Date   

Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Gene


I knew they had disabled the functionality back in windows 7 but did not realize how long ago it was.


In the machines i use now the run or install option under the auto play menu is disabled as well. for nvda to be used on a CD it had to be enabled but have not even gone down that route for so long as a usb stick is much smaller and you can get nvda up and running on a new machine quickly if you know what to do.


Gene nz



On 5/25/2018 11:21 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is an article from Microsoft discussing changes made to Windows 7 at some point after its release.  Autorun was disabled, autoplay wasn't. 
These changes, though this isn't discussed in the article, remain in all later Windows versions.  This wasn't stated in the article because the article was written before any later versions were released.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Hi


If i remember right they disabled the autoplay menu so it did not work
any more.


I know what you are talking about it was the first option in the
autoplay menu and you just pushed the enter key to start your copy of nvda.


I am not sure if it can still be done I would have to enable the auto
play menu to see.

I think they made it so it can not be done any more but could be wrong.


can not even remember if I still have a copy of the autorun file to try
it with.


Gene nz



On 5/25/2018 9:52 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
> When I first started to use NVDA, I put it on a thumb drive in its own
> folder but had an "autorun" file in the root.  Plugging in the drive
> made the system execute the commands in the autorun file which started
> NVDA.  Haven't done this lately, though.  Might it still work?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
> <hurrikennyandopo@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
> flash drive
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> usually when i do a portable version of nvda i usually put it into a
>> folder called nvda and all of its files go into that. it means i can
>> also have other folders and keep it better structured rather than having
>> files all over the place. Plus it is easier to start nvda.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/2018 10:52 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
>>> Maybe I shouldn't, but I have always used NVDA Portable on the root of
>>> my USB media. Other than personal preference, is there any reason for
>>> me to stop this practice? Thanks and I will appreciate all information
>>> on this topic.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/23/2018 4:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer
>>>> not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here
>>>> that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is
>>>> much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of
>>>> windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software.
>>>> Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner
>>>> installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at
>>>> least the next time you need to use it it has the best access it can.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
>>>> flash drive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
>>>>> gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> How do I run it on another lap top computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Gene
 

Here is an article from Microsoft discussing changes made to Windows 7 at some point after its release.  Autorun was disabled, autoplay wasn't. 
These changes, though this isn't discussed in the article, remain in all later Windows versions.  This wasn't stated in the article because the article was written before any later versions were released.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Hi


If i remember right they disabled the autoplay menu so it did not work
any more.


I know what you are talking about it was the first option in the
autoplay menu and you just pushed the enter key to start your copy of nvda.


I am not sure if it can still be done I would have to enable the auto
play menu to see.

I think they made it so it can not be done any more but could be wrong.


can not even remember if I still have a copy of the autorun file to try
it with.


Gene nz



On 5/25/2018 9:52 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
> When I first started to use NVDA, I put it on a thumb drive in its own
> folder but had an "autorun" file in the root.  Plugging in the drive
> made the system execute the commands in the autorun file which started
> NVDA.  Haven't done this lately, though.  Might it still work?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
> <hurrikennyandopo@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
> flash drive
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> usually when i do a portable version of nvda i usually put it into a
>> folder called nvda and all of its files go into that. it means i can
>> also have other folders and keep it better structured rather than having
>> files all over the place. Plus it is easier to start nvda.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/2018 10:52 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
>>> Maybe I shouldn't, but I have always used NVDA Portable on the root of
>>> my USB media. Other than personal preference, is there any reason for
>>> me to stop this practice? Thanks and I will appreciate all information
>>> on this topic.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/23/2018 4:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer
>>>> not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here
>>>> that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is
>>>> much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of
>>>> windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software.
>>>> Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner
>>>> installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at
>>>> least the next time you need to use it it has the best access it can.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
>>>> flash drive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
>>>>> gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> How do I run it on another lap top computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If i remember right they disabled the autoplay menu so it did not work
any more.


I know what you are talking about it was the first option in the
autoplay menu and you just pushed the enter key to start your copy of nvda.


I am not sure if it can still be done I would have to enable the auto
play menu to see.

I think they made it so it can not be done any more but could be wrong.


can not even remember if I still have a copy of the autorun file to try
it with.


