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Re: Fly Outs?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


When I click on a file type that Windows doesn't recognize, I get this fly out business.  It asks me what program I want to use and gives me a somewhat inaccessible GUI type interface.  By routing around with the review type cursor, you can make choices.  I don't know if the fly out reference occurs any other times, but this is where i get it in Window 8.1.



On 5/13/2016 7:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Flyout is a term long before Windows 10.  I don't recall technically what a flyout is but I've seen the term network flyout when I issue an incompatible command to open the connection manager in the System Tray.  I don't know if the term is used in other ways.

Gene
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Fly Outs?


so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows 10. What
are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: Something strange in Firefox

Rui Fontes
 

Alt+L? It is not Ctrl+L?
At least in portuguese is Ctrl+L...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: sexta-feira, 13 de maio de 2016 12:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar. Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arnr Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766


Re: Effective way in filling up of some forms in website

Gene
 

We don't know what problems you had nor what you did in trying to fill out the forms.  We don't know if your screen-reader acted as though you were using quick navigation keys when you would press various letters.  Did you try to go into forms mode manually in case, for some reason you weren't going into forms mode automatically?  The command is NVDA key plus space bar.  Hold the NVDA key and press space bar.  Toggle between forms mode and browse mode with the same command.  Or just press escape to return to browse  mode.  If you are in forms mode, tab to move through form fields and other controls and links on the site.  Certain information in the form you may need to know may not be read fully in forms mode.  You may have to switch between modes to see information and fill out fields properly.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Effective way in filling up of some forms in website

I was having trouble filling up some forms in particular site. Though, primarily I used the review focus by using the combination keys in num pad keys such 4, 5, and 6 and sometimes I used the arrow keys in order to read what is the items should I need to fill-in, But, it seems that I was totally lost And, also, I set to tethered my keys to review instead of focus. Did I missed something that I would need in order to make more effective way in filling up those mentioned forms. Any advice is appreciate. Thanks again.


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Re: Fly Outs?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

The main things I can think of in Windows 10 which appear to behave this way (visually sliding in the bottom right of screen) are notifications which alert you about everything from updates being installed, a new device being plugged in, a new facebook message or email and everything else you might get a notification about.  Unlike previous versions of Windows where you had to try and catch it before it disappeared, these are all collected and are available in the Action center which you can get to with WINDOWS+A.

Regards

Quentin.

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so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows 10. What are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: Something strange in Firefox

Gene
 

Try alt l to move to the address bar.  Also, look in the view menu and if necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766





Re: Fly Outs?

Gene
 

Flyout is a term long before Windows 10.  I don't recall technically what a flyout is but I've seen the term network flyout when I issue an incompatible command to open the connection manager in the System Tray.  I don't know if the term is used in other ways. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Fly Outs?

so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows 10. What
are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: SECGTION BREAKS: MS WORD 2010

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Heaven,

I'm filing this now, but just wanted to check, what (word document) layout are you using?  I don't have Office 2010 handy, but in 2016, column breaks are not announced at all in any layout (I agree with the rest though).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:31 PM, HBotma <ehlbotma@...> wrote:
Hello Group

Could one of you perhaps give me advice on a small issue.  When
inserting Section Breaks or Column breaks, NVDA treats them as page
breaks.  Is there a way, or would it be possible to make a way, that
NVDA could read each section break according to its type: e.g. Section
break, next page break, or column break.

Thank you.

Regards

Heaven from South Africa






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Re: Something strange in Firefox

Robert Mendoza
 

Firefox has the same command key that you've used with other browsers. Yes, it was correct combination keys that you've used. But, alternatively, you may used to press F6 instead and copy the address that you wants but before, pasting it to the address bar make sure you've check as well if you copied the direct URL address by reviewing and pressing the nvda plus C from your clipboard. In this way, you can ensure that you copied correctly the address before pasting it

Robert Mendoza
On 5/13/2016 6:26 PM, Arnþór Helgason wrote:

Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766







SECGTION BREAKS: MS WORD 2010

Heaven Botma <ehlbotma@...>
 

Hello Group

Could one of you perhaps give me advice on a small issue. When
inserting Section Breaks or Column breaks, NVDA treats them as page
breaks. Is there a way, or would it be possible to make a way, that
NVDA could read each section break according to its type: e.g. Section
break, next page break, or column break.

