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Re: reading comments in a Word document with NVDA

Mary Otten
 

Thank you, that was very helpful. I have read that manual more than once, but I didn’t remember the command.
Mary

On Jun 18, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Helo,

As stated in the NVDA manual, Microsoft Word section,:
10.1.3. Reporting Comments
To report any comments at the current caret position, press NVDA+alt+c. All comments for the document, along with other tracked changes, can also be listed in the NVDA Elements List when selecting Annotations as the type.

Rui Fontes


Às 15:48 de 18/06/2018, Mary Otten escreveu:
I just got a document from a friend, and NVDA is saying "has comment" as I read through it. How can I read the comments and then get back to the text?


Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Hareth
 

I've forgot to say that's the case with firefox.

On 6/19/18, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:
Press the applications key to get the suggestions, in browser editor
like message body in web interface e-mail.

On 6/18/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I doubt there is a universal spell checker. E-mail programs generally
have
their own spell checkers. Outlook Express doesn't have it's own spell
checker. There is at least one spell checker that can be used but I
don’t
know how good it is.

If you are using a browser to send a message, incorrectly spelled words
are
flagged but I am not aware of suggestions, just the flag. At times, I use
a
word processor with a spell checker to write and spell check something
and
then paste it into the web site's editor.

I don't know if there are formatting proboems doing this and I often
correct
spelling errors manually in the web site editor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


What is a solution for a spell checker if one does not have Office
installed?

I have office both at home and at work, and I rely on a spell checker to
make sure I don’t send out misspelled words.

I recall the JawsLite list used to offer a spell checker utility that
when
installed, gave a spell checker for eMail clients.

I’m not sure if captcha is in the dictionary, but for other instances, it
is
a must.

I think that most Blind folks who lost their sight early on are bad
spellers, since we listen to material more than we read it in Braille.

I know that my spelling is not as good as it was when I could read print.

But it is important for us to send messages without misspelled words.

Glenn





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again



It isn't a typo. It is the result of the chronic and widespread practice
of
a lot of blind people not checking spelling of unfamiliar words and
relying
on speech for the spelling. it doesn't matter what you explain or how.
If
you write to a business or web site administrator or whomever in a
business
capacity, and misspell the name of the thing you are writing about, you
lose
considerable credibility and do not look competent.



And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise in the recipient, "If
the
person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe the person doesn't
know
how to use the captcha. If you want credibility in the sighted business
and
other professional worlds, spell correctly and use correct names. A
typographical error is mistyping; This is misspelling. and this issue
goes
much further. If you don't check names to be sure the spelling is
correct,
for example of the person you are writing to, you might use a w at the
end
of a name when you should use o u g h. and in your specific case,
someone
might spell Brian with a y instead of with an I or visa versa. And the
list
goes on.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again



You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a
company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for
them.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going
to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a
good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's
like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one
should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are
different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different
things.

Laz

On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even
know
what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe
2012.
and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that
and
I don't understand.

On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins
<computersassociated@gmail.com> wrote:

That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I
need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com <mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com>



On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you write to someone
complaining
about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I don't think so, is there no audio version?
The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not
know

about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the
inaccessible
dialogues and messages.
I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but
no
dev
has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this
weekend.

However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to
read,
not
withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a
programmer

really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language.
A
lot
of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible
to
fix
the dialogues as they made them work before.
As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of
a
question based system like.
If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
To which the answer is no of course.
I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are
not

a

robot leave this field blank.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com
<mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another
person
to
share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is
asking

you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other
says
decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some
kind

and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done
as
Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it
that
works
with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go
away.

Roger










On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current
version

this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank
page
saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its
totally
empty of any controls that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
Dropbox to get them to correct this.
Brian

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Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Hareth
 

Press the applications key to get the suggestions, in browser editor
like message body in web interface e-mail.

On 6/18/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I doubt there is a universal spell checker. E-mail programs generally have
their own spell checkers. Outlook Express doesn't have it's own spell
checker. There is at least one spell checker that can be used but I don’t
know how good it is.

