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Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Kenny Peyatt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

No libreoffice is now accessible. It does not require the java access bridge.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 5/14/2016 8:35 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,


I thought OpenOffice required the use of Java accessibility bridge. Is this not the case now? I have avoided Java bridge due to the security issues with Java itself.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver


On 5/14/2016 3:34 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Dan,

What about open office? It's free.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Does anyone know of an accessible spreadsheet program that will work with NVDA? I have office 2010 but it says I have installed it on all the PCS allowed and I can't install it again. I'd really rather not have to purchase another version with the cost of those versions.


I basically need a spreadsheet program that will allow me to export the data into a CSV(comma separated values) file so that someone I am working with can import it into EXCEL.


If anyone knows of such a thing that is freeware it would be even better but I can go for a small price.


I am running windows 10 and the latest non-snapshot NVDA.


Dan Beaver.










Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I have been trying to use Libreoffice and have found that spreadsheets are not that accessible. I can't read the contents of cells without hittingh f2 and putting the cell in edit mode. I wouldn't exactly call that accessible. There are other accessibility issues too but I'll not go through all of them at this time.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 5/14/2016 1:48 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Dan,

Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them? Most licenses allow you to have some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed. If any of those has died, had MS-Office uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the number of
"no longer operational" machines.

You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned above.

Brian
--
Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.
~ Henry Rosovsky


Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I thought OpenOffice required the use of Java accessibility bridge. Is this not the case now? I have avoided Java bridge due to the security issues with Java itself.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 5/14/2016 3:34 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Dan,

What about open office? It's free.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Does anyone know of an accessible spreadsheet program that will work with NVDA? I have office 2010 but it says I have installed it on all the PCS allowed and I can't install it again. I'd really rather not have to purchase another version with the cost of those versions.


I basically need a spreadsheet program that will allow me to export the data into a CSV(comma separated values) file so that someone I am working with can import it into EXCEL.


If anyone knows of such a thing that is freeware it would be even better but I can go for a small price.


I am running windows 10 and the latest non-snapshot NVDA.


Dan Beaver.








Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Kenny Peyatt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
 

Hi dan libreoffice is a really good program.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 5/14/2016 11:15 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Does anyone know of an accessible spreadsheet program that will work with NVDA? I have office 2010 but it says I have installed it on all the PCS allowed and I can't install it again. I'd really rather not have to purchase another version with the cost of those versions.


I basically need a spreadsheet program that will allow me to export the data into a CSV(comma separated values) file so that someone I am working with can import it into EXCEL.


If anyone knows of such a thing that is freeware it would be even better but I can go for a small price.


I am running windows 10 and the latest non-snapshot NVDA.


Dan Beaver.



Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Dan,

What about open office? It's free.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Does anyone know of an accessible spreadsheet program that will work with NVDA? I have office 2010 but it says I have installed it on all the PCS allowed and I can't install it again. I'd really rather not have to purchase another version with the cost of those versions.


I basically need a spreadsheet program that will allow me to export the data into a CSV(comma separated values) file so that someone I am working with can import it into EXCEL.


If anyone knows of such a thing that is freeware it would be even better but I can go for a small price.


I am running windows 10 and the latest non-snapshot NVDA.


Dan Beaver.


Re: Something strange in Firefox

 

It is a beta as far as I know.

On 15/05/2016 12:40 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Brian,


I have seen a number of references to Firefox 47. I am running 46 now
and I have updates set to automatic. I wonder is this 47 a beta of some
sort? Maybe that's why people are having difficulties. I am running
Windows 8.1 64 bit. Maybe the 47 is for 32 bit???



On 5/14/2016 3:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn
off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems
and some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out,
myself, as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was
told complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet
another issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason"
<arnthor.helgason@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the
url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a
new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766







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Re: Something strange in Firefox

 

hi.
i offer you that press application key and then select copy link
location and peist it.
could you please give me the email address of mozilla support?
i tried and search, but could not find it.
thanks and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:
or maybe its inexperience of using pre-release builds or nightly builds or
whatever they call them nowadays

stick with the oficial releases if you want to avoid these issues or if you
iist on installing pre-release/betas/nightly builds then install to another
directory

or use the official channels to report bugs they may be more help to you
than we could ever be here.

good luck


_____

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 May 2016 12:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Perhaps this is just one more example of frenetically updating with
insufficient testing. Maybe Firefox should try harder to be firefox and
not
try so hard to mimic Chrome as far as updates are concerned. Chrome breaks
things off and on by the same insistence on updating according to a rigid
schedule whether the updates are important or not.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Just to clarify. The address bar is displayed when this problem occurs.
Everything seems to be as it used to be, but when you paste or type in
something it ignores it and goes back as it was before or complains the
page

cannot be found. Its not all the time, but enough to be irritating and with

the other foibles of 47, I decided that my life was easier with an earlier
version, so I over the top installed 46 and the problems including the no
sound issue went away. I then stopped updates.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


F6 is one way but it won't help if the address bar is not being displayed.
There is more than one way to move to the address bar. I know three.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


its F6




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 May 2016 12:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar. Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new
document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this
command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766










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Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

 

hi!
you can use libreoffice without need to purchase!
its open source and accessible.
there website is

www.libreoffice.org

thanks for asking and god bless you.

