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Re: Messenger Site and NVDA

Abbie Taylor
 

I hope you're right, Richard. Thanks.

On 5/22/2018 9:07 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Abbie: These may have been just delayed messages. I still believe that changing your password fixed it.


On 5/22/2018 6:43 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
I already changed my Facebook password yesterday afternoon, but I don't think that did it for Messenger because some friends told me they received messages this morning.

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On May 22, 2018 5:33 PM, Ashley Coleman <amc05111@...> wrote:
You should be able to change your Facebook password, and that will change it for Messenger.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 19:32
To: Jackie <abletec@...>
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messenger Site and NVDA

Yes I do, and I realize now they both go together. I may have to delete the Facebook account if I can't change my Messenger password.

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On May 22, 2018 4:24 PM, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Abbie, messenger is now a part of facebook. So do you have a facebook account?

On 5/22/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Hmmm you should be able to change the password.

To be honest, when ms/ google says you have been hacked, just like
windows flagging things,  I don't know if it has or not.

I had the same issue with google sync, an update and reload had to be done.

The program crashed in the middle of signup.

Google then said I was hacked and needed to change my password.

It will also do that if you go to another location then signin from
your home location, sometimes it puts up a security message sometimes not.

Either you don't get it or respond fast enough and boom.

A friend had this with an ms account.

Her system lost power in the middle of a feature windows update.

Nothing worked, eventually she had to reformat her pc, and windows
mobile phone, change her passwords then create another account for
it to work.

Some of that was her isp doing strange things but everything got out
of sync, and then things got confused.

I had the same situation with a business system I was working on,
the encripted drive crashed.

Some backups were made but not everything.

The system was reinstalled on a new box, but again, security was
just crazy.

Eventually with some professional recovery technitions the drives
were recovered, the accounts were updated, but it envolved a lot of
mucking about.

I am more inclined to think if something says your account is hacked
that your account is not in fact compromised its just windows or
your previder telling you you are doing something outside their
strict guidelines.




On 5/23/2018 8:42 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Because my messenger account has been hacked, I'm trying to either
delete the account or change the password, but I can't seem to do
this on the messenger site so far with NVDA.
https://www.messenger.comFor some reason, it's not reading the
settings dialog box. I've tried some of the mouse commands but to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas?



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Re: About Linux

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

Yes, this being true, Linux is not your friendly operating system, but it never was designed to be. They have made it more so in th the past 10 years or so, but its still not. What it is though is fast, efficient, and rock solid reliable. If you need those qualities in an operating system, and you don't mind the learning process, then Linux might be for you. I deleted 5 and a half gigs off my server the other day, you want to know how long that took? About as much time as it would take to blink twice. And yes, it was still doing work in the background after that, but even that didn't take long, and immediately, df -h shows the new size of the disk. When I move files, it takes no time at all because I'm not physically moving them on the disk, they always stay in the same place, I'm just moving pointers around.


Re: What will be with Espeak NG?

Ann Byrne
 

What is the default if using windows 7?

At 03:46 AM 5/23/2018, you wrote:
Hi Marco,

Actually we don't develop eSpeak to begin with. We use eSpeak NG which has a GitHub repository and is open source, just like NVDA: <https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng>https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

We are still including eSpeak NG with NVDA. We are just changing the default synthesizer when you install it on Windows 10, to the Windows OneCore voices. From talking with users, and importantly, with people who don't use NVDA (and why), we found that a lot of people "Like NVDA, but the voice is very robotic". As much as we would encourage people to explore the settings and find a setup that works for them, the truth is, people, particularly when testing something new, will first try the default setup, and if something is too jarring (as eSpeak NG is for some users), they may stop using it and not come back, even though if they were using Windows 10, there are more human sounding voices available on their system.

So, for NVDA 2018.2, we are making Windows OneCore voice the default on Windows 10, but we will still bundle eSpeak with NVDA, and we know many advanced users will switch back to it, and that is fine. Note if you already have NVDA installed and upgrade to NVDA 2018.2, it won't change what you have setup.

