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Re: How to Open an Attachment with NVDA:

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  since you are using thunderbird 52.8.0, here are the key strokes.

open the message,
then press alt+m to get to the message menu and then h for attachments.

this will put you in a list of your attachments but it operates like a treeview so use up and down arrow to select the one you want and then press right arrow to get a menu of open, save detach etc.

That should get you going.

Brian.


Re: Inaccessible Banking Website

 

Not sure about others but asb is easy enough.

On 6/15/2018 10:50 PM, Michael Chopra wrote:
I am also here in New Zealand and I find that my bank that I am with do a really good job. I am with ANZ. I find the internet banking website a bit hard to navigate, but it's fine.

Thanks.

From Michael.


On 15/06/18 22:32, Antony Stone wrote:
Last time I moved banks (about 2 years ago) all my standing orders and direct
debits were transferred automatically for me as part of the process.

Antony.

On Friday 15 June 2018 at 12:01:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

TSB, Say no more. Here in the UK so much has gone wrong in that bank to do
with customers not being able to get their money etc that the boss was
called to the house of Commons last week to explain why their IT update had
been so badly handled. if they are the same company, then it explains a
lot.

How you proceed, well I guess you could vote with your money and go
elsewhere but the problems of transferring all automated pay in and out
bits could send one prematurely grey or bald!
  Brian


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How to Open an Attachment with NVDA:

Lawrence Stoler
 

Hello,


I have been an NVDA user for a long time.  I think it's great.


I am out of work.  Recently my resume was updated but I can't open the
file to read it.


Is there a way using specific commands after clicking on the attachment
to open it and read it?  In other words, if I use the arrow keys or tab
through the document, how do I get to access the attachment?


Is there any information about this on www.accessibilitycentral.net?


Thank you for a great screen reader, website and support group.


Sincerely,


Lawrence Stoler


Re: selling an item on eBay

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

I don't sell many things on Ebay anymore but prefer the iPhone app as it's extremely straight forward and easier to include photos.

On 6/15/2018 11:03 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
if you have one available, you could try the ebay app on either iPhone or android. I have been telling ebay for some time about there lack of accessibility on there selling page, but they are simply not interested in doing anything about it.
my best bit of advice however, would be don't even bother with ebay, use a different platform, such as shpock or gumtree, or in-fact any other trading platform that doesn't charge you 10% and then another 4% for using paypal, and all that to be part of a system that lets buyers take the waste liquid as much as they like, and gives sellers no rights at all, which is exactly what the ebay system does!
Simon
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giles Turnbull <mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2018 3:44 PM
*Subject:* [nvda] selling an item on eBay
Hi all,
I regularly buy items from eBay and, in my sighted days,
occasionally sold things too. The other day I noticed a pair of
Orcam MyEye talking OCR glasses that sold and, since I have a pair
that I would like to sell, used the "Have one to sell? Sell it
yourself" link.
I am not finding the page for entering the details for my item very
easy to navigate! I can add the photos and I can enter the
description of the item, but navigating, with both tab key or num
pad object navigation, repeatedly takes me back to the item
description pane.
Does anybody have any suggestions to make listing an item easier
with NVDA?
I'm using Firefox 60, NVDA 2018.2 and Win10
Thanks for any tips,
Giles


Re: OCR Add-On & Incompatibility with Win10 & NVDA 2017.3 and later

Roger Stewart
 

I wonder if this add on is even necessary anymore since Win 10 has this ability built in and later versions of nvda are fixed to take advantage of this.

Roger












On 6/15/2018 11:02 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I had added this to NVDA a long while back to play with it, but had forgotten entirely that I'd done so.  Today, when I went to play around with another add on and was reviewing my existing ones I noticed that the OCR add-on page states, "Important: if you are using NVDA 2017.3 or later on Windows 10, please disable this add-on."  Its continued presence may have been messing with Virtual Review, as I could get nothing from Virtual Review until I removed OCR.

The above being said, I can't imagine I'm the only person who might have installed an add-on such as this and lost that fact to the mists of memory.  I am just wondering if the add-on itself, or the NVDA Add-On manager, has some way of being context sensitive and checking what OS environment it's operating under and giving a message if an add-on should be disabled or removed in that operating environment.

It is pure chance that I happened to catch this.  It seems to me that there really should be a way that, at the very least, the add-on itself would be sensitive to its OS environment and give a warning if it's being run under an OS version with which its operation is incompatible.

--

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Re: OCR Add-On & Incompatibility with Win10 & NVDA 2017.3 and later

 

Hi,

The OCR add-on wasn’t updated in a very long time.

As for checking add-on compatibility: that is coming in a future release, with some developers working on it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 9:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OCR Add-On & Incompatibility with Win10 & NVDA 2017.3 and later

 

I had added this to NVDA a long while back to play with it, but had forgotten entirely that I'd done so.  Today, when I went to play around with another add on and was reviewing my existing ones I noticed that the OCR add-on page states, "Important: if you are using NVDA 2017.3 or later on Windows 10, please disable this add-on."  Its continued presence may have been messing with Virtual Review, as I could get nothing from Virtual Review until I removed OCR.

The above being said, I can't imagine I'm the only person who might have installed an add-on such as this and lost that fact to the mists of memory.  I am just wondering if the add-on itself, or the NVDA Add-On manager, has some way of being context sensitive and checking what OS environment it's operating under and giving a message if an add-on should be disabled or removed in that operating environment.

It is pure chance that I happened to catch this.  It seems to me that there really should be a way that, at the very least, the add-on itself would be sensitive to its OS environment and give a warning if it's being run under an OS version with which its operation is incompatible.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


Re: opening big pdf files adobe reader

Mallard
 

Josh,


I don't have Acrobat Reader, but lately I like opening my pdf files with either Edge or Chrome. Chrome is even better, I think.

Fast and really good.

hth, ciao,

Ollie

Il 15/06/2018 17:53, Josh Kennedy ha scritto:

Hi,

Is this a bug in NVDA? When I open a pdf, like a really big 2mb pdf file. Nvda says, pdf name, avg page view. Then it sits there forever while it tries to open the pdf. Do I have adobe reader or NVDA set wrong that it takes forever to open pdf files?

Josh

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OCR Add-On & Incompatibility with Win10 & NVDA 2017.3 and later

 

I had added this to NVDA a long while back to play with it, but had forgotten entirely that I'd done so.  Today, when I went to play around with another add on and was reviewing my existing ones I noticed that the OCR add-on page states, "Important: if you are using NVDA 2017.3 or later on Windows 10, please disable this add-on."  Its continued presence may have been messing with Virtual Review, as I could get nothing from Virtual Review until I removed OCR.

The above being said, I can't imagine I'm the only person who might have installed an add-on such as this and lost that fact to the mists of memory.  I am just wondering if the add-on itself, or the NVDA Add-On manager, has some way of being context sensitive and checking what OS environment it's operating under and giving a message if an add-on should be disabled or removed in that operating environment.

It is pure chance that I happened to catch this.  It seems to me that there really should be a way that, at the very least, the add-on itself would be sensitive to its OS environment and give a warning if it's being run under an OS version with which its operation is incompatible.

--

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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


opening big pdf files adobe reader

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Is this a bug in NVDA? When I open a pdf, like a really big 2mb pdf file. Nvda says, pdf name, avg page view. Then it sits there forever while it tries to open the pdf. Do I have adobe reader or NVDA set wrong that it takes forever to open pdf files?

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA not speaking my images

Jonathan COHN
 

Also, the WEB-AIM mailing list or the A11Y Sslack channel both have numerous Accessibility professionals on list, there are probably folks on that list that can respond directly. I believe I did see some discussion of wrapping SVG in a div with role="image" and then labeling the div. I can't remember if the label has to be with an aria-label / aria-labeledby attribute or if you can use the alt attribute.

Some memories indicate to me that you should add an id to the title within the SVG and then use the aria-labeledby attribute to point to that id.

Sorry I don't have time to research my notes on SVG today.

Jonathan


On 6/15/18, 11:00 AM, "bglists via groups.io" <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I think most if not all of the devs are blind, so you may find it a bit
difficult to get the issue over. Try a ticket on gather if you think its
wrong. All I know is that most graphics with alt tags give a description of
the graphic, according to how detailed the site builder wanted to get of
course.
Normally the big messes occur in javascript intense sites.
I'm not up on html myself, but you need to test the site in different
browsers too.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Kinney" <jim@thrivewebsolutions.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 6:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not speaking my images


Hi.

I'm new to NVDA but am committed to developing websites that are fully
accessible. I used a custom font with svg logos I uploaded to the font. I
have used every tag I know about but NVDA doesn't read them. If I highlight
the same area on my iPhone and ask it to speak my selection if speaks the
information about the image. I'm hoping you can give me some guidance about
what I need to add to the code or perhaps a perhaps a setting to change in
NVDA.

I made a screen print that shows the area and the code behind it. I believe
this will give you all the information you would need to help me. The screen
print is at:

https://sandiego-autodetail.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/NVDA-reader-question.png

I also record my iPhone speaking the information and have loaded that short
video here:

https://sandiego-autodetail.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/iPhone-speaks-the-image-info.MOV

Let me know if you need any additional information. I really appreciate your
help with this.

Jim


Re: Inaccessible Banking Website

Jonathan COHN
 

Rock,

Type control-shift-A in firefox to bring up the addons manager.

Hit F until you get to the search field.
Enter axe in the search field and hit enter.

After hitting tab a few times you should find:
aXe Developer Tools Thursday, June 14, 2018 Add accessibility auditing to the Firefox Developer Tools More Release Notes: Loading… Install

At this point bring up the contextual menu with either shift-F10 or the Applications key.
The second item should be install. This will then prompt you with a license agreement and a accept and install button.

I believe the rest should be straight forward.

On 6/15/18, 10:12 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Rob Hudson" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:
> I If you are running an older version of Firefox you can install the aXe (a x e ) extension form DeQueue which will generate a report of the issues that an automated testing platform can find. I believe it puts a menu item into the Developer Tools of Firefox and then there is a large Audit button that will analyze whatever site you are on. All the reporting is done via your browsers JavaScript and no data gets sent to the Extension builder.


I have firefox ESR, version 52 something. Where would one find this extention?


Re: selling an item on eBay

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all, especially Simon and Laz,

I suddenly thought to try Internet Explorer and the sales page worked much better with that so my item is now listed. I will attempt to list it on Blind Bargains too, thanks for that suggestion :)

Giles


Re: selling an item on eBay

Laz
 

Can't help you with the navigation issue you seem to be having but if
you wish to catch the eye of vision impaired folks I recommend you
put it on Blind Bargains as well as joining the Blind-BST list. On
Blind bargains you can reach over a thousand folks and on Blind-BST
you can reach nearly 700 list members. To join Blind-bST send a blank
email message to the followin email address:

blind-bst+subscribe@groups.io

Laz

On 6/15/18, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I regularly buy items from eBay and, in my sighted days, occasionally sold
things too. The other day I noticed a pair of Orcam MyEye talking OCR
glasses that sold and, since I have a pair that I would like to sell, used
the "Have one to sell? Sell it yourself" link.

I am not finding the page for entering the details for my item very easy to
navigate! I can add the photos and I can enter the description of the item,
but navigating, with both tab key or num pad object navigation, repeatedly
takes me back to the item description pane.

Does anybody have any suggestions to make listing an item easier with NVDA?

I'm using Firefox 60, NVDA 2018.2 and Win10

Thanks for any tips,

Giles



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Re: selling an item on eBay

goshawk on horseback
 


if you have one available, you could try the ebay app on either iPhone or android. I have been telling ebay for some time about there lack of accessibility on there selling page, but they are simply not interested in doing anything about it.
my best bit of advice however, would be don't even bother with ebay, use a different platform, such as shpock or gumtree, or in-fact any other trading platform that doesn't charge you 10% and then another 4% for using paypal, and all that to be part of a system that lets buyers take the waste liquid as much as they like, and gives sellers no rights at all, which is exactly what the ebay system does!
 
Simon
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] selling an item on eBay

Hi all,

I regularly buy items from eBay and, in my sighted days, occasionally sold things too. The other day I noticed a pair of Orcam MyEye talking OCR glasses that sold and, since I have a pair that I would like to sell, used the "Have one to sell? Sell it yourself" link.

I am not finding the page for entering the details for my item very easy to navigate! I can add the photos and I can enter the description of the item, but navigating, with both tab key or num pad object navigation, repeatedly takes me back to the item description pane.

Does anybody have any suggestions to make listing an item easier with NVDA?

I'm using Firefox 60, NVDA 2018.2  and Win10

Thanks for any tips,

Giles


Re: Administrative privileges.

 

Hi all,

I solved the problem by going to Control Panel and User accounts. But
my problem with assigning a shortcut key to an icon on the desktop
still persists. I press alt+enter to go to properties for the shortcut
I have a problem what to write in the "start in" edit field. The
desktop icon in question is JAWS.
I thank you all for your responses.
Nevzat

On 6/14/18, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nevzat
Only an administrator account can change a standard account to an
administrator account. That is why I asked if there are any other accounts
on the computer. If there are no other accounts, let me know and I'll give
you details of a different method of solving the problem.

You can check if there are any other accounts by pressing Windows+i to open
Settings, then press enter on Accounts. Tab to the list of topics and arrow
down to Family and other people and press enter. Tab to the list of other
account names and types on the machine and see if there is a user account
with administrator privilidges. If there is, get the person to log on using
that account, then they could use this settings process to edit your account
details and change it from standard to administrator.

Cheers
Chris






-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nevzat
Adil
Sent: 14 June 2018 20:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Administrative privileges.

Chris, yes, I get an error message saying I need to have administrator
permission. My operating system is Windows 10. I believe I have
standard user account. I tried to change user account and typed my
name and I was told that user account already exists. If I type
administrator would it change to that?
Nevzat

On 6/14/18, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Nevzat
I would have thought you should be able to assign shortcuts as these are
personal to your account and don't affect other users, so should not
require
admin priviledges. If you are using a work computer it maybe that a
corporate group policy is in effect which denies the capability but this
would be unlikely.

As Brian asked, is your user account standard or administrator? Could
you
give us more information, such as operating system being used, work or
home
computer, is yours the only account on the computer etc.

The process I would use to assign a shortcut key is:
Select desktop icon
Press alt+enter to open properties
Tab to the shortcut key control and press the shortcut letter alone, the
CTRL+Alt part of the command is added automatically by Windows
Tab to OK and press enter.

If you get an error after pressing OK, please give full details

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nevzat
Adil
Sent: 13 June 2018 19:58
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Administrative privileges.

Hi Group,

I am trying to assign shortcut keys to icons on the desktop, but it
won't go through as I am told I have no administrative privileges.
Using NVDA how do I get administrative privilege on my computer?
Your response will be greatly appreciated.
Nevzat












selling an item on eBay

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I regularly buy items from eBay and, in my sighted days, occasionally sold things too. The other day I noticed a pair of Orcam MyEye talking OCR glasses that sold and, since I have a pair that I would like to sell, used the "Have one to sell? Sell it yourself" link.

I am not finding the page for entering the details for my item very easy to navigate! I can add the photos and I can enter the description of the item, but navigating, with both tab key or num pad object navigation, repeatedly takes me back to the item description pane.

Does anybody have any suggestions to make listing an item easier with NVDA?

I'm using Firefox 60, NVDA 2018.2  and Win10

Thanks for any tips,

Giles


Re: Inaccessible Banking Website

Rob Hudson
 

Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:
I If you are running an older version of Firefox you can install the aXe (a x e ) extension form DeQueue which will generate a report of the issues that an automated testing platform can find. I believe it puts a menu item into the Developer Tools of Firefox and then there is a large Audit button that will analyze whatever site you are on. All the reporting is done via your browsers JavaScript and no data gets sent to the Extension builder.

I have firefox ESR, version 52 something. Where would one find this extention?


Re: Inaccessible Banking Website

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

Most likely they have set up buttons using CSS graphics. Though there are a few other ways this can happen. Generally it won't matter which screen reader they look at the sight with the graphics will probably appear the same.


I If you are running an older version of Firefox you can install the aXe (a x e ) extension form DeQueue which will generate a report of the issues that an automated testing platform can find. I believe it puts a menu item into the Developer Tools of Firefox and then there is a large Audit button that will analyze whatever site you are on. All the reporting is done via your browsers JavaScript and no data gets sent to the Extension builder.

You can write me off list if you want.

Jonathan Cohn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 2:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Inaccessible Banking Website

Recently my credit union changed its website rendering most of the online banking services inaccessible to NVDA. According to sighted people Ii had look at the page, all the services have been moved to little graphical icons at the top of the screen.
I was wondering if I could get someone from NVAccess to remote into my machine, look at the website, and then tell me what I can pass on to the bank's i t people about fixing it to make it more readable for screen readers. And how i would go about setting something like that up.


Re: NVDA and Login screen

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

No, it identifies itself as Narrator. I use Eti-Eloquence in as my default
NVDA voice.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Login screen

What it may be is nvda using 1core voices on login screens, you need to set
nvdas preffs to copy over to admin settings



On 6/15/2018 8:17 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi,



Since the latest update, I find Narrator speaks on the PC login screen
before Windows starts up even though I have NVDA set to do this. I have
searched through Narrator's settings and I cannot see that there is a
setting there to prevent it from coming on during the PC login. Yet NVDA
does not com up until I login.



Is there anything I can do?



All the best,



Cearbhall



m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie









Re: an issue about the NVDA 2018.2 and instent translate addon

Gerardo Corripio
 

Using Windows7 32 Bytes, SP1 with latest NVDA and same version as you of the Translate AddOn, no issues at all. Just tried it and works great.

El 15/06/2018 a las 08:14 a.m., Mert Anlar escribió:
Hi fokes
since I installed the NVDA 2018.2 update, I cannot use the Instent
translate addon. setting up it's shortcuts, and also the languages, for
example, from En to TR, but it automatically sets from auto to TR
and, until I restart the NVDA, it doesn't allows me to open any NVDA
dialog box. i'm getting the following error.
An NVDA settings dialog is already open. Please close it first.
note that using the latest instent translate dev 4.1
here is the log
ERROR - unhandled exception (15:41:23.148):
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"C:\Users\Mert\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\instantTranslate\globalPlugins\instantTranslate\interface.py",
line 106, in onOk
  File "wx\_core.pyo", line 16711, in __getattr__
PyDeadObjectError: The C++ part of the Choice object has been deleted,
attribute access no longer allowed.

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