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Re: got to the nvda con late, but interesting and a question about snapshot vs official versions

Adriani Botez
 

Scott,

 

if you just want to test some features in master of build snapshots, you also can just run it on the computer. This is the third option in the installation dialog. In this case the snapshot is not being installed, it will just run until you exit NVDA.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New Zealand
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2018 09:11
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] got to the nvda con late, but interesting and a question about snapshot vs official versions

 

Hi Scott

 

I have all 3 on this computer.

 

if you are looking at either the next snapshots alfa code or master beta code or the stable version i have done the following.

 

maybe the easiest way to do it now is grab a copy of the latest 2018.2 rc2 version and install it to your pc I am guessing you have it already.

 

if you want to try the next snapshots or the master snapshots go to the following page at https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

This time for both the next and master snap shots on your c:\ drive make a directory say called next snapshots and also one for master snapshots.

 

Download the next snapshot and click on it  the talking installer will come up, there is some documentation you have to agree 2 then after that is 3 options choose the second option to make a portable version and point it towards the next directory you have made and install the files into that.

These are done on the C: drive in the folder you made.

 

Repeat the process to the master snapshot still using the second option to make a portable and point that towards the master snapshot folder and put all the files into that.

This is also on the c: drive

 

So now when you look on the c: drive there will be your 2 directories you have made one for next snapshots and one for master snapshots and they will have files in them.

 

You will need to make a short cut from the desk top to those folders but look for the nvda.exe file within each folder.

 

so on my desk top there is a short cut to start my next snap shot but under the properties of the short cut i assigned a short cut alt + ctrl + the letter A for alfa

 

I repeated the process pointing it towards the nvda.exe file within the master snapshots folder and after it was created in the properties of the shortcut assigned a short cut which was ALT + CTRL + letter B to start the master snapshot  but the letter B was easier to remember for beta.

 

 

After that if you want to update either the next snap shot or the master snap shot it can be done while that version is running just go to the help then check for updates section and do it that way.

 

When it downloads now to your pc it will tell you it has been then install it to your directory this will automatically do it to what ever directory you had specified to do it in.

 

If you want to know what I mean exspecially with the new update feature have a look on my nvda audio tutorials page on my website of which there is a link in the email to it.

 

Just look for the new update feature and i think post poneing a update to nvda on a portable version tutorial.

 

it does not show you how to make the short cuts etc but am guessing you would know.

 

I like the new way of doing it far easier than the old way with a portable version.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 6/2/2018 11:55 AM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hi all.

I know I have not posted in here for a while.

 

I was at nvda con tonight.  I did not talk or anything but to say one thing in the text chat.

I’d love to try to become a resource of help, (tech support you might say), for the community.

I’m not around all the time right now but I’d do my best for you all.

I use the nvda snapshots right now and its installed as the default screen reader on my computer.

My question is could I switch to make this one as a portable copy and switch back to the official versions for the main copy that I’d use almost always like I do this snapshot right now?

I hope I made myself understandable.

Have a good night or day

 

 

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Fixing AutoLinks FireFox

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes this was my understanding as well.
I have on our web site my email address, but unless I tell the system its a link its just text and does not trigger anything special in any browser, it can of course be cut and pasted as a n email address but it does not use the mailt: link generator thingy.

I'm not a great fan of links to random places in message boards as they can be abused to make a person go somewhere with malicious code on it, so I'd imagine it may well be that the addresses are just text and that way the person can cut and past them. if he is saying some are links, this may well be because they go to sites facebook has found to be trust.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox


I don't know if webpages in forums automatically create code when someone posts a link such as www.etc. or http://www. etc. but if you don't see a link, it has nothing to do with your browser or screen-reader. You don't see one because there isn't one. You need code on a web page to tell the browser that something is a link. Just writing http://. etc. isn't a link.

E-mail programs are designed to treat such syntaxes as links.

Perhaps there is a way to tell your Facebook account to create a link when it sees such entries. I don't use Facebook and I don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox


I have no idea, as I'm not on facebook. is this perhaps some oddity in the
way facebook pages are rendered?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 7:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] Fixing AutoLinks FireFox


Hi NVDA Users,

When I post an EMail, that contains a URL pasted in the body of the
text, in my email the text is linked, on Facebook, the link
disappears.
It does not appear as a link when viewing the message on Facebook
after posting. See below.
In the Meantime...
Access our Free Past MOOC Course Materials!