Gene nz

On 5/25/2018 9:52 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
When I first started to use NVDA, I put it on a thumb drive in its own
folder but had an "autorun" file in the root.  Plugging in the drive
made the system execute the commands in the autorun file which started
NVDA.  Haven't done this lately, though.  Might it still work?


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
flash drive


Hi


usually when i do a portable version of nvda i usually put it into a
folder called nvda and all of its files go into that. it means i can
also have other folders and keep it better structured rather than having
files all over the place. Plus it is easier to start nvda.


Gene nz



On 5/24/2018 10:52 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have always used NVDA Portable on the root of
my USB media. Other than personal preference, is there any reason for
me to stop this practice? Thanks and I will appreciate all information
on this topic.


On 5/23/2018 4:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer
not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here
that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is
much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of
windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software.
Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner
installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at
least the next time you need to use it it has the best access it can.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
flash drive


Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.


On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:

I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash
drive.
How do I run it on another lap top computer?











Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

When I first started to use NVDA, I put it on a thumb drive in its own folder but had an "autorun" file in the root. Plugging in the drive made the system execute the commands in the autorun file which started
NVDA. Haven't done this lately, though. Might it still work?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive


Hi


usually when i do a portable version of nvda i usually put it into a
folder called nvda and all of its files go into that. it means i can
also have other folders and keep it better structured rather than having
files all over the place. Plus it is easier to start nvda.


Gene nz



On 5/24/2018 10:52 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have always used NVDA Portable on the root of
my USB media. Other than personal preference, is there any reason for
me to stop this practice? Thanks and I will appreciate all information
on this topic.


On 5/23/2018 4:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer
not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here
that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is
much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of
windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software.
Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner
installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at
least the next time you need to use it it has the best access it can.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
flash drive


Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.


On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:

I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash drive.
How do I run it on another lap top computer?








Re: how to use bluetooth

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Are you swaying that blue tooth does not work with NVDA?

----- Original Message -----
From: "anthony borg" <anthonyborg001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth


Ok thanks rosemarie.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10 list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks
Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to a
mobile phone via bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
Anthony




Re: Best Synthesizer

Chris Mullins
 

It depends what you are using it for as to what is "best". You can get more human sounding voices which are good for reading text and you can have electronic sounding voices which are much more responsive when being used when programming for example. As someone else posted, it's the one that suits you.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. J. michael jones
Sent: 24 May 2018 13:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused. My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine. It's a definition of a protocol enabling speech
applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other applications
(such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via SAPI, some
can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says nothing at
all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one you like
best and get on with best. That may not be the same as what someone else
likes. These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows. The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices. Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer. it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality. sometimes, a synthesizer may
have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI. There is no reason
to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

*From:* Chris via Groups.Io <mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now 😃
--
The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the
time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.



Re: How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB flash drive

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


usually when i do a portable version of nvda i usually put it into a
folder called nvda and all of its files go into that. it means i can
also have other folders and keep it better structured rather than having
files all over the place. Plus it is easier to start nvda.


Gene nz

On 5/24/2018 10:52 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't, but I have always used NVDA Portable on the root of
my USB media. Other than personal preference, is there any reason for
me to stop this practice? Thanks and I will appreciate all information
on this topic.


On 5/23/2018 4:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That very much depends how you copied it. I think most people prefer
not to have nvda in the root of the ram drive. I would also add here
that in Windows 10, the usability of a portable version of nvda is
much reduced over using it in Windows 7, mainly due to many parts of
windows only being given access to for an installed bit of software.
Thus you might consider with the permission of the machines owner
installing nvda on the machine but not making it auto start, so at
least the next time you  need to use it it has the best access it can.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How do I run a portable copy of NVDA from a USB
flash drive


Just insert the USB Flash Drive, determine the drive letter Windows
gives it, press WIN-KEY+R, type DriveLetter:\NVDA and it will launch.


On 5/22/2018 2:57 PM, Don wrote:

I have successfully created a portable copy of NVDA on my flash drive.
How do I run it on another lap top computer?






Re: HELLO THERE

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you are not sure where to get the official add ons from when nvda is running press the nvda key + letter N a menu will pop up then arrow down to tools then a sub menu will appear then arrow down to manage add ons then press the enter key. A new screen will appear where there are buttons tab to the get add ons button then press the enter key and your browser will open.