If you are using a browser to send a message, incorrectly spelled words are
flagged but I am not aware of suggestions, just the flag. At times, I use a
word processor with a spell checker to write and spell check something and
then paste it into the web site's editor.

I don't know if there are formatting proboems doing this and I often correct
spelling errors manually in the web site editor.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


What is a solution for a spell checker if one does not have Office
installed?

I have office both at home and at work, and I rely on a spell checker to
make sure I don’t send out misspelled words.

I recall the JawsLite list used to offer a spell checker utility that when
installed, gave a spell checker for eMail clients.

I’m not sure if captcha is in the dictionary, but for other instances, it is
a must.

I think that most Blind folks who lost their sight early on are bad
spellers, since we listen to material more than we read it in Braille.

I know that my spelling is not as good as it was when I could read print.

But it is important for us to send messages without misspelled words.

Glenn





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again



It isn't a typo. It is the result of the chronic and widespread practice of
a lot of blind people not checking spelling of unfamiliar words and relying
on speech for the spelling. it doesn't matter what you explain or how. If
you write to a business or web site administrator or whomever in a business
capacity, and misspell the name of the thing you are writing about, you lose
considerable credibility and do not look competent.



And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise in the recipient, "If the
person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe the person doesn't know
how to use the captcha. If you want credibility in the sighted business and
other professional worlds, spell correctly and use correct names. A
typographical error is mistyping; This is misspelling. and this issue goes
much further. If you don't check names to be sure the spelling is correct,
for example of the person you are writing to, you might use a w at the end
of a name when you should use o u g h. and in your specific case, someone
might spell Brian with a y instead of with an I or visa versa. And the list
goes on.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:28 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again



You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a
company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for
them.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going
to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a
good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's
like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one
should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are
different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different
things.

Laz

On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know
what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe
2012.
and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that
and
I don't understand.

On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins
<computersassociated@gmail.com> wrote:

That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I
need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com <mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com>



On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you write to someone
complaining
about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I don't think so, is there no audio version?
The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not
know

about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the
inaccessible
dialogues and messages.
I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no
dev
has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this
weekend.

However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read,
not
withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a
programmer

really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language.
A
lot
of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible
to
fix
the dialogues as they made them work before.
As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a
question based system like.
If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
To which the answer is no of course.
I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not

a

robot leave this field blank.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
This message sent from a Windows XP machine!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com <mailto:paganus2@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another
person
to
share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is
asking

you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other
says
decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some
kind

and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as
Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that
works
with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.

Roger










On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current
version

this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank
page
saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its
totally
empty of any controls that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
Dropbox to get them to correct this.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.









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Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

Sarah k Alawami
 

I just  say yes and ignore it. I don't care what gets shared anymore as it all will at some point in time.

On Jun 18, 2018, at 6:50 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Actually its only  a stupid law to those who are ethical. Those who do all sorts of collecting should now have to come clean. As to whether in fact this occurs we shall have to wait and see. Its all this fake news twitface privacy and all that stuff that has sparked this
I guess the honeymoon is over. it has now become abundantly clear what the cost of the basic free internet infrastructure and web sites really is, and its up to an informed public to decide if its worth it or not.
More worrying I think is the loss of net Neutrality at the federal level in the United states, which in effect could allow a service  provider to prioritise traffic from a source they have deals with or pay extra, and slow down or block others unless the user pays a second time for a subscription item. many states have actually brought back in local neutrality laws in an attempt to stop  large companies exploiting customers in this way.

However time warner and at and to merging yesterday looks like bad news for our American internet users to me.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned


Yeah I saw that to and knew what was ogin on already, the stupid law in my humble opinion, but I did comply by saying yes.