On 5/14/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Dan,

         Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running MS-Excel
(or the MS-Office suite) on them?  Most licenses allow you to have some set
number of machines that are currently operational running the software
you've licensed.  If any of those has died, had MS-Office uninstalled, or
been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can request
that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the number of
"no longer operational" machines.

         You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to get
assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned above.

Brian
--
Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.
   ~ Henry Rosovsky
--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

 

Dan,

         Are all of those PCs still in existence and still running MS-Excel (or the MS-Office suite) on them?  Most licenses allow you to have some set number of machines that are currently operational running the software you've licensed.  If any of those has died, had MS-Office uninstalled, or been taken out of commission and gathering dust somewhere you can request that Microsoft re-activate the number of licenses that match the number of "no longer operational" machines.

         You could probably call Microsoft's Disability Services to get assistance with this if your situation matches what I've mentioned above.

Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 
   ~ Henry Rosovsky

    



accessible spreadsheet program using NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Does anyone know of an accessible spreadsheet program that will work with NVDA? I have office 2010 but it says I have installed it on all the PCS allowed and I can't install it again. I'd really rather not have to purchase another version with the cost of those versions.


I basically need a spreadsheet program that will allow me to export the data into a CSV(comma separated values) file so that someone I am working with can import it into EXCEL.


If anyone knows of such a thing that is freeware it would be even better but I can go for a small price.


I am running windows 10 and the latest non-snapshot NVDA.


Dan Beaver.


Re: Something strange in Firefox

Chris
 

or maybe its inexperience of using pre-release builds or nightly builds or whatever they call them nowadays
 
stick with the oficial releases if you want to avoid these issues or if you iist on installing pre-release/betas/nightly builds then install to another directory
 
or use the official channels to report bugs they may be more help to you than we could ever be here.
 
good luck
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 May 2016 12:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Perhaps this is just one more example of frenetically updating with insufficient testing.  Maybe Firefox should try harder to be firefox and not try so hard to mimic Chrome as far as updates are concerned.  Chrome breaks things off and on by the same insistence on updating according to a rigid schedule whether the updates are important or not. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Just to clarify. The address bar is displayed when this problem occurs.
Everything seems to be as it used to be, but when you paste or type in
something it ignores it and goes back as it was before or complains the page
cannot be found. Its not all the time, but enough to be irritating and with
the other foibles of 47, I decided that my life was easier with an earlier
version, so I over the top installed 46 and the problems including the no
sound issue went away. I then stopped updates.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


F6 is one way but it won't help if the address bar is not being displayed.
There is more than one way to move to the address bar.  I know three.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


its F6




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 May 2016 12:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar.  Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766









Re: Something strange in Firefox

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


I have seen a number of references to Firefox 47.  I am running 46 now and I have updates set to automatic.  I wonder is this 47 a beta of some sort?  Maybe that's why people are having difficulties.  I am running Windows 8.1 64 bit. Maybe the 47 is for 32 bit???



On 5/14/2016 3:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself, as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason" <arnthor.helgason@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766











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Re: Something strange in Firefox

Ejaz Shah
 

I don't think Firefox 47 is released yet. Current release version is 46.0.1.

On 5/14/2016 12:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Is this 47 again. I had to reinstall 46 a couple of weeks ago and turn off updates as for a staart it was much slower on single core systems and some add ons stopped working correctly, such as navigational sounds
I think this new version has some serious bugs to be ironed out, myself, as it also kept failing to go the pages the first time it was told complaining it was not foundd.
Obviviously I no longer have it, so cannot comment if this is yet another issue, but I've had no problems since going back.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnþór Helgason" <arnthor.helgason@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:26 AM
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766






Re: embedded object in Firefox

Gene
 

Also, it should be noted that you may save yourself from these kinds of problems by using the extended release version of Firefox which doesn't update the actual program at all often.  I think it only updates the actual program once a year or once every two years.  It receives security updates so it remains current from that standpoint but the program itself is not altered for long periods of time.  I am saying that a year or two goes by between version updates.  How soon you get a version update depends on when one is scheduled.  If you use the extended release version at the beginning of the cycle, you will have the full cycle to wait.  If you start using it a week before the infrequent update, you will get an update in a week.  I believe there is a good amount of time before the next version update but I haven't checked in awhile and my memory may be incorrect.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