I hope that answers your question, but if you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Marco Oros <<mailto:marco.oros93@...>marco.oros93@...> wrote:
I have heard, that default synthesizer will be Windows Onecore and not Espeak NG. I have a question.
NVDA team will stop implement new versions of Espeak? Or, why this thing were happened?
Thank You.
Marco Oros






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Re: About Linux

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Well, unlike that other poster over there (:P), I never had any issue with using the terminal, although my only previous experience had been logging into a shell via Telnet from a Dos machine in the mid 90s. However I remember a lot of my time using the Linux box I had set up in 2008 was also spent reading man pages.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: May 23, 2018 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

You will always need the terminal for something. Something breaks? You’ll find guides with terminal instructions. Of course, some of it can be just copied and pasted, but most of it most be customized for your system, your files, your initialization scripts, and so on. I’m just trying to give the facts as they are, not say Linux is bad because it isn’t, but it does require that you know at least how to use the terminal, and what files you have, where they are, and an understanding of the structure of your file system.



On May 23, 2018, at 7:55 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

 

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing stuff with the oS. 

-----Original Message-----
From: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type things if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX either.  That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows version.  It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different.  Mac OSX is different.  Some people prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because you can't install the same applications as you can on Windows.  You might just as well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:


hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface 
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of 
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in 
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks 
without terminal and command line, certainly i said goodbye to windows 
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least 
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:

I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think 
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating system where 
you had to type one command before any other command you type? 
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are 
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may be set up 
so that you don't need to use your password each and every time, 
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root status. A 
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like it 
when people spread information that could harm other people's 
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if 
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then, 
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees this and 
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


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Re: About Linux

Devin Prater
 

You will always need the terminal for something. Something breaks? You’ll find guides with terminal instructions. Of course, some of it can be just copied and pasted, but most of it most be customized for your system, your files, your initialization scripts, and so on. I’m just trying to give the facts as they are, not say Linux is bad because it isn’t, but it does require that you know at least how to use the terminal, and what files you have, where they are, and an understanding of the structure of your file system.

On May 23, 2018, at 7:55 AM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing stuff with the oS. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type things if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX either.  That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows version.  It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different.  Mac OSX is different.  Some people prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because you can't install the same applications as you can on Windows.  You might just as well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface 
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of 
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in 
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks 
without terminal and command line, certainly i said goodbye to windows 
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least 
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think 
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating system where 
you had to type one command before any other command you type? 
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are 
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may be set up 
so that you don't need to use your password each and every time, 
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root status. A 
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like it 
when people spread information that could harm other people's 
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if 
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then, 
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees this and 
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.

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I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

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Re: About Linux

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Good post. That said, I don't know how much things have changed, but when I was using a Linux box in 2008 or so, I had a hell of a battle with orca. Always crashing. And Gnome was the only desktop GUI environment it actually worked in. Someday I'd like to give it another go, as I really like Linux in theory -- just seemed to be spending more time trying to fix things than actually accomplishing stuff with the oS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: May 23, 2018 4:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About Linux

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type things if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but you can't install them under Mac OSX either. That doesn't mean a Mac is worse than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the Linux or OSX version instead of the Windows version. It does mean you cannot use NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover for Mac OSX).

Linux is different. Mac OSX is different. Some people prefer them; it's a personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because you can't install the same applications as you can on Windows. You might just as well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks
without terminal and command line, certainly i said goodbye to windows
and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think
about it for a second. Why would they make an operating system where
you had to type one command before any other command you type?
Doesn't make sense, does it? Also, remember that you are
authenticating each time you do this, even though it may be set up
so that you don't need to use your password each and every time,
which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root status. A
little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like it
when people spread information that could harm other people's
machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if
you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then,
what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and sees this and
tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.
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- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

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Re: About Linux

 

i did not say linux is worse.
i told that i want the graphical user interface with all of my
applications on windows.
for linux,
even its not possible to find one installer file without need to
compiling the sourcecodes,
or using repository or online installer or command line or terminal!
i studied hundreds of links in english and achieved this result.
even i can download for example my favorite version of firefox,
i should compile it to a deb file to install it easily like windows!
i wish that someone make a linux according to my desire!
and i did not find any options except for windows because of these limitations!
i am not a computer engineer or code familiar to use current linux versions!
if in the future, someone makes a linux exactly in the same way that i
need and desire,
please, send email and inform me about this great revolution!

On 5/23/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the

default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type
things
if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you

have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech
output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and

speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but
you
can't install them under Mac OSX either. That doesn't mean a Mac is worse
than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the
Linux
or OSX version instead of the Windows version. It does mean you cannot use

NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux,
Voiceover
for Mac OSX).