On Jun 17, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin thanks for the confirmation so basically this is just a new prompts dialog added to the master snapshot. 😊

Robert Mendoza

On 6/18/2018 9:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table,  This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates.  Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access.  Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on. For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information.  You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@... <mailto:lowvisiontek@...>> wrote:
   After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

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Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

 

what about tiny spell.

It was what was recomended to me when I used jarte but I have never really used it as such.

On 6/19/2018 3:19 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
What is a solution for a spell checker if one does not have Office installed?
I have office both at home and at work, and I rely on a spell checker to make sure I don’t send out misspelled words.
I recall the JawsLite list used to offer a spell checker utility that when installed, gave a spell checker for eMail clients.
I’m not sure if captcha is in the dictionary, but for other instances, it is a must.
I think that most Blind folks who lost their sight early on are bad spellers, since we listen to material more than we read it in Braille.
I know that my spelling is not as good as it was when I could read print.
But it is important for us to send messages without misspelled words.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

It isn't a typo. It is the result of the chronic and widespread practice of a lot of blind people not checking spelling of unfamiliar words and relying on speech for the spelling. it doesn't matter what you explain or how. If you write to a business or web site administrator or whomever in a business capacity, and misspell the name of the thing you are writing about, you lose considerable credibility and do not look competent.

And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise in the recipient, "If the person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe the person doesn't know how to use the captcha. If you want credibility in the sighted business and other professional worlds, spell correctly and use correct names. A typographical error is mistyping; This is misspelling. and this issue goes much further. If you don't check names to be sure the spelling is correct, for example of the person you are writing to, you might use a w at the end of a name when you should use o u g h. and in your specific case, someone might spell Brian with a y instead of with an I or visa versa. And the list goes on.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a
company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for
them.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com<mailto:laz@talkingmp3players.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going
to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a
good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's
like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one
should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are
different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different
things.

Laz

On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com<mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>> wrote:
Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know
what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe
2012.
and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that
and
I don't understand.

On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins
<computersassociated@gmail.com<mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com>> wrote:

That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I
need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com<mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com> <mailto:computersassociated@gmail.com>



On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

The word is c a p t c h a, captcha. If you write to someone
complaining
about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

I don't think so, is there no audio version?
The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not
know

about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the
inaccessible
dialogues and messages.
I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no
dev
has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this
weekend.

However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read,
not
withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a
programmer

really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A
lot
of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to
fix
the dialogues as they made them work before.
As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a
question based system like.
If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
To which the answer is no of course.
I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not
a

robot leave this field blank.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person
to
share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is
asking

you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other
says
decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some
kind

and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as
Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that
works
with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.

Roger










On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current
version

this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank
page
saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its
totally
empty of any controls that read at all.

Anyone care to comment?
If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
Dropbox to get them to correct this.
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Re: earlier master snapshot concerned

 

I think the gdpr is a good thing, if you are bad well you will get it in the lug.

If you are good, then you are streamlining everything and everything is on the level.

And for users they have choice, that may hit your advertising pocket but could be all good business for you.

For those like dbinbox 1-2 man shops though it can be a problem.

Email from dbinbox had the owner saying not only did he understand parts of the law, but to hire extra people to handle complience and extra costs, pluss the potential suit of 20 million wasn't really an option for him so he pulled out of europe.

I doubt its an issue for everyone but it could become one for some people.

On 6/19/2018 1:50 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually its only  a stupid law to those who are ethical. Those who do all sorts of collecting should now have to come clean. As to whether in fact this occurs we shall have to wait and see. Its all this fake news twitface privacy and all that stuff that has sparked this
I guess the honeymoon is over. it has now become abundantly clear what the cost of the basic free internet infrastructure and web sites really is, and its up to an informed public to decide if its worth it or not.
More worrying I think is the loss of net Neutrality at the federal level in the United states, which in effect could allow a service provider to prioritise traffic from a source they have deals with or pay extra, and slow down or block others unless the user pays a second time for a subscription item. many states have actually brought back in local neutrality laws in an attempt to stop  large companies exploiting customers in this way.

