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Re: Fly Outs?

 

it always does this first time automatically.
If you then try to go back to it by navigating to it again it will work, its done this on win7 to my guess is it is showing a status window but its not a window and since you can enter it again or right click it it doesn't matter much.

On 18/05/2016 1:50 a.m., Pete wrote:

Hi
The network icon in the sys tray does this:
go to the sys tray
arrow to the network icon
wait for it
it opens up or flys out of accessibility.
not navigable using tab or arrow keys
might be able to use the mouse
not sure haven't tried just hid the darn thing.
Pete


On 5/13/2016 7:34 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


When I click on a file type that Windows doesn't recognize, I get this
fly out business. It asks me what program I want to use and gives me
a somewhat inaccessible GUI type interface. By routing around with
the review type cursor, you can make choices. I don't know if the fly
out reference occurs any other times, but this is where i get it in
Window 8.1.



On 5/13/2016 7:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Flyout is a term long before Windows 10. I don't recall technically
what a flyout is but I've seen the term network flyout when I issue
an incompatible command to open the connection manager in the System
Tray. I don't know if the term is used in other ways.

Gene
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To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Fly Outs?


so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows
10. What
are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Chris
 

update: sent feedback to apple regarding this, so if others an do same they may pull they finger out :)
 
cheers
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: 17 May 2016 20:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

same here :(
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: 17 May 2016 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Just wanted to let everyone no, that iTunes is broken, i think.
In the new version, if you pick a album or song, NVDA doesn't read the song or album your on unless you shift+Tab.
Confused.


Re: NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Lino Morales
 

Yeah I hate the new design. It sucks.


On 5/17/2016 3:05 PM, Chris wrote:
same here :(
 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: 17 May 2016 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Just wanted to let everyone no, that iTunes is broken, i think.
In the new version, if you pick a album or song, NVDA doesn't read the song or album your on unless you shift+Tab.
Confused.


Re: NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Chris
 

same here :(
 



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: 17 May 2016 18:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Just wanted to let everyone no, that iTunes is broken, i think.
In the new version, if you pick a album or song, NVDA doesn't read the song or album your on unless you shift+Tab.
Confused.


Re: Anti-Virus

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,

Yes Windows Defender is what used to be called MSE in earlier versions. There is not a tray icon as far as I know. If you want to get to it, open the start menu and type defender and it should be the first result. Also you can do a Windows key plus I and arrow to update and security. Once in update and security there is an option for Windows Defender.


Regards,

Greg Wocher

On 5/17/2016 12:29 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
The question really is though, how effective are they and how invasive.
some now report nvdas activities as suspicious, so I've stayed with Microsofts one.
It does seem to pick up threats, but as in any of them, one can never know what they miss. Many people seem to have some malware run once solutions as well to double check how the main one is working.

This leads me to ask one question. In Windows 10, it says its using Windows Defender. Is this what we used to call MSSE in previous versions of Windows, but the question is, although it seems to say its working, I have not yet found out how one actually administers it like we used to do in msse, ie I see no tray icon at all.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti-Virus


Dear Andrea!


Vipre is the best!

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Re: NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Please, let
accessibility@apple.com
know of this. Just because it’s a Windows program doesn’t mean they’re not interested, because after all they developed it for both Mac and Windows.

On 17 May 2016, at 18:30, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:

Just wanted to let everyone no, that iTunes is broken, i think.
In the new version, if you pick a album or song, NVDA doesn't read the song or album your on unless you shift+Tab.
Confused.


NVDA, and the new version of iTunes.

Matt Turner
 

Just wanted to let everyone no, that iTunes is broken, i think.
In the new version, if you pick a album or song, NVDA doesn't read the song or album your on unless you shift+Tab.
Confused.


Re: Anti-Virus

Rui Fontes
 

What languages these antivirus have?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Governor staten
Data: tera-feira, 17 de maio de 2016 16:56
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Anti-Virus

Sophos home. You get a license for up to ten computers. It is
accessible, and free. It usually stays out of the way.

On 5/17/2016 11:40 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
A friend of mine uses Nod 32.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea
Sherry
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anti-Virus

Opinions about the most accessible with NVDA.

Does not have to be freeware. In fact I would prefer a paid for program.

Any suggestions please.