& Follow the IWP online:
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fuiowa.us8.…

Is there a way to go into FireFox via about:preferences and change
something to an automatic link all the time?

Or, should I look for a new user-friendly browser?

What is the consensus on Opera, Sea Monkey, or something else for
windows Seven, NVDA 2016? I'm happy with things as they are, aside
from Mozilla. Using a classic version to avoid further hell. Thanks.
David Russell


Re: got to the nvda con late, but interesting and a question about snapshot vs official versions

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Scott


I have all 3 on this computer.


if you are looking at either the next snapshots alfa code or master beta code or the stable version i have done the following.


maybe the easiest way to do it now is grab a copy of the latest 2018.2 rc2 version and install it to your pc I am guessing you have it already.


if you want to try the next snapshots or the master snapshots go to the following page at https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

This time for both the next and master snap shots on your c:\ drive make a directory say called next snapshots and also one for master snapshots.


Download the next snapshot and click on it  the talking installer will come up, there is some documentation you have to agree 2 then after that is 3 options choose the second option to make a portable version and point it towards the next directory you have made and install the files into that.

These are done on the C: drive in the folder you made.


Repeat the process to the master snapshot still using the second option to make a portable and point that towards the master snapshot folder and put all the files into that.

This is also on the c: drive


So now when you look on the c: drive there will be your 2 directories you have made one for next snapshots and one for master snapshots and they will have files in them.


You will need to make a short cut from the desk top to those folders but look for the nvda.exe file within each folder.


so on my desk top there is a short cut to start my next snap shot but under the properties of the short cut i assigned a short cut alt + ctrl + the letter A for alfa


I repeated the process pointing it towards the nvda.exe file within the master snapshots folder and after it was created in the properties of the shortcut assigned a short cut which was ALT + CTRL + letter B to start the master snapshot  but the letter B was easier to remember for beta.



After that if you want to update either the next snap shot or the master snap shot it can be done while that version is running just go to the help then check for updates section and do it that way.


When it downloads now to your pc it will tell you it has been then install it to your directory this will automatically do it to what ever directory you had specified to do it in.


If you want to know what I mean exspecially with the new update feature have a look on my nvda audio tutorials page on my website of which there is a link in the email to it.


Just look for the new update feature and i think post poneing a update to nvda on a portable version tutorial.


it does not show you how to make the short cuts etc but am guessing you would know.


I like the new way of doing it far easier than the old way with a portable version.


Gene nz



On 6/2/2018 11:55 AM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hi all.

I know I have not posted in here for a while.

 

I was at nvda con tonight.  I did not talk or anything but to say one thing in the text chat.

I’d love to try to become a resource of help, (tech support you might say), for the community.

I’m not around all the time right now but I’d do my best for you all.

I use the nvda snapshots right now and its installed as the default screen reader on my computer.

My question is could I switch to make this one as a portable copy and switch back to the official versions for the main copy that I’d use almost always like I do this snapshot right now?

I hope I made myself understandable.

Have a good night or day

 

 

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Gene
 

Here are the last two or three sentences of my message. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
I didn't say my opinion has been scientifically proven nor that it applies to everyone.  I think, I don't know, that it applies to the majority, perhaps to most people but I don't know that.  I said it should be studied. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

That maybe true for you it may be true for Jean, but that doesn’t mean that everybody in the world has the same opinion or the same experiences that you or Jean does.



David Tanner

From my iPhone 8

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















got to the nvda con late, but interesting and a question about snapshot vs official versions

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hi all.

I know I have not posted in here for a while.

 

I was at nvda con tonight.  I did not talk or anything but to say one thing in the text chat.

I’d love to try to become a resource of help, (tech support you might say), for the community.

I’m not around all the time right now but I’d do my best for you all.

I use the nvda snapshots right now and its installed as the default screen reader on my computer.

My question is could I switch to make this one as a portable copy and switch back to the official versions for the main copy that I’d use almost always like I do this snapshot right now?

I hope I made myself understandable.

Have a good night or day

 

 

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: The future of NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Brian,
<snip I have a story about one user who got so annoyed with the dictation he
swore at it, it transcribed all the swear words perfectly of course!
PL] I have heard it before.