However time warner and at and to merging yesterday looks like bad news for our American internet users to me.
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] earlier master snapshot concerned


Yeah I saw that to and knew what was ogin on already, the stupid law in my humble opinion, but I did comply by saying yes.

On Jun 17, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Quentin thanks for the confirmation so basically this is just a new prompts dialog added to the master snapshot. 😊

Robert Mendoza

On 6/18/2018 9:40 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Robert,

The information is the same as we have collected previously, as the dialog indicates, OS and NVDA version, language used, country, synthesizer, Braille diaplsy and table,  This information is collected when NVDA checks for updates. Nothing secure or private is ever transmitted, no spoken content or anything like that is shared.

Prompted by the new privacy regulations in the EU, we wanted to be as open about what data we collect as possible.

For anyone interested, the dialog reads: "In order to improve NVDA in the future, NV Access wishes to collect usage data from running copies of NVDA.

Data includes Operating System version, NVDA version, language, country of origin, plus certain NVDA
configuration such as current synthesizer, braille display and braille table. No spoken or braille content will be ever
sent to NV Access.  Please refer to the User Guide for a current list of all data collected.

Do you wish to allow NV Access to periodically collect this data in order to improve NVDA."

We use this information for several purposes:
- Having an idea about many users we have overall is good to use in promotion.
- Knowing that we have a lot of users in a particular country enables us to do things like prioritising translating information for users in that country.
- Conversely, if there is a large country that we are not reaching, maybe it is because we do not have a translator for the main language used there and that is something we can concentrate on looking for.
- Knowing how many users are on a particular version of Windows allows us to ensure we support what our users are working on.  For instance, when we dropped support for XP, we knew that only a very small percentage of users were still using XP.

We try to collect the minimum information possible which gives us valuable information.  You can opt out of this information collection if you prefer, although it does give us more useful data if the majority of our users allow it.



On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com <mailto:lowvisiontek@gmail.com>> wrote:
    After I updated the master snapshot today and installed to my machine, it prompts me with something like nvda will periodically collects of activity. Not clearly stated but looking around at the Users Guide to look what is all about this feature is. I appreciate your feedback for this one or, is this part of the new integration for the master snapshot version, and how will extend to where does to runs. Primarily, kinda concerned what is all about with this and wanting to make sure it does not violates the entirely the privacy of my machine and security. If someone could shed info about this, I truly appreciated it.

Robert Mendoza







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Re: NVDA And Avast Free Anti Virus

Mário Navarro
 

you have to use jaws.


Às 08:44 de 17/06/2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

Well I've had no luck with aAvast. It seems their protection system stops screenreaders accessing their screens properly and if you disable it with sighted help, then its forever complaining its vulnerable.
So I gave it the bi E off my machine using avarstclean.
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA And Avast Free Anti Virus


Hi Group,

Is there any add on or perhaps some sort of technique for using the main interface or in particular, the registration panel in the Avast Free Anti Virus program?

I used to be able to enter the registration information every year for the free upgrade, but something may have changed either in NVDA or Avast to make this impossible for me this year.

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Re: for Windows 7 users Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Hello Rosemarie.  Yes I did!  It is time to celebrate.  lol  Sorry for the late reply but all went well and I thank you for the help you gave. 
 
I do have one question so far though.  When in the inbox and am finished reading a message I push exit and then the delete button.  Before NVDA reads the name of the next poster it says INBOX WINDOWS  I don’t think it did that before and is slightly annoying.  Is this a permanent thing or is there a way to get rid of it?  If I just down arrow on the list in the inbox, it doesn’t seem to have the same words.
 
If it’s not one thing it is another, right? It was so kind of you to follow up with me on the update.  Thanks so much.
 
Marilyn
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: for Windows 7 users Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 

Hi, Marilyn,

 

Did you get the update?