There will be a list of add ons you can use.



Do you know how to install them? if you are interested i have put together a web site that may help you it all so includes installing add ons and alot more in written and audio. it is only for the desk top version of nvda.

it also has a tutorial for winamp and skype etc. it can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
There are links on the main page  that are blindness related as well as nvda related. You will find also if you go into one of the nvda pages it is a website inside of a website  so you can bookmark one of the nvda pages and it will have links to all nvda pages you will see what i mean.

hope it helps.

Gene nz

On 5/24/2018 8:54 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi there,

 

I’m a new nvda user. I’m liking it so far I’m really impressed with it.

 

I’m just wondering about any good addons that might be useful. What do people favour using? I use programmes like iTunes and winamp and skype. I haven’t yet downloaded skype onto my new machine as I’m told it’s not that accessible. Would like more information on this.



Re: how to use bluetooth

Gene
 

I said nothing about your intent nor did I assume what it is.  I'm saying that if you say something like this list is for NVDA, you are saying or implying that the message is off topic and not appropriate for the list.  That is in conflict with the long practice of the list, which is to allow some off topic content. 
 
I have no reason to question your motivation.  And I don't think you intended to send moderation-like messages to the list.  But the question is how the messages appear, not of your intent.  I hope that you will consider these points and not view it as a contest where some people disagree and others agree in support of you.  I'm asking you to consider what I am saying and see if you understand and agree with it. 
 
If you send messages that appear to be moderation messages, then regardless of your intentions, the messages will be interpreted as moderation messages.  I hope you now understand why. 
 
Gene
 

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


Thanks for backing me up. Yes, all I was trying to do was give helpful
advice--not play the part of a moderator. I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie


On 5/24/2018 11:52 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
> To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not appropriate
> for this list.  She said that the question might be more appropriate for
> another list.
>
> For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here" and
> "you might get better responses if you ask over there".
>
> One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:
>
>> Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate.  the list allows
>> a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for
>> years.  List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members
>> who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list.  It isn't
>> specific to this list, but a general expectation.  If you want to suggest
>> that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one
>> thing.  But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the
>> list is about NVDA is moderating.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth
>>
>> Hi, Anthony,
>>
>>
>> This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
>> list. This list is for NVDA.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
>>> Hi folks
>>> Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to
>>> a mobile phone via bluetooth?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Anthony




Re: how to use bluetooth

Gene
 

it isn't a rule, but my understanding of how people may understand such comments and how they conflict with long practice on the list of allowing some off topic content.  Of course, if the list owner disagrees, he is the final word.
 
Gene
----- original message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Thanks for clarifying the rules.  I had not previously realised that telling
someone that "this list is for NVDA" was a potential problem.  I hope everyone
here can learn a lesson from this.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 21:17:52, Gene wrote:

> After she said that the message would be more appropriate for another list,
> she said, this list is for NVDA.  This is the second such message she sent
> in the last day, the other regarding a Braille display.  In both, she
> said, this list is for NVDA,  That is moderation.  the list allows a
> certain amount of off topic discussion.  I wouldn't have raised the matter
> at all if there had been only one such message, nor would I have raised it
> if the messages had just said something like, you may get better answers
> on a different list or this question would be better asked on a Windows 10
> list or something of the sort.  But they went further.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:52 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth
>
>
> To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not
> appropriate for this list.  She said that the question might be more
> appropriate for another list.
>
> For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here"
> and "you might get better responses if you ask over there".
>
> One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:
> > Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate.  the list
> > allows a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a
> > member for years.  List owners and moderators on lists in general don't
> > want members who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the
> > list.  It isn't specific to this list, but a general expectation.  If
> > you want to suggest that the person might get better answers on another
> > list, that's one thing.  But discussing appropriateness of messages and
> > saying that the list is about NVDA is moderating.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> > Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth
> >
> > Hi, Anthony,
> >
> >
> > This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
> > list. This list is for NVDA.
> >
> >
> > Rosemarie
> >
> > On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
> > > Hi folks
> > > Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop
> > > to a mobile phone via bluetooth?
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Anthony

--
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals was formed in 1824.
The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children was not formed
until 1884.
That says something about the British.

