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Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

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Yes well I'm still waiting for a reply from Dropbox on their new inaccessible interfaces and dialogues. many seem to just shove such things to the bottom of the pile and hope you go away.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend


Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or opensource well maybe.




On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.










Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

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Sounds like the UK then, the thing is that it seems hit and miss whether your request for jaws with custom scripts gets funded by the government or employer. Usual red tape takes so long that you lose the job by the time its got sorted.

Catch 22 as usual.

No job contract, no jaws, no jaws no job.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend


Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.









Re: Lots Of NVDA Freezes

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Did the sound drivers get updated by windows?
I wonder if it is some driver issue. I think the first thing I'd try is to roll back both the windows and nvda versions, the update nvda with the old windows and see if the problem persists. At least then you can see if its one or the other.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Homme" <jhomme@benderconsult.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes


Hi,
As far as I can figure out, I’m having so many freezes with NVDA since Windows 10 was updated, NVDA went to 2018.2.1, or both, that I can’t reliably use NVDA. As far as I can tell, NVEA is not crashing, because I am looking for the old log file by using Windows+R, then typing temp and looking for it in that folder. I have debug turned on for the log. When NVDA freezes, it seems that the keyboard freezes. I have been trying to run either JAWS or Narrator, then passing the NVDA+F1 key stroke to get at the existing log, because I’m assuming that NVDA is still running, since I have not found the old log hanging around. I could really use some advise diagnosing this issue, so that I can either add to a GitHub issue some useful information or make a new one.

Thanks so much for letting me rant.

Jim



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Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

Quentin Christensen
 

Just to reiterate what Shaun has said, there is no problem with someone charging to create NVDA add-ons, and / or making add-ons which are commercial and which someone sells.  The only thing we would ask is that anyone doing that ensure it is clear they are charging for their service and work, and not NVDA itself, and that they are representing themselves or their company, not NV Access officially.

Of course, we are very encouraging of the open-source community and the fantastic add-ons which are made freely available by our wonderful community, but we recognise that often employers require work to be prioritised and to the requirements they set, and are willing to pay for that, so a commercial arrangement is the best way forward there.

Also, in some places, government schemes and subsidies are available for such work.  For instance, in Australia, the government have a "Workplace modifications" scheme, which will pay for any modifications to an employees standard work environment, to enable it to be accessible to someone with a disability - whether that be a height adjustable desk, extra lighting, add-on development for NVDA to work with an in-house program etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or opensource well maybe.





On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work.  However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA.  Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.



















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Re: nvda installation problem

Don <donmi@...>
 

I found NVDA files left after the uninstall in the program files (x86)
folder. There are 21 files. I tried removing the directory manually,
removing the files with a global delete and one by one. In all cases I got
the same message saying that the process could not be completed because a
file is in use.

I have never used safe mode. Can a screen reader, JAWS 2018, read the screen
in safe mode?

How do I get in to safe mode? Is that the right next step?

Don

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

In the latest nvda system, the lib folders are renamed and new files are
written to new copies, then the old files deleted. If any of this fails then
this error can occur. I noticed it with another piece of software about a
week ago. A complete clear out fixed it.


However great care went into the fail safe nature for nvda in this regard,
but it might well be a very old version of nvda if then updated to a very
new one might throw up errors we have not experienced.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem


You said that it was uninstalled. That doesn't mean all files were removed.

The next question, which has been discussed here before but which I didn't
try to remember the answer to, is what files are left when uninstalling. It

appears from the cannot overwrite a file message, that at least one file is
in use. I don't know why but such questions may help you solve the proboem.

Perhaps something wasn't fully uninstalled that should have been and Windows

is keeping a file in use, perhaps because a registry entry is still present
that tells it to. In short, I suspect that completely removing the program
may require dealing with such questions or, perhaps, going into safe mode
and removing the extra files.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Don
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem


I see no indication in the list of apps and programs on the computer that
NVDAis present. If it were running on the log in screen how would I remove
it?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

Are you sure you don't have a copy of NVDA that is running on the logon
screen?

Il 21/06/2018 10:58, Don ha scritto:
I have a new windows 10 laptop computer. I am trying to install the
2018.1 program. When I run the install application I get the message
that NVDA was unable to overwrite, or remove a file. Another copy of
NVDA may be running. I have no copy running. I did have someone else
try to help me install NVDA before and they couldn't make it work so
they uninstalled the previous copy they tried to install.

I am currently running JAWS 2018. What do I need to do to get the
installer to complete the installation of NVDA 2018.1 on my laptop?


Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

Sky Mundell
 

Aww. That was because for the longest time, jfw had scripting. The former Window-Eyes had a great scripting model but it wasn't introduced until the former Window-Eyes 7 which came out in 2008, but by that time jfw had got the scripts and was at the top. I'm not sure what year Dolphin has had it. SA hasn't had a scripting feature partly because it is a product for home use, specificly targeted at seniors.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they
recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in
house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or
whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we
can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone
if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the
scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter
if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or
opensource well maybe.




On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.










Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

 

Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or opensource well maybe.

On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.









Re: Dealing With Windows On Top

Jackie
 

Sometimes object nav works for this, Kelly.

On 6/21/18, Noelia Ruiz <nrm1977@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I don't use JAWS at all, but I think you want to access to the
Windows Taskbar.
There is a shortcut key on Windows for this: Press Windows+t. Then use
right and left arrow to move between elements, Enter to open and the
context menu (Applications key), to perform actions, for example, unpin
an icon from the taskbar.
If you know the position of pinned icons, you can activate them pressing
the Windows key (holding it) and then the corresponding number. For
instance, I can open the file explorer by pressing Windows+2, which is
the second pinned icon on my taskbar.
Alternatively, you can use an NVDA add-on named Systray List.
Here are related links:
Keyboard shortcuts in Windows - Windows Help:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts


systrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

Cheers


El 22/06/2018 a las 5:38, Kelly Sapergia escribió:
Hi,

In NVDA, is there a way to find out what windows are being displayed on
top?
There have been a few times when I've needed to click on one of these,
such
as to activate a product I was recently experimenting with, but they
don't
appear to be easy to find, and are not available when Alt+Tabbing. With
JAWS, if I bring up it's Windows List with Insert+F10, I can easily see
which of these are available.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info

Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia






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Re: Dealing With Windows On Top

Noelia Ruiz
 

Hi, I don't use JAWS at all, but I think you want to access to the Windows Taskbar.
There is a shortcut key on Windows for this: Press Windows+t. Then use right and left arrow to move between elements, Enter to open and the context menu (Applications key), to perform actions, for example, unpin an icon from the taskbar.
If you know the position of pinned icons, you can activate them pressing the Windows key (holding it) and then the corresponding number. For instance, I can open the file explorer by pressing Windows+2, which is the second pinned icon on my taskbar.
Alternatively, you can use an NVDA add-on named Systray List.
Here are related links:
Keyboard shortcuts in Windows - Windows Help:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts


systrayList:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/systrayList.en.html

Cheers

El 22/06/2018 a las 5:38, Kelly Sapergia escribió:
Hi,
In NVDA, is there a way to find out what windows are being displayed on top?
There have been a few times when I've needed to click on one of these, such
as to activate a product I was recently experimenting with, but they don't
appear to be easy to find, and are not available when Alt+Tabbing. With
JAWS, if I bring up it's Windows List with Insert+F10, I can easily see
which of these are available.
Thanks.
Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
www.theglobalvoice.info
Personal Website: www.ksapergia.net
Business Site (KJS Productions): www.kjsproductions.com
Follow me on Twitter at: kjsapergia


Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.





Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

 

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally installed app,.

On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.




Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

 

Hi,

Will you be able to find out the name of this software and the vendor behind this, as well as what NVDA should do when your friend uses this software at work? Once that’s done, have your friend contact the software vendor to discuss accessibility solutions. Depending on what the vendor says:

  • If the vendor is willing to make things accessible, then have your friend work with the vendor to identify what needs to be done.
  • If the vendor is unsure as to what should be made accessible, you and your friend should explain what’s happening in hopes of convincing the vendor that accessibility is an important thing to consider.
  • If the vendor wants a reference regarding accessibility or screen reading, tell the vendor representative to contact NV Access via email at info@....
  • If the vendor is uninterested in making their product accessible, talk to me privately so I can bring this up to attention of NV Access and developers in hopes of getting the vendor to listen to experts.
  • If the vendor is still unconvinced, have your friend tell the vendor that she will bring this problem with her employer in hopes of getting the vendor to listen to other people. This may involve switching to an alternative product.

 

The most optimal case would be no need for a custom add-on, as making products accessible from the vendor’s side helps more people than they might think. However, if a custom add-on is in order, the best course of action is asking NV Access for help, and depending on their schedule and resources needed, they could advise vendors, do something themselves, or ask the community for help.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 8:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

 

Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as her screen reader at work.  However, she has ran into a software that they are using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there can script NVDA.  Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom made software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA Keynote, and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports NVDA as their primary tool and he’d like to be able to expand it so that it has local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.


Dealing With Windows On Top

Kelly Sapergia
 

Hi,

In NVDA, is there a way to find out what windows are being displayed on top?
There have been a few times when I've needed to click on one of these, such
as to activate a product I was recently experimenting with, but they don't
appear to be easy to find, and are not available when Alt+Tabbing. With
JAWS, if I bring up it's Windows List with Insert+F10, I can easily see
which of these are available.

