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Re: A new member with some questions

Gene
 

If something is in the ribbons, you shouldn't have to use object navigation to get to it.  Ribbons are, in essence, menus organized differently.  I will include a tutorial I wrote on using ribbons.  if you have difficulties finding things often or don't understand how to work with ribbons, you may seriously want to consider using this short tutorial.  It is below my signature.
 
Gene
 
I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons. 
 
I've added a little to it here.
 
I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized. 
 
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button. 
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action.  Let's take an example. 
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.  If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down.  That is the default action.  Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow.  As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open.  the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others.  You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list.  the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. 
 
So, let's review.  You find a split button that says shut down.  If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed.  Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed.  A split button won't work with both methods.  One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button.  Try both methods if you don't know which one might work.  If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options.  If you think about this, it makes sense.  If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu.  So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options.  In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar.  So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options.  But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do.  And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen.  So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options.  Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them.  For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow. 
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow.  In that case, open them with alt down arrow.  Then tab through the additional options.  I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.
 
Now, to ribbons themselves.
 
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently.  and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use.  the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.  There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.
 
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.  Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine.  Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.  
 
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. 
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons.  Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.
 
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish.  You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.  
 
Stop on view.  Then start tabbing.  You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon. 
 
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it.  Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. 
 
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons.  Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
 
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. 
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't.  To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab.  If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.
 
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab.  You will hear some extraneous information.  The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence.  You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.
 
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.  Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.  You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once.  Now, open the ribbons again with alt. 
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid.  Never mind drop down grid.  It's a description you don't have to worry about.  The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu.  Press enter or the space bar to activate the button.  Activating the button opens the menu.  Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action.  When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f.  When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced.  for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a.  that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a.  Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as.  Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it.  Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.  By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.
 
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt.  Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. 
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter.  So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon.  Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.  Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon.  Shift tab to move back through the items.  So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab.  for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond.  You may hear this announced as respond tool bar.  As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category.  When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken.  You will miss the first command in the category if you do.  I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. 
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu.  So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. 
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items.  You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. 
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad.  For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back.  When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.  Of course, you can shift tab to move back. 
 
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. 
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. 
 
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program.  Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.  


Re: A new member with some questions

Matthew Elliff
 

None of those are what I am looking for. What I’m looking for is in the ribbon somewhere, but I couldn’t get to it with the keyboard, my boss could get to it with the mouse. I’m not at work, so I can’t check it right now to try and find it. I’ve never been able to figure out object navigation, so I’ve never gotten to grips with using the mouse in NVDA. I won’t be able to try anything until I get into work in the morning. I think it’s in formatting or something. Does anyone know what I’m talking about. If so, are there shortcut keys to enable ribbon commands, or do I have to just activate them only in the ribbon? Thanks again for any help.

GSent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:

Hello,

I can think of a few possibilities.

Some folks have already discussed the collaboration features that permit a person to quickly find content that has been modified and by whom. This is usually used in Word documents, but is apparently available in Excel also.
2
. Use an auto-color type functionality. You could have excel look for rows with a specific qualification in one column and adjust those rows colors. This could be looking for a specific text or doing a comparison (perhaps a date), and then the row would change style.
3. You could manually adjust colors or borders. I believe one could get up a shortcut or macro so you only have to hit a single key sequence and the row or pose cell gets adjusted.

Which of these possibilities sounds the most appropriate for your situation?

Jonathan Cohn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Elliff
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A new member with some questions

For highlighting, I need to actually highlight a physical cell in an excel document, not have color follow the focus of NVDA. I schedule donation pickups for my work. Say some one calls and say adds items to a pick up that weren't there at first. I need to be able to highlight that cell so my sighted coworker can see at a glance without having to read my comments at first, if she can see this, she will know to go to that cell first. Does that make sense? Thanks for all the help guys.

On 5/29/18, Melissa Jean <Melissa.J.Hammitt@...> wrote:
You meant shift + tab. ctrl + tab goes between workbooks if you have
more than one open,, right?

On 5/29/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
When you say you "tap" on one, do you mean with your finger, on a
touchscreen? If so, try double-tapping. If you tap once, NVDA will
announce the item, but you have to double tap to activate it.
Similar to the way the screen reader works on Android or iOS.

Oh yes, I meant to mention earlier, as Gene said, use TAB to move
through the ribbon. You can also use CONTROL+TAB to jump between
sections of the ribbon.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
wrote:

Thanks for the info guys. What I mean is, say I have a bunch of
Excel documents up. When I tap to one, NVDA it will tell me I’m in
the next document, but on the screen, it only shows the one I was
last in. It’s not following me in each Excel document.



On May 29, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Once you move to a ribbon, you tab through the ribbon. You never
use up and down arrow keys.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2018 6:34 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A new member with some questions

Hi, I have office 2013. When I hit alt are to go to that part of the
ribbon, I only have two options. I don’t see anything about track
changes.
Is there some other way of navigating these ribbons besides the up
and down arrow keys? I’ve never been very good with them. With left
and right, I just go back to the other tabs in the ribbon. Do you
have any idea about the other questions that I posed? Thanks for
your help.


On May 28, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Quentin Christensen
<quentin@...>
wrote:

Hi Matthew,

Excel has a track changes feature which essentially works the same
as the same feature in Word. That is, once Track changes is turned
on, any changes you make (deleting or adding text etc) is
highlighted so your colleagues can see what has changed.

Where it is depends on the version of Excel you are using. If you
are using the latest Office 365, the feature has been depreciated in
favour of Co-authoring. If you are using an earlier version of
Excel, the feature was in the "Review" ribbon (press alt+r to get to
that ribbon)

I must admit, I haven't used co-authoring, so can't comment too much
on that, you can find some information from Microsoft here:
https://answers.
microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_excel-mso_
other-mso_2016/track-changes-removed-from-review-tab/
7da17fa0-ff14-45ab-bfa4-cf880ce9230b

You can still use Track Changes if you like, but you'll need to add
it back to the ribbon. See:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/
forum/msoffice_excel-mso_other-mso_2016/track-changes-
removed-from-review-tab/7da17fa0-ff14-45ab-bfa4-cf880ce9230b for
details on how to do that.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
wrote:

Hi. Ive been using NVDA for several years. I have some questions
about using NVDA with Excell for my work. I need to somehow
highlight a cell so that it will show my sighted coworkers that a change has been made.
Is this done in the ribbon somewhere, or is their a key combination
to do this faster? Also, how can I have NVDA tell me what changes
have occured for formatting, colors ect? Also, how can I have focus
from NVDA follow what's on the screen? I haven't needed to know
this information until now. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







Re: what's with cortana

Ervin, Glenn
 

Sounds like something from the dark side is invading.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's with cortana

 

Hi list have been noticing something strange about cortana the last couple days.  When I ask it to give me the weather instead of cortana coming up with a search result it says an app or a site called dark skys might be able to help would I like to access it?  What is wrong with whatever cortana used to get the weather?  Is it down?  It doesn’t happen all the time.  Very very strange.  Anyone else have this issue? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Bug Reporting for NVDA - Do Step-by-Step Instructions Exist?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


The parts about forking a branch etc i would not have a clue there but there is a guide for that but think the process for reporting a bug is what most people would do.


Gene nz



On 5/31/2018 3:53 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I know that at sometime in the past I've asked about "the official procedure" for reporting bugs to the developers of NVDA and also seem to remember it's done through Github.  What I don't have, either in my head or in my collection of records, is a set of specific instructions for exactly what the process is.

If anyone has them, could you post them?

To the group moderator, if someone has them and posts them, could consideration be given to making them a regular cyclic posting, say, once per quarter?  
--

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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 



Re: Bug Reporting for NVDA - Do Step-by-Step Instructions Exist?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi

I thought there was some one who done like a blog on what to do and i can not remember if there is any documentation on what to do as i have not done it for a long time to report a issue.


If none exists i will put together a page on what to do to report a issue and where to go etc then host it off my website.

I do not think it would take that long to put together.

Or if there is a audio recording already of what to do i could link to that and maybe have it on the audio tutorials page under trouble shooting.

Gene nz


On 5/31/2018 3:53 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I know that at sometime in the past I've asked about "the official procedure" for reporting bugs to the developers of NVDA and also seem to remember it's done through Github.  What I don't have, either in my head or in my collection of records, is a set of specific instructions for exactly what the process is.

If anyone has them, could you post them?

To the group moderator, if someone has them and posts them, could consideration be given to making them a regular cyclic posting, say, once per quarter?  
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 



Re: what's with cortana

 

Hmmmm I have not but to be honest.

You can go to www.msn.com/weather or type weather in the search box to open the weather app and get it that way.

On 5/31/2018 5:57 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi list have been noticing something strange about cortana the last couple days. When I ask it to give me the weather instead of cortana coming up with a search result it says an app or a site called dark skys might be able to help would I like to access it? What is wrong with whatever cortana used to get the weather? Is it down? It doesn’t happen all the time. Very very strange. Anyone else have this issue?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: looking for add on for firefox60 that does what navigational sound and sound on click does for chrome

 

can I get the links for the sound add ons?

On 5/30/2018 2:25 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
www.waterfoxproject.org

Its due to change a bit but they plan to keep classic stuff up there.



On 5/31/2018 2:03 AM, Dennis L wrote:
How do you get waterfox?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for add on for firefox60 that does what
navigational sound and sound on click does for chrome

No I was castigated when I asked, being told not to worry about sound. I'm
now using Waterfox instead which is still based on the old Mozilla code It
is 64 bit only but so far so good and navigational sounds will work on it.
  Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] looking for add on for firefox60 that does what navigational
sound and sound on click does for chrome


Hi, is there a add on for Firefox 60 that will accomplish what these
two add ons that are in the subject line do?  Why Firefox 60 don't
support add ons that worked in Firefox older versions I have no idea








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Re: looking for add on for firefox60 that does what navigational sound and sound on click does for chrome

 

www.waterfoxproject.org

Its due to change a bit but they plan to keep classic stuff up there.

On 5/31/2018 2:03 AM, Dennis L wrote:
How do you get waterfox?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for add on for firefox60 that does what
navigational sound and sound on click does for chrome

No I was castigated when I asked, being told not to worry about sound. I'm
now using Waterfox instead which is still based on the old Mozilla code It
is 64 bit only but so far so good and navigational sounds will work on it.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] looking for add on for firefox60 that does what navigational
sound and sound on click does for chrome


Hi, is there a add on for Firefox 60 that will accomplish what these
two add ons that are in the subject line do? Why Firefox 60 don't
support add ons that worked in Firefox older versions I have no idea






Re: A new member with some questions

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

I can think of a few possibilities.

Some folks have already discussed the collaboration features that permit a person to quickly find content that has been modified and by whom. This is usually used in Word documents, but is apparently available in Excel also.
2
. Use an auto-color type functionality. You could have excel look for rows with a specific qualification in one column and adjust those rows colors. This could be looking for a specific text or doing a comparison (perhaps a date), and then the row would change style.
3. You could manually adjust colors or borders. I believe one could get up a shortcut or macro so you only have to hit a single key sequence and the row or pose cell gets adjusted.

Which of these possibilities sounds the most appropriate for your situation?

Jonathan Cohn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Elliff
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A new member with some questions

For highlighting, I need to actually highlight a physical cell in an excel document, not have color follow the focus of NVDA. I schedule donation pickups for my work. Say some one calls and say adds items to a pick up that weren't there at first. I need to be able to highlight that cell so my sighted coworker can see at a glance without having to read my comments at first, if she can see this, she will know to go to that cell first. Does that make sense? Thanks for all the help guys.

On 5/29/18, Melissa Jean <Melissa.J.Hammitt@...> wrote:
You meant shift + tab. ctrl + tab goes between workbooks if you have
more than one open,, right?

On 5/29/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
When you say you "tap" on one, do you mean with your finger, on a
touchscreen? If so, try double-tapping. If you tap once, NVDA will
announce the item, but you have to double tap to activate it.
Similar to the way the screen reader works on Android or iOS.

Oh yes, I meant to mention earlier, as Gene said, use TAB to move
through the ribbon. You can also use CONTROL+TAB to jump between
sections of the ribbon.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
wrote:

Thanks for the info guys. What I mean is, say I have a bunch of
Excel documents up. When I tap to one, NVDA it will tell me I’m in
the next document, but on the screen, it only shows the one I was
last in. It’s not following me in each Excel document.



On May 29, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Once you move to a ribbon, you tab through the ribbon. You never
use up and down arrow keys.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2018 6:34 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A new member with some questions

Hi, I have office 2013. When I hit alt are to go to that part of the
ribbon, I only have two options. I don’t see anything about track
changes.
Is there some other way of navigating these ribbons besides the up
and down arrow keys? I’ve never been very good with them. With left
and right, I just go back to the other tabs in the ribbon. Do you
have any idea about the other questions that I posed? Thanks for
your help.


On May 28, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Quentin Christensen
<quentin@...>
wrote:

Hi Matthew,

Excel has a track changes feature which essentially works the same
as the same feature in Word. That is, once Track changes is turned
on, any changes you make (deleting or adding text etc) is
highlighted so your colleagues can see what has changed.

Where it is depends on the version of Excel you are using. If you
are using the latest Office 365, the feature has been depreciated in
favour of Co-authoring. If you are using an earlier version of
Excel, the feature was in the "Review" ribbon (press alt+r to get to
that ribbon)

I must admit, I haven't used co-authoring, so can't comment too much
on that, you can find some information from Microsoft here:
https://answers.
microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_excel-mso_
other-mso_2016/track-changes-removed-from-review-tab/
7da17fa0-ff14-45ab-bfa4-cf880ce9230b

You can still use Track Changes if you like, but you'll need to add
it back to the ribbon. See:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/
forum/msoffice_excel-mso_other-mso_2016/track-changes-
removed-from-review-tab/7da17fa0-ff14-45ab-bfa4-cf880ce9230b for
details on how to do that.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:05 AM, Matthew Elliff <gowrone@...>
wrote:

Hi. Ive been using NVDA for several years. I have some questions
about using NVDA with Excell for my work. I need to somehow
highlight a cell so that it will show my sighted coworkers that a change has been made.
Is this done in the ribbon somewhere, or is their a key combination
to do this faster? Also, how can I have NVDA tell me what changes
have occured for formatting, colors ect? Also, how can I have focus
from NVDA follow what's on the screen? I haven't needed to know
this information until now. Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



Re: what's with cortana

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

I just asked her for the weather in Chicago, She did a good job and no issues. She did not do what you reported.
 
From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what's with cortana
 

Hi list have been noticing something strange about cortana the last couple days.  When I ask it to give me the weather instead of cortana coming up with a search result it says an app or a site called dark skys might be able to help would I like to access it?  What is wrong with whatever cortana used to get the weather?  Is it down?  It doesn’t happen all the time.  Very very strange.  Anyone else have this issue? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: selecting the desktop

Gene
 

I should add that I don't use Windows 10.  I gave the method used before Windows 10.  Since I don't use Windows 10, I can't compare the two for convenience.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] selecting the desktop

Giles: In Windows 10, the easiest way to get to personalize settings is to press WINDOWS-KEY+I, TAB in to the list of options, choose personalization, press ENTER there and choose themes. From there, choose related settings desktop icons and check the items you want. If you ever need to deselect anything on the desktop CONTROL+SPACE-BAR will do that.


On 5/30/2018 2:01 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


Re: selecting the desktop

Gene
 

The reason I say to issue the command home before using control space bar, is so that, in the rare case that more than one thing is selected, nothing will be.  You could accomplish the same thing by moving with the up and down arroww or with page up and page down.  The point is to be sure only one thing is selected, then unselect that one thing with control space bar. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] selecting the desktop

Giles: In Windows 10, the easiest way to get to personalize settings is to press WINDOWS-KEY+I, TAB in to the list of options, choose personalization, press ENTER there and choose themes. From there, choose related settings desktop icons and check the items you want. If you ever need to deselect anything on the desktop CONTROL+SPACE-BAR will do that.


On 5/30/2018 2:01 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


Re: selecting the desktop

Gene
 

The procedure I gave allows you to do this with any screen-reader from the keyboard.  It's a Windows procedure.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] selecting the desktop

Hello, Giles. Yes there is. To do so, you'll need to use NVDA's object
navigation. Go to your desktop, then navigate up by using insert up
arrow till you hear "desktop window". At this point, you can
right-click in order to personalize, change display options, etc. HTH.

On 5/30/18, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a
> mouse, not selecting any specific item?
>
> I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add
> 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.
>
> I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which
> means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for
> any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This
> Computer icon onto the desktop.
>
> Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1
>
> Thnks,
>
> Giles
>


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Re: selecting the desktop

Gene
 

Make sure nothing is selected on the desktop.  One way to be sure is to press home, then issue the command control space. 
Now, open the context menu. 
 
Mouse users right click on an empty part of the desktop.  Having nothing selected and opening the context menu is equivalent.  In either case, you are clicking when nothing is selected and you are interacting with the desktop, which has focus.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] selecting the desktop

Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


Re: Bug Reporting for NVDA - Do Step-by-Step Instructions Exist?

 

I've filed a new issue (bug) report regarding the behavior of NVDA on the chrome://extensions/shortcuts page.

Thanks to Joseph and Sarah for the assistance.  
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Re: selecting the desktop

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. Hit control space to unselect what was selected. Then you can  hit the applications key.

On May 30, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


Re: selecting the desktop

Richard Wells
 

Giles: In Windows 10, the easiest way to get to personalize settings is to press WINDOWS-KEY+I, TAB in to the list of options, choose personalization, press ENTER there and choose themes. From there, choose related settings desktop icons and check the items you want. If you ever need to deselect anything on the desktop CONTROL+SPACE-BAR will do that.


On 5/30/2018 2:01 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


Re: selecting the desktop

Jackie
 

Hello, Giles. Yes there is. To do so, you'll need to use NVDA's object
navigation. Go to your desktop, then navigate up by using insert up
arrow till you hear "desktop window". At this point, you can
right-click in order to personalize, change display options, etc. HTH.

On 5/30/18, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a
mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add
'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which
means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for
any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This
Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles
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Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
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selecting the desktop

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

is there a way to right click on the desktop in the way you can with a mouse, not selecting any specific item?

I want to get 'personalise' in the desktop context menu so that I can add 'This Computer' as a desktop shortcut.

I can't figure out any way to not have an icon selected using NVDA, which means I don't get personalise as a context menu option. I'd be grateful for any ideas or alternative ways of configuring Windows to put the This Computer icon onto the desktop.

Using Win10 and NVDA 2018.1

Thnks,

Giles


what's with cortana

ken lawrence
 

Hi list have been noticing something strange about cortana the last couple days.  When I ask it to give me the weather instead of cortana coming up with a search result it says an app or a site called dark skys might be able to help would I like to access it?  What is wrong with whatever cortana used to get the weather?  Is it down?  It doesn’t happen all the time.  Very very strange.  Anyone else have this issue? 

 

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