Thank you.

Regards

Heaven from South Africa


Effective way in filling up of some forms in website

Robert Mendoza
 

I was having trouble filling up some forms in particular site. Though, primarily I used the review focus by using the combination keys in num pad keys such 4, 5, and 6 and sometimes I used the arrow keys in order to read what is the items should I need to fill-in, But, it seems that I was totally lost And, also, I set to tethered my keys to review instead of focus. Did I missed something that I would need in order to make more effective way in filling up those mentioned forms. Any advice is appreciate. Thanks again.


-- 
Robert Mendoza


Something strange in Firefox

Arnþór Helgason
 

Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766


converterbox for braille voyager 70

Alexander Masic
 

Hi.

I have an braille voyager 70 with an converterbox wich emulating it to an Alva. However my problem is that the box works very fine in jaws but not NVDA.

I dont know tecnicaly how it works, but it is Optelec who provide this card. I would be very happy if that can be fixed so it even works in NVDA.


/alexander


Fly Outs?

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so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows 10. What are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: Alva Braille display and NVDA

 

Wouldn't that all be online?
I have a mechanical keyboard, and while I needed another to do it, I upgraded its firmware yesterday.

On 13/05/2016 10:50 a.m., Arlene wrote:
Hmmm! You may have to update to 6 series. I got that not long ago. Yu may
have to call the maker to give you an updated disk.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nightowl
Sent: May-12-16 2:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Alva Braille display and NVDA



Hi,



I am trying to get my old Alva 570 Braille display to work with NVDA - so
far without success. It just says Waiting for Connection. I have lost the
original software CD that came with the Alva, so am using brltty. Maybe I
got the wrong version of brltty. I would be grateful for suggestions on how
to make the Alva work with NVDA as my hearing is not so good nowadays and I
would like to make more use of Braille. Also, if anyone has the software CD
for the Alva 570 and is willing to upload it somewhere for me to download, I
would be most grateful. I can't seem to find Alva drivers, etc anywhere on
the internet.



Thank you.



Nightowl




Re: Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!

Robert Mendoza
 

Gene, it works well and I can able to use now the webvism perfectly. Thanks for the help.   

Robert Mendoza
On 5/12/2016 8:17 PM, Gene wrote:

That is the site of the developers.  That site doesn't have the new version because the developers do nothing with Webvisum except leave the site up and the add on active.
 
I gave a link to the Blind
Bargains article which explains how to download and install the add on and provides a link to it.
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!

Just want to ensure that the site is correct. Below is the link:
http://www.webvisum.com/

Robert Mendoza
On 5/12/2016 8:32 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

I tried earlier to install the said addons but no luck at all. I pressed to allow it by pressing Alt plus A but, it keeps me prompted such dialog in Mozilla Firefox, and currently running version (46.0.1)

Robert Mendoza
On 5/12/2016 8:12 AM, Gene wrote:
That's good.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!

Well Gene I did download and install it yesterday. Its working well.


On 5/11/2016 9:35 AM, Gene wrote:
It is valid to raise questions about something if you don't know whether the author is trustworthy.  Someone could design a malicious add on.  But instead of just expressing doubt or a question, asking for more information from the list would make much more sense.  The person raising doubts may not know of james Schole's (spelling) reputation.  But once informed, the reputation speaks for itself. 
 
There is no criminality nor slander nor libel involved.  But instead of just expressing doubts, reliable information should be sought.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!

How absurd! How can one accuse someone of malicious intentions without
evidence of that whatsoever? I tell you... One must be quite arrogant to
do so!

If I were the person accused, I would simply take the accuser to courts
in no time at all...