Thanks.

Yours Sincerely,
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Show Host and Production Director
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Scripting custom made software for a friend

Sky Mundell
 

Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as her screen reader at work.  However, she has ran into a software that they are using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there can script NVDA.  Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom made software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA Keynote, and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports NVDA as their primary tool and he’d like to be able to expand it so that it has local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.


Re: Lots Of NVDA Freezes

Quentin Christensen
 

You can restart NVDA with add-ons disabled by pressing NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and enter.

If that fixes the problem, in the NVDA menu, under Tools, is Add-on manager, where you can enable or disable specific add-ons.  Try disabling all add-ons and enabling one at a time to see what is causing problems.

It is also worth looking to see if there are updates to any of the add-ons you use.

See https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html for the add-ons available.

Regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:

Hi Jackie,

Thanks. For a short while, I’m going to run with no add-ons enabled, then enable one, then the other, only running one at a time, then combinations of of them.

 

Jim

 

 



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Digital Accessibility
Bender Consulting Services
412-787-8567
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People with disabilities, access job openings at https://www.benderconsult.com/careers/job-openings

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Jackie <abletec@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:15:55 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes
 
Your event viewer is under Administrative Tools' in Control Panel. I'd
be looking at both systems & applications events.

On 6/21/18, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:
> Hi Jackie,
>
> If you can point me to instructions, I would be very grateful. I’d be glad
> to take it from there.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ==========
> Jim Homme
> Product Manager
> Digital Accessibility
> Bender Consulting Services
> 412-787-8567
> https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
> People with disabilities, access job openings at
> https://www.benderconsult.com/careers/job-openings
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Jackie
> <abletec@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:33:49 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes
>
> Jim, I'm running Win 10 & latest NVDA & not experiencing those sorts
> of problems. It'd be interesting to see if your event logs contain
> anything notable, ie, I'm wondering if this could possibly be
> hardware-related.
>
> On 6/21/18, Jim Homme <jhomme@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> As far as I can figure out, I’m having so many freezes with NVDA since
>> Windows 10 was updated, NVDA went to 2018.2.1, or both, that I can’t
>> reliably use NVDA. As far as I can tell, NVEA is not crashing, because I
>> am
>> looking for the old log file by using Windows+R, then typing temp and
>> looking for it in that folder. I have debug turned on for the log. When
>> NVDA
>> freezes, it seems that the keyboard freezes. I have been trying to run
>> either JAWS or Narrator, then passing the NVDA+F1 key stroke to get at
>> the
>> existing log, because I’m assuming that NVDA is still running, since I
>> have
>> not found the old log hanging around. I could really use some advise
>> diagnosing this issue, so that I can either add to a GitHub issue some
>> useful information or make a new one.
>>
>> Thanks so much for letting me rant.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>> Jim Homme
>> Product Manager
>> Digital Accessibility
>> Bender Consulting Services
>> 412-787-8567
>> https://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
>> People with disabilities, access job openings at
>> https://www.benderconsult.com/careers/job-openings
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: issue with braille me braille display

Jason White
 

There’s also an option to turn off expansion of the word under the cursor in the NVDA braille settings.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:27 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issue with braille me braille display

 

HI,

One issue with NvDA is when it expands the word at the cursor to computer braille. This is great when editing with cursor router buttons, but is a problem because of the six dot braille me braille display. It cannot show the dot7 of capital letters. Because braille me is six dot only display. My suggestion to fix this is:

Add an option in NVDA or in the braille me addon, which makes capital letters blink up and down. Then you know what letters are capitals using the six dot only braille me display. The other issue is inability to input braille into screen readers like NVDA with braille me.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


braille me and NVDA cursor

Josh Kennedy
 

 

Also with NVDA, the only way braille me shows a cursor is if I tell it to use a full cell or all 8 dots for the cursor. Then braille me shows the cursor.

 

 

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Mac Donald
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 19:28
To: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: difference in dot heights

 

Josh, just got home will do aome separate emails now and Friday. There is some slight dot height differences within the tolerance ranges, and it may actually improve with usage.

Brian Mac Donald

President

National Braille Press

Boston, MA 02115

www.nbp.org

617-425-2416 (w)

978-815-8630 (m)

remote mobile message

 

From: Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:18:25 PM
To: Brian Mac Donald
Subject: difference in dot heights

 

Hi,

I noticed some dots are slightly lower than others. Is this normal for a display like this? All dots do work as normal but some are slightly higher or lower than others are.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: can no longer save attachments in outlook

Jason White
 

When I last received a rich text message, I was able to use the Save All Attachments command to save them. On my current Outlook, it's Alt+H, a, o, n. That is, Actions -> Other actions -> save all attachments, in the Message tab of the ribbon.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Moore
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can no longer save attachments in outlook

If you are getting rich text messages, there is no easy keyboard way of getting to the attachment.


the standard shift tab from the message body will not work in rich text
messages. note, this is not normally the case unless you are working in
an organization with an exchange server. if you get all your messages
in html, this isn't really a thing as you can shift tab from the body to
get to the attachment.