 

Rosemarie

 

 


On 6/15/2018 9:02 PM, M & D Bilderback wrote:
Rosemarie and Quentin,
 
    Oh, thank you so much.  My version is 2018.1.  Just a while ago I got a  notice to update but don’t know what version that was as I told it to wait until later to notify me again.
  OK, I checked the updates available and it is the point 2 one.  I guess I will be daring and press the enter button.
 
Thanks so much for the quick responses and now I am much more educated!
 
Marilyn
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: for Windows 7 users Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 

Hi, Marilyn,

 

I think you should be able to go to the "check for updates" and you'll find out if you canupdate your version of NVDA. If not, you'll have to do it through the nv access site which is nvaccess.org.

 

To find out what version of NVDA you're running, hit the insert key and N to go to the menu. Then arrow down to the help menu and open it with the right arrow. Arrow down to "about" and hit enter on it. You'll hear whart version you're running.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 6/15/2018 2:43 PM, M & D Bilderback wrote:
 
Hi All,
 
I have a beginners question about NVDA.
Do I need to install the 2017 copy first or can I just go right into the 2018 one?  Also,  how do I find out what NVDA I am using right now?  Told you I was a novice!
 
Marilyn
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: for Windows 7 users Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 
That's what it look like, yes.  Which is why upgrading from NVDA 2017.4 or earlier on Windows 7 finds 2018.2, but upgrading from 2018.1 doesn't (from my limited trial on one computer).  We should be able to fix it but in the meantime, downloading the update manually should work.
 
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Your welcome. I wonder if things broke when Windows 7 users didn't, and weren't supposed to get the automatic update notice from the 2018.1 minor update that was rolled out to WinX users? Just a thought.
Travis
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: for Windows 7 users Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 
Thanks Travis,

A couple of people have reported this, and we're looking into it.  In the meantime, yes downloading manually should work from https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
 
Sorry for the inconvenience!
 
Of those experiencing this, every report I've seen so far has been from Windows 7 users, is anyone experiencing this on Windows 8 or 10 please?
 
Regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Just a heads up for Windows 7 users: it is necessary to go to the website to download the latest version of NVDA as searching for updates within NVDA itself still says that there are no updates available. As it is now 10 hours since Quentin's announcement, his second mention of it actually on the list, both at 12:15 AM, Pacific Standard time, I feel it safe to mention that the normal method for checking for updates within the NVDA program itself is flawed for now, perhaps to be fixed later on down the line. Thanks.
Travis
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 
Hi everyone,
 
Well, if you read my In-Process blog post earlier today and it left you salivating and demanding to know when we would finally release NVDA 2018.2, salivate no more!  NVDA 2018.2 is now available!
 
See the full announcement here:
 
 

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2018.2 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include Support for tables in Kindle for PC, support for HumanWare BrailleNote Touch and BI14 Braille displays, Improvements to both Onecore and Sapi5 speech synthesizers, improvements in Microsoft Outlook and much more.

This award-winning software has been changing the lives of thousands of blind and vision impaired people who can now independently use computers to produce written content, read news, socialise, shop and bank online, and, most importantly, actively participate in education and employment. Please consider helping NV Access to continue this important work by becoming a monthly donor.


 
 
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Re: PDF file missing spaces

sardar shankar
 

opening the file in any browser might solve the problem. tha's how I
have solved same type of problem.

On 6/18/18, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, one more potential solution that I found is to use
Google Chrome - it comes with a PDF reader, that seems to understand
spaces between words better. If the file is on your local computer, then
just type its full path into the address bar (e.g.
"C:\Users\tony\SomeFile.pdf"). Or if the file is online, just ytpe its
URL in the adress bar.



On 6/17/2018 2:19 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the
solution.  I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read
with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to
a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in
files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember,
is how do I fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: text aloud reader

Kerryn Gunness
 

cool cool
but how is it different from balabolka?
 

