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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

thanks brian for your help.
yes, i use 32bit and wish that use 32bit system and softwares forever.
how about slimjet, chromium and opera?
did you test any of these softwares too?
do you mean that all firefox 52esr versions of firefox are slow on xp
and old hardwares?
the only version of firefox which i did not have any crash or
slowness, was firefox 25

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Onn of the problems you will find is that most are 64 bit so if you are
still using 32 bit computers, you are not going to be able to run them.
Unfortunately, Firefox 52.8esr is very slow to start on older hardware.
I did try to find a usable installer fro xp chrome but it seems to have
been deleted from every site I've looked at and there is no guarantee that
even if it were the full installer that it would be able to work very well
with newer web sites.
I think most of the others like pale moon and vivaldi based on firefox are
either so cut down there is no accessibility api or they suffer the same
issue of slowdown on firefox esr.
The only thing I can say and its really at ones own risk is that older
versions say 45 of firefox are considerably faster on xp and slower hardware

but may not be totally safe or have much support left.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] i need list of accessible browsers


hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

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I don't know slimjet but Opera was rubbish for me.
I have not tried others as as you say they are based on the same basic engines so there really is no point. Most of them are based around the google code or the mozilla code. I am currently liking waterfox but its based around the 64 bit version of the pre quanntum firefox. It is however much snappier than the firefox vversion.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] i need list of accessible browsers


but many people experienced different browsers and i wish that know
your experience as well as other users observation and test with other
browsers.
which of the browsers that i mentioned did you test?
chromium, vivaldi, slimjet and opera.
i need chrome based browsers for reading pdfs and there is not any
perfect and accessible free program that can supports farsi pdf files
for me.
also, between chromium and google chrome, which one is the best
program for accessibility using with nvda?

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria, then

you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own assessment
of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people other

than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't
exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with
JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser /
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

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Onn of the problems you will find is that most are 64 bit so if you are still using 32 bit computers, you are not going to be able to run them. Unfortunately, Firefox 52.8esr is very slow to start on older hardware.
I did try to find a usable installer fro xp chrome but it seems to have been deleted from every site I've looked at and there is no guarantee that even if it were the full installer that it would be able to work very well with newer web sites.
I think most of the others like pale moon and vivaldi based on firefox are either so cut down there is no accessibility api or they suffer the same issue of slowdown on firefox esr.
The only thing I can say and its really at ones own risk is that older versions say 45 of firefox are considerably faster on xp and slower hardware but may not be totally safe or have much support left.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] i need list of accessible browsers


hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: external serial synthesisers

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Do you really need this? I have a dectalk software emulation as an add on on my nvda, not sure where it came from though.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Paton" <patonplace@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 8:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] external serial synthesisers




Morning all,

I want to use NVDA current release, with an old but lovely dectalk
express, connected to com3 at the present.

Where should I point the old borwser to locate a suitable set of drivers
for this device?

Many thanks.



Re: reading very big texts in command-line applications, for example sdkmanager #addonrelease #addonrelesae

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Yes me too, very handy and you can append by using>> of course
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2018 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading very big texts in command-line applications, for example sdkmanager #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae


Another thing I often do is pipe the text to a file, like:
netstat /B > connections.txt

Then I can just open connections.txt in my favorite text editor & look
to my heart's content.

On 6/3/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Since you mentioned that the text is “very big”, it sounds like maybe it’s
scrolling off the screen. This isn’t anything to do with NVDA, but it should
make it easier to review a long stream of command line output. Type in your
command string and append “|more”, to it, without quotes, but including the
vertical bar | symbol. When text reaches the bottom of the screen you will
see a prompt to press a key, which causes the text to scroll forward another
screen. This will keep happening until the command output has finished.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vova
Mobile
Sent: June 3, 2018 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading very big texts in command-line applications, for
example sdkmanager #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae



Hi all! Advise, please, how to read very long information messages in
applications of a command line tools with NVDA? For example, in dialogues of
SDKManager. Simple commands text viewing allow to read only a small part of
long dialogues. Objects navigation commands and commands of review cursor
also not worked.
Therefore i can't check the list of available addons to install in
command-line tools "sdkmanager" - list addons is very big.