People here love rich text messages and it is a head ache to get to
attachments.

Brian.


On 06/21/2018 2:02 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

I don't think it'll work either. I'm not sure if it could be an NVDA issue
either or maybe it's outlook itself. All I know is that I shouldn't have to
use object navigation to save an attachment in outlook.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can no longer save attachments in outlook

Not sure that will work. I have noticed that for no good reason some
filenames in most Microsoft mail software get skipped when trying to
actually get to them to either view or save them. it even happens in Outlook
Express.

It would be interesting to find out whether other attachments show up and
save normally.
Not sure if its nvda or the way microsoft make the focus go to the right
place.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher03@outlook.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can no longer save attachments in outlook


Hello Rosemarie,

One way to save an attachment is:
Get into the body of the message,
arrow up to the top of the message,
shift tab once or more times until you reach the attachments field,
type control + a to select all the attachments,
hit control + c to copy all the selected attachments,
then open file explorer and go to the place you want to save the formerly
attached file and hit control + v to paste the file.

Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@outlook.com

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can no longer save attachments in outlook

Hi, everyone,

Yesterday someone from the music list I'm on sent me a song I wanted to
save. I could no longer save it in the usual way by hitting the context key.

I had to use object navigation to save the message and that shouldn't be.
What could be going on with outlook 2013?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie















issue with braille me braille display

Josh Kennedy
 

HI,

One issue with NvDA is when it expands the word at the cursor to computer braille. This is great when editing with cursor router buttons, but is a problem because of the six dot braille me braille display. It cannot show the dot7 of capital letters. Because braille me is six dot only display. My suggestion to fix this is:

Add an option in NVDA or in the braille me addon, which makes capital letters blink up and down. Then you know what letters are capitals using the six dot only braille me display. The other issue is inability to input braille into screen readers like NVDA with braille me.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Problem connecting a Hims Braillesense to NVDA

Jackie
 

Folks, sometimes the connections just get messed up w/these displays.
A reset can often help.

On 6/21/18, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Strangely, I am also experiencing the same issue with Braille Edge. It
was fine until today. I go to NVDA menues, click on setting, choose
Braille, and select HIMS Braille but I get the error message that
braille display could not be loaded. When I disconnect the USB cable
and then reconnect I hear no sound. Obviously there is no connection.
What could be the issue? I tried the same with JAWS and I get the same
error message.

On 6/21/18, P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> wrote:
that's rather strange, because i've the same braille display.
here it works just fine.
are you sure, there is no problem with the cable or connectors or with
the
display itself?
i'll search for a tool, to test if all is working correctly.
and when you plug in the display on the computer, is there a sound as
usual?
if not, there is realy something wrong.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 19:43 schreef Michel Such:

Well, driver removed, machine restarted, and it still does not work.


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 19:01, P. Otter a écrit :

ok, and don't forget to remove the driver before!!!
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 15:09 schreef Daniel Hawkins:

hmm, I too have a Braille Sense U2, I installed a driver to get it to
work via usb, but I have not used it in a while. I should check it out
once I reinstall NVDA on my computer.
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com



On Jun 21, 2018, at 4:46 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> wrote:

hello, yes it is, very strange.
per haps for other screenreaders but not with nvda.
put the usb connector into the computer and choose inside the menu of
nvda for the hims that's the driver for all of the hims displays like
smart beetle, or braillesense or what ever.
i know, there are also braille displays they need an installed driver
before or when you use a bluetooth connection.
but not with hims if connected with usb.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 10:46 schreef Michel Such:

Strange, the usr's manual says that a driver is required...


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 10:29, P. Otter a écrit :

hi, i think, that's the problem he has installed a driver for the
braille sense.
there is no need to install any driver.
he has to go inside the menu of nvda there choose braille and there
for the hims.
that's all!
he has nothing else to do.
i have the same braillesense and it works fine with the newest
nvda.
so let he remove the installed driver and restart the computer and
retry to connect the display

 as discribed above.
cheers
paul otter

Op 21-6-2018 om 10:03 schreef Michel Such:

Hi,


A user telles me that, with the latest NVDA Version, He cn't
connect
his Braillesense terminal.

He installed the appropriate driver but the terminal is not
recognized.

Has anyone got tnis problem and is there a fix I could suggest
him?





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