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Re: Best Synthesizer

Dr. J. michael jones
 

Your people are awesome I can’t read and reply right now but I will later thank you for all the feedback

On May 24, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear friend,

A synth depends on the person who uses it: I may like Vocalizer, but you may not... It is a matter of tastes.

All synth work well: Vocalizer, Eloquence, Espeak, Acapela... Certain are paid others are free.



Il 24/05/2018 13:59, Dr. J. michael jones ha scritto:
Thanks I’m confused. My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine. It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
(such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
best and get on with best. That may not be the same as what someone else
likes. These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows. The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices. Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer. it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality. sometimes, a synthesizer may
have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI. There is no reason
to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

*From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
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time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.

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Re: turning off nvda

Ervin, Glenn
 

Is there a good YouTube video out there on the basics of NVDA that I can direct my clients to?

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning off nvda

 

Hi Richard,

 

Gene gave you the instructions for exiting NVDA (NVDA+q, then ENTER - and note that the NVDA key will be either INSERT or CAPS LOCK depending on your setup).  One other thing I'll mention just in case it is of interest to you.  We have a "Basic Training for NVDA" module which you might be interested in.  The module is available in electronic text, audio and hardcopy Braille.  See https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ for details if you are interested.

 

Of course, you are most welcome to ask questions here, you may find that the training module answers some of them before you need to ask.

 

Kind regards,

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:59 PM, richard kurlander <r.kurlander@...> wrote:

how do you turn off nvda?





 

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Re: Best Synthesizer

Angela Delicata
 

Dear friend,

A synth depends on the person who uses it: I may like Vocalizer, but you may not... It is a matter of tastes.

All synth work well: Vocalizer, Eloquence, Espeak, Acapela... Certain are paid others are free.

Il 24/05/2018 13:59, Dr. J. michael jones ha scritto:
Thanks I’m confused. My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine. It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
(such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
best and get on with best. That may not be the same as what someone else
likes. These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows. The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices. Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer. it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality. sometimes, a synthesizer may
have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI. There is no reason
to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

*From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
--
The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.

Please reply to the list;
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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

Ervin, Glenn
 

Any web search on Linux and any specific CLI commands will give you results with sudo in front of them.

And if one posts to a Linux list with a problem with a command and one submits the command they did without the sudo, someone will tell them to use sudo.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

I'm sorry, this really shouldn't be here, but typing sudo before every command is *not* necessary.  As I said before, the only time the sudo command is needed is when you're running a system command.  General programs, (which most are), does not require a sudo command.  Sudo is only used when you're configuring the system, or doing something that requires root access, which is generally only when you're changing configuration files, or installing programs to the /usr/bin or /usr/sbin directories.  There are very few reasons to use sudo, and if you're using it before every command, then you're using it incorrectly.

 

On 5/22/2018 3:08 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Well, it is only open while I have the terminal open, and it is no more dangerous than using the windows “run as administrator” option that is in the applications menu.

Also, that is not messed up, anytime you type a command in Linux, you need to type sudo in front of it, unless you unlock it with sudo su or sudo –s.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] About Linux

 

Well, if you have to type sudo before each command, something is seriously messed up with your file permissions, you should be able to write anywhere in your own home directory. Also, telling someone to su into root is just downright dangerous, you could make sweeping changes with one command that could break the entire machine. Sudo is an administrative thing, it elevates your priveleges to do a command, and only that command, think of it like the secure UAC thing in windows, it elevates that program to administrative level until it finishes, like installers. Having programs permanently elevated to administrative level is dangerous, as it leaves the computer open to attack.

 

 

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how to use bluetooth

anthony borg
 

Hi folks
Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to a
mobile phone via bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
Anthony


Re: Best Synthesizer

Angela Delicata
 

Vocalizer is really good with nvda....

Il 24/05/2018 12:39, Artin Dekker ha scritto:
There are synthesizers like Vocalizer and Acapella, but these are paid. In Windows 10 you can also use the Windows Onecore voices.
Sincerely,
Artin Dekker


Op 24-5-2018 om 10:24 schreef Dr. J. michael jones:

Hello, what is the best sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports? I know it supports SAPI, but can it work with anything better?