Pranav


Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have you already got nvda installed? if so do the following.


If you grab the latest version of NVDA which is 2018.2 rc2 make sure you
install it to your computer first.

The reason for this is after you have made a portable copy now you do
not have to do all the other steps as you used to do.

While nvda is running use the nvda key + letter N, arrow down to tools a
sub menu will come off it then arrow down to the one that says make a
portable copy then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up         it will land in a edit area. Now
install your usb stick into the computer you should hear nvda say the
drive letter like e: drive. While in the edit area still make sure it is
clear as in no text then type in the drive letter and folder name. for
example e:\nvda Then tab a couple of times and you will hear nvda say
copy current configuration.  If you want to check the box with the space
bar then Next you will hear nvda say Start the new portable copy after
creation and you can if you want it to start check this box as well.
Then tab to continue then press the enter key it will now install nvda
to your usb stick in a folder called nvda on the e:\ drive and put all
the files into it.

After that has been done the next time you want to upgrade the version
of nvda while it is running from off the usb stick is go to the help
menu then check for updates. It will tell you if there is one. If there
is you can then download it to your usb stick. it will then give you a
message when it is down press the enter key on the ok button then
install it. It will update over the version that is on the usb stick
just like you do when you use the installer copy of nvda.

I put a audio tutorial  up on the nvda audio tutorials page showing it
can be either done on a usb stick or off a portable version on the
computer..  I think in the tutorial it also shows how to post pone the
update 2.

I think the tutorial is called like the new update feature and post
poning a update but it is around the USB section on the page.

Hope the above helps.

Gene nz

On 6/2/2018 4:54 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Could some kind soul outline steps for upgrading an existing portable
installation of NVDA? I keep having to start over each time an upgrade
is released, because I can't figure out how to use the executable to
direct its update path to, say, e:\nvda. Thanks in advance for your
guidance.




Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

 

Then, there is sub-vocalization. It's something being worked on.


However, I agree that a keyboard interface isn't going anywhere soon.





On 6/1/2018 11:41 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Interesting discussion…
One thing that I think everyone could agree it’s true… Using voice is going to take away your privacy. I mean, how many of you have wanted to use voice to dictate anything when you are out in public? I think that the office example really hits home that point.
Thanks everyone for a great discussion!
(And, this was written using dictation, by the way.)
LM


On Jun 1, 2018, at 22:49, David Tanner <david.tanner100@...> wrote:

That maybe true for you it may be true for Jean, but that doesn’t mean that everybody in the world has the same opinion or the same experiences that you or Jean does.



David Tanner

From my iPhone 8

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Laurie Mehta
 

Interesting discussion…
One thing that I think everyone could agree it’s true… Using voice is going to take away your privacy. I mean, how many of you have wanted to use voice to dictate anything when you are out in public? I think that the office example really hits home that point.
Thanks everyone for a great discussion!
(And, this was written using dictation, by the way.)
LM


On Jun 1, 2018, at 22:49, David Tanner <david.tanner100@...> wrote:

That maybe true for you it may be true for Jean, but that doesn’t mean that everybody in the world has the same opinion or the same experiences that you or Jean does.



David Tanner

From my iPhone 8

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

David Tanner
 

That maybe true for you it may be true for Jean, but that doesn’t mean that everybody in the world has the same opinion or the same experiences that you or Jean does.



David Tanner

From my iPhone 8

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

David Tanner
 

Well we all have a right to our own opinions, but that doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily the correct opinion for everyone. I think your comments are a little prejudiced.



David Tanner

From my iPhone 8

On Jun 1, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I actually dictated part of my research paper and submitted it. I had to as I speak the way I  write and it was much much easier to get my thoughts down if I spoke them. It actually came out quite well.

On Jun 1, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language.  
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean. 

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick 

Dr. Rick Ely 
TVI, Vision Consultant 
451 Rocky Hill Road 
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office 
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will 
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a 
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be 
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what 
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done 
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop 
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other 
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this 
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said 
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps 
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. 
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. 
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping 
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then 
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a 
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping 
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key 
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our 
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell 
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't 
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high 
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out 
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in 
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when 
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other 
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they 
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any 
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John
















Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

 

Download a new installer, run it in portable mode and then upgrade your portable config.

