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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Chris
Is that not normal then? Whilst it extracts the files?
From: Ângelo Abrantes
Sent: 01 June 2018 12:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
when I begin to run the installer, after update. It plays the normal music, and then, before starting the installation, it plays the same music again. Ângelo Abrantes
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Re: The future of NVDA
erik burggraaf <erik@...>
Speech interfaces for computers have been commercially viable for at least 30 years. However, they're not commercially successful. Even after 30 years, 50 to 100 hours of training is required to get fully accurate voice dictation. The cost of commercial products is still exorbitantly high, because the products are built for medical markets where cost is less a factor. Computers themselves, especially desktop computers, or so complex that the number of voice commands required to fully use a computer is astronomically High. Moreover, most people are not comfortable talking to a computer. Most people in fact are not even comfortable leaving a message on somebody's voicemail. Just go check your messages. You will hear a lot of nervous stuttering. I recently conducted a training on Jaws for windows with dragon and JC. The amount of overhead required to browse the internet was so high, that the excellent business laptop bought for the purpose could not keep up. Those 3 products working in conjunction only support Windows 7, Internet Explorer, and Office 2013. They say it will work with office 2016, but don't recommend it. So, a user that requires that interface is left with a legacy operating system n secure browsing and other system factors. Not liking vfo is just good sense. Not supporting vfo with your cash dollars is excellent policy. I'm sorry your friend is carrying a personal Grudge. It sounds like he has at least some good reason. Dispersion of light is not a great argument for the future success technology the period the fact of the matter is, voice dictation is simply not up to the level of speed, accuracy, and start-up efficiency you can get from a keyboard and mouse. Even a touch screen is far more efficient. Unless you have no access to these things because of motor or physical impairment, there's really no justification for it. Morning To close off, let me say that I dictated this entire message, with a few stops to collect my thoughts. For demonstration purposes, I left all of the mistakes in place, so that you could see what it really looks like. I'm sure you've seen this before. It just goes to show that the keyboard is going to be around for quite a long time. Have fun, Erik
On June 1, 2018 12:41:14 AM "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...> wrote:
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Re: The future of NVDA
Lino Morales
Well ask NV Access during NVDA Con which starts today 3PM. ED today. The schedule can be found at: www.nvdacon.org/
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sky Mundell <skyt@...>
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 12:40:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say. From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Hi Sky,
I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.
I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.
Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.
Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.
There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.
Live long and prosper, John
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Re: The future of NVDA
Ron Canazzi
I also like Star Trek; what of it?
On 6/1/2018 3:45 AM, The Gamages via
Groups.Io wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Ângelo Abrantes
when I begin to run the installer, after update. It plays the normal music, and then, before starting the installation, it plays the same music again.Greetings. Ângelo Abrantes
Às 12:13 de 01-06-2018, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
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Re: The future of NVDA
CJ
HI, a good response and very on the money as far as I am concerned. Having been sighted all the points you make in your piece make perfect sense too me as what you have said is so accurate. My regards, CJ.
On 01/06/2018 11:43, Gene wrote:
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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Quentin Christensen
Interesting, is this when you first run the installer, or after you install it and it starts up? And is it a specific amount of times (twice, three times) or continuously? In any case, does rebooting help?
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available
Quentin Christensen
Reef did most of the work, and he can see more than I can. Of course, if anyone does see or find anything out of place or which doesn't look right, do please let us know! Kind regards Quentin.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@...> wrote:
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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Ângelo Abrantes
it's playing it one after the other,and i'm using windows7, Thanks. Ângelo Abrantes I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my Às 11:23 de 01-06-2018, Quentin
Christensen escreveu:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available
Adriani Botez
Yes Quentin was involved in the development process.
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Has someone verified they look good on screen, in case we need to walk a sighted user through them? Best, Felix
2018-06-01 12:59 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available
Felix G.
Has someone verified they look good on screen, in case we need to walk a sighted user through them? Best, Felix 2018-06-01 12:59 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available
Quentin Christensen
Thanks Felix! Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work. It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available
Felix G.
Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view. Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational. Best, Felix 2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:
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Re: message
Felix G.
Test passed. 2018-06-01 12:31 GMT+02:00 zaran bilal <zaranbilal@...>:
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Re: The future of NVDA
Felix G.