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Re: "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository

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I think though that one is always going to find people writing thing out of a requirement they have not always conforming to the strict guidelines we have. It is always up to the user to decide the risks.
I also concede that anyone doing this and not in the know about new nvda versions might end up having an add on that screws up the software.
Also when python 3 version of nvda comes along simply dealing with the old legal and tested add ons is going to be a very big task for somebody!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Blackburn" <ianblackburn@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository


Safer to stick with the official add-on repository
Things have been tested there
On 3 Jun 2018, at 11:27 pm, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Lanie,

Thanks much! I'd far rather not "reinvent the wheel" and if someone has something they don't find in the official repository, or already in Jeff's, they'd ought to be sending them to him.

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Re: Question

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I think genes and my replies say most of what needs to be said on this.
Brian

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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2018 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question


Hi!
One GB of memory would be plenty for NVDA!
NVDA takes very little resources!
Have a wonderful day!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 5:51 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question

Hi good people:
I just want to know if there is a specific limit of gigabyte memory
space that a computer needs to have for NVDA to work effectively. How
much GB of memory space is required.
Hope to read a response.
I am Ibrahim.


Re: Possible Bug in 2018RC2: When navigating in Word 2016's backstage view items are repeated twice

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

David,

 

This is happening in version 2018.1.1 as well.

 

It also happens in Excel 2016. Does it happen in all Office programs?

 

 

In this fragment of the log file I can see that the menu selection occurs twice in the string but the first one should be a place marker or code reference as it starts with u’” Perhaps this is causing the incorrect double speaking of the menu item?

 

Here is the “Save As” recorded in the log file:

 

“Speaking [u'Save  Save  Alt, F, S']”

 

I am using:

NVDA version 2018.1.1

Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation

Using Python version 2.7.14 (v2.7.14:84471935ed, Sep 16 2017, 20:19:30) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

Found add-on Eloquence

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible Bug in 2018RC2: When navigating in Word 2016's backstage view items are repeated twice

 

Hi.

Not sure if this is a new bug but I don't recall this occurring with 2018.1.1.

 

Issue: When navigating in Word 2016's backstage view (file menu) each item is announced twice.

 

Steps to Reproduce

1. Open Word 2016 (Office 365.)

2. Press alt+F to open the backstage view.

3. Press down arrow to navigate items.

 

Actual Results

Each item is being announced twice. Example: "new new" "open open" 

 

Expected Results

Each item should be announced once.

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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

but many people experienced different browsers and i wish that know
your experience as well as other users observation and test with other
browsers.
which of the browsers that i mentioned did you test?
chromium, vivaldi, slimjet and opera.
i need chrome based browsers for reading pdfs and there is not any
perfect and accessible free program that can supports farsi pdf files
for me.
also, between chromium and google chrome, which one is the best
program for accessibility using with nvda?

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria, then

you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own assessment
of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people other

than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't
exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with
JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser /
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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I would not do it.
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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

Antony Stone
 

If you're looking for a list which is tuned to your personal criteria, then
you are the best person to create such a list, based on your own assessment of
what works well and what doesn't.

If you're looking for a general list which may be applicable to people other
than yourself, then I think I've already given reasons why it doesn't exist.


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 12:21:27, zahra wrote:

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra
features etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date
with these changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with JAWS
than with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech
output, so there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of a
browser that is meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you want
to do with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser /
screenreader combination may be best, but for other uses and users that
may not be the best choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:
hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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Re: i need list of accessible browsers

 

hi antony,
for number 2, as you know, i only have nvda on windows and dont know
and dont have any operating systems and screen reader except windows
and nvda.
i dont use video websites, online shopp, games, messengers, etc.
so, i need the information for general usage of browsers in
accessibility with nvda,
the browsers that are based on gecko and chrome,
and also specially about the browsers that i mentioned there names in
my previous comment.
please help, thanks so much, God bless you!

On 6/4/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra features

etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date with these
changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with JAWS
than
with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech output, so
there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of a browser that is

meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you want to
do
with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser / screenreader

combination may be best, but for other uses and users that may not be the
best
choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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Re: "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository

Brandon Cross <bcross3286@...>
 

I think people don't submit their addons for code review because hey don't want to be told their bloody var names aren't up to spec. I don't see what it matters if you use camel case, pascal case, or no case. I think auditing code should focus on things that actually do matter, like confirming that the code in question is non-malicious, will not significantly decrease NVDA's performance, will not collect and disseminate data without gaining user's permission and so on.

I should write an addon and see how far I get. Probably not far as I am not a good coder. It would be interesting what kinds of feedback I would get. If it was stuff like var names, or make sure your indents are the signature four spaces, etc. I'd probably chuckle and hand it over to someone like Jeff's repository. Though if I got feedback like, a better way to go about this is X, Y, and Z, I'd take it more seriously and try to implement it. I do see the necessity of this stuff if you're submitting a PR, or working with Core, because then it does matter. I also see the significance of conforming to the style of a project if you are a collaborator, but an addon is independent, and optional, if someone write a var like thisIsTheKeyThatTheUserPressedAndNowWeWillDoThingsWithIt, I mean I would never do that, but I mean who cares. My vars are like idx and itm, short which is how I like it, and if I think its questionable what it will do I will comment. I am bad about putting comments in code too, and I do realize the importance of that, since some of my work takes place at 3 in the morning right before I go to bed sometimes and I don't remember doing it. I also wish that sometimes I would have written more useful things in the comments rather than strings of expletives. I mostly code in MOO on a MOO and the only other person who will care about it is the owner so, there's that.

As far as safety goes, I do agree, I wouldn't want to be seeing people destroy their machines over malicious addons, but what an you do, I'd definitely throw a disclaimer up on the community site if there isn't one already that says basically that NVAccess is not held responsible for the use of addons, and the use of addons outside this site may be dangerous, etc. There's only so much you can do to protect someone from themselves. And believe me, if they get bitten, they'll learn, I have and I have learned. I wiped out the data across two drives one time while messing around with partitioning on Linux when I didn't know what I was doing. I learned to do it correctly, I was, shall we say, highly motivated.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Vlad Dragomir <vladdragomir1983@...> wrote:
I totally agree with you Brian! Besides, this obsession about safety isn't always a great thing. I'm not saying that we should go out and look for trouble. However, non-official rarely means dangerous. I've been using computers since 2001, and benefited so much from taking risks and trying new things. Of course accidents happen sometimes,no one is 100 % safe from anything. But if you start by believing that every unknown person is a killer, we might as well spend the rest of our lives terrified in a buddhist monastry up in the mountains. And even that might not be safe actually.

I simply felt I should express these thought for those who might want to listen. This way, those who still hesitate can make an informed decision.

Best regards to all of you, both adventurous and afraid of their own shadows! *smile*

Vlad.





Re: i need list of accessible browsers

Antony Stone
 

I do not think you will find such a list, because:

1. browsers change too quickly, with new releases, bug fixes, extra features
etc, so it would be a lot of work to keep any list up to date with these
changes

2. there isn't a single measure of "accessibility" because some browser
features work better with NVDA than with JAWS, some work better with JAWS than
with Voiceover, some work better with Braille than with speech output, so
there isn't a single way of measuring the accessibility of a browser that is
meaningful to everyone

3. it also depends on what sort of websites you visit and what you want to do
with your browser, so for some purposes and users one browser / screenreader
combination may be best, but for other uses and users that may not be the best
choice.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 June 2018 at 11:31:32, zahra wrote:

hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!
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i need list of accessible browsers

 

hello every one.
i wish that find list of browsers based on chrome and based on firefox
and level of there accessibility.
how can i find such list?
can someone please send me the link?
also, did someone test opera recently to see its accessibility?
how about chromium, slimjet and vivaldi?
i appreciate any help, God bless you all!

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Best Synthesizer

Gene
 

They may be more responsive but they still have the issues so many of the more natural voices have, unnatural inflections, slurring between 2words, which, too often, sounds as though improper letters are in between words or a letter is missing, and mispronouncing far more words than a good older type of synthesizer like Eloquence. 
 
Synthesizers you pay for usually have demos so you can try them out and see what you think. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Hi,

I find a good compromise of human and responsive, is Vocalizer's compact voices.  The premium high voices, while sounding better, are not as responsive.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 24 May 2018 22:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

It depends what you are using it for as to what is "best".  You can get more human sounding voices which are good for reading text and you can have electronic sounding voices which are much more responsive when being used when programming for example.  As someone else posted, it's the one that suits you.

Cheers
Chris  

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. J. michael jones
Sent: 24 May 2018 13:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused.   My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
> On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>
> SAPI is not a speech engine.  It's a definition of a protocol enabling
> speech applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other
> applications (such as a browser).
>
> Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via
> SAPI, some can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.
>
> As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says
> nothing at all about the quality of its voices.
>
> Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
> sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one
> you like best and get on with best.  That may not be the same as what
> someone else likes.  These things are a very personal choice.
>
>
> Antony.
>
>> On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
>>
>> Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows.  The beauty and
>> flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
>> synthesizer voices.  Cheers!
>>
>>> On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
>>> It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
>>> with the computer.  it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
>>> terms of its speech or general quality.  sometimes, a synthesizer
>>> may have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI.  There is no
>>> reason to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> *From:* Chris via Groups.Io
>>> <mailto:chrismedley@...>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer
>>>
>>> There is nothing better than sapi voices
>>>
>>> Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now
>>> 😃
>
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Re: Best Synthesizer

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I find a good compromise of human and responsive, is Vocalizer's compact voices. The premium high voices, while sounding better, are not as responsive.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 24 May 2018 22:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

It depends what you are using it for as to what is "best". You can get more human sounding voices which are good for reading text and you can have electronic sounding voices which are much more responsive when being used when programming for example. As someone else posted, it's the one that suits you.

Cheers
Chris

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dr. J. michael jones
Sent: 24 May 2018 13:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

Thanks I’m confused. My question was what is the best? And I believe there is always a better maybe someone else has an opinion
On May 24, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

SAPI is not a speech engine. It's a definition of a protocol enabling
speech applications (synthesis or recognition) to interface to other
applications (such as a browser).

Some synthesisers can only communicate with other applications via
SAPI, some can do SAPI plus other protocols, some don't do SAPI at all.

As Gene said, whether a synthesiser communicates using SAPI says
nothing at all about the quality of its voices.

Also, to add another answer to the original question "what is the best
sounding synthesizer that NVDA supports?", I would say it's the one
you like best and get on with best. That may not be the same as what
someone else likes. These things are a very personal choice.


Antony.

On Thursday 24 May 2018 at 13:47:29, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Also, Sapi is a speech engine native to windows. The beauty and
flexibility of NVDA is that it allows for installation of Non-windows
synthesizer voices. Cheers!

On 5/24/2018 7:26 PM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that SAPI is a way that voices communicate
with the computer. it has nothing to do with the kind of voice in
terms of its speech or general quality. sometimes, a synthesizer
may have a SAPI version and a version that isn't SAPI. There is no
reason to use or not to use a voice because it is SAPI.
Gene

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<mailto:chrismedley@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:02 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Best Synthesizer

There is nothing better than sapi voices

Don’t waste your time or money on anything else. Have a nice day now
😃
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of the time, and the remaining fifty percent takes another ninety percent of the time.

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Re: Slack accessibility status?

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Robert and all,
I use Slack every day for my work with colleagues.
The telephone app works fine, but it is out of topic of this list.
I did not manage to use the desktop application that was not accessible when I tested it.
I use it now with Chrome, because Firefox used to be very slow.
I installed a script developed by NV-Access working with the script manager tampermonkey and it works fine.
Here is the link for the script:
https://github.com/nvaccess/axSGrease
You can set slack to not announce all notifications.
the script manager, tampermonkey can be found here:
http://tampermonkey.net/
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie

Le 02/06/2018 à 18:55, Robert Kingett a écrit :

Thanks! Is there an accessible desktop client yet? What is the status of automatic reading of incoming messages using ARIA? Is there an accessibility blog category I can keep up with? I would like to continue to get accessibility updates. I tried it, and, it works best on windows with FireFox. Sometimes, the sounds stutter when NVDA is talking, but this only happens in FireFox 60. Thanks again and keep me informed!


On 6/2/2018 1:42 AM, Tomi (Slack) wrote:
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Tomi (Slack)

Jun 1, 11:42 PM PDT

Hi Robert,

I'm just jumping in for Alan and Bel to let you know that we've added in-channel notification sounds for messages, @-mentions, and highlight words, and this should work for your NVDA + Windows configuration.

I hope this helps! Best,

Tomi


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external serial synthesisers

Joe Paton
 

Morning all,

I want to use NVDA current release, with an old but lovely dectalk
express, connected to com3 at the present.

Where should I point the old borwser to locate a suitable set of drivers
for this device?

Many thanks.


Re: NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Felix G.
 

Hello,
could this be related to the fact that two instances of NVDA are involved, one for reading the secure desktop, the other for reading the user context? What if the former does not relinquish control of the device for some odd reason?
Best,
Felix


2018-06-04 2:45 GMT+02:00 lauracornwell <lauracornwell1@...>:

Hey there, to all  I am looking for a link that we were talking about  today @ NVdACon   could someone  send me the Irc links please?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available

Thank you - the add-on may not have anything to do with it, but testing with it disabled is a good starting point.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io <mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> > wrote:


        Yes, the problem is similar to several of those reported in GitHub, except that I’m testing with a VFO/Freedom Scientific Focus display, and the display is successfully detected after resuming from laptop suspend – it’s just lost during the transition from the log-in dialogue to the desktop.



        I think the problem occurred before I installed the BrailleExtender add-on, but I’ll retest with the add-on disabled.



        From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
        Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 7:03 AM


        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
        Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available





        There's a couple of issues on GitHub on that - not sure if they are Braille display brand specific, but could you please have a look and let me know if any of those match what you are experiencing?  Just so we can make sure your issues is recorded.  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+braille+wake <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+braille+wake>



        Also you mentioned using the Braille-Extender add-on - I wanted to clarify - does the issue happen with that add-on enabled specifically?  IE if you disable the add-on does your display wake when the computer does?



        Regards



        Quentin.



        On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io <mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> > wrote:

                Having just upgraded a machine to 2018.2-rc2, everything seems to be stable so far, including the Braille-Extender add-on. I’m still experiencing the issue with the braille display not being active after returning to the desktop from laptop suspend (it’s properly re-activated during the log-in dialogue, but lost upon returning to the desktop). I reported the details in another thread.



                However, I was seeing that problem under 2018.1, so it isn’t a regression in 2018.2.



                From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
                Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 7:00 AM


                To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
                Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available



                Thanks Felix!



                Also, for those used to getting to the settings dialogs with the shortcut keys (NVDA+control+k to get to keyboard, NVDA+control+d for document formatting etc), those keys all still work.  It's just if you go via the NVDA menu, the key sequence has slightly changed.



                On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@... <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com> > wrote:

                        Wow! Congrats on an excellent RC from my point of view.

                        Just noticed that the preferences dialogs have been completely redesigned as a single dialog with categories. That'll take some getting used to, but I think the move is rational.

                        Best,

                        Felix



                        2018-06-01 2:31 GMT+02:00 Quentin Christensen <quentin@... <mailto:quentin@...> >:

                                No problem at all - and a much easier fix than if we had broken speech in the new version :)



                                On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@... <mailto:gmtravel@...> > wrote:

                                        Hi Quentin,



                                        Boy, do I feel stupid.  I installed 1803.1 rc2 by mistake.  I installed the correct version and all is working as it should.  Thanks,



                                        From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
                                        Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 8:06 PM
                                        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
                                        Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available



                                        Hi Gary,



                                        By "Verra", do you mean Microsoft Zira (and if so, SAPI 5 or OneCore?) or do you know which synthesizer or language she comes with?

                                        If a OneCore voice, we released NVDA 2018.1.1 specifically to address the OneCore voices from sounding like chipmunks in the Windows 10 April update, so if anything updating from anything to NVDA 2018.2rc2 should be more likely to fix that issue than cause it.  What do you have the rate and pitch etc set to, and what do you have the speed set to in Windows speech settings?



                                        I have been using eSpeak lately, but I changed to OneCore and SAPI 5 and I don't notice anything odd about Zira myself (happy to admit, that could just be "myself")



                                        Regards



                                        Quentin.



                                        On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@... <mailto:gmtravel@...> > wrote:

                                        Hi Quentin,



                                        I just installed rc2.  I j\ use verra now she sounds like she is on helium.  What can I do to get it back the way I like it?  Thanks for any help.



                                        From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
                                        Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 7:38 AM
                                        To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
                                        Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2rc2 now available



                                        Hi everyone,



                                        Well I was a little slow to post about NVDA 2018.2rc1, and before I had a chance, rc2 is out!



                                        This is a release candidate, which means that unless any critical issues are found, this will be identical to the final 2018.2 release.



                                        Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.



                                        You can download NVDA 2018.2rc2 here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2 <https://www.nvaccess.org/download?nvdaVersion=2018.2rc2>



                                        Find the full list of what's new available here: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2018.2rc2/nvda_2018.2rc2_changes.html <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2018.2rc2/nvda_2018.2rc2_changes.html>



                                        Kind regards



                                        Quentin.

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Re: "Unofficial" NVDA Add-Ons Repository

Vlad Dragomir
 

I totally agree with you Brian! Besides, this obsession about safety isn't always a great thing. I'm not saying that we should go out and look for trouble. However, non-official rarely means dangerous. I've been using computers since 2001, and benefited so much from taking risks and trying new things. Of course accidents happen sometimes,no one is 100 % safe from anything. But if you start by believing that every unknown person is a killer, we might as well spend the rest of our lives terrified in a buddhist monastry up in the mountains. And even that might not be safe actually.

I simply felt I should express these thought for those who might want to listen. This way, those who still hesitate can make an informed decision.

Best regards to all of you, both adventurous and afraid of their own shadows! *smile*

Vlad.