Thanks for anything


Re: Best Synthesizer

Gene
 

I don't know if the owners of Dectalk license it to anyone these days, but the add on isn't a legally licensed product.  it is pirate software. 
 
I'm not making any judgments about whether any one uses it, but the list doesn't allow discussion of any illegal software, as is common among lists.  Doing so, potentially opens the list to legal action or being closed by Groups.io or whatever list serve it may be on.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Please don't get upset when I ask what makes the Dectalk  add on illegal?

On 5/24/2018 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
> The Dectalk add on is illegal and discussion is not allowed on list.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* erik burggraaf <mailto:erik@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>
> Synthesizers are all very preferencial.  I really like the espeak
> american varients though that makes me a bit of an oddball.  If you only
> want english language support the dektalk access add-on is outrageously
> good.  Much better than the phonix distrobution and in my experience,
> it's extremely fast and stable. Pronounciation is good.  Inflection is
> fine especially if you used dektalk a lot and liked it.  If not,
> inflection does some funny things that may take getting used to.
>
> Anyhow, google it up and see if you like it.  I think it's on a third
> party add-on site.
>
> Best,
>
> Erik
>
> On May 24, 2018 8:24:03 AM "Dr. J. michael jones"
> <j.michaeljones@...> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much of course are use eloquence with jaws but I’m
>> trying to put together an affordable machine for people in Africa NVDA
>> the only way to go and I’m just trying to create a better speech
>> output then what comes with a regular Windows platform.  I observe
>> what you were saying about sluggishness also speed pitch and tone are
>> affected as well again thanks
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gene <gsasner@...
>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of
>>> preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen
>>> pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you
>>> like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower
>>> responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech
>>> accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the
>>> newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There
>>> are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the
>>> NVDA page devoted to this topic:
>>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
>>> Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as
>>> well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale
>>> which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others
>>> can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of
>>> voices available for purchase have demos.
>>> I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as
>>> word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more
>>> natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Dr. J. michael jones <mailto:j.michaeljones@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I
>>> believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
>>> > On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone
>>> <antony.stone@...
>>> <mailto:antony.stone@...>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol
>>> enabling speech
>>> > applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other
>>> applications
>>> > (such as a browser).
>>> >
>>> > Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via
>>> SAPI, some
>>> > can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>>> >
>>> > As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says
>>> nothing at
>>> > all about the quality of its voices.
>>> >
>>> > Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
>>> > sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one
>>> you like
>>> > best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what
>>> someone else
>>> > likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Antony.
>>> >
>>> >> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>>> >> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>>> >> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> >>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> >>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> >>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
>>> >>> have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no
>>> reason
>>> >>> to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> >>> Gene
>>> >>>
>>> >>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io
>>> <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> >>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day
>>> now 😃
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety
>>> percent of the
>>> > time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent
>>> of the time.
>>> >
>>> > Please reply to the list;
>>> > please *don't* CC me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>




Re: Best Synthesizer

Don H
 

Please don't get upset when I ask what makes the Dectalk add on illegal?

On 5/24/2018 8:23 AM, Gene wrote:
The Dectalk add on is illegal and discussion is not allowed on list.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* erik burggraaf <mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
Synthesizers are all very preferencial.  I really like the espeak american varients though that makes me a bit of an oddball.  If you only want english language support the dektalk access add-on is outrageously good.  Much better than the phonix distrobution and in my experience, it's extremely fast and stable. Pronounciation is good.  Inflection is fine especially if you used dektalk a lot and liked it.  If not, inflection does some funny things that may take getting used to.
Anyhow, google it up and see if you like it.  I think it's on a third party add-on site.
Best,
Erik
On May 24, 2018 8:24:03 AM "Dr. J. michael jones" <j.michaeljones@live.com> wrote:

Thank you very much of course are use eloquence with jaws but I’m trying to put together an affordable machine for people in Africa NVDA the only way to go and I’m just trying to create a better speech output then what comes with a regular Windows platform.  I observe what you were saying about sluggishness also speed pitch and tone are affected as well again thanks


On May 24, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the NVDA page devoted to this topic:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of voices available for purchase have demos.
I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dr. J. michael jones <mailto:j.michaeljones@live.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone
<antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol
enabling speech
applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other
applications
(such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via
SAPI, some
can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says
nothing at
all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one
you like
best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what
someone else
likes.  These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices.  Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no
reason
to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

*From:* Chris via Groups.Io
<mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day
now 😃

--
The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety
percent of the
time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent
of the time.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.