I think one should be very careful with the rumors one spreads about others.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 11/05/2016 03:54, Kwork ha scritto:
> Hi,
> The couple of times I've used the add-on since the recent signing have
> been met with success. I've known James on and off for a few years
> now, and find him to be a decent human being, and an end computer user
> out of the UK just trying to help keep life as accessible for us as he
> can with his programming knowledge.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 12:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!
>
> I don't know him in a personal sense either.  I know his reputation. 
> I follow two blind technology discussion lists aside from this one and
> I know that many people are using it.  I haven't seen one complaint. 
> Perhaps others will vouch for him and the add on.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:37 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly well!
>
> Good. Glad you aren't giving me a hard time. Mods shouldn't do so on
> any list list anyway unless the mod he/she is a complete a$$$ by
> nature. I just simply don't trust it that's all. I guess one way to
> see if it truly works under FF 46 is to download it. I don't know the
> guy. I guess that's part of why I'm hesitant to get it.
>
>
> On 5/10/2016 3:33 PM, Gene wrote:
>> So you are suspicious that James Scholes is intentionally turning the
>> add on into something malicious?  Based on his reputation, that's
>> just groundless.
>> I haven't checked to see who else has written about the add on but
>> Blind Bargains has.  They are a respected source and I hardly think
>> they would wrecklessly provide information about add ons or other
>> such items.
>> Saying that's just my opinion, as though all opinions are equal is
>> not correct.  You provide no grouds for your opinion except
>> suspicion.  I have provided the reputation of the person who had the
>> add on signed, it's excellent, and the reputation of a source that
>> spread information about the add on.
>> I'm not trying to give you a hard time but, given the amount of
>> interest in Webvisum, I want to discourage unfounded suspicion.
>> gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:14 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly
>> well!
>>
>> Well OK this is your opinion. It was James Sholes, but still I don't
>> care what rigamarole he whent though to sign it. Chris Taught the
>> former programmer of the Qube is in the process of writing a CAPTIA
>> solver. I'm hoping to see it's release soon. It will work with FF, IE
>> 11, and IOS later on down the road.
>>
>>
>> On 5/10/2016 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> The, as you characterize it, convoluted add on is not one.  it was
>>> taken through the signing procedure by a respected and trusted
>>> member of the blind computer using community.  Nothing was changed
>>> except that it is signed in a way Firefox recognizes as legitimate. 
>>> I don't remember the name now, but numerous members of this
>>> community will vouch for him.  There is no reason to believe the add
>>> on is unsafe.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@...>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:44 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox 46.0.1 and Webvisum: Working perfectly
>>> well!
>>>
>>> If you try and download it off the Web Visum site FF will sill prevent
>>> you from downloading a unverified add-on. I don't trust this as Brian
>>> said "convoluted add-on".
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/10/2016 9:12 AM, Mallard wrote:
>>> > Oh, that's really great! Finally! We won't have to worry about losing
>>> > it any longer then...
>>> >
>>> > Ciao,
>>> >
>>> > Ollie
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Il 10/05/2016 12:53, Ron Canazzi ha scritto:
>>> >>
>>> >> Somebody signed it through the convoluted process of doing that for
>>> >> Mozilla and it now works.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5/10/2016 6:21 AM, Mallard wrote:
>>> >>> Hello all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've just updated to Firefox 46.0.1, thinking that Webvisum would
>>> >>> stop working. I was ready to set up a portable of an older version,
>>> >>> but... SURPRISE! Webvisum is working as usual...
>>> >>> Good news!
>>> >>> Ciao,
>>> >>> Ollie
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> >> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> >> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>








Re: an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback

Jacob Kruger
 

Will play around with it, and, it does already seem to improve things like intellisense, new project dialogue, etc.

Would it make a difference that the two versions of python have installed on this machine are 3.4 and 3.5.1?

