----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 08:14 am, Danni wrote:

Is it supposed to work with NVDA and if so any idea why it takes so long to load?

What add-ons are you using?   This sounds like it could very well be an issue with an add-on.  I would definitely try restarting Firefox in its safe mode (which is unrelated to Windows Safe Mode) and see if the issue persists.  Take a look at:  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode 
 
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Hi:

I did figure out how to contact Magix and got the following response, actually a pretty good response.

Does anybody know about NVDA and this QT Framework?  Is this something that is being addressed in NVDA at all?

It sounds to me like these guys could be interested in helping.

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 12:21:29 +0200
From: MAGIX Support <support@magix.net>
To: chris@moblind.org
Subject: Re: [Ticket#2018051617008471] Ihre Anfrage an den Kundendienst

Greetings Chris,

Thank you for contacting us.  I have discussed it with our developers, and I
have also researched the NVDA and Cobra screen readers, and it is our opinion
that the problem is caused by the new interface for SFAS 12.  The new version
uses QT framework, and from what I have found, there are many, many complaints
from seeing impaired users about difficulties with screen readers interacting
with QT framework.  I would recommend writing the makers of the screen readers
and ask them if they know of an incompatibility issue with QT framework.  Of
course, if there is, we would be happy to refund your purchase. If you would
like, I could send you a trial version of Sound Forge Audio Studio 10...I know
it's a bit older, but it uses a different framework, and should work much
better with screen reading software.  If you want to try that, let me know,
and I'll be happy to set it up.

??e apologize to you for the inconvenience of that.  I personally see it as a
big problem, and I will talk with our developers about what we can do in the
future to change this--it should be our goal as a company to make sure all of
our programs can function properly when used with a screen reading interface.
??e thank you for your time, and we will await your response.  In the meantime,
have a great day!

Best regards,
Craig Dickerson

MAGIX Software GmbH
Supportmanager

Postfach 500109
01067 Dresden
Germany

Managing Director: Klaus Schmidt, Jörg Stüber, Aishvarya Agarwal
Commercial Register: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 127205

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05/16/2018 21:35 - chris@moblind.org wrote: [METADATA_START]
Interview: Do you wish to contact Technical Support? -> Music -> My enquiry is
about SOUND FORGE Audio Studio 12

Processor:
- Intel 7g
Operating system:
- Windows 7
Memory:
- 16g
Sound Card:
- Onboard HD and Audiobox
Graphics Card:
- Don't Know, worked fine with Sound forge 10
Browser:
- Internet Explorer

[METADATA_END]
I use the NVDA screen reader for the blind and Cobra screen reader for the
blind.
Soundforge 12.5 will not allow me to highlight portions of an audio file and
skips
around randomly in the file as well.  I need somebody to assist me in working
directly with the screen reader manufacturer to try and see what is going on.

Thank you.

Chris
[METADATA_START]

Weitere registrierte Produkte:
Audio Cleaning Lab
Sound Forge Audio Studio
iZotope Ozone 8 Elements
[METADATA_END]

On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:31 AM, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

does skype electron needs to update or it can works forever?

On 6/8/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Google for and use skype electron. I heard that is a simpler version of
skype. It by the way only works on windows 7 so that won't help most of us.

On Jun 8, 2018, at 12:05 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

I havn't found a way to stop it updating, however you can continue to
download and use classic for now.

On win10 it has no updates so it doesn't ask you to do that.

I have pulled out of the nvda descussion group, and I don't need skype to
be active right now.

There should be update settings under advanced but I have not found this
at all.

As for the future, eventually everyone will have to use the universal app,
maybe but who knows.

I don't need skype, and to be honest I may end up abandoning it and
calling the expensive but accessible way over the phone or using email.




On 6/8/2018 6:38 PM, zahra wrote:

hi shaun and all.
is it possible to use classic version and ban updating it that never
updates to version 8?
is there any solution for skype?
i just need voice call and reading and sending messages, if it can
supports sending files is good, but the most important priority for me
is voice call and text message.
i dont need group call at this time and it was not be useful for me
until now, not sure about my future needs.

On 6/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google
hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and
the
quality of the recording was top notch.




On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have
not
touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes that is
accessible) ) and moe with it. Other  users can call in by phone if
they
want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the
skype
classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to
switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how
long
that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of
pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call
skype
then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still
be
able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/>
are
offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy
to
use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages,
groups
and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then
fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have
to
get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I
barely
use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made
available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy
front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of
bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not
stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality
audio
over the internet free?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group

Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain
future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all
my
conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't
allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as
they
stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it
will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I
will
no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to
understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses
right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying
high
charges for international calls because skype new versions are
inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still
be
kept active?

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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah k Alawami

To: nvda list list

Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum?

It loads quite fast for me, as far as I know and I'm using firefox 60.x I think. All pages load quickly like they are supposed to.

On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:

Is it supposed to work with NVDA and if so any idea why it takes so long to load? my computre updated without my permission "I'd had it marked never update" and am getting the same problem I did in november when it updated! I go to a site and wait and wait for it to load or click start escape taskbar over to page I was waiting on to find it works why is it doing this? and is there a fix?

 

Google for and use skype electron. I heard that is a simpler version of
skype. It by the way only works on windows 7 so that won't help most of us.

On Jun 8, 2018, at 12:05 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

I havn't found a way to stop it updating, however you can continue to
download and use classic for now.

On win10 it has no updates so it doesn't ask you to do that.

I have pulled out of the nvda descussion group, and I don't need skype to
be active right now.

There should be update settings under advanced but I have not found this
at all.

As for the future, eventually everyone will have to use the universal app,
maybe but who knows.

I don't need skype, and to be honest I may end up abandoning it and
calling the expensive but accessible way over the phone or using email.




On 6/8/2018 6:38 PM, zahra wrote:

hi shaun and all.
is it possible to use classic version and ban updating it that never
updates to version 8?
is there any solution for skype?
i just need voice call and reading and sending messages, if it can
supports sending files is good, but the most important priority for me
is voice call and text message.
i dont need group call at this time and it was not be useful for me
until now, not sure about my future needs.

On 6/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google
hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and
the
quality of the recording was top notch.




On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have
not
touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes that is
accessible) ) and moe with it. Other users can call in by phone if
they
want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the
skype
classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to
switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how
long
that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of
pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call
skype
then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still
be
able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/>
are
offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy
to
use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages,
groups
and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then
fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have
to
get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I
barely
use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made
available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy
front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of
bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not
stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality
audio
over the internet free?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group

Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain
future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all
my
conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't
allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as
they
stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it
will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I
will
no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to
understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses
right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying
high
charges for international calls because skype new versions are
inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still
be
kept active?

On Jun 8, 2018, at 12:05 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

I havn't found a way to stop it updating, however you can continue to download and use classic for now.

On win10 it has no updates so it doesn't ask you to do that.

I have pulled out of the nvda descussion group, and I don't need skype to be active right now.

There should be update settings under advanced but I have not found this at all.

As for the future, eventually everyone will have to use the universal app, maybe but who knows.

I don't need skype, and to be honest I may end up abandoning it and calling the expensive but accessible way over the phone or using email.




On 6/8/2018 6:38 PM, zahra wrote:

hi shaun and all.
is it possible to use classic version and ban updating it that never
updates to version 8?
is there any solution for skype?
i just need voice call and reading and sending messages, if it can
supports sending files is good, but the most important priority for me
is voice call and text message.
i dont need group call at this time and it was not be useful for me
until now, not sure about my future needs.

On 6/8/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

What about groups and personal things.

One idea for me when skype classic finally dies is to try google
hangouts as coolblindtech guys did use it for one of the reviews and the
quality of the recording was top notch.




On 6/8/2018 6:03 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Check out zoom. I use it for all of my business meetings and I have not
touched team talk since. You can do screen sharing (yes  that is
accessible) ) and moe with it. Other  users can call in by phone if they
want to or need to. I really love it.

On Jun 7, 2018, at 2:56 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

It looks like its not completely the end.