Re: Best Synthesizer

Gene
 

The Dectalk add on is illegal and discussion is not allowed on list.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Synthesizers are all very preferencial.  I really like the espeak american varients though that makes me a bit of an oddball.  If you only want english language support the dektalk access add-on is outrageously good.  Much better than the phonix distrobution and in my experience, it's extremely fast and stable.  Pronounciation is good.  Inflection is fine especially if you used dektalk a lot and liked it.  If not, inflection does some funny things that may take getting used to.

Anyhow, google it up and see if you like it.  I think it's on a third party add-on site.

Best,

Erik

On May 24, 2018 8:24:03 AM "Dr. J. michael jones" <j.michaeljones@...> wrote:

Thank you very much of course are use eloquence with jaws but I’m trying to put together an affordable machine for people in Africa NVDA the only way to go and I’m just trying to create a better speech output then what comes with a regular Windows platform.  I observe what you were saying about sluggishness also speed pitch and tone are affected as well again thanks


On May 24, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the NVDA page devoted to this topic:
Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of voices available for purchase have demos. 
 
I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
> On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>
> SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
> applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
> (such as a browser).
>
> Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
> can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>
> As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
> all about the quality of its voices.
>
> Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
> sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
> best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what someone else
> likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
>> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>
>> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>
>>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
>>> have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no reason
>>> to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>>
>>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
>
> --
> The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
> time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.
>
>                                                   Please reply to the list;
>                                                         please *don't* CC me.
>
>
>




Re: Best Synthesizer

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Synthesizers are all very preferencial.  I really like the espeak american varients though that makes me a bit of an oddball.  If you only want english language support the dektalk access add-on is outrageously good.  Much better than the phonix distrobution and in my experience, it's extremely fast and stable.  Pronounciation is good.  Inflection is fine especially if you used dektalk a lot and liked it.  If not, inflection does some funny things that may take getting used to.

Anyhow, google it up and see if you like it.  I think it's on a third party add-on site.

Best,

Erik

On May 24, 2018 8:24:03 AM "Dr. J. michael jones" <j.michaeljones@...> wrote:

Thank you very much of course are use eloquence with jaws but I’m trying to put together an affordable machine for people in Africa NVDA the only way to go and I’m just trying to create a better speech output then what comes with a regular Windows platform.  I observe what you were saying about sluggishness also speed pitch and tone are affected as well again thanks


On May 24, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the NVDA page devoted to this topic:
Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of voices available for purchase have demos. 
 
I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
> On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>
> SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
> applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
> (such as a browser).
>
> Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
> can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>
> As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
> all about the quality of its voices.
>
> Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
> sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
> best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what someone else
> likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
>> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>
>> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>
>>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
>>> have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no reason
>>> to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>>
>>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
>
> --
> The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
> time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.
>
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>
>
>




look forthe intentone addon

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I am lookin for the intentone addon to make my life easier when coding in python.  I don't seem to be able to locate it in the Addons repository.  Can anyone point me to the appropriate site or send to me as an attachment?  Cheers and thanks.


Re: Best Synthesizer

Dr. J. michael jones
 

Thank you very much of course are use eloquence with jaws but I’m trying to put together an affordable machine for people in Africa NVDA the only way to go and I’m just trying to create a better speech output then what comes with a regular Windows platform.  I observe what you were saying about sluggishness also speed pitch and tone are affected as well again thanks


On May 24, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the NVDA page devoted to this topic:
Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of voices available for purchase have demos. 
 