In your message concerning Flash and html5, which I didn't keep, so I'm writing from my recollection, it appears you said that flash didn't play well in XP.  I have never had problems related to XP specifically and Flash.  Even on a slow machine, Flash played properly.  It's HTML5 that doesn't play well on both of my XP machines and one should certainly be more than fast enough to play HTML5 audio content properly. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem.  If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible.  But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear.  It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time.  Many sites do and many don't.  I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary.  If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin.  I don't know enough to comment further.  And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to.  It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be.  I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


   I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
   I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
   not sure what is actually playing the audio,
   using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
   Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
> audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
> problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
> do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
> has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.
>
> I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.
>
> If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
> following url:
> https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
> 4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
> It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.
>
> Here is a typical audio book display:
>
> --Start of clip -----------------------
> link graphic Railway Viaduct
> embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
> Link Reserve
> On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
> Link Railway Viaduct
> Link Edward Marston
> Read by Sam Dastor
> Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
> eAudiobook - Unabridged
> ---end of clip ------------------
>
> The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
> flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
> that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
> have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
> YouTube in Firefox without any problem.
>
> After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
> workaround using NVDA:
>
> >From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
> press "g" to find a book title. If the next   object after pressing
> down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
> start.
>
> Here is the full sequence of steps:
> 1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
> 2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
> Object not available";
> 3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
> hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
> 4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
> 5. Press the space bar  to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
> speaking.
>
> If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
> not do the job either:
> 6. Press right arrow once;
> 7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
> sample.
>
> Can anyone advise what to do about this?
> A. Is it an NVDA problem?
> B. Is it a Firefox problem?
> c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: embedded object in Firefox

Gene
 

In your message concerning Flash and html5, which I didn't keep, so I'm writing from my recollection, it appears you said that flash didn't play well in XP.  I have never had problems related to XP specifically and Flash.  Even on a slow machine, Flash played properly.  It's HTML5 that doesn't play well on both of my XP machines and one should certainly be more than fast enough to play HTML5 audio content properly. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem.  If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible.  But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear.  It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time.  Many sites do and many don't.  I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary.  If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin.  I don't know enough to comment further.  And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to.  It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be.  I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


   I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
   I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
   not sure what is actually playing the audio,
   using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
   Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
> audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
> problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
> do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
> has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.
>
> I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.
>
> If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
> following url:
> https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
> 4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
> It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.
>
> Here is a typical audio book display:
>
> --Start of clip -----------------------
> link graphic Railway Viaduct
> embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
> Link Reserve
> On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
> Link Railway Viaduct
> Link Edward Marston
> Read by Sam Dastor
> Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
> eAudiobook - Unabridged
> ---end of clip ------------------
>
> The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
> flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
> that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
> have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
> YouTube in Firefox without any problem.
>
> After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
> workaround using NVDA:
>
> >From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
> press "g" to find a book title. If the next   object after pressing
> down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
> start.
>
> Here is the full sequence of steps:
> 1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
> 2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
> Object not available";
> 3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
> hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
> 4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
> 5. Press the space bar  to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
> speaking.
>
> If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
> not do the job either:
> 6. Press right arrow once;
> 7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
> sample.
>
> Can anyone advise what to do about this?
> A. Is it an NVDA problem?
> B. Is it a Firefox problem?
> c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Something strange in Firefox

Gene
 

Perhaps this is just one more example of frenetically updating with insufficient testing.  Maybe Firefox should try harder to be firefox and not try so hard to mimic Chrome as far as updates are concerned.  Chrome breaks things off and on by the same insistence on updating according to a rigid schedule whether the updates are important or not. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox

Just to clarify. The address bar is displayed when this problem occurs.
Everything seems to be as it used to be, but when you paste or type in
something it ignores it and goes back as it was before or complains the page
cannot be found. Its not all the time, but enough to be irritating and with
the other foibles of 47, I decided that my life was easier with an earlier
version, so I over the top installed 46 and the problems including the no
sound issue went away. I then stopped updates.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


F6 is one way but it won't help if the address bar is not being displayed.
There is more than one way to move to the address bar.  I know three.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


its F6




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 May 2016 12:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Try alt l to move to the address bar.  Also, look in the view menu and if
necessary the appropriate submenu to see which tool bars are enabled.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something strange in Firefox


Good morning from sunny Iceland.

After the most recent updates I have found it impossible to copy the url
of a homepage when I want to include the relevant address in a new document.

Previously I used the command alt+d, but it doesn't work anymore in
Firefox. However Internet Explorer and GoogleChrome still have this command.


Any advice?


Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason

Phone: +354 8973766









Re: Fly Outs?

Gene
 

If you single right click the network connection or perhaps double clidk it, you will get a network flyout message, according to my recollection.  Your discussion of what happens when you hover the mouse is of a different feature.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?