On 6/2/2018 12:50 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I'm thinking he might. So, is there a way to upgrade the portable version if you have no installed copy on said system?

On Jun 1, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I'm wondering if he means if you are running a portable version. it will become a lot easier when this next update is released as you can actually download and install portable versions as it knows the path you are running it from, which makes things a whole lot nicer to do.
At the moment, if you have an older version, run it, do a check for updates and the download will end up being done in your default browser, then you can run it as before but you still need to tell it where to overwrite the version you were running. However if that new version is the current rc or master or next snap, you will find that as the download now is handled by the portable copy, it prompts only for install or postpone.
Most of the navigation and browsing for folders is gone, but you can still create new versions or indeed make an installed version from the copy as previously mentioned.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


Richard,

Well, you don't really update an existing portable copy of NVDA, you just re-create it either during your install of the NVDA update or afterward, following the directions below:

*Creating a Portable Copy of NVDA from the Installed Copy*

1. Open NVDA then the main NVDA menu (NVDA Key+N)

2. Down Arrow to the Tools Submenu, then right Arrow to open the Tools Submenu

3. Down arrow to the Create Portable Copy submenu item and activate.

4. In the Create Portable NVDA dialog, I find it easiest to navigate to the Browse button and activate same to get a Browse dialog to specify the folder where I want the portable copy to be placed. This is almost always a thumb drive or SD Card, but you can create it in a folder on your hard drive and later copy it elsewhere

5. If you wish to copy your current user configuration to the same folder along with the portable copy, then check the Copy current user configuration checkbox

6. If you wish to start the portable copy you're creating immediately after creating it, check the Start the new portable copy after creation checkbox

7. Navigate to the Continue button and activate. Your portable copy will be created in the location you specified in Step 3.



--

*Brian* *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken , AKA The Sage of Baltimore



Re: Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm thinking he might. So, is there a way to upgrade the portable version if you have no installed copy on said system?

On Jun 1, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if he means if you are running a portable version. it will become a lot easier when this next update is released as you can actually download and  install portable versions as it knows the path you are running it from, which makes things a whole lot nicer to do.
At the moment, if you have an older version, run it, do a check for updates and the download will end up being done in your default browser, then you can run it as  before but you still need to tell it where to overwrite the version you were running. However if that new version is  the current rc or master or next snap, you will find that as the download now is handled by the portable copy, it prompts only for install or postpone.
Most of the  navigation and browsing for folders is gone, but you can still create new versions or indeed make an installed version from the copy as previously mentioned.
Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easiest Way to Upgrade an Existing Portable Installation


Richard,

Well, you don't really update an existing portable copy of NVDA, you just re-create it either during your install of the NVDA update or afterward, following the directions below:

*Creating a Portable Copy of NVDA from the Installed Copy*

1. Open NVDA then the main NVDA menu (NVDA Key+N)

2. Down Arrow to the Tools Submenu, then right Arrow to open the Tools Submenu

3. Down arrow to the Create Portable Copy submenu item and activate.

4. In the Create Portable NVDA dialog, I find it easiest to navigate to the Browse button and activate same to get a Browse dialog to specify the folder where I want the portable copy to be placed. This is almost always a thumb drive or SD Card, but you can create it in a folder on your hard drive and later copy it elsewhere

5. If you wish to copy your current user configuration to the same folder along with the portable copy, then check the Copy current user configuration checkbox

6. If you wish to start the portable copy you're creating immediately after creating it, check the Start the new portable copy after creation checkbox

7. Navigate to the Continue button and activate. Your portable copy will be created in the location you specified in Step 3.



--

*Brian* *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

~ H.L. Mencken , AKA The Sage of Baltimore




Re: The future of NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I never  went back and read the message via braille so I can personally say that the message sounded fine and I thought you typed it all. So yeah  I think dictation is the wave of the future, or maybe the way of the future? I did dictate maybe 10 percent of my college thesis as I was lazy and did not want to type it, besides I articulate how  I type anyway so no issues there.

On Jun 1, 2018, at 4:51 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Speech interfaces for computers have been commercially viable for at least 30 years. However, they're not commercially successful. Even after 30 years, 50 to 100 hours of training is required to get fully accurate voice dictation. The cost of commercial products is still exorbitantly high, because the products are built for medical markets where cost is less a factor. Computers themselves, especially desktop computers, or so complex that the number of voice commands required to fully use a computer is astronomically High. Moreover, most people are not comfortable talking to a computer. Most people in fact are not even comfortable leaving a message on somebody's voicemail. Just go check your messages. You will hear a lot of nervous stuttering. I recently conducted a training on Jaws for windows with dragon and JC. The amount of overhead required to browse the internet was so high, that the excellent business laptop bought for the purpose could not keep up. Those 3 products working in conjunction only support Windows 7, Internet Explorer, and Office 2013. They say it will work with office 2016, but don't recommend it. So, a user that requires that interface is left with a legacy operating system n secure browsing and other system factors.

Not liking vfo is just good sense. Not supporting vfo with your cash dollars is excellent policy. I'm sorry your friend is carrying a personal Grudge. It sounds like he has at least some good reason. Dispersion of light is not a great argument for the future success technology the period the fact of the matter is, voice dictation is simply not up to the level of speed, accuracy, and start-up efficiency you can get from a keyboard and mouse. Even a touch screen is far more efficient. Unless you have no access to these things because of motor or physical impairment, there's really no justification for it. Morning

To close off, let me say that I dictated this entire message, with a few stops to collect my thoughts. For demonstration purposes, I left all of the mistakes in place, so that you could see what it really looks like. I'm sure you've seen this before. It just goes to show that the keyboard is going to be around for quite a long time. Have fun, Erik

On June 1, 2018 12:41:14 AM "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.
From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN
 
Hi Sky,
 
I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other apps using voice only ordering.
 
I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell the end of VFO.
 
Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't any other way for web developers to go. 
 
Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.
 
There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.
 
Live long and prosper, John
 


Re: message

Sarah k Alawami
 

I normally reject messages like this. You are on my lists if you are new and want to send a test message to ask a question or at least introduce yourself. That is a good form of a test.. That's actually a tip I give to new list members, I think both in my welcome notices and my soft rejections Someoen gave me that advice once and it has worked for me.

Take care and be blessed.

On Jun 1, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi


yep just read it.


Gene nz



On 6/1/2018 10:31 PM, zaran bilal wrote:
i am a new subscriber i want to check that my email reached to you all
members thanks.





Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually dictated part of my research paper and submitted it. I had to as I speak the way I  write and it was much much easier to get my thoughts down if I spoke them. It actually came out quite well.

On Jun 1, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language.  
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean. 

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick 

Dr. Rick Ely 
TVI, Vision Consultant 
451 Rocky Hill Road 
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office 
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will 
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a 
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be 
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what 
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done 
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop 
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other 
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this 
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said 
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps 
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out. 
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one. 
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping 
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then 
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a 
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping 
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key 
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our 
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell 
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't 
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high 
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out 
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in 
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when 
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other 
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they 
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any 
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John
















Re: NVDA and teemtalk?

luke scholey
 

That was an issue with the NVDACon TeamTalk server that has now been fixed.
Luke

On 1 Jun 2018, at 19:52, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks.
Trying to log in to nvdacon with teemtalk.
I've never seen this message come up before.
An error occurred while perform a requested command:
Commands are issued too fast. Flood protection.

OK



Re: Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
Gene I think you make some very cogent points here. there is definitely in my view a difference between written and oral language usage. Similarly I notice that language for me often becomes more polished when I’m in a heavier book reading phase too. It makes me appreciate the precious commodity and beauty that words themselves possess and convey. such a study done thoroughly in an academic setting could indeed be very interesting. Again for those who have dexterity issues I understand the advantage dictation can offer but I hope it never becomes the ultimate be al and end all as such.
Take good care.
Robin
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
A long time ago, when there were no personal computers, I tried dictating rough drafts of one or two college papers instead of writing the rough draft.  The quality of writing wasn't nearly as good so I wrote out the drafts and discarded what I had dictated.  I may not have dictated more than a page or two before I stopped.  When I listened to the results of my partial work, they were inferior.  I don't think it's just a question of slower work.  I think that when you write, you think differently in terms of your use of language. 
 