Shouldn't, but, FWIW, think current version of system environment variable %path% points to 3.5.1, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "mohammad suliman" <mohmad.s93@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 13 May, 2016 2:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback


hello all,
I am currently developing an add-on for visual studio to resolve accessibility issues in some parts of the IDE's UI.
for all who might be interested, I want to know which parts of the UI do you find problematic and need further enhancements?? especially, if someone has used VS with jaws and he/she knows in which areas NVDA needs enhancements it will be great to hear from him /her.
here is the link for the git repo of the add-on
https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/visualStudioAddon
you can find info there of what I have done so far.
i fixed the problem of NVDA not reading the content of the debug windows. and made some improvements to intelliSinse. more info on the github page.
to test the add-on, you can clone the repo and build the add-on if you are familiar with add-on development. if not you can get only the file addon/appModules/devenv.py and put it in side your app module of NVDA user directory. if you need more info, just let me know.
I also can put the file on dropbox and share a link to it if that helps.
your feedback and help is so appreciated.
a question for code reviewers on the NVDA add-ons list, do you think that it is a good time to review the add-on now? if you think so, please feel free to do that.
I of course will be delighted to hear your tips, but I don't want you to do the review several times. the code still in the alpha cycle.
thanks,
Mohammad





Re: Web Page navigation

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

One that can be very useful to find content is P for paragraphs. Of course it can also be worthless on some sites, but here it does skip the heading part.

-- Patrick

Le 12/05/2016 à 18:26, Gene a écrit :
I would think that there is a more efficient way to find the first link
to a blog. Perhaps there is wording on the page immediately before the
first post that is reliably on the page whenever you load it. See my
previous message about the search command.

Gene


an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback

mohammad suliman
 

hello all,
I am currently developing an add-on for visual studio to resolve accessibility issues in some parts of the IDE's UI.
for all who might be interested, I want to know which parts of the UI do you find problematic and need further enhancements?? especially, if someone has used VS with jaws and he/she knows in which areas NVDA needs enhancements it will be great to hear from him /her.
here is the link for the git repo of the add-on
https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/visualStudioAddon
you can find info there of what I have done so far.
i fixed the problem of NVDA not reading the content of the debug windows. and made some improvements to intelliSinse. more info on the github page.
to test the add-on, you can clone the repo and build the add-on if you are familiar with add-on development. if not you can get only the file addon/appModules/devenv.py and put it in side your app module of NVDA user directory. if you need more info, just let me know.
I also can put the file on dropbox and share a link to it if that helps.
your feedback and help is so appreciated.
a question for code reviewers on the NVDA add-ons list, do you think that it is a good time to review the add-on now? if you think so, please feel free to do that.
I of course will be delighted to hear your tips, but I don't want you to do the review several times. the code still in the alpha cycle.
thanks,
Mohammad


Re: Web Page navigation

Gene
 

I am correct in my description.  I am seeing the page differently.  This may be because of browser settings I'm using or for other reasons.  But if two reliable people differ about the layout of something, it is not correct to assume that one or the other is wrong in the description.  They may be observing a different layout or format with neither being aware of the difference. 
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene and Brian,

 

I have been keeping out of this discussion but watching each of your contributions with interest. I feel I must now correct you Gene. Here is the top half of the web page that results from the URL presented by William in his request for help:

 

----------Extract begins ----------

 

If you feel this email is unsolicited please report it to us.

Trouble viewing this email? View online

Friday 13 May 2016

FOLLOW US

Facebook

Twitter

Linked In

Ince Connect

 

Good morning, William McLachlan

NEWS >

 

----------Extract ends ----------

 

Facebook and Twitter are actually links on the page as I described in my message.

 

Please do not demand that others fail to read a message when you are, in fact, mistaken!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The Professional version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader for free now!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Gene,

First, what follows here first is a general observation, but one triggered by this very thread.  It is unbelievably frustrating, and probably from both sides, when one person participates virtually entirely by e-mail while another virtually entirely by the web interface to groups.io.  Using the web interface allows you to see the entire thread on a single page and to go back and forth between original material and what you're posting.  That's how I can tell you definitively, and will repost the original message below, that Facebook is and was not in any way involved other than by being mentioned by a later poster.  It's also interesting how many, and you are not one of those, who either subscribe by individual message or digest are not reading what has already been posted before posting themselves in many cases.  Getting the same answer(s) hours, not minutes, apart clearly indicates that the posters of the repeat material have not bothered to take note that what they've offered has already been offered, and often more than once.  This makes for a really crappy online archive and a great deal more difficulty in searching the online archive and getting a more focused pool of results.