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.



Re: open parent document?

Ann Byrne
 

At 06:57 AM 5/24/2018, you wrote:
On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:54:50, Ann Byrne wrote:

A link to a probably .pdf says only "Open parent document
button". Pressing enter on the button does nothing. How doI open
this thing????
Is this on a web page, and if so, please can you tell us the URL of that page
so we can see it for ourselves?

If it's not on a web page, where have you found this link?


Antony.

--
Anyone that's normal doesn't really achieve much.

- Mark Blair, Australian rocket engineer

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: how to use bluetooth

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Anthony,


Thanks for backing me up. Yes, all I was trying to do was give helpful advice--not play the part of a moderator. I won't say anything more.


Rosemarie

On 5/24/2018 11:52 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not appropriate
for this list. She said that the question might be more appropriate for
another list.

For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here" and
"you might get better responses if you ask over there".

One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:

Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate. the list allows
a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for
years. List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members
who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list. It isn't
specific to this list, but a general expectation. If you want to suggest
that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one
thing. But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the
list is about NVDA is moderating.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie

On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks
Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to
a mobile phone via bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
Anthony


Pleasant Surprise (Google-news page+NVDA+Firefox+Win7)

Laurie Mehta
 

Hi all,

I enjoy reading news via Google's news page news dot google dot com.
But for a while now that page had been changed to appear less accessibly in Firefox. I shared my feedback with Google and they promised an update was coming. Well it apparently has!

I have Windows 7 on this laptop and Firefox 59.02, and am using NVDA 18.1.

The page that loaded when I typed news.google.com is laid out very nicely with headings marking all section titles and links placed on each story and news source listed under each heading. The placement of a link saying more (with section title following) might be better placed under the list of news stories (in my opinion) but it is also fine as it is.
I wanted to share with you NVDA users in case you, like me, had switched to Chrome for viewing the news page back when the less accessible news page launched. It's nice to know that we can use either Firefox or Chrome for Google's news page, and that Google fixed the problem.

Here is the url copied from my viewing, since others' preferences might display something else:

https://news.google.com/?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

-LM


Re: how to use bluetooth

Antony Stone
 

Thanks for clarifying the rules. I had not previously realised that telling
someone that "this list is for NVDA" was a potential problem. I hope everyone
here can learn a lesson from this.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 21:17:52, Gene wrote:

After she said that the message would be more appropriate for another list,
she said, this list is for NVDA. This is the second such message she sent
in the last day, the other regarding a Braille display. In both, she
said, this list is for NVDA, That is moderation. the list allows a
certain amount of off topic discussion. I wouldn't have raised the matter
at all if there had been only one such message, nor would I have raised it
if the messages had just said something like, you may get better answers
on a different list or this question would be better asked on a Windows 10
list or something of the sort. But they went further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth


To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not
appropriate for this list. She said that the question might be more
appropriate for another list.

For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here"
and "you might get better responses if you ask over there".

One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:
Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate. the list
allows a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a
member for years. List owners and moderators on lists in general don't
want members who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the
list. It isn't specific to this list, but a general expectation. If
you want to suggest that the person might get better answers on another
list, that's one thing. But discussing appropriateness of messages and
saying that the list is about NVDA is moderating.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie

On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks
Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop
to a mobile phone via bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
Anthony
--
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals was formed in 1824.
The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children was not formed
until 1884.
That says something about the British.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: how to use bluetooth

Gene
 

I am doing my job.  Are you aware that I am the moderator?  If you have complaints about how I rung the list, and I almost never do anything, because the list almost runs itself, please address messages commenting on the matter to the owner's address at the bottom of each message.  Both the owner and I will see the messages and one or both of us will respond.
 