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From: The Wolf
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] text aloud reader

choose run for free that will get you on the trial
if memory serves it is either a 30 day trial or a 15 day trial
I haven't used the trial in ages sense I all ready own the product
by the way it is a awesome program
On 6/18/2018 8:00 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do
 
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Re: reading comments in a Word document with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Helo,

As stated in the NVDA manual, Microsoft Word section,:
10.1.3. Reporting Comments
To report any comments at the current caret position, press NVDA+alt+c. All comments for the document, along with other tracked changes, can also be listed in the NVDA Elements List when selecting Annotations as the type.

Rui Fontes


Às 15:48 de 18/06/2018, Mary Otten escreveu:

I just got a document from a friend, and NVDA is saying "has comment" as I read through it. How can I read the comments and then get back to the text?


Re: facebook ??

Danni
 

it says .png and I like to have a sighted person look before adding more to my computer! I'm pretty sure it worked but if it ever cools down around here I'll spend more time on it haha

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Danni,
You don't need to send it to anyone to know if the pic was saved successfully.
When you're going to save the pic just press tab until you hear NVDA saying the file's type. If it's JPG or something like this, then you did all right and now it's just save the pic on the place you'd like. :)

Em 17/06/2018 15:48, Danni escreveu:
I think it did work I need to send it to someone so I can be sure! took a bit of movin around to find the right place to be cuz right click didn't quite get me there I think I found a show picture or something haha my youngest grandson was here yesterday my brain is muddled haha thanks so much for the help!
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi Danni,
Could you save the pic?
Em 16/06/2018 11:41, Danni escreveu:
Thanks was using i/e because firefox wasn't letting me so I'll try that way thanks!
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi, I'm back.
Well, first of all I need to know some things, such as which browser are you using when you tried to save the pic.
But assuming you're using Firefox, that's what I use...
Before downloading the pic you must choose to see it in a full size. You'll be able to find it tabing in the page that opens with the comments and reactions about the� post.
So, after you're in full size pic screen, you should be able to save it as a pic on itself.
Em 16/06/2018 01:37, Danni escreveu:
when I try a right click and save target as it calls it a document not a pic am not sure what changed to cause this but figured I'd ask?
�
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook ??

Hi,
Exactly what kind of trouble are you having?

Em 15/06/2018 19:44, Danni escreveu:
�
I have started having trouble taking pictures from people's facebook pages and am wondering if by chance there is an addon or something that can help?
�
when I try a right click and save target as it calls it a document not a pic am not sure what changed to cause this but figured I'd ask?
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i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either run as free or activate with a code
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Re: PDF file missing spaces

Tony Malykh
 

For what it's worth, one more potential solution that I found is to use Google Chrome - it comes with a PDF reader, that seems to understand spaces between words better. If the file is on your local computer, then just type its full path into the address bar (e.g. "C:\Users\tony\SomeFile.pdf"). Or if the file is online, just ytpe its URL in the adress bar.



On 6/17/2018 2:19 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I know I've come across this before but I just can't recall the solution.  I've got a PDF file which when I read it, parts of it read with no spaces between words (ditto copying the text out or saving to a text file).

It is something to do with how Adobe Reader interprets the spaces in files created with certain other products, but what I can't remember, is how do I fix it, please?

Regards

Quentin.

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Windows 10 App Essentials 18.06.1 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 18.06.1 is now available via add-on update check facility.

 

Changelog:

• NVDA will no longer announce Start menu size text when changing screen resolutions or orientation.

• NVDA will announce various dialogs as "dialog".

• NVDA will announce more notifications from Microsoft Edge, including Reading View availability notification.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I was thinking of that last night. Outlook has a search feature where you
type in what you're looking for. I used that feature last night and found
what I was looking for.

Rosemarie

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

Normally a reset of the account downloads loads of the emails again, but
the problem is if you have any stored offline and they are no longer on the
server they are gone for ever.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook


It's an imap account.



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White via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

If it's an IMAP or Microsoft Exchange account, you can probably just
delete
your *.ost files. Mine are found in the user profile folder, under
AppData\local\Microsoft\Outlook. You need to close Outlook before deleting
the files.

When you start Outlook again, it will retrieve the messages from the
server
and recreate those files.

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Chavarria
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 11:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

I'll call the Microsoft disability line tomorrow and see what they say. It
very well could be a corruption in the indexing.



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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 12:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook

Take the machine back to when you saw them last? However I'm not
optimistic.

I seem to remember this sort of thing happening in older Outlooks back
when
I tried to use it.
Its normally some corruption in the indexing in Outlook. Maybe there is an
answer on the Microsoft Office forum?
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 6:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] messages disappearing from my folders in outlook


Hi, everyone,



I don't know what happened to some of my messages that I had from
other lists that I'm on. They just suddenly disappeared. I know I
didn't delete them. I tried looking in the junk folder but they're not
there. Is there something else I can do?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie























Re: Dropbox innaccessibility again

Gene
 

I doubt there is a universal spell checker.  E-mail programs generally have their own spell checkers.  Outlook Express doesn't have it's own spell checker.  There is at least one spell checker that can be used but I don’t know how good it is.
 
If you are using a browser to send a message, incorrectly spelled words are flagged but I am not aware of suggestions, just the flag.  At times, I use a word processor with a spell checker to write and spell check something and then paste it into the web site's editor.
 
I don't know if there are formatting proboems doing this and I often correct spelling errors manually in the web site editor.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

What is a solution for a spell checker if one does not have Office installed?

I have office both at home and at work, and I rely on a spell checker to make sure I don’t send out misspelled words.

I recall the JawsLite list used to offer a spell checker utility that when installed, gave a spell checker for eMail clients.

I’m not sure if captcha is in the dictionary, but for other instances, it is a must.

I think that most Blind folks who lost their sight early on are bad spellers, since we listen to material more than we read it in Braille.

I know that my spelling is not as good as it was when I could read print.

But it is important for us to send messages without misspelled words.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 5:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

 

It isn't a typo.  It is the result of the chronic and widespread practice of a lot of blind people not checking spelling of unfamiliar words and relying on speech for the spelling.  it doesn't matter what you explain or how.  If you write to a business or web site administrator or whomever in a business capacity, and misspell the name of the thing you are writing about, you lose considerable credibility and do not look competent. 

 

And how do you know that the thought doesn't arise in the recipient, "If the person is misspelling the name to this extent, maybe the person doesn't know how to use the captcha.  If you want credibility in the sighted business and other professional worlds, spell correctly and use correct names.  A typographical error is mistyping;  This is misspelling.  and this issue goes much further.  If you don't check names to be sure the spelling is correct, for example of the person you are writing to, you might use a w at the end of a name when you should use o u g h.  and in your specific case, someone might spell Brian with a y instead of with an I or visa versa.  And the list goes on. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again

 

You are worrying about typos. We know what we mean. If I was writing to a
company I'd explain the actual issue without trying to use buzz words for
them.
 Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again