Andrea



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Re: Anti-Virus

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

The question really is though, how effective are they and how invasive.
some now report nvdas activities as suspicious, so I've stayed with Microsofts one.
It does seem to pick up threats, but as in any of them, one can never know what they miss. Many people seem to have some malware run once solutions as well to double check how the main one is working.

This leads me to ask one question. In Windows 10, it says its using Windows Defender. Is this what we used to call MSSE in previous versions of Windows, but the question is, although it seems to say its working, I have not yet found out how one actually administers it like we used to do in msse, ie I see no tray icon at all.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti-Virus


Dear Andrea!


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Re: Sighted instructins, was Fly Outsn?

Patrick Le Baudour
 

It can be used for gui designing, to open files in some applications (I don't remeber why, but I have had to use that in the past) - that would just require to put it in the correct window -, sometimes to add in a zip file, or to execute a program with a file parameter that is in the same opened folder, or to do individual item sorting in explorer or another application...
Most things can be done other ways, drag and drop was quite convenient in some cases, though.


-- Patrick

Le 17/05/2016 à 00:15, Brian Vogel a écrit :
Arianna,

Drag-and-drop is a very frequently used operation, in many
contexts. In file explorer or windows explorer (depending on which
version of Windows you're using) moving files and folders from place to
place is most commonly done by drag-and-drop, which makes a lot of sense
intuitively because the visuals are as though you've picked up the
selected items and are carrying them from location A to location B. Of
course, this is easily done by select, cut, and paste via the keyboard.

In Microsoft Word, one can position things like tables,
images, and the like by dragging them and dropping them where you'd like
them. Mind you, Word will often not put them precisely where you
thought because it needs to flow text around it or the like, but text
wrapping can be changed such that you get precisely what you want.

There are websites where there are quizzes or tests that
operate by drag-and-drop. For instance, you have a list of terms on one
side and definitions on the other. Often you'll drag-and-drop an
electronic line between the term and what you believe to be its
definition, very much like the paper version of a test that works this way.

The problem with drag-and-drop is that, in the vast majority
of cases, is it's directly dependent on sight. You need to be able to
see source and destination, regardless of context, and to know when
you've reached your destination visually to do the drop. There are some
situations where that may not be the case, but they're relatively few
and far between, and I'm hard pressed at the moment to come up with a
good example. It will probably occur to me right after I hit "send" or
I'll encounter one by happenstance later this evening.

By the way, I seldom use drag and drop to move files
anymore. I far more commonly cut and paste.

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Re: Anti-Virus

lali <lali.belteki1@...>
 

Dear Andrea!


    Vipre is the best!


Re: Anti-Virus

 

Sophos home. You get a license for up to ten computers. It is
accessible, and free. It usually stays out of the way.

On 5/17/2016 11:40 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
A friend of mine uses Nod 32.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anti-Virus

Opinions about the most accessible with NVDA.

Does not have to be freeware. In fact I would prefer a paid for program.

Any suggestions please.

Andrea



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Re: Anti-Virus

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

A friend of mine uses Nod 32.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Anti-Virus

Opinions about the most accessible with NVDA.

Does not have to be freeware. In fact I would prefer a paid for program.

Any suggestions please.

Andrea



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Re: Anti-Virus

Angela Delicata
 

Eset nod 32.


Il 17/05/2016 12:20, Andrea Sherry ha scritto:
Opinions about the most accessible with NVDA.

Does not have to be freeware. In fact I would prefer a paid for program.

Any suggestions please.

Andrea

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Re: Web Page navigation

willmac@lantic.net
 

Thanks for the input Chris.
 
Rgs,
 
William
 

------ Original Message ------
From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@...>
Sent: 2016/05/17 2:39:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Hi William

Glad to see you are getting to grips with NVDA but I thought a little more explanation of the capslock feature described by Gene would be of interest to you.  In explaining how to enter the NVDA menu and set the capslock checkbox, Gene said to press Insert + n to display the NVDA menu.  Having set the checkbox and saved the settings, the Capslock key now works the same as the Insert key for the purpose of entering NVDA commands, as it is now an NVDA modifier key.  This is great for touch typists as you now have an NVDA modifier key either side of the keyboard, so for example you could now use the Capslock + n combination to open the NVDA menu.  Pressing the key twice quickly enables the Capslock key to perform its usual function.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of willmac@...
Sent: 17 May 2016 09:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Thanks Gene.  This exactly what I want. An action to turn CAPS LOCK on or off to allow me to type text with Caps Lock off and after wards putting CAP LOCK on again.

 Thank you.

 

William

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

Sent: 2016/05/16 5:47:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

It sounds as though you are doing better in working with web pages.  That's good. 

 

I'm not sure what you want to do.  If you want to disable the caps lock key so that pressing it does nothing, that is not an NVDA setting.  But you can set NVDA so that the caps lock has to be pressed twice quickly to keep it from turning on or off. 

 

Issue the command insert n.  You can use either insert.

Down arrow to preferences.  Press enter.

Down arrow to keyboard settings.

Press enter.

Tab to the check box that says some thing like use caps lock as modifier.

Press the space bar to check the check box, then press enter.

You are now back where you started.  The dialog has closed.

Now issue the command insert control c to save the setting permanently.  You will hear something like configuration saved.  This will save all your current settings so be sure you haven't changed anything else that you don't want changed permanently. 

 

Gene

 

 

From: willmac@...

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

 

Hi Gene,

 

At last I seem to have gone a stage further. You will not believe the effort I put into this.

 

As far as I can ascertain, I followed your tutorial faithfully.  What I did NOT do was give the keystroke "down arrow" time to work through the various options before it started reading.

 

Thank you for your patience and help.

Regards.

William.

PS. Is there a shortcut key to turn off Caps Lock while using NVDA

 

 

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

Sent: 2016/05/13 6:38:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

This is like a very short tutorial.  Trying what I describe may help you understand and work with what we have been discussing.

 

Let's use this very nonstandard web page to get to a much more typical one.  Open the page, make sure you are at the top with the command control home.

Now tab to the first story.  The first news story is:

Solidarity launches class action against GEPF

Follow that link by pressing enter.

You will be taken to the page with the story.  Starting at the top of the page, press h.  That will move you to a heading and as you continue to press it, you will be moved to other headings.  The heading that is the title of the story is where the article begins.  If you start reading from there by down arrowing or by using the read to end command, you will start hearing the article.  If you stop reading and press h two or three more times, you will see a heading that says your next story.  There will be a link to the next story either above or below the heading.  A heading is written using a different format to draw the reader's eye to the text of the heading.  You don't do anything with a heading except read it.  You would expect the link to be below the heading since the heading is not a link.  And if you down arrow, you will find the link.  You may find on some sites, that you have to up arrow, but usually, if the heading is not the link, you would down arrow. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

This message is long but I'm not sure the material could have been adequately covered in a shorter message.

 

The site you are discussing is not a typical Internet site. 

First a comment or two about structures in general.  You don't open headings.  You move to them.  You follow links by pressing enter on them.  But the site you are working with has nothing but links.  That is very nonstandard.  Go to the page you asked about.  Either start reading or if you just want to see links on this page, start tabbing.  Follow links by pressing enter.  If you want to learn to work with the commands you are trying to work with, use a conventionally formatted site.  Lots of sites are more or less conventionally formatted.  But this site is so nonstandard that we can tell you how to work with this site but it is not representative of most other sites. 

 

Here is more information. 

 

On the page you gave a link for, most quick navigation keys will only give you messages such as no next heading or no next button, etc.  That's because there are none and wherever you are on the page, there are none below where you are.  The commands such as h move to the next heading below your current position.  On this page, no matter where you are, there are no headings below where you are.  There is nothing anywhere on the page but links and text. 

even at the top of the page moving down the entire page, there are none. 

 

All such commands, b for button, x for check box, etc. look for what they are supposed to look for moving down the page.  If they find what they are looking for, they move you to it.  If they don't find anything, you will stay where you are on the page.

 

I would suggest you get an NVDA tutorial and listen to sections you consider important.  A very well thought of tutorial is available here:

If you look through the page, you will see how it is organized and you will get an idea of what you want to listen to.  Some people learn better using written material but many people prefer tutorials and if you do, this is a good one.

 

As far as how the keys work in general, I don't know how many sites you've tried them on.  If you go to a more or less standard site, you should get responses from many of the keys. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: willmac@...

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Hi Gene & Brian.

 

First of all in response to an earlier reference from Gene I must state categorically that I am a complete novice as regards NVDA.

I have heard the term "there are more than one way to skin a cat".  Well I am present not able to skin any cat.

I have read thru quite a bit of the short cut keys and they do not react to the way I expect.

 

That is why i submitted my originally URL http://t.digitalnewspaper.co.za/nl/jsp/m.jsp?c=%40fjNSuVTurK7VzhMSOxyzIucXl%2BKsnii1IrXYxuvhTwY%3D which I list again. Gene went to a lot of trouble detailing certain key strokes. However en this led to all sort of results.

I am not all interested in any  k links. If at all possible would it not be possible to give me the simplest method,  At this stage I am only interested in opening the headings and would want the key strokes required to read such articles continuously to the end.  Is this possible?.

 

Regards,

William

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>

Sent: 2016/05/12 6:15:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene,

           When the format of a given specific webpage is known, and in this case it is known to be nothing more than a list of links to articles, I don't think it's a disservice to anyone who cannot see to state that fact and to tell them that for this particular page using an elements list is the way to go.

           I'm not trying to teach general principles here, but to help someone get through a very specific webpage, and its child pages.

           And, yes, that's my opinion when I have a specific case under discussion, not a "how would one best go about this in the general case of an unfamiliar page."  Even then I'd encourage someone to give the elements list a look to get a quick snapshot regarding what links, headers, or landmarks might or might not be present.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Brian
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Re: embedded object in Firefox

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi  Gene 
  I think Brian was saying HTML5 didn't behave on his XP machines.  Adobe flash enabled on my computer would play the audio/video streams I just didn't like not having access to the controls for it. 
  Pete 

On 5/14/2016 7:40 AM, Gene wrote:
In your message concerning Flash and html5, which I didn't keep, so I'm writing from my recollection, it appears you said that flash didn't play well in XP.  I have never had problems related to XP specifically and Flash.  Even on a slow machine, Flash played properly.  It's HTML5 that doesn't play well on both of my XP machines and one should certainly be more than fast enough to play HTML5 audio content properly. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox

Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem.  If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible.  But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear.  It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time.  Many sites do and many don't.  I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary.  If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin.  I don't know enough to comment further.  And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to.  It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be.  I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


   I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
   I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
   not sure what is actually playing the audio,
   using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
   Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
> audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
> problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
> do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
> has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.
>
> I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.
>
> If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
> following url:
> https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
> 4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
> It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.
>
> Here is a typical audio book display:
>
> --Start of clip -----------------------
> link graphic Railway Viaduct
> embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
> Link Reserve
> On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
> Link Railway Viaduct
> Link Edward Marston
> Read by Sam Dastor
> Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
> eAudiobook - Unabridged
> ---end of clip ------------------
>
> The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
> flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
> that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
> have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
> YouTube in Firefox without any problem.
>
> After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
> workaround using NVDA:
>
> >From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
> press "g" to find a book title. If the next   object after pressing
> down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
> start.
>
> Here is the full sequence of steps:
> 1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
> 2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
> Object not available";
> 3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
> hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
> 4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
> 5. Press the space bar  to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
> speaking.
>
> If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
> not do the job either:
> 6. Press right arrow once;
> 7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
> sample.
>
> Can anyone advise what to do about this?
> A. Is it an NVDA problem?
> B. Is it a Firefox problem?
> c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: embedded object in Firefox

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi
Gene 
  I have the v l c media player installed and it is set to play in Firefox.  I don't think it is playing the audio, unless it plays hidden.  I am using windows 7 64 bit pro. 
  Thanks 
  Pete 

On 5/13/2016 4:11 PM, Gene wrote:
Disabling the Flash player may or may not solve the problem.  If HTML5 is available from the site, the HTML5 code is usually accessible and will likely allow you to play the audio if the Flash player being used is inaccessible.  But just disabling Flash may keep you from listening to audio you want to hear.  It depends on whether the site in question supports HTML5 at this time.  Many sites do and many don't.  I expect there is a way to make HTML the default choice which would allow the site to give you Flash content if necessary.  If this option is available, it would be a browser setting or would be made available in a plugin.  I don't know enough to comment further.  And it should be pointed out that I've tested with two XP machines and HTML audio doesn't play properly even though it's supposed to.  It appears that HTML5 isn't properly compatible with XP, at least not at this time and it might never be.  I have tested with both Chrome and Firefox with bad results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] embedded object in Firefox


   I disabled adobe flash player for this vary reason,
   I get warnings about flash player being disabled but the audio still
plays,
   not sure what is actually playing the audio,
   using fire fox 46.0 win 7 64 pro nvda latest.
   Pete


On 5/7/2016 10:06 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I found a problem in Firefox when attempting to listen to a sample of an
> audio book in the BorrowBox library system. I don't know if this is an NVDA
> problem or exclusively a Firefox Flash Player issue. or if Bolinda need to
> do something with their Java script. I should mention that the sighted user
> has no problem playing the audio sample using a mouse.
>
> I am using Windows 10,, NVDA 2016.1 and Firefox46.1 on a desktop PC.
>
> If List members would like to see the problem for themselves I recommend the
> following url:
> https://fe.bolindadigital.com/wldcs_bol_fo/b2i/productOverview.html?b2bSite=
> 4834&browseItemId=366096&fromPage=1
> It is not necessary to sign in to sample the reading of a title.
>
> Here is a typical audio book display:
>
> --Start of clip -----------------------
> link graphic Railway Viaduct
> embedded object unavailable (this should say "Preview" but doesn't!)
> Link Reserve
> On Loan, Available on 22/05/16
> Link Railway Viaduct
> Link Edward Marston
> Read by Sam Dastor
> Crime & Thriller, Historical Fiction
> eAudiobook - Unabridged
> ---end of clip ------------------
>
> The player for the audio sample is activated by an "embedded object" that is
> flagged by NVDA as "not being available". The BorrowBox help page advises
> that Adobe flash must be active to enable audio sampling of each title. I
> have Adobe flash installed and active. For example, I can play any song in
> YouTube in Firefox without any problem.
>
> After many weeks of failing to play the preview, I found the following
> workaround using NVDA:
>
> >From the top of the web page select eAudio if not already selected. Then
> press "g" to find a book title. If the next   object after pressing
> down-arrow once is "embedded Object" then you have an audio book and we can
> start.
>
> Here is the full sequence of steps:
> 1. Press G for the graphic of the book title;
> 2. Press down-arrow once to the embedded object. You should hear "Embedded
> Object not available";
> 3. Press NVDA + numpad Enter to activate the embedded object. You should
> hear "Embedded Object Unavailable Activate";
> 4. Press right arrow once. You should hear ""Space";
> 5. Press the space bar  to start and stop the sample audio of the narrator
> speaking.
>
> If pressing the space bar does not act as a toggle and the enter key does
> not do the job either:
> 6. Press right arrow once;
> 7. Press space bar or main keyboard enter to play and stop playing the audio
> sample.
>
> Can anyone advise what to do about this?
> A. Is it an NVDA problem?
> B. Is it a Firefox problem?
> c. Is it a BorrowBox problem for the developer Bolinda to see to?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Web Page navigation

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi  William 
  use the 't' to navigate by table
  the first press of 't' takes you to the date 
  The second press of 't'  takes you to the news section and nvda says blank. 
  If you press up arrow at that time you will here news and pressing down arrow nvda says the name of the first article in the section. 
  I don't know more than that I haven't explored the page more than that. 
  Good luck
  Pete 


On 5/13/2016 11:38 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

William

The problem is that the screen reader, be it NVDA, Jaws or anything else can only be used to navigate a web page using shortcut keystrokes provided the web page in question is marked up using the html elementse those keystrokes require to move focus around the screen.  The page you are referring to has no heading mark-up which is why the h command will not work  The only available mark-up elements appear to be links and paragraphs which is why only k an p commands work.  These may or may not be useful to you in finding where each newsletter item starts, so you may have to do a lot of line by line reading using the arrow keys to find the bits you want.     

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of willmac@...
Sent: 13 May 2016 15:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Hi Gene & Brian.

 

First of all in response to an earlier reference from Gene I must state categorically that I am a complete novice as regards NVDA.

I have heard the term "there are more than one way to skin a cat".  Well I am present not able to skin any cat.

I have read thru quite a bit of the short cut keys and they do not react to the way I expect.

 

That is why i submitted my originally URL http://t.digitalnewspaper.co.za/nl/jsp/m.jsp?c=%40fjNSuVTurK7VzhMSOxyzIucXl%2BKsnii1IrXYxuvhTwY%3D which I list again. Gene went to a lot of trouble detailing certain key strokes. However en this led to all sort of results.

I am not all interested in any  k links. If at all possible would it not be possible to give me the simplest method,  At this stage I am only interested in opening the headings and would want the key strokes required to read such articles continuously to the end.  Is this possible?.

 

Regards,

William

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>

Sent: 2016/05/12 6:15:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene,

           When the format of a given specific webpage is known, and in this case it is known to be nothing more than a list of links to articles, I don't think it's a disservice to anyone who cannot see to state that fact and to tell them that for this particular page using an elements list is the way to go.

           I'm not trying to teach general principles here, but to help someone get through a very specific webpage, and its child pages.

           And, yes, that's my opinion when I have a specific case under discussion, not a "how would one best go about this in the general case of an unfamiliar page."  Even then I'd encourage someone to give the elements list a look to get a quick snapshot regarding what links, headers, or landmarks might or might not be present.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 

   ~ Henry Rosovsky

    

 



Re: Fly Outs?

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 
  Hi 
  The network icon in the sys tray does this: 
  go to the sys tray 
  arrow to the network icon 
  wait for it 
  it opens up or flys out of accessibility. 
  not navigable using tab or arrow keys 
  might be able to use the mouse 
  not sure haven't tried just hid the darn thing. 
  Pete 
 

On 5/13/2016 7:34 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


When I click on a file type that Windows doesn't recognize, I get this fly out business.  It asks me what program I want to use and gives me a somewhat inaccessible GUI type interface.  By routing around with the review type cursor, you can make choices.  I don't know if the fly out reference occurs any other times, but this is where i get it in Window 8.1.



On 5/13/2016 7:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Flyout is a term long before Windows 10.  I don't recall technically what a flyout is but I've seen the term network flyout when I issue an incompatible command to open the connection manager in the System Tray.  I don't know if the term is used in other ways.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Fly Outs?


so I've never come across these before.seems to be just in windows 10. What
are they and how does one interact with them exactly?

Brian

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Re: Web Page navigation

Chris Mullins
 

Hi William

Glad to see you are getting to grips with NVDA but I thought a little more explanation of the capslock feature described by Gene would be of interest to you.  In explaining how to enter the NVDA menu and set the capslock checkbox, Gene said to press Insert + n to display the NVDA menu.  Having set the checkbox and saved the settings, the Capslock key now works the same as the Insert key for the purpose of entering NVDA commands, as it is now an NVDA modifier key.  This is great for touch typists as you now have an NVDA modifier key either side of the keyboard, so for example you could now use the Capslock + n combination to open the NVDA menu.  Pressing the key twice quickly enables the Capslock key to perform its usual function.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of willmac@...
Sent: 17 May 2016 09:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Thanks Gene.  This exactly what I want. An action to turn CAPS LOCK on or off to allow me to type text with Caps Lock off and after wards putting CAP LOCK on again.

 Thank you.

 

William

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

Sent: 2016/05/16 5:47:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

It sounds as though you are doing better in working with web pages.  That's good. 

 

I'm not sure what you want to do.  If you want to disable the caps lock key so that pressing it does nothing, that is not an NVDA setting.  But you can set NVDA so that the caps lock has to be pressed twice quickly to keep it from turning on or off. 

 

Issue the command insert n.  You can use either insert.

Down arrow to preferences.  Press enter.

Down arrow to keyboard settings.

Press enter.

Tab to the check box that says some thing like use caps lock as modifier.

Press the space bar to check the check box, then press enter.

You are now back where you started.  The dialog has closed.

Now issue the command insert control c to save the setting permanently.  You will hear something like configuration saved.  This will save all your current settings so be sure you haven't changed anything else that you don't want changed permanently. 

 

Gene

 

 

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 9:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

 

Hi Gene,

 

At last I seem to have gone a stage further. You will not believe the effort I put into this.

 

As far as I can ascertain, I followed your tutorial faithfully.  What I did NOT do was give the keystroke "down arrow" time to work through the various options before it started reading.

 

Thank you for your patience and help.

Regards.

William.

PS. Is there a shortcut key to turn off Caps Lock while using NVDA

 

 

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

Sent: 2016/05/13 6:38:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

This is like a very short tutorial.  Trying what I describe may help you understand and work with what we have been discussing.

 

Let's use this very nonstandard web page to get to a much more typical one.  Open the page, make sure you are at the top with the command control home.

Now tab to the first story.  The first news story is:

Solidarity launches class action against GEPF

Follow that link by pressing enter.

You will be taken to the page with the story.  Starting at the top of the page, press h.  That will move you to a heading and as you continue to press it, you will be moved to other headings.  The heading that is the title of the story is where the article begins.  If you start reading from there by down arrowing or by using the read to end command, you will start hearing the article.  If you stop reading and press h two or three more times, you will see a heading that says your next story.  There will be a link to the next story either above or below the heading.  A heading is written using a different format to draw the reader's eye to the text of the heading.  You don't do anything with a heading except read it.  You would expect the link to be below the heading since the heading is not a link.  And if you down arrow, you will find the link.  You may find on some sites, that you have to up arrow, but usually, if the heading is not the link, you would down arrow. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 10:16 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

This message is long but I'm not sure the material could have been adequately covered in a shorter message.

 

The site you are discussing is not a typical Internet site. 

First a comment or two about structures in general.  You don't open headings.  You move to them.  You follow links by pressing enter on them.  But the site you are working with has nothing but links.  That is very nonstandard.  Go to the page you asked about.  Either start reading or if you just want to see links on this page, start tabbing.  Follow links by pressing enter.  If you want to learn to work with the commands you are trying to work with, use a conventionally formatted site.  Lots of sites are more or less conventionally formatted.  But this site is so nonstandard that we can tell you how to work with this site but it is not representative of most other sites. 

 

Here is more information. 

 

On the page you gave a link for, most quick navigation keys will only give you messages such as no next heading or no next button, etc.  That's because there are none and wherever you are on the page, there are none below where you are.  The commands such as h move to the next heading below your current position.  On this page, no matter where you are, there are no headings below where you are.  There is nothing anywhere on the page but links and text. 

even at the top of the page moving down the entire page, there are none. 

 

All such commands, b for button, x for check box, etc. look for what they are supposed to look for moving down the page.  If they find what they are looking for, they move you to it.  If they don't find anything, you will stay where you are on the page.

 

I would suggest you get an NVDA tutorial and listen to sections you consider important.  A very well thought of tutorial is available here:

If you look through the page, you will see how it is organized and you will get an idea of what you want to listen to.  Some people learn better using written material but many people prefer tutorials and if you do, this is a good one.

 

As far as how the keys work in general, I don't know how many sites you've tried them on.  If you go to a more or less standard site, you should get responses from many of the keys. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

 

Hi Gene & Brian.

 

First of all in response to an earlier reference from Gene I must state categorically that I am a complete novice as regards NVDA.

I have heard the term "there are more than one way to skin a cat".  Well I am present not able to skin any cat.

I have read thru quite a bit of the short cut keys and they do not react to the way I expect.

 

That is why i submitted my originally URL http://t.digitalnewspaper.co.za/nl/jsp/m.jsp?c=%40fjNSuVTurK7VzhMSOxyzIucXl%2BKsnii1IrXYxuvhTwY%3D which I list again. Gene went to a lot of trouble detailing certain key strokes. However en this led to all sort of results.

I am not all interested in any  k links. If at all possible would it not be possible to give me the simplest method,  At this stage I am only interested in opening the headings and would want the key strokes required to read such articles continuously to the end.  Is this possible?.

 

Regards,

William

 

 

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>

Sent: 2016/05/12 6:15:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Page navigation

Gene,

           When the format of a given specific webpage is known, and in this case it is known to be nothing more than a list of links to articles, I don't think it's a disservice to anyone who cannot see to state that fact and to tell them that for this particular page using an elements list is the way to go.

           I'm not trying to teach general principles here, but to help someone get through a very specific webpage, and its child pages.

           And, yes, that's my opinion when I have a specific case under discussion, not a "how would one best go about this in the general case of an unfamiliar page."  Even then I'd encourage someone to give the elements list a look to get a quick snapshot regarding what links, headers, or landmarks might or might not be present.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Brian
-- 

Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts. 

   ~ Henry Rosovsky