If you can document some sort of pattern of criticizing almost every message on the list, I would be interested and the owner would be as well.  I try to promote a relaxed, helpful atmosphere and if you believe I am not managing the list well, you have every right to complain.  However, I think you'll have a problem documenting your claim. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Well if you did your job properly , instead of criticising everyone’s response to every reply on every topic on this list, then this wouldn’t be a issue

 

But I guess cant help yourself 😃

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 24 May 2018 17:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

 

Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate.  the list allows a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for years.  List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list.  It isn't specific to this list, but a general expectation.  If you want to suggest that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one thing.  But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the list is about NVDA is moderating. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10 list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
> Hi folks
> Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to a
> mobile phone via bluetooth?
> Thanks in advance
> Anthony
>
>
>
>






 


Re: how to use bluetooth

Gene
 

After she said that the message would be more appropriate for another list, she said, this list is for NVDA.  This is the second such message she sent in the last day, the other regarding a Braille display.  In both, she said, this list is for NVDA,  That is moderation.  the list allows a certain amount of off topic discussion.  I wouldn't have raised the matter at all if there had been only one such message, nor would I have raised it if the messages had just said something like, you may get better answers on a different list or this question would be better asked on a Windows 10 list or something of the sort.  But they went further.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not appropriate
for this list.  She said that the question might be more appropriate for
another list.

For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here" and
"you might get better responses if you ask over there".

One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:

> Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate.  the list allows
> a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for
> years.  List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members
> who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list.  It isn't
> specific to this list, but a general expectation.  If you want to suggest
> that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one
> thing.  But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the
> list is about NVDA is moderating.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth
>
> Hi, Anthony,
>
>
> This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
> list. This list is for NVDA.
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
> > Hi folks
> > Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to
> > a mobile phone via bluetooth?
> > Thanks in advance
> > Anthony

--
My life is going completely according to plan.

I do sometimes wish it had been *my* plan, though.

                                                   Please reply to the list;
                                                         please *don't* CC me.



Re: how to use bluetooth

Chris
 

Well if you did your job properly , instead of criticising everyone’s response to every reply on every topic on this list, then this wouldn’t be a issue

 

But I guess cant help yourself 😃

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 24 May 2018 17:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

 

Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate.  the list allows a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for years.  List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list.  It isn't specific to this list, but a general expectation.  If you want to suggest that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one thing.  But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the list is about NVDA is moderating. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10 list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie




On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
> Hi folks
> Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to a
> mobile phone via bluetooth?
> Thanks in advance
> Anthony
>
>
>
>






 


Re: how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Try to add the following lines to your Symbols.ini:

، none never # ،
؛ none never # ؛

Rui Fontes



Às 19:13 de 24/05/2018, zahra escreveu:

hello jonathan.
yes, my problem is for two punctuations in farsi and does not affect
latin documents.
as i dont know there spelling in english, i just type the punctuation hear.
،؛
On 5/24/18, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:
Hello,

I know very little about the Arabic or Farsi languages. I assume the
punctuation you are looking at is not Latin based? Even so, I believe the
UNICODE standard (which is not always used by Windows systems), defines
which codes should be punctuation for the alphabet being encoded. Also,
sometimes the same symbol can have different ways to be represented in
Unicode since even though the graphic looks the same there are different
meanings for the symbol. A good example of this is that the dash and the
minus sign in Latin alphabets usually look identical, but there is a
different UNICODE representation. Another place this happens is accented
characters, where often these can be represented as two characters in one
location or as one character.

In any case, it would be good to try and provide the details of the issues
to NVDA developers so that all folks using the symbols you are having issues
with can have the problems resolved. Also, in at least Latin based
languages, some punctuation has significantly different interpretation when
in the middle of a word or number and NVDA can support these
differentiations.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan


On 5/24/18, 12:10 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of zahra"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

is there any solution for changing voice dictionary according to my
need?