It appears for 7 and 8 users we will have to just not install the skype
classic update.

For 10 users, it appears microsoft have left us alone.

Previded we can get the skype classic program, ms doesn't ask us to
switch over to the universal.

So at least for the moment they are leaving us alone who knows how long
that is but still.

I have not as yet tried this.

The nvda skype group didn't have much traffic and I was thinking of
pulling out anyway.

Skype isnot a real issue for me as I hardly use it.

Skype web via miranda works for text, now if I can use it to call skype
then fine I guess.

There is zello but I have never figured it out as such.

On the other side those of us on android and ios devices will still be
able to use skype,.

This seems to effect desktops, that is windows, mac and linux only.

For group chats there is teamtalk, and tthub.org <http://tthub.org/> are
offering competitive rates right now.

I am interested though in some kind of voip or sip app that is easy to
use, accessible and can use as a protocol skype calls, messages, groups
and file shares which are the only things I ever use.

If that can be done and if I can login with my skype account then fine.

Right now skype classic still works.

Eventually that may die but who knows.

The skype interface with miranda ng is a bit different, I will have to
get used to it but right now well.

I don't use skype enough to justify upgrading to anything new, I barely
use that much of skype's power as it is.




On 6/7/2018 9:00 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I have to say its not been used here for almost a year now.
I find it irritating that such a simple system is not being made
available in a basic form for low tech users and without the flashy
front end changes every fortnight. Skype always had a reputation of
bringing out improvements that broke it, and it seems this has not
stopped with Microsoft owning it, sadly.
So what else is out there for desktop machines for good quality audio
over the internet free?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss"
<sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] end of the line for nvda skype group

Hi all of you.

Pulling out of nvda skype group now because of 1, skypes uncertain
future and 2. the fact I hardly contribute to it, I will shift all my
conversational contributions to this list from now on if I havn't
allready.

I will still use skype classic for family, but due to things as they
stand I may have to remove skype from my contact and other info, it
will be email for internationals only, skype if they need, but I will
no longer advertise.

Microsoft has lost another user, skype classic interface is easy to
understand, the new one I just don't care for.

Its a pitty its got to end this way but I may as well cut my losses
right now rather than having to bother with things going bang.

I will have to either search for another solution or start paying high
charges for international calls because skype new versions are
inaccessible.

Way to go ms.

Can't skype classic just be pulled from the update loop and still be
kept active?

On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:

Is it supposed to work with NVDA and if so any idea why it takes so long to load? my computre updated without my permission "I'd had it marked never update" and am getting the same problem I did in november when it updated! I go to a site and wait and wait for it to load or click start escape taskbar over to page I was waiting on to find it works why is it doing this? and is there a fix?

 

That link should really help them.

On 6/8/18, Arno Schuh <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> wrote:

Hi,

in QT there are accessibility features available:
https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-5.10/accessible.html
If I remember correctly when VLC changed to QT it wasn't accessible until
these features are switched on. Same with Rockbox Utility.
So probably Magix only have to turn on the accessibility features in QT.

Yours sincerely

Arno

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Skype: ron.brown762

Hi,

in QT there are accessibility features available:
https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-5.10/accessible.html
If I remember correctly when VLC changed to QT it wasn't accessible until
these features are switched on. Same with Rockbox Utility.
So probably Magix only have to turn on the accessibility features in QT.

Yours sincerely

Arno

I’ve used an online program, don’t remember the name!  But it really sucks.  Non of the audio gets transferred to the original it just like prints out talk talk talk.

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 2:44 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Turning text to speech

 

What is the currently suggested nvda friendly program for this task? Ie are

there some that work with voices that one can add dictionary corrections to,

as many Microsoft synths like speech platform seem to have massive issues

with the letter no and even sappi 5 does odd stuff.

I've been using  dspeech myself, for ages, but it is restricted to sappi 5

32 bit voices and one has to alter the  words in the file itself to correct

the  pronunciation. I guess some kind of add on to do a say all to file

might be nice but to me this is a stand alone program function.

What do you use?

Brian

 

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