Hi! I agree that keyboards will be around for a long time because they allow structured input at a speed and precision which speech cannot provide, even in environments with loud background noise or when voice is simply not an option for other reasons, such as that cold I'm recovering from as I am writing this. The question is what the primary input modality will be. For many smart phone users, the primary input modality has already shifted from a physical keyboard to a hybrid of voice dictation and touch screen keyboard. I, on the other hand, will probably be a pc and physical keyboard person for years to come as it's just my preferred way of communicating with the machines. So in summary, I do hope NVDA will embrace all the voice-based input modalities Windows will take up, but I also hope that we traditional physical keyboard people will never be left out. Best, Felix 2018-06-01 10:01 GMT+02:00 Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...>:
Actually the demise of the keyboard has many times been predicted, but until there is a foolproof way to correct errors in dictation other than using typed in letters, keyboards will be with us. I do worry about soft screen like keyboards however, but since a basic keyboard can be built for a very cheap price, I do not see their total demise for perhaps 10 years, when I'll probably be ashes.
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Re: The future of NVDA
Gene
Your friend is so biased that his opinions about
Window-eyes and JAWS are highly suspect. And he so much wants something to
be so that he extrapolates without considering very important factors.
Whatever happens to keyboards, some sort of ability for sighted people to do
things on a screen in other means than speech will remain, touch screens, for
example. Consider some examples:
Consider reviewing a rough draft. Which is
faster? A sighted person is not going to listen to an entire document
being read, looking for alterations to make in a draft nor is he/she going to
waste time telling the word processor to find the phrase, and continue speaking
from the stop of the phrase until he says start to define the end of the phrase,
then take some sort of action such as delete it. If he wants to
delete a phrase, what is the person going to do, move to a passage using speech,
mark the start of the passage with speech, then mark the end of the passage with
speech then say delete, then say insert and speak a new passage? The same
with copying and pasting from one document to another,
And such operations are also far more efficient
using a keyboard. I should add that I haven't used programs that operate a
computer with speech. If I'm wrong, and people who use such programs know
I am wrong, I await correction. That's how things appear to
me.
What about file management? Consider using
speech to tell a computer you want to delete fifteen noncontiguous files in a
list of two hundred. Consider how you might do it with speech as opposed
to using a keyboard.
And considerations of speed and efficiency are true
when using the keyboard and a screen-reader as well. I've mainly discussed
sighted users because innovations are developed for sighted users.
Speech will become increasingly popular and
powerful. It won't replace visual access and manipulation in
computers.
I don't use spread sheets but I expect those who do
may point out how cumbersome it would be to use speech with a spread sheet to
perform any somewhat complex series of operations with a screen-reader and some
may want to comment on the visual comparison..
As for JAWS versus Window-eyes, I won't say much
but it's not the fault of JAWS if the person was misled by his college advisor
to learn a screen-reader that has always been a far second in terms of its use
in business and institutions. He should take his anger at FS, if he must
spend so much time and energy being angry, and direct it where it belongs.
I could write paragraphs about why JAWS was dominant, some of it because it got
started first in the DOS screen-reader arena, some of it because it built up all
sorts of relationships with institutions, and some because it was better for
more employment situations than Window-eyes. How many years did
Window-eyes refuse to use scripts and limit the functionality of the
screen-reader in a stubborn attempt to distinguish itself from JAWS?
Finally, what did they do? They used scripts, which they didn't call
scripts, but apps. They weren't apps, and language should be
respected. Words have meanings and you can't, as one of the carachters
does in Through the Looking Glass, use any word to mean anything desired.
But enough. I'll leave the discussion to
others from this point unless I have something additional to add.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
voice commands, fine, but how does your friend check what he has ordered?
just a leap of faith, or a sort of screen reader which tells him, think about
it.
By his closing your friend is a Trekkie, [star trec fan]
Best Regards,
Jim.
Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question. Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say. From: bj colt
[mailto:bjcolt@...]
Hi Sky,
I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.
I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping This does spell the end of VFO.
Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go.
Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.
There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.
Live long and prosper, John
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Re: Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Quentin Christensen
Is it playing it one after the other, or at the same time? Also, are you running Windows 10 insider builds? I updated to the Fast Insider build that came out this morning 17677, and I immediately noticed that I was getting a crackling, almost reverb effect. If that is the case, when you reboot the computer, it should go away. I am using the built-in Realtek audio on my HP desktop, and it generally works ok. Quentin.
On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Ângelo Abrantes <ampa4374@...> wrote: Ângelo Abrantes --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Why ar NVDA next versions playing two musics when are installing?
Ângelo Abrantes
Ângelo Abrantes
--- Este e-mail foi verificado em termos de vírus pelo software antivírus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Browser mode in Windows 10 Apps
Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
Hello!
I hope they're all right. I'd like to ask if there's any way to turn on browsing mode in Windows 10 store applications such as Spotify or Whatsapp. While desktop versions are available for download here, it would be interesting to know how to use this feature in store applications so that you can work better. In the case of the above mentioned applications you can work with the other versions, but if there is no alternative version there is no other possibility. I look forward to hearing from you!
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