Linux is different. Mac OSX is different. Some people prefer them; it's a

personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because
you
can't install the same applications as you can on Windows. You might just
as
well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the

Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks
without terminal and command line,
certainly i said goodbye to windows and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much
mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think about
it
for a second. Why would they make an operating system where you had to
type one command before any other command you type? Doesn't make sense,
does it? Also, remember that you are authenticating each time you do
this, even though it may be set up so that you don't need to use your
password each and every time, which ever command you use with sudo gets
elevated to root status. A little reading will tell you all you need to
know. I don't like it when people spread information that could harm
other people's machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one
thing, but if you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
ignorant. Then, what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and
sees this and tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf *
from the root directory, then bye bye machine.
--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.

- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine

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me.



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Re: What will be with Espeak NG?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes, I think that the problem many have with espeak is that for each language a different variant is needed to sound right. I made Quincy for Espeak some year back now and many like its deeper tone, particularly on a laptop, but of course the default sing song voice may be great if you are from a different country. I cannot tell.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] What will be with Espeak NG?


Hi Marco,

Actually we don't develop eSpeak to begin with. We use eSpeak NG which has
a GitHub repository and is open source, just like NVDA:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

We are still including eSpeak NG with NVDA. We are just changing the
default synthesizer when you install it on Windows 10, to the Windows
OneCore voices. From talking with users, and importantly, with people who
don't use NVDA (and why), we found that a lot of people "Like NVDA, but the
voice is very robotic". As much as we would encourage people to explore
the settings and find a setup that works for them, the truth is, people,
particularly when testing something new, will first try the default setup,
and if something is too jarring (as eSpeak NG is for some users), they may
stop using it and not come back, even though if they were using Windows 10,
there are more human sounding voices available on their system.

So, for NVDA 2018.2, we are making Windows OneCore voice the default on
Windows 10, but we will still bundle eSpeak with NVDA, and we know many
advanced users will switch back to it, and that is fine. Note if you
already have NVDA installed and upgrade to NVDA 2018.2, it won't change
what you have setup.

I hope that answers your question, but if you have any more questions,
please don't hesitate to ask!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:

I have heard, that default synthesizer will be Windows Onecore and not
Espeak NG. I have a question.
NVDA team will stop implement new versions of Espeak? Or, why this thing
were happened?
Thank You.
Marco Oros




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Re: still clunky

Brian's Mail list account
 

I'm not sure what you mean. A lot of of what people call clunky others call configurable of course. I think it not unreasonable that users of a computer understand some basic concepts. After all if you are not interested in computers and are not using them at work, then just save up and buy Dolphin Guide, its probably all you would ever want, but its not a screenreader, its a suite of simple to use apps that talk.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen g. Hughes" <wordsthatmatter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] still clunky


I know nvda will never be the same as as, how do I ‘ scrambling for the right word here,’ dial down or get this program for me to run smoother?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive



Sometimes, if I have an idea of which drive it is, I

Just type in the path, which never changes except for the drive letter.

For example:

F:\nvda\nvda

And press enter

If you get an error tone, press the space bar, then press the home key, and then delete key and try another letter like the letter E

HTH.

Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive



Run Narrator, then find and open the drive and run NVDA from the drive. After it is running and you have speech, close Narrator.



If the laptop is a computer you are going to use often and you have permission to set something up on it, you can assign a short cut command to run NVDA and use it when the drive is connected. You won't have to run Narrator if you do that.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Don <mailto:donmi@q.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:57 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive



I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash drive. How do I run it on another lap top computer?


Re: Messenger Site and NVDA

Brian's Mail list account
 

Agreed. I have finally given up on Google back up and sync. The google drive worked reliably and well, but the new system is quirky crashes on start up and sends emails saying an unknown device been on your account, and then every time you log in the log in screen is inaccessible forcing you in through a browser then it completely loses the log in in the desktop app and so after a bout a week of this stupidity. I deleted it completely and now only have dropbox. The thing is though, I would like a cloud system that could work well on a couple of old xp boxes but seemingly this is now no longer possible.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messenger Site and NVDA


Hmmm you should be able to change the password.

To be honest, when ms/ google says you have been hacked, just like windows flagging things, I don't know if it has or not.

I had the same issue with google sync, an update and reload had to be done.

The program crashed in the middle of signup.

Google then said I was hacked and needed to change my password.

It will also do that if you go to another location then signin from your home location, sometimes it puts up a security message sometimes not.

Either you don't get it or respond fast enough and boom.

A friend had this with an ms account.

Her system lost power in the middle of a feature windows update.

Nothing worked, eventually she had to reformat her pc, and windows mobile phone, change her passwords then create another account for it to work.

Some of that was her isp doing strange things but everything got out of sync, and then things got confused.

I had the same situation with a business system I was working on, the encripted drive crashed.

Some backups were made but not everything.

The system was reinstalled on a new box, but again, security was just crazy.

Eventually with some professional recovery technitions the drives were recovered, the accounts were updated, but it envolved a lot of mucking about.

I am more inclined to think if something says your account is hacked that your account is not in fact compromised its just windows or your previder telling you you are doing something outside their strict guidelines.




On 5/23/2018 8:42 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Because my messenger account has been hacked, I'm trying to either delete the account or change the password, but I can't seem to do this on the messenger site so far with NVDA. https://www.messenger.comFor some reason, it's not reading the settings dialog box. I've tried some of the mouse commands but to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas?



Re: Messenger Site and NVDA

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I wonder if Webbie might be able to do it? Not been there for a while.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Messenger Site and NVDA


****Hello,
First, sorry for writing in this mail instead of write in the main topic, I lost it.
Secondly and now talking about what's really interesting :)
Try to maximize the Messenger's window with alt+spacebar and X, if I'm not mistaken.
After you did it, go to the top of the page then navigate as on any other page.
Hope it can help you.
Cheers,
Marcio
Em 22/05/2018 18:18, Abbie Taylor escreveu:
No, I don't have Jaws. I do have System Access so may try it with that later. Thanks.


On 5/22/2018 2:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Maybe you can try it with Jaws if you have it.




On 5/22/2018 1:42 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Because my messenger account has been hacked, I'm trying to either delete the account or change the password, but I can't seem to do this on the messenger site so far with NVDA. https://www.messenger.comFor some reason, it's not reading the settings dialog box. I've tried some of the mouse commands but to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas?




Re: Messenger Site and NVDA

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You could try the Jaws demo, but I have a feeling from memory that its not going to work either due to the site design.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Messenger Site and NVDA


No, I don't have Jaws. I do have System Access so may try it with that later. Thanks.


On 5/22/2018 2:43 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Maybe you can try it with Jaws if you have it.




On 5/22/2018 1:42 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Because my messenger account has been hacked, I'm trying to either delete the account or change the password, but I can't seem to do this on the messenger site so far with NVDA. https://www.messenger.comFor some reason, it's not reading the settings dialog box. I've tried some of the mouse commands but to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas?


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Re: firefox issue

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One of the common issues with firefox is that nvda seems to suggest that a button has focus, ie or to restart after an update for example. This is not the case. it needs you to use the shortcut to press it. I think somebody in the firefox dev team or maybe at nvda who writes the app module might like to apply their mind to this as it also affects alerts that say, we detect that this page is asking to be redirected or something similar and alt a makes this work, but its by no means always clear its not actually a button in focus.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox issue


Yes when remember password press Ault + R

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Richard Wells <richwels@...> wrote:

I believe it is ALT+R.

On 5/22/2018 8:23 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:

There is a short-cut key to have Firefox remember a password, but I've
forgotten what it is at the moment because I now just escape out of those
dialog boxes. Thanks.

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On May 22, 2018 6:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> <gsasner@...>
wrote:

I'll tell you how you may try to do this which may help you in this and in
other similar situations where messages come up. also, there may be a
short cut command to move to the message, but I don't know it.

It doesn't remember it because you aren't telling it to in the menu or
activating the button. When you hear the message, move to the address bar
with control l. the message is probably somewhere around it. Try tabbing
a few times and see if you find something relevant. If you don't, return
to the address bar again with control l and shift tab a few times to see if
you find anything relevant.

However, before you do any of that at all, I'm not sure having browsers
remember passwords is a good idea. Others with more technical knowledge
will, I hope, comment, but I've seen one or more computer advisors
recommend against it as a security risk.

Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] firefox issue

I think it's Firefox. Nowadays, whenever I try to have it remember a
particular password, the dialog asking me if I want Firefox to do this
keeps coming up, and I keep pressing the button to save the password, and
it comes up again. This happens for a while, and then when I just escape
out of that dialog, I lose speech altogether and have to re-start Firefox
before it will work properly. By the way, it never does remember the
password.

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On May 22, 2018 2:24 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello
can any one tell me if firefox freezes when you go to add a bookmark?
when ever I try to do that I loose speech for about 5 seconds
am trying to find out if it is me or if it is firefox
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Re: firefox issue

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Which version of Firefox, which version of nvda.
I have to say, I had some problems with this on Windows 7 with any version of Firefox after 56. I now am using Waterfox as the default browser and its much more stable. I am not saying it was nvda that was doing it, I suspect it has something to do with Firefox not actually reporting what its done very quickly to access software as alt tabbing away seems to show nvda still OK.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox issue


Hello
can any one tell me if firefox freezes when you go to add a bookmark?
when ever I try to do that I loose speech for about 5 seconds
am trying to find out if it is me or if it is firefox
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Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

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That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software. Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at least the next time you need to use it it has the best access it can.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive


Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.


On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:

I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash drive.
How do I run it on another lap top computer?


Re: About Linux

Antony Stone
 

You do not have to use the command line on Linux unless you want to.

There are many distributions which provide a graphical environment from the
default installation, and although you can open a command shell to type things
if you want to, you can do this in MS Windows too - it doesn't mean that you
have to.

There are Linux distributions with accessible installers providing speech
output, and there is a screenreader (Orca) for working with both Braille and
speech for graphical applications.

You cannot install NVDA or other MS Windows applications under Linux, but you
can't install them under Mac OSX either. That doesn't mean a Mac is worse
than Windows - it just means they're different from each other.

It doesn't mean you can't install Firefox - you just have to install the Linux
or OSX version instead of the Windows version. It does mean you cannot use
NVDA, but you can use another screenreader instead (Orca for Linux, Voiceover
for Mac OSX).

Linux is different. Mac OSX is different. Some people prefer them; it's a
personal choice.

Please don't mislead people by suggesting that they are worse just because you
can't install the same applications as you can on Windows. You might just as
well say that Windows is worse than Linux because it doesn't support all the
Linux applications that are available.


Antony.

On Wednesday 23 May 2018 at 10:44:01, zahra wrote:

hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in
linux, and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks
without terminal and command line,
certainly i said goodbye to windows and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least
for many years!

On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think about it
for a second. Why would they make an operating system where you had to
type one command before any other command you type? Doesn't make sense,
does it? Also, remember that you are authenticating each time you do
this, even though it may be set up so that you don't need to use your
password each and every time, which ever command you use with sudo gets
elevated to root status. A little reading will tell you all you need to
know. I don't like it when people spread information that could harm
other people's machines or harm them in some way, accidentally is one
thing, but if you just say oh its ok, you're being intentionally
ignorant. Then, what happens if someone inexperienced comes along and
sees this and tries it, maybe nothing, maybe they type sudo rm -rf *
from the root directory, then bye bye machine.
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Re: Cloning drives

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I agree, but of course the original query was for a windows user. I'm not convinced anyone would want to run and install the Linux system and its screenreader merely to clone a drive.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cloning drives


The talking WinPE has programs for this, but I usually do this in Linux, since I think it does a better job.
Linux has a command-line tool built in for this, called DD.
Linux command-line is much like DOS.
If the drive you want to copy is called:
/dev/sda
And the drive you want to copy it to is
/dev/sdc
You would type:
Dd /dev/sda /dev/sdc
If you want to clone a partition into a single file, the command would be:
Dd /dev/sda dev/sdb/myfile.iso
You would not clone a drive onto itself, so you would have to direct it to another drive that is why you might direct it to something like /dev/sdb in that example.
But that is just an example of using the command-line in Linux, it works much like DOS.
But I use the GUI for things like web browsing, and eMail and text editing and manipulating files.
Glenn

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Cloning drives

It is but the ones I've used drop into a kind of temporary dos version so
you hear nothing, even errors if you run it.
Some do allow the cloning script to be written in windows and then it runs
in its own Os as neither drive can have a running windows on it during the
process as there is a swap file and other files locked and hence they will
not be faithfully copied unless you exit windows.
I've not tried it lately but it would be nice to know what works for those
with no sight at all.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Cloning drives


Would acronis work for that? I'm actually not sure if that's available on
PC. Good luck.


On May 22, 2018 6:10:39 AM "juan gonzalez" <jgonzalezh614@...>
wrote:

Good day all!
I am looking for software that works with NVDA to clone a hard disk to a
smaller SSD drive. Free would be preferred but if there isn't any than
any
works.


Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
using linux without command line is quite a nonsense, and perhaps a bit stupid.
If you want a really friendly operative system with gui, you have 2 choices: Windows, or MacOs.
NVDA *never* will run on linux.
Or perhaps with an emulator called Wine it can run, but it is quite unuseful since there are no windows operative system to read.
Linux has its screen reader that is Orca, but is not on my opinion robust like NVDA.

Il 23/05/2018 10:44, zahra ha scritto:
hello.
i wished to use linux,
but if it was exactly the same with windows!
i realy hate terminal,
i even cant use cmd on windows and prefer wizard and gui interface
that i can have my selection, rather than memorizing hundreds of
codes!
if i could install nvda and other softwares which i use on windows, in linux,
and i could do installation of softwares and other usual tasks without
terminal and command line,
certainly i said goodbye to windows and migrate to linux.
but unfortunately,
i believe that linux is not user friendly and becomes not, at least
for many years!
On 5/23/18, Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...> wrote:
I'm sorry, but if that's the impression you have, you are much mistaken.
This is not only advisable, it can be dangerous. Stop and think about it
for a second. Why would they make an operating system where you had to type
one command before any other command you type? Doesn't make sense, does it?
Also, remember that you are authenticating each time you do this, even
though it may be set up so that you don't need to use your password each
and every time, which ever command you use with sudo gets elevated to root
status. A little reading will tell you all you need to know. I don't like
it when people spread information that could harm other people's machines
or harm them in some way, accidentally is one thing, but if you just say oh
its ok, you're being intentionally ignorant. Then, what happens if someone
inexperienced comes along and sees this and tries it, maybe nothing, maybe
they type sudo rm -rf * from the root directory, then bye bye machine.


Re: What will be with Espeak NG?

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If you, like myself use Windows 7, then espeak is still the default. I think its only a change of preferences at the start if windows 10 is in as the Microsoft voices are supposedly better. I have to say this is debatable depending on what you want to use them for.

I hope that Espeak NG will continue to be built in as for me at least quick and dirty digital voices are much better than nice sounding ones that do not work at speed very well for my ears at any rate.

I would also suggest if its English uk people want then get the add on speech player in Espeak and use it with the old variants as the dodgy for, newsletter and other words have not yet been sorted in the version of ng in nvda it seems. I guess you can download the sapi 5 version of Espeak but I do not like that system as it enables all that is bad about Microsoft's abbreviation expanding system, which to my mind is far too USA centred.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] What will be with Espeak NG?


I have heard, that default synthesizer will be Windows Onecore and not Espeak NG. I have a question.
NVDA team will stop implement new versions of Espeak? Or, why this thing were happened?
Thank You.
Marco Oros


Re: What will be with Espeak NG?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Marco,

Actually we don't develop eSpeak to begin with.  We use eSpeak NG which has a GitHub repository and is open source, just like NVDA: https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

We are still including eSpeak NG with NVDA.  We are just changing the default synthesizer when you install it on Windows 10, to the Windows OneCore voices.  From talking with users, and importantly, with people who don't use NVDA (and why), we found that a lot of people "Like NVDA, but the voice is very robotic".  As much as we would encourage people to explore the settings and find a setup that works for them, the truth is, people, particularly when testing something new, will first try the default setup, and if something is too jarring (as eSpeak NG is for some users), they may stop using it and not come back, even though if they were using Windows 10, there are more human sounding voices available on their system.

So, for NVDA 2018.2, we are making Windows OneCore voice the default on Windows 10, but we will still bundle eSpeak with NVDA, and we know many advanced users will switch back to it, and that is fine.  Note if you already have NVDA installed and upgrade to NVDA 2018.2, it won't change what you have setup.

I hope that answers your question, but if you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
I have heard, that default synthesizer will be Windows Onecore and not Espeak NG. I have a question.
NVDA team will stop implement new versions of Espeak? Or, why this thing were happened?
Thank You.
Marco Oros






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