> Sure, but if one is going to write a company to complain about their
> use of quote captures unquote on their web site, they're either going
> to think you're nuts or won't know what you're talking about. It's a
> good idea to call something what it is or one won't get very far. It's
> like going to a deli and asking for a cam shaft sandwich when one
> should have said Corned Beef Hash instead. the two phrases are
> different things just as capture and captcha are two totally different
> things.
>
> Laz
>
> On 6/16/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>> Actually, i've even spelled it correctly and most people don't even know
>> what that even is called. Lol! I didn't even know the term until maybe
>> 2012.
>> and even my sighted relitaves don't get it. they are like, what is that
>> and
>> I don't understand.
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Daniel Hawkins
>>> <computersassociated@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is good to know, I would have spelled it wrong too. This is why I
>>> need to use the spell by character more often. Thanks for the tip!
>>> Daniel Hawkins
>>> computersassociated@... <mailto:computersassociated@...>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Gene <gsasner@...
>>>> <mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The word is c a p t c h a, captcha.  If you write to someone
>>>> complaining
>>>> about inaccessible captures, you will loose credibility.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 9:57 AM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, is there no audio version?
>>>>  The problem is everyone these days is security paranoid. I did not
>>>> know
>>>>
>>>> about the capchar, but I have just sent them an email about the
>>>> inaccessible
>>>> dialogues and messages.
>>>>  I also have a big list of some of the problems on the dev list but no
>>>> dev
>>>> has commented. I shall turn it into a ticket if i get time this
>>>> weekend.
>>>>
>>>> However if its not possible to tweak nvda to get these things to read,
>>>> not
>>>> withstanding the cap char then i feel that somebody in NVDA a
>>>> programmer
>>>>
>>>> really needs to have a word with them as they talk the same language. A
>>>> lot
>>>> of it is written in python QT and C. It should be perfectly possible to
>>>> fix
>>>> the dialogues as they made them work before.
>>>>  As for the Capchar, Google is gradually removing those in favour of a
>>>> question based system like.
>>>>  If the sky is cloudy is it blue.
>>>>  To which the answer is no of course.
>>>> I particularly like the one that says in the edit field, if you are not
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>> robot leave this field blank.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
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>>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>>> 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> This message sent from a Windows XP machine!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@... <mailto:paganus2@...>>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 3:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox innaccessibility again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Also, it's now very difficult to accept an invite from another person
>>>> > to
>>>> > share a folder. You used to just get an email and it says who is
>>>> > asking
>>>> >
>>>> > you to share and there are 2 buttons--one says accept and the other
>>>> > says
>>>> > decline. That was so easy! Now you are taken to a web page of some
>>>> > kind
>>>> >
>>>> > and it asks you to solve a captcha and this can no longer be done as
>>>> > Webvisum is finished for Firefox, and I know of nothing like it that
>>>> > works
>>>> > with any other browser. Seems like dropbox wants us to just go away.
>>>> >
>>>> > Roger
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 6/16/2018 6:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> >> I wanted to share a folder today, but it seems on the current
>>>> >> version
>>>> >>
>>>> >> this dialogue no longer works with nvda either. it just is a blank
>>>> >> page
>>>> >> saying its the shaere with another user item, but just like the
>>>> >> preferences and the delete from all machines and devices one its
>>>> >> totally
>>>> >> empty of any controls that read at all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone care to comment?
>>>> >> If its also happening in windows 10 maybe we can write en masse to
>>>> >> Dropbox to get them to correct this.
>>>> >> Brian
>>>> >>
>>>> >> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>> >> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> >> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>>> >> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>>> >> 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> >> in the display name field.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Message in some dialog is not announced when "report object description" is unchecked

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Yes, it is normal.

The text inside that window is really classified as the description of the object, in this case, the window that popups when you try to install an addon, or the About window of NVDA.

Regards,

Rui Fontes



Às 16:38 de 18/06/2018, bering.p escreveu:

Hello,
I found that when you uncheck the "Report object descriptions" parameter, the message included in the dialog boxes like "Add-on Installation" is not announced.
Do you think it's normal?
Thanks.
Cheers.
--
Paul.


Re: text aloud reader

Ervin, Glenn
 

One example of this as a need was when I had information to present to a large group of folks at an NFB convention.
I read Braille, but not fast enough to read a document, which held important FCC information.
I made an MP3 of the text and played it over the microphone system.
I imagine folks might want to make a CD for the car as well.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] text aloud reader

If you just want to produce a file with artificial speech in it then why not use dspeech?
Brian

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From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] text aloud reader


hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either
run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do

kerryn


Re: text aloud reader

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/intbw8xb9a1ck8s/dspeech.zip?dl=1

In case anyone is remotely interested. depends on sappi 5 voices being installed.
Brian


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From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 4:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] text aloud reader


hi
i am trying to install text aloud
but i dont no how to register and activate the program
i wen throught the installation, when it is finish it is asking me to either run as free or activate with a code
not sure what to do

kerryn