I've not seen this. In the system tray of windows 7, if one lingers too long
on the network item, a page or window opens with complete blankness to nvda.
It appears to be some Intel tool which is not accessible. I turned off the
tray icon to stop this. Instead Iuse the normal windows parts of control
panel which do work.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fly Outs?


Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
> I don't know if the fly out
> reference occurs any other times, but this is where i get it in Window
> 8.1.
> I've seen it in Windows 7 too; in the network connections thing. If you
> arrow over the network icon in the system tray, you get a network flyout.






Re: an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback

mohammad suliman
 

Jacob, is this issue present with jaws?
regarding the issue of the menus you mentioned, fixed in latest commit .
thanks,
Mohammad

On 5/13/2016 11:43 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Primary issue come across - at times, and not sure why/when, etc. is that, for example, when fired up VS.Net 2015 community now, it seems to get stuck on something unresponsive - can read whole window, but, can't really get it to do much, and if switch to screen review mode, it just tells me top-bottom, etc.

But, when then closed it, and fired it up again, it's now cooperating.

Other minor issue is that menu items with sub-menu's don't tell you about that - file menu, just reads new, until you use the right arrow key to open that sub-menu.

The new project dialogue now seems to be cooperating, so maybe this is all related to same way main part of interface seems to be unresponsive at times - maybe there's some form of a notification shade hovering in front of rest of it, or something.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message ----- From: "mohammad suliman" <mohmad.s93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 13 May, 2016 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback


hello Jacob,
not an expert in this area, but think it doesn't, because, addons can be executed without installing python at the system at all.
regarding the new project dialog, haven't played with that, if issues have been fixed somehow, great. if not, what are the problems there.
please let me know if you have other suggestions.
thanks,
Mohammad
On 5/13/2016 9:21 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Will play around with it, and, it does already seem to improve things like intellisense, new project dialogue, etc.

Would it make a difference that the two versions of python have installed on this machine are 3.4 and 3.5.1?

Shouldn't, but, FWIW, think current version of system environment variable %path% points to 3.5.1, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message ----- From: "mohammad suliman" <mohmad.s93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 13 May, 2016 2:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] an add-on for visual studio is under development testing and feedback


hello all,
I am currently developing an add-on for visual studio to resolve accessibility issues in some parts of the IDE's UI.
for all who might be interested, I want to know which parts of the UI do you find problematic and need further enhancements?? especially, if someone has used VS with jaws and he/she knows in which areas NVDA needs enhancements it will be great to hear from him /her.
here is the link for the git repo of the add-on
https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/visualStudioAddon
you can find info there of what I have done so far.
i fixed the problem of NVDA not reading the content of the debug windows. and made some improvements to intelliSinse. more info on the github page.
to test the add-on, you can clone the repo and build the add-on if you are familiar with add-on development. if not you can get only the file addon/appModules/devenv.py and put it in side your app module of NVDA user directory. if you need more info, just let me know.
I also can put the file on dropbox and share a link to it if that helps.
your feedback and help is so appreciated.
a question for code reviewers on the NVDA add-ons list, do you think that it is a good time to review the add-on now? if you think so, please feel free to do that.
I of course will be delighted to hear your tips, but I don't want you to do the review several times. the code still in the alpha cycle.
thanks,
Mohammad











Re: Kindle App

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Did you sent this twice. I seem to recall that there is a special version of this app for access system users. I don't know if this is still the case, but might be worth a poke about on their site.
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 5:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Kindle App


Hi,
Does NVDA work with the Kindle App for PC? If so, are their any specian commands you need to use?
I'd really appreciate any help you can give.
Thanks
Chris


Re: embedded object in Firefox

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Its flakey in XP, my feeling is that its more processor intensive and often sounds glitchy on xp. Could be codecs of course, and as you say it could be that few codecs now supprort xp for the format html5 for whatever reason. Having said that the later xp codecs actually seem better for flash if its a fast machine, so who knows.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem. If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible. But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear. It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time. Many sites do and many don't. I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary. If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin. I don't know enough to comment further. And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to. It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be. I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox



I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
not sure what is actually playing the audio,
using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi,

I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.

I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.

If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
following url:
https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.

Here is a typical audio book display:

--Start of clip -----------------------
link graphic Railway Viaduct
embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
Link Reserve
On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
Link Railway Viaduct
Link Edward Marston
Read by Sam Dastor
Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
eAudiobook - Unabridged
---end of clip ------------------

The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
YouTube in Firefox without any problem.

After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
workaround using NVDA:

From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
press "g" to find a book title. If the next object after pressing
down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
start.

Here is the full sequence of steps:
1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
Object not available";
3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
5. Press the space bar to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
speaking.

If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
not do the job either:
6. Press right arrow once;
7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
sample.

Can anyone advise what to do about this?
A. Is it an NVDA problem?
B. Is it a Firefox problem?
c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie