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The manual installation successful

Dejan Ristic
 

I've just picked up the latest (2018.2.1) version of NVDA to check whether I won't fail while updating through the check for updates in the help menu. It failed when the secure screen appeared. I tried to bring up Narrator to see whether I can do anything, but to no avail. It was certain that my machine got stuck in the mud. That's why I am unable to provide you with some debugging log information. It was good that the manual installation was a success.


Dejan
\Devlearning request: tech support engineers

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

As part of their final exam, people on Devlearning subgroup who learned NVDA development basics and internals are asked to subscribe here and interact with you in at least three separate topic areas for the next few days. Once the final exam is over (on June 23, 2018), I’d like to ask feedback regarding how these students did in interacting with you as tech support engineers.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I saw that to and knew what was ogin on already, the stupid law in my humble opinion, but I did comply by saying yes.

On Jun 17, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin thanks for the confirmation so basically this is just a new prompts dialog added to the master snapshot. 😊

Robert Mendoza


On 6/18/2018 9:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table,  This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates.  Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access.  Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on.  For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information.  You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza







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Re: facebook ??

Marcio
 

Danni,
You don't need to send it to anyone to know if the pic was saved successfully.
When you're going to save the pic just press tab until you hear NVDA saying the file's type. If it's JPG or something like this, then you did all right and now it's just save the pic on the place you'd like. :)

Em 17/06/2018 15:48, Danni escreveu:

I think it did work I need to send it to someone so I can be sure! took a bit of movin around to find the right place to be cuz right click didn't quite get me there I think I found a show picture or something haha my youngest grandson was here yesterday my brain is muddled haha thanks so much for the help!
�
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi Danni,
Could you save the pic?
Em 16/06/2018 11:41, Danni escreveu:
Thanks was using i/e because firefox wasn't letting me so I'll try that way thanks!
�
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi, I'm back.
Well, first of all I need to know some things, such as which browser are you using when you tried to save the pic.
But assuming you're using Firefox, that's what I use...
Before downloading the pic you must choose to see it in a full size. You'll be able to find it tabing in the page that opens with the comments and reactions about the� post.
So, after you're in full size pic screen, you should be able to save it as a pic on itself.
Em 16/06/2018 01:37, Danni escreveu:
when I try a right click and save target as it calls it a document not a pic am not sure what changed to cause this but figured I'd ask?
�
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi,
Exactly what kind of trouble are you having?

Em 15/06/2018 19:44, Danni escreveu:
�
I have started having trouble taking pictures from people's facebook pages and am wondering if by chance there is an addon or something that can help?
�
when I try a right click and save target as it calls it a document not a pic am not sure what changed to cause this but figured I'd ask?
�
Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Quentin thanks for the confirmation so basically this is just a new prompts dialog added to the master snapshot. 😊

Robert Mendoza


On 6/18/2018 9:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table,  This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates.  Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access.  Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on.  For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information.  You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Robert Mendoza
 

I believe so , as far with the last statement mentioned of Quentin which I never saught this prompt dialog, in the previously version of the master snapshot and that is I just wanted to confirm. Actually, I was having a thought that is a new features added once you run update of the master snapshot but more or less its fine for me as long as nothing to be transmit.beyond aside of the data activity of nvda. 

Robert Mendoza   


On 6/18/2018 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Is this to comply with the new EEU law?  It's probably referring to what has been collected for a long time, information on how often it is used on the machine. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 7:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned

    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my
machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically
collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users
Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your
feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the
master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs.
Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to
make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine
and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza
Re: How can I set nvda to read column and row when use equal to select

Quentin Christensen
 

It doesn't read automatically at the moment, though it would be useful if it did.

I have created an issue on our tracker for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8411

I also documented a couple of workarounds there (namely, read current line at any point to read the selection, or set focus moves navigator object off, and read the current review line).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:52 PM, 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:

hi all:

  office 2016
  nvda 15304

  I type = (equal) in excel,
  when I use shift plus arrow key to selecting some columns,
  nvda can not read selected column's content, but show A1:A3 etc on has equal column on my braille display.
  it has too bad message, when I press ctrl+pgup change to other work shiet,
  I use shift plus arrow key again, my braille display not show any thing
  so, how can I do to solve that question


--

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How can I set nvda to read column and row when use equal to select

特種兵
 

hi all:

  office 2016
  nvda 15304

  I type = (equal) in excel,
  when I use shift plus arrow key to selecting some columns,
  nvda can not read selected column's content, but show A1:A3 etc on has equal column on my braille display.
  it has too bad message, when I press ctrl+pgup change to other work shiet,
  I use shift plus arrow key again, my braille display not show any thing
  so, how can I do to solve that question


--

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Gene
 

Is this to comply with the new EEU law?  It's probably referring to what has been collected for a long time, information on how often it is used on the machine. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 7:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned

    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my
machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically
collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users
Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your
feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the
master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs.
Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to
make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine
and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza
Re: PDF file missing spaces

Governor staten
 

Why that works, I have no clue.




On 6/17/2018 7:23 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That seems to do the trick, thanks!  

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 4:49 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I believe you can fix that by changing how documents are read by Acrobat. Change it to "read documents left to right", instead of "infer reading from document". Hope this helps.




On 6/17/2018 5:19 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.  I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: recommendation for ms office equivalent

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I have not tried LibreOffice, but my understanding is: Libree is more frequently updated, but still has some accessibility barriers that Openoffice does not. I know someone involved somehow in the LibreOffice project was posting on this list sometime not long ago, so perhaps he will chime in. I thought of giving Libre a spin anyway, but really, both Libre and Open do the same things and have almost exactly the same functionality, so I didn’t think there was really any advantage in having them both around.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: June 17, 2018 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] recommendation for ms office equivalent

 

Shouldn’t you use Libre Office instead of OpenOffice?  From what I understand, OpenOffice is not supported, but LibreOffice is.

 


On Jun 17, 2018, at 4:57 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Seconded; I think this a nice package, though I haven’t used the spreadsheet or database components extensively. Now, one thing to keep in mind though, is that while it can open most newer MS-type documents, it cannot save in the recent MS Office formats. You can save in the older MS formats, which newer versions of mS Office can still handle.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashley Wayne
Sent: June 16, 2018 10:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] recommendation for ms office equivalent

 

I have had good success with open office.  It has a standard menu system, instead of ribbons, which I personally like.

 

On 6/16/2018 7:52 PM, Craig wrote:

Hi.

 

Recommendation sorted for an office software that can access ms office files and obviously nvda can access as well.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

Cheers Craig

 

Craig& his Guide dog Winnie

 

 

Far beyond the Shrouded hours of dawn

Through the mist Of daybreak I was borne

But the day was Clouded still by night

Leaving me in the land of no light

 

 

Title of song: Echoes In The Dark

Performed by: Uriah Heep - Songwriters: Hensley, Ken

 

 
Re: recommendation for ms office equivalent

Ryan Mann <rmann0581@...>
 

Shouldn’t you use Libre Office instead of OpenOffice?  From what I understand, OpenOffice is not supported, but LibreOffice is.



On Jun 17, 2018, at 4:57 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:

Seconded; I think this a nice package, though I haven’t used the spreadsheet or database components extensively. Now, one thing to keep in mind though, is that while it can open most newer MS-type documents, it cannot save in the recent MS Office formats. You can save in the older MS formats, which newer versions of mS Office can still handle.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashley Wayne
Sent: June 16, 2018 10:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] recommendation for ms office equivalent

 

I have had good success with open office.  It has a standard menu system, instead of ribbons, which I personally like.

 

On 6/16/2018 7:52 PM, Craig wrote:

Hi.

 

Recommendation sorted for an office software that can access ms office files and obviously nvda can access as well.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

Cheers Craig

 

Craig& his Guide dog Winnie

 

 

Far beyond the Shrouded hours of dawn

Through the mist Of daybreak I was borne

But the day was Clouded still by night

Leaving me in the land of no light

 

 

Title of song: Echoes In The Dark

Performed by: Uriah Heep - Songwriters: Hensley, Ken

 

 
Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table,  This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates.  Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access.  Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on.  For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information.  You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:
    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
Re: Anyone Using NVDA with MS OneNote?

Shaun Everiss
 

Well of note, the office apps sway, one note, office lens and todo are free office apps.

So if these can be made accessible even if these are the only ms apps I use well I will be using them.

On 6/18/2018 1:11 PM, Adlevision wrote:
Holy crap!  Microsoft has finally made this app usable!  Microsoft, who are you and what have you done with Microsoft?
Yes, there are quirks and issues (tables, for instance), but check out the shortcuts:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-in-onenote-for-windows-44b8b3f4-c274-4bcc-a089-e80fdcc87950
...And even search is very accessible, which I haven't ever been able to say of MS Word.
I'm using Office 365 with NVDA.  We'll see how it goes long-term, but a couple of hours with it exceed Ulysses for Mac and all similar that I've tried.
Re: Anyone Using NVDA with MS OneNote?

Adlevision
 


Holy crap!  Microsoft has finally made this app usable!  Microsoft, who are you and what have you done with Microsoft?
Yes, there are quirks and issues (tables, for instance), but check out the shortcuts:
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/keyboard-shortcuts-in-onenote-for-windows-44b8b3f4-c274-4bcc-a089-e80fdcc87950
...And even search is very accessible, which I haven't ever been able to say of MS Word.
I'm using Office 365 with NVDA.  We'll see how it goes long-term, but a couple of hours with it exceed Ulysses for Mac and all similar that I've tried.
earlier master snapshot concerned

Robert Mendoza
 

After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza
Re: nvda 2018.2.1

Quentin Christensen
 

Surprise!

Happy Monday :)

Yes, NVDA 2018.2.1 is to fix an issue with some translations where an older version of some translations was incorrectly used in 2018.2.  The problem was partly caused by the what's new file itself, so the outcome was to update to the correct translations, but not update the what's new file, rather than update the what's new file, and risk the same regression with translations.

It has raised some issues with the translation system, and Mick is looking into how to make it more robust to prevent issues like this in future.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Hi.

what is this doing on my computer.

I got the update, I loaded it, but not only was there never a notification on here, whats new, what bugs does this fix, I assume it was a bugfix.

I also have the new vlc2 release, I can't remember an anouncement of that addon going out either I know it was testing but that was it.








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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
nvda 2018.2.1

Shaun Everiss
 

Hi.

what is this doing on my computer.

I got the update, I loaded it, but not only was there never a notification on here, whats new, what bugs does this fix, I assume it was a bugfix.

I also have the new vlc2 release, I can't remember an anouncement of that addon going out either I know it was testing but that was it.
Re: messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Chris,

 

I think outlook is configured to auto archive. I'll look in that folder and see if by any chance they're there. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 11:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

 

Hi Rose-Marie

Is your Outlook configured to auto-archive?  Check your folder list and see if there is a level 0 folder containing archived messages.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 17 June 2018 06:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I don't know what happened to some of my messages that I had from other lists that I'm on. They just suddenly disappeared. I know I didn't delete them. I tried looking in the junk folder but they're not there. Is there something else I can do?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 
Re: PDF file missing spaces

Quentin Christensen
 

That seems to do the trick, thanks!  

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 4:49 AM, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:

I believe you can fix that by changing how documents are read by Acrobat. Change it to "read documents left to right", instead of "infer reading from document". Hope this helps.




On 6/17/2018 5:19 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.  I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 
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