The original post was:

------------------------------------------------

Hi,

 

I find it difficult move around in a web page and get NVDA to speak continually on any given item.

 

 

Witch is one of the pages I would like to navigate.

 

Would it be possible for some kind member to list the short-cut keys necessary to enable me to do this.

 

Regards,

William

------------------------------------------------

 

I have gone to said webpage and perused it via NVDA.  When it loads, if one hits NVDA Key+F7 there are only two links, "Report it" and "View Online" that appear in the elements list of links for this page (using Chrome or Firefox).  When I tried using K at one point the navigation bar links came into play before the articles.

In any case, this is the last comment I'll make on this particular thread on this particular webpage.  There is no one right way to approach this.  Using the NVDA search command is fine as is using the NVDA Elements list. Knowing how to come at things from multiple angles is never a bad thing.  Knowing that once you're on the actual article page that the Elements List with "Headers" selected can save you a bunch of jumping is a big time saver.

Brian
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-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 

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Re: Web Page navigation

Gene
 

Perhaps you made the comments you did about list clutter because you think I am not well aware of previous posts because of how I read mail.  That is not true.  I did misinterpret what the message that mentioned Facebook said but that was a misinterpretation.  On the second point that may have prompted your general comments about list clutter and repetition, This has nothing to do with me not being aware of previous messages.  My results are completely different from yours.  How I read mail isn't the problem.  I see the page exactly as I see any standard web page except, of course, that no headings or controls are present.  The only things on the page are links and text.  All the links on the page show up in the links list, and using the skip links command twice skips me to just above the main content links on the page.  Whether using k or tabbing, I see the same links in the same order and in the links list as well.  Thus we have been discussing completely different renderings of the page for some reason.  And that may be the reason we are disagreeing about the most efficient way to navigate the page. 
 
I'm not sure what produces such different renderings.  I'd have to experiment with different browsers and settings to see if they may play any part in the differences.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene,

First, what follows here first is a general observation, but one triggered by this very thread.  It is unbelievably frustrating, and probably from both sides, when one person participates virtually entirely by e-mail while another virtually entirely by the web interface to groups.io.  Using the web interface allows you to see the entire thread on a single page and to go back and forth between original material and what you're posting.  That's how I can tell you definitively, and will repost the original message below, that Facebook is and was not in any way involved other than by being mentioned by a later poster.  It's also interesting how many, and you are not one of those, who either subscribe by individual message or digest are not reading what has already been posted before posting themselves in many cases.  Getting the same answer(s) hours, not minutes, apart clearly indicates that the posters of the repeat material have not bothered to take note that what they've offered has already been offered, and often more than once.  This makes for a really crappy online archive and a great deal more difficulty in searching the online archive and getting a more focused pool of results.

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Hi,
 
I find it difficult move around in a web page and get NVDA to speak continually on any given item.
 
 
Witch is one of the pages I would like to navigate.
 
Would it be possible for some kind member to list the short-cut keys necessary to enable me to do this.
 
Regards,

William

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I have gone to said webpage and perused it via NVDA.  When it loads, if one hits NVDA Key+F7 there are only two links, "Report it" and "View Online" that appear in the elements list of links for this page (using Chrome or Firefox).  When I tried using K at one point the navigation bar links came into play before the articles.

In any case, this is the last comment I'll make on this particular thread on this particular webpage.  There is no one right way to approach this.  Using the NVDA search command is fine as is using the NVDA Elements list. Knowing how to come at things from multiple angles is never a bad thing.  Knowing that once you're on the actual article page that the Elements List with "Headers" selected can save you a bunch of jumping is a big time saver.

Brian
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