You see comercials promoting dictation software showing students using it.  But this is something that should be challenged by educators and a public discussion should be had on the subject.  In my opinion, such software, advertised as a replacement for typing may be deceptive and should be challenged so we can find out.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA
 
Afternoon, or at least here it is.
Long time in the past, I did graduate study work on the writing process and computers. Any speech recognition work that was being done then was at Bell Labs or MIT, so there was no consideration of it as a writing tool. What I do know is that the process for experienced  writers when composing is far different than the processes we use when speaking. Keyboards or even handwriting provide humans the time to switch between long and short term memory and the time needed to use the mediating steps we use writing. Maybe that is why some folks get in trouble when they speak with no mediation, no comments about just who that might be. I fear Tweeting is more like talking than writing, lots more chance to write what you didn't quite mean.

As to brain implants, I hate the fact that forces out there are tracking every web site I visit and everything I purchase. I am not ready for Google or Amazon to be poking about in my brain. Just speaking for me, I think I could get in a great deal of trouble that way. Just saying, not thinking.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 3:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

Actually, I was thinking the other day, that it won't be long before we have brain implants and everyone will be doing twitter and Face Book via thought.
We'll definitely need self-driving cars then.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 1:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA

No we will eventually get a brain implant to communicate instead.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Brandly" <jbrandly@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Voice Activation, was The future of NVDA


I can see voice activation taking off in a home setting but not in an office
or public setting. Keyboards will be around forever.
Janet

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The future of NVDA

Hello NVDA community. It’s Sky. I wanted to ask you guys a question.  Will
NVDA be incorporating voice commands in into the screen reader? Because a
friend of mine has told me that in three years everything is going to be
voice activated. Yes we have dictation bridge for Voice activation, but what
my friend means is that in three years, the computers, etc. will all be done
via Voice activation without a keyboard. Here is what he has to say.

From: bj colt [mailto:bjcolt@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:12 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: CSUN



Hi Sky,



I just received an email from my local supermarket. I do an on line shop
there every week. From today I can order it via Alexa, Google home and other
apps using voice only ordering.



I did say this is the way forward. With Amazon and Google competing, this
voice activation is going to be the next huge thing in computing. I've said
this for a while as you know. The next step is using actual programs/apps
via voice activation. Just watch my friend. VFO is finished, on the way out.
They won't be able to compete in an open market. Not as huge as this one.
Just imagine my friend. At the moment I have my favorites in a shopping
list. Think about the key strokes I need to use to get to them? Then
additional items. I have to do a search of often up to 40 products with a
similar name. arrowing down, tabbing down. Then adding them to my shopping
basket. Going through the dates for delivery and times. Then all the key
strokes in using my card details authorization process. All done with our
voice. At least quarter of the time normally spent shopping. This does spell
the end of VFO.



Everything is going to be voice activated in the next 3 years. There isn't
any other way for web developers to go.



Progress sometimes my friend is slow but when it starts, it is like a high
speed jet aircraft. Nothing stands in it's way.



There will be some people who won't change. Or use both methods to carry out
tasks. Now VFO have to utilize jws to act on voice commands. With Dug in
Microsoft. I can see VFO being left thousands of miles behind. Then when
they introduce pay monthly fees. The very fast extinction of jws and other
products will come to a very sudden and dramatic halt. They may think they
have the market share for programs relating of the blind. They don't any
more and they are the ones who are blind and not us.



Live long and prosper, John















Re: message

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


yep just read it.


Gene nz

On 6/1/2018 10:31 PM, zaran bilal wrote:
i am a new subscriber i want to check that my email reached to you all
members thanks.



Re: problem with rc2

Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

That happened a lot when I used espeak as my default synth. But that wasant the only problem I think it was a windows 10 problem and that was when I was running the release back in july of 2015 which was build 1507.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hi,

Er, I assume this is 2018.2 RC2, correct? The chipmunk sound should be from 20181 days.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Yes, it is 1803.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hello,

 

on which windows 10 are you? Is it the spring creators update 1803?

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gary Metzler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 23:01
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] problem with rc2

 

Hi All,

 

I just installed rc2 with the following result.  I use the ms one core voice verra it came up sounding like a chipmunk.  Changing the voice rate and pitch didn’t really help.  I hope this can be fixed.  I went back to 1803.1.  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary kn4ox

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