On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
> That is all I know about that possible solution.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:04 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to
espeak not
> announce punctuation?
>
>
> hi quentin.
> i tried your method and unfortunately did not change the problem for
me.
> hi gene.
> adding space for replacement in voice dictionary sometimes resolves
> the problem and in some cases and sentences the issue is
unfortunately
> persist.
> what should i do to never hear any punctuation specially in sayAll
and
> its better if its be possible when navigating line by line?
> thanks extremely for your help, God bless you all!
>
> On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
>> You would type a space in the replacement field. This will probably
>> work.
>>
>>
>> Gene
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> From: zahra
>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:10 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to
espeak
>> not
>> announce punctuation?
>>
>>
>> as i said before,
>> i use nvda 2016.4 forever.
>> but it does not matter, i have this issue since nvda 2016.2 (which
>> changed to espeak ng).
>> i know that i should find speech dictionaries and find voice
dictionary.
>> then press enter on add button and in the pattern type my
punctuation
>> which i dont want to hear in sayAll,
>> then what exactly should i type in replacement that nvda never does
>> not announce this punctuation at all when using sayAll and i hear it
>> only when i need editing documents by navigating letter by letter?
>>
>> On 5/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>>> Which version of nvda do you have at the moment. Obviously this
could be
>>> a
>>> Persian only issue, but I have occasionally noticed that in order to
say
>>> every punctuation entry some need to be altered in the punctuation
list
>>> to
>>>
>>> always, in more than one place.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
>>> To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>; "Mary Otten" <motten53@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak
not
>>> announce punctuation?
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello every one.
>>>> when espeak became espeak ng, it had many improvements and
goodnesses
>>>> for persian users.
>>>> but it faced some problems as well.
>>>> espeak sometimes announce some punctuations like kama in persian
and
>>>> one other more that i dont know there spelling in english.
>>>> i set punctuation none, but sometimes espeak does not respect my
>>>> choice and announce some punctuation.
>>>> hearing punctuations is very annoying for me and i dont want to
nvda
>>>> announces them unless when navigating letter by letter.
>>>> but the problem occures even in sayAll, that i dont need editing
and i
>>>> only want to study books and articles.
>>>> i sincerely appreciate your help and pray for you, God bless you
all!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> By God,
>>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>>>> with all they contain
>>>> in order that
>>>> I may disobey God
>>>> by depriving an ant
>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>>>> I would not do it.
>>>> imam ali
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali









Re: how to use bluetooth

Antony Stone
 

To be fair to Rosemarie, she did not say that this message was not appropriate
for this list. She said that the question might be more appropriate for
another list.

For me, that's the difference between saying "you should not ask that here" and
"you might get better responses if you ask over there".

One is playing moderator; the other is simply giving helpful advice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 18:56:13, Gene wrote:

Please stop telling people what messages are appropriate. the list allows
a certain amount of off topic traffic and has since I've been a member for
years. List owners and moderators on lists in general don't want members
who aren't moderators, sending moderation messages to the list. It isn't
specific to this list, but a general expectation. If you want to suggest
that the person might get better answers on another list, that's one
thing. But discussing appropriateness of messages and saying that the
list is about NVDA is moderating.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: 24 May 2018 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use bluetooth

Hi, Anthony,


This question would be more appropriate for a list like the windows 10
list. This list is for NVDA.


Rosemarie

On 5/24/2018 7:12 AM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi folks
Can somebody please explain to me how to transfer an mp3 from a laptop to
a mobile phone via bluetooth?
Thanks in advance
Anthony
--
My life is going completely according to plan.

I do sometimes wish it had been *my* plan, though.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

Gene
 

To be sure the punctuation matches what you are trying to do, try selecting and copying it to the clipboard when you see it in a document.  Then try pasting it into the speech dictionary.  While there may be another reason you are being unsuccessful, my guess is that the problem is that what you are typing is different from what is in the document in some way.  This procedure should eliminate any possible difference.  Try copying and pasting instead of typing for the punctuation marks you are unsuccessul with.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak not announce punctuation?

hello jonathan.
yes, my problem is for two punctuations in farsi and does not affect
latin documents.
as i dont know there spelling in english, i just type the punctuation hear.
،؛

