like newslitter and several others were fixed some months back for the test versions. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.
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Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Hmm, hence my question. Its a pity these sort of fixes cannot be imported away from the other parts of the programme . For sounding like fur Newsletter sounding like newslitter and several others were fixed some months back for the test versions.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Espeak UK English words NVDA updated to eSpeak 1.49.2 in NVDA 2017.4.
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Re: Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
Steve Nutt
Yep, this pretty much mirrors my experience, although I can never get NVDA to read the list now.
NVDA is pretty horrible with File Explorer under Windows 10, and it’s got worse with this build.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: 20 May 2018 20:15 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and latest Windows 10 1803
I just close file explorer and reopen it when it starts acting funky. either that, or I shut down NVDA and restart it. Alternatively, I can sit here and stare at the computer for a few minutes, until it decides to behave itself, which it does eventually do. It has to be an NVDA thing, though, because it doesn't do this with System Access at all. I have trouble alt tabbing between windows when it wants to act up, and then I have trouble going through list items. It's like the cursor doesn't want to move through them but it actually does; it's just NVDA isn't reading me the items. I also find that if I have more than, say, two or three windows open and I close one of them, it starts working fine again. It's random, though, so I never know when it's going to misbehave. It's not aggravating enough to make me switch screen readers, though. I just figure it'll be fixed in a future update and go with it. Annette
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