I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
> On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>
> SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
> applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
> (such as a browser).
>
> Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
> can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>
> As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
> all about the quality of its voices.
>
> Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
> sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
> best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what someone else
> likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
>> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>
>> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>
>>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
>>> have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no reason
>>> to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>>
>>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
>
> --
> The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
> time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.
>
>                                                   Please reply to the list;
>                                                         please *don't* CC me.
>
>
>




Re: HELLO THERE

Darren Harris
 

Thank you. I did get the win10 app essentials addon. I believe the latest version of skype isn’t that accessible so is there an earlier version I can get? Windows 10 doesn’t come with skype preinstalled does it? I have business skype as I have my office 365 subscription but I’m not sure if I can use that for a normal skype account?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 24 May 2018 12:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] HELLO THERE

 

You can see all officially approved NVDA add ons on this page:

 

You may find and use unapproved add ons but they may not work properly or they may be malicious.  Those that are officially approved are reviewed by members of the NVDA community and are known to be safe and are expected to work properly. 

The page I sent a link for has a search field and, below the introductory text, are links to all officially approved add ons.  If you follow a link, you will get more information about the add on and a download link. 

there is a Winamp add on, but you may or not care about the extra functionality it provides.  I mentioned that one because you mentioned Winamp.  You may find add ons for other programs you mentioned, I never checked. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 3:54 AM

Subject: [nvda] HELLO THERE

 

Hi there,

 

I’m a new nvda user. I’m liking it so far I’m really impressed with it.

 

I’m just wondering about any good addons that might be useful. What do people favour using? I use programmes like iTunes and winamp and skype. I haven’t yet downloaded skype onto my new machine as I’m told it’s not that accessible. Would like more information on this.


Re: how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

Gene
 

That is all I know about that possible solution. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

hi quentin.
i tried your method and unfortunately did not change the problem for me.
hi gene.
adding space for replacement in voice dictionary sometimes resolves
the problem and in some cases and sentences the issue is unfortunately
persist.
what should i do to never hear any punctuation specially in sayAll and
its better if its be possible when navigating line by line?
thanks extremely for your help, God bless you all!

On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You would type a space in the replacement field.  This will probably work.
>
>
> Gene
> Gene
>
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:10 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not
> announce punctuation?
>
>
> as i said before,
> i use nvda 2016.4 forever.
> but it does not matter, i have this issue since nvda 2016.2 (which
> changed to espeak ng).
> i know that i should find speech dictionaries and find voice dictionary.
> then press enter on add button and in the pattern type my punctuation
> which i dont want to hear in sayAll,
> then what exactly should i type in replacement that nvda never does
> not announce this punctuation at all when using sayAll and i hear it
> only when i need editing documents by navigating letter by letter?
>
> On 5/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Which version of nvda do you have at the moment. Obviously this could be
>> a
>> Persian only issue, but I have occasionally noticed that in order to say
>> every punctuation entry some need to be altered in the  punctuation list
>> to
>>
>> always, in more than one place.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>; "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not
>> announce punctuation?
>>
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> when espeak became espeak ng, it had many improvements and goodnesses
>>> for persian users.
>>> but it faced some problems as well.
>>> espeak sometimes  announce some punctuations like kama in persian and
>>> one other more that i dont know there spelling in english.
>>> i set punctuation none, but sometimes espeak does not respect my
>>> choice and announce some punctuation.
>>> hearing punctuations is very annoying for me and i dont want to nvda
>>> announces them unless when navigating letter by letter.
>>> but the problem occures even in sayAll, that i dont need editing and i
>>> only want to study books and articles.
>>> i sincerely appreciate your help and pray for you, God bless you all!
>>>
>>> --
>>> By God,
>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>>> with all they contain
>>> in order that
>>> I may disobey God
>>> by depriving an ant
>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>>> I would not do it.
>>> imam ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Best Synthesizer

Gene
 

There is wide disagreement of what the best is.  it's a matter of preference and taste.  it's like asking what is the best frozen pizza.  Do you like older synthesizers such as Eloquence or do you like newer ones, with more human sounding voices but slower responsiveness and, in my opinion, significantly degraded speech accuracy in most of them?  I don't recall the names of any of the newer ones because I dislike most of them and don't use them.  There are a lot of synthesizers you can try or get information about on the NVDA page devoted to this topic:
Also, on this page, the Eloquence add on that offers other voices as well is discussed.  There is a SAPI five Eloquence available for sale which is far superior, if you are interested in Eloquence.  Others can tell you more about it if you are interested.  And a lot of voices available for purchase have demos. 
 
I'll add that some people use a responsive voice for work, such as word processing and other tasks, but use one of the newer more natural voices for listening, such as when reading a book. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
> On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>
> SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
> applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
> (such as a browser).
>
> Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
> can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>
> As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
> all about the quality of its voices.
>
> Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
> sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
> best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what someone else
> likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
>> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>
>> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>
>>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer may
>>> have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no reason
>>> to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>>
>>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
>
> --
> The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
> time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.
>
>                                                   Please reply to the list;
>                                                         please *don't* CC me.
>
>
>




Re: What will be with Espeak NG?

Marco Oros
 

OK, but when will be new version of Espeak NG on NVDA?


Re: how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

 

hi quentin.
i tried your method and unfortunately did not change the problem for me.
hi gene.
adding space for replacement in voice dictionary sometimes resolves
the problem and in some cases and sentences the issue is unfortunately
persist.
what should i do to never hear any punctuation specially in sayAll and
its better if its be possible when navigating line by line?
thanks extremely for your help, God bless you all!

On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You would type a space in the replacement field. This will probably work.


Gene
Gene


From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not
announce punctuation?


as i said before,
i use nvda 2016.4 forever.
but it does not matter, i have this issue since nvda 2016.2 (which
changed to espeak ng).
i know that i should find speech dictionaries and find voice dictionary.
then press enter on add button and in the pattern type my punctuation
which i dont want to hear in sayAll,
then what exactly should i type in replacement that nvda never does
not announce this punctuation at all when using sayAll and i hear it
only when i need editing documents by navigating letter by letter?

On 5/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Which version of nvda do you have at the moment. Obviously this could be
a
Persian only issue, but I have occasionally noticed that in order to say
every punctuation entry some need to be altered in the punctuation list
to

always, in more than one place.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>; "Mary Otten" <motten53@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not
announce punctuation?


hello every one.
when espeak became espeak ng, it had many improvements and goodnesses
for persian users.
but it faced some problems as well.
espeak sometimes announce some punctuations like kama in persian and
one other more that i dont know there spelling in english.
i set punctuation none, but sometimes espeak does not respect my
choice and announce some punctuation.
hearing punctuations is very annoying for me and i dont want to nvda
announces them unless when navigating letter by letter.
but the problem occures even in sayAll, that i dont need editing and i
only want to study books and articles.
i sincerely appreciate your help and pray for you, God bless you all!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: open parent document?

Gene
 

I'm not sure it matters, but what browser are you using?  I saw the problem discussed a long time ago on another list but I don't recall the solution now. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] open parent document?

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:54:50, Ann Byrne wrote:

> A link to a probably .pdf says only "Open parent document
> button".  Pressing enter on the button does nothing.  How doI open
> this thing????

Is this on a web page, and if so, please can you tell us the URL of that page
so we can see it for ourselves?

If it's not on a web page, where have you found this link?


Antony.

--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

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Re: Best Synthesizer

Dr. J. michael jones
 

Thanks I’m confused. My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion

On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine. It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
(such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
best and get on with best. That may not be the same as what someone else
likes. These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows. The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices. Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer. it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality. sometimes, a synthesizer may
have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI. There is no reason
to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

*From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
--
The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.

Please reply to the list;
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Re: open parent document?

Antony Stone
 

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:54:50, Ann Byrne wrote:

A link to a probably .pdf says only "Open parent document
button". Pressing enter on the button does nothing. How doI open
this thing????
Is this on a web page, and if so, please can you tell us the URL of that page
so we can see it for ourselves?

If it's not on a web page, where have you found this link?


Antony.

--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

- Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

Please reply to the list;
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