On 5/24/18, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know very little about the Arabic or Farsi languages. I assume the
> punctuation you are looking at is not Latin based? Even so, I believe the
> UNICODE standard (which is not always used by Windows systems), defines
> which codes should be punctuation for the alphabet being encoded. Also,
> sometimes the same symbol can have different ways to be represented in
> Unicode since even though the graphic looks the same there are different
> meanings for the symbol. A good example of this is that the dash and the
> minus sign in Latin alphabets usually look identical, but there is a
> different UNICODE representation. Another place this happens is accented
> characters, where often these can be represented as two characters in one
> location or as one character.
>
> In any case, it would be good to try and provide the details of the issues
> to NVDA developers so that all folks using the symbols you are having issues
> with can have the problems resolved. Also, in at least Latin based
> languages, some punctuation has significantly different interpretation when
> in the middle of a word or number and NVDA can support these
> differentiations.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 5/24/18, 12:10 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of zahra"
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>
>     is there any solution for changing voice dictionary according to my
> need?
>
>     On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>     > That is all I know about that possible solution.
>     >
>     > Gene
>     > ----- Original Message -----
>     >
>     > From: zahra
>     > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:04 AM
>     > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>     > Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to
> espeak not
>     > announce punctuation?
>     >
>     >
>     > hi quentin.
>     > i tried your method and unfortunately did not change the problem for
> me.
>     > hi gene.
>     > adding space for replacement in voice dictionary sometimes resolves
>     > the problem and in some cases and sentences the issue is
> unfortunately
>     > persist.
>     > what should i do to never hear any punctuation specially in sayAll
> and
>     > its better if its be possible when navigating line by line?
>     > thanks extremely for your help, God bless you all!
>     >
>     > On 5/24/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>     >> You would type a space in the replacement field.  This will probably
>     >> work.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Gene
>     >> Gene
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> From: zahra
>     >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:10 AM
>     >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>     >> Subject: Re: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to
> espeak
>     >> not
>     >> announce punctuation?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> as i said before,
>     >> i use nvda 2016.4 forever.
>     >> but it does not matter, i have this issue since nvda 2016.2 (which
>     >> changed to espeak ng).
>     >> i know that i should find speech dictionaries and find voice
> dictionary.
>     >> then press enter on add button and in the pattern type my
> punctuation
>     >> which i dont want to hear in sayAll,
>     >> then what exactly should i type in replacement that nvda never does
>     >> not announce this punctuation at all when using sayAll and i hear it
>     >> only when i need editing documents by navigating letter by letter?
>     >>
>     >> On 5/24/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>     >> <bglists@...> wrote:
>     >>> Which version of nvda do you have at the moment. Obviously this
> could be
>     >>> a
>     >>> Persian only issue, but I have occasionally noticed that in order to
> say
>     >>> every punctuation entry some need to be altered in the  punctuation
> list
>     >>> to
>     >>>
>     >>> always, in more than one place.
>     >>>  Brian
>     >>>
>     >>> bglists@...
>     >>> Sent via blueyonder.
>     >>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>     >>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>     >>> in the display name field.
>     >>> ----- Original Message -----
>     >>> From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>     >>> To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>; "Mary Otten" <motten53@...>
>     >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>     >>> Subject: [nvda] how can i change voice dictionary in nvda to espeak
> not
>     >>> announce punctuation?
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> hello every one.
>     >>>> when espeak became espeak ng, it had many improvements and
> goodnesses
>     >>>> for persian users.
>     >>>> but it faced some problems as well.
>     >>>> espeak sometimes  announce some punctuations like kama in persian
> and
>     >>>> one other more that i dont know there spelling in english.
>     >>>> i set punctuation none, but sometimes espeak does not respect my
>     >>>> choice and announce some punctuation.
>     >>>> hearing punctuations is very annoying for me and i dont want to
> nvda
>     >>>> announces them unless when navigating letter by letter.
>     >>>> but the problem occures even in sayAll, that i dont need editing
> and i
>     >>>> only want to study books and articles.
>     >>>> i sincerely appreciate your help and pray for you, God bless you
> all!
>     >>>>
>     >>>> --
>     >>>> By God,
>     >>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>     >>>> with all they contain
>     >>>> in order that
>     >>>> I may disobey God
>     >>>> by depriving an ant
>     >>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>     >>>> I would not do it.
>     >>>> imam ali
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> By God,
>     >> were I given all the seven heavens
>     >> with all they contain
>     >> in order that
>     >> I may disobey God
>     >> by depriving an ant
>     >> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>     >> I would not do it.
>     >> imam ali
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > By God,
>     > were I given all the seven heavens
>     > with all they contain
>     > in order that
>     > I may disobey God
>     > by depriving an ant
>     > from the husk of a grain of barley,
>     > I would not do it.
>     > imam ali
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>     --
>     By God,
>     were I given all the seven heavens
>     with all they contain
>     in order that
>     I may disobey God
>     by depriving an ant
>     from the husk of a grain of barley,
>     I would not do it.
>     imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali