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Re: The future of NVDA

CJ
 



HI,
a good response and very on the money as far as I am concerned.
Having been sighted all the points you make in your piece make perfect sense too me as what you have said is so accurate.
My regards, CJ.

On 01/06/2018 11:43, Gene wrote:
Your friend is so biased that his opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are highly suspect.  And he so much wants something to be so that he extrapolates without considering very important factors.  Whatever happens to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do things on a screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for example.  Consider some examples:
 
Consider reviewing a rough draft.  Which is faster?  A sighted person is not going to listen to an entire document being read, looking for alterations to make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste time telling the word processor to find the phrase, and continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until he says start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of action such as delete it.  If he wants to delete a phrase, what is the person going to do, move to a passage using speech, mark the start of the passage with speech, then mark the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then say insert and speak a new passage?  The same with copying and pasting from one document to another, 
 
And such operations are also far more efficient using a keyboard.  I should add that I haven't used programs that operate a computer with speech.  If I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I await correction.  That's how things appear to me.
 
What about file management?  Consider using speech to tell a computer you want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.  Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a keyboard. 
 
And considerations of speed and efficiency are true when using the keyboard and a screen-reader as well.  I've mainly discussed sighted users because innovations are developed for sighted users. 
 
Speech will become increasingly popular and powerful.  It won't replace visual access and manipulation in computers. 
 
I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do may point out how cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may want to comment on the visual comparison.. 
 
As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much but it's not the fault of JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor to learn a screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use in business and institutions.  He should take his anger at FS, if he must spend so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs.  I could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it got started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it built up all sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes.  How many years did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?  Finally, what did they do?  They used scripts, which they didn't call scripts, but apps.  They weren't apps, and language should be respected.  Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in Through the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired. 
 
But enough.  I'll leave the discussion to others from this point unless I have something additional to add.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered? just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think about it.
 
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA
 

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John

 



Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

Quentin Christensen
 

Interesting, is this when you first run the installer, or after you install it and it starts up?  And is it a specific amount of times (twice, three times) or continuously?

In any case, does rebooting help?

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:

it's playing it one after the other,and i'm using windows7,

I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my computer.
Thanks.
Ângelo Abrantes
I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my
Às 11:23 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time?

Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds?  I updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was getting a crackling, almost reverb effect.  If that is the case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away.  I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and it generally works ok.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Reef did most of the work, and he can see more than I can.  Of course, if anyone does see or find anything out of place or which doesn't look right, do please let us know!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:

Yes Quentin was involved in the development process.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 13:02
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Has someone verified they look good on screen, in case we need to walk a sighted user through them?

Best,

Felix

 

2018-06-01 12:59 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Thanks Felix!

 

Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:

Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.

Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.

Best,

Felix

 

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

Ângelo Abrantes
 

it's playing it one after the other,and i'm using windows7,

I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my computer.
Thanks.
Ângelo Abrantes
I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my
Às 11:23 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time?

Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds?  I updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was getting a crackling, almost reverb effect.  If that is the case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away.  I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and it generally works ok.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Adriani Botez
 

Yes Quentin was involved in the development process.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 13:02
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Has someone verified they look good on screen, in case we need to walk a sighted user through them?

Best,

Felix

 

2018-06-01 12:59 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Thanks Felix!

 

Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:

Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.

Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.

Best,

Felix

 

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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--

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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Felix G.
 

Has someone verified they look good on screen, in case we need to walk a sighted user through them?
Best,
Felix

2018-06-01 12:59 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Thanks Felix!

Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.
Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.
Best,
Felix

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Felix!

Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.
Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.
Best,
Felix

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Felix G.
 

Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.
Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.
Best,
Felix

2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi Gary,

 

By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?

 

I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin,

 

I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

 

Hi everyone,

 

Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!

 

This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.

 

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

 

You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

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Re: message

Felix G.
 

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Re: The future of NVDA

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I agree that keyboards will be around for a long time because they allow structured input at a speed and precision which speech cannot provide, even in environments with loud background noise or when voice is simply not an option for other reasons, such as that cold I'm recovering from as I am writing this. The question is what the primary input modality will be. For many smart phone users, the primary input modality has already shifted from a physical keyboard to a hybrid of voice dictation and touch screen keyboard. I, on the other hand, will probably be a pc and physical keyboard person for years to come as it's just my preferred way of communicating with the machines.
So in summary, I do hope NVDA will embrace all the voice-based input modalities Windows will take up, but I also hope that we traditional physical keyboard people will never be left out.
Best,
Felix

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Actually the demise of the keyboard has many times been predicted, but until there is a foolproof way to correct errors in dictation other than using typed in letters, keyboards will be with us. I do worry about soft screen like keyboards however, but since a basic keyboard can be built for a very cheap price, I do not see their total demise for perhaps 10 years, when I'll probably be ashes.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA


I am not qualified enough to comment on this subject, but I'll say one
thing for the author. He seems to be filled with glee over the prospect
of the demise of VFO FKA Freedom Scientific.



On 6/1/2018 12:40 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.
Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader?
Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is
going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice
activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the
computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a
keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

*From:*bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...k]
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
*To:* Sky Mundell
*Subject:* Re: CSUN


Hi Sky,

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line
shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google
home and other apps using voice only ordering.

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing,
this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing.
I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual
programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is
finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open
market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment
I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I
need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a
search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down,
tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through
the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my
card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least
quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end
of VFO.

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There
isn't any other way for web developers to go.

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a
high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to
carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands.
With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles
behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast
extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and
dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs
relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who
are blind and not us.

Live long and prosper, John



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Re: The future of NVDA

Gene
 

Your friend is so biased that his opinions about Window-eyes and JAWS are highly suspect.  And he so much wants something to be so that he extrapolates without considering very important factors.  Whatever happens to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do things on a screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for example.  Consider some examples:
 
Consider reviewing a rough draft.  Which is faster?  A sighted person is not going to listen to an entire document being read, looking for alterations to make in a draft nor is he/she going to waste time telling the word processor to find the phrase, and continue speaking from the stop of the phrase until he says start to define the end of the phrase, then take some sort of action such as delete it.  If he wants to delete a phrase, what is the person going to do, move to a passage using speech, mark the start of the passage with speech, then mark the end of the passage with speech then say delete, then say insert and speak a new passage?  The same with copying and pasting from one document to another, 
 
And such operations are also far more efficient using a keyboard.  I should add that I haven't used programs that operate a computer with speech.  If I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know I am wrong, I await correction.  That's how things appear to me.
 
What about file management?  Consider using speech to tell a computer you want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a list of two hundred.  Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed to using a keyboard. 
 
And considerations of speed and efficiency are true when using the keyboard and a screen-reader as well.  I've mainly discussed sighted users because innovations are developed for sighted users. 
 
Speech will become increasingly popular and powerful.  It won't replace visual access and manipulation in computers. 
 
I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do may point out how cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to perform any somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some may want to comment on the visual comparison.. 
 
As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much but it's not the fault of JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor to learn a screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use in business and institutions.  He should take his anger at FS, if he must spend so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs.  I could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it got started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it built up all sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it was better for more employment situations than Window-eyes.  How many years did Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?  Finally, what did they do?  They used scripts, which they didn't call scripts, but apps.  They weren't apps, and language should be respected.  Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters does in Through the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired. 
 
But enough.  I'll leave the discussion to others from this point unless I have something additional to add.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered? just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think about it.
 
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA
 

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John

 


Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?

Quentin Christensen
 

Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time?

Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds?  I updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was getting a crackling, almost reverb effect.  If that is the case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away.  I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and it generally works ok.

Quentin.

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Browser mode in Windows 10 Apps

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

Hello!
I hope they're all right. I'd like to ask if there's any way to turn
on browsing mode in Windows 10 store applications such as Spotify or
Whatsapp. While desktop versions are available for download here, it
would be interesting to know how to use this feature in store
applications so that you can work better. In the case of the above
mentioned applications you can work with the other versions, but if
there is no alternative version there is no other possibility.
I look forward to hearing from you!


Re: The future of NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Actually the demise of the keyboard has many times been predicted, but until there is a foolproof way to correct errors in dictation other than using typed in letters, keyboards will be with us. I do worry about soft screen like keyboards however, but since a basic keyboard can be built for a very cheap price, I do not see their total demise for perhaps 10 years, when I'll probably be ashes.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA


I am not qualified enough to comment on this subject, but I'll say one
thing for the author. He seems to be filled with glee over the prospect
of the demise of VFO FKA Freedom Scientific.



On 6/1/2018 12:40 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.
Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader?
Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is
going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice
activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the
computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a
keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

*From:*bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
*Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
*To:* Sky Mundell
*Subject:* Re: CSUN

Hi Sky,

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line
shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google
home and other apps using voice only ordering.

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing,
this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing.
I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual
programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is
finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open
market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment
I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I
need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a
search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down,
tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through
the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my
card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least
quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end
of VFO.

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There
isn't any other way for web developers to go.

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a
high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to
carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands.
With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles
behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast
extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and
dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs
relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who
are blind and not us.

Live long and prosper, John

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: The future of NVDA

The Gamages
 

voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered? just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think about it.
 
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA
 

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John

 


Re: The future of NVDA

Sky Mundell
 

OK. Let me explain why he is glee. BJ which is what his name is from Scotland. He was taught at Motherwell college. Motherwell college at that time had a V I program which taught A screen reading program, called Window-Eyes, and not JAWS.  The guy that taught Window-Eyes in that college was named Robert Donald. This guy was a strong advocate of it, and Robert didn’t like how JAWS was always favoured by the organisation in the UK called the RNIB. My friend BJ was offered a job at a university called Glasgow university and Robert Donald, the person behind the Window-Eyes classes in Motherwell college was in contact with Glasgow university and the person at the disability office asked him if he knew anybody who could teach Window-Eyes. He put my friend BJ’s name forward and the person who offered BJ the job told BJ that she had to speak to the head of the office and she promised BJ that she would get back to him. Well, a few months came and BJ never heard from this woman. So he phoned the lady who offered him the job, and the lady told BJ that they had contacted the RNIB and the RNIB advised them to get JAWS. She did apologise to BJ, and said, that if they ever changed to Window-Eyes, she would contact BJ before anyone else. BJ wasn’t happy that he lost a job and BJ was hoping for that job and it was almost certain that BJ would have gotten the job. Well, a few years later, My friend was on the talks mailing list, and you might remember Talks as the screen reader for the nokia phones. Well on the Talks list, there was a discussion that was going on about the price of items specifically for the blind. One of the members commented that the education system in the UK and worldwide favoured JAWS above every other screen reader. Then, the vender denied the member’s allegations. Then, BJ wrote on the list to the vender and told him straight that venders like him favoured JAWS and always will, and he told the vender he had been in the education system for eight years and that he knew of the situation about JAWS and the RNIB. The guy told him there was never any favoritism of JAWS over any other screen reader in education and employment. Then, it became a heated argument between members and the vender over the favoritism of JAWS over any other screen reader in education, and members stood up for BJ, while others stood up for the vender. Then it got so out of focus that BJ left the Talks list. Then, about 7 years ago, BJ’s girlfriend, Carol, who lived in Ontario, went to the school for the blind in Ontario to get assessed for a new computer. She, like BJ, was a Window-Eyes user and they had met on the former GW Micro mailing list, called GW-info. When she spoke to the elderly guy about what she wanted, and that she wanted Window-Eyes, The elderly guy was very insistent that Carol took JAWS at the start of the meeting, and Carol was adamant that she was under no circumstances taking JAWS. She told the guy that she wanted Window-Eyes and nothing else. The guy also explained that Window-Eyes was going bust. At that time, this was in 2011, and Window-Eyes, at that time, were going nowhere in 2011. She also told the guy that she had a boyfriend in Scotland who taught her everything she knew about Window-Eyes, and she told the guy he was talking a lot of pure crap.  When she got the new computer, the computer was an HP, and it was pure junk, and it was somehow registered to somebody else. BJ had to spend a few days removing the registered name, and putting her name as the admin. He also had to help her install the programs as the engineer made a complete mess of the programs.

So there is the story about this guy and why he has bad feelings for FS and JAWS, even the RNIB and other blind organisations. Thanks, Sky.

.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 12:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The future of NVDA

 

I am not qualified enough to comment on this subject, but I'll say one thing for the author. He seems to be filled with glee over the prospect of the demise of VFO FKA Freedom Scientific.

 

 

On 6/1/2018 12:40 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John

 



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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: The future of NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

I am not qualified enough to comment on this subject, but I'll say one thing for the author. He seems to be filled with glee over the prospect of the demise of VFO FKA Freedom Scientific.



On 6/1/2018 12:40 AM, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John

 


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


The future of NVDA

Sky Mundell
 

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN

 

Hi Sky,

 

I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.

 

I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.

 

Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.

 

Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.

 

There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.

 

Live long and prosper, John