Date   
Re: Updated the wiki

 

It looks like anyone can edit the wiki if they have a github account. Yeah, I don't fork it or anything I just edit it directly. I do, however, plan on making a seperate page talking about how accessible the portable apps suite is, and the accessible portable software out there. I use portableapps to try software without bogging down my registry which is nice! Does anybody know if you can create a child page underneath that one? Yeah, the more people editing it, the better, in my opinion, so if you have a git hub account, brush up on your markdown and edit it directly.

Re: braille me display not quite ready

Buddy Brannan
 

Hey Josh,

Besides NBP, you should send this info to Innovision directly:
Innovision <customercare@...>

I’ve also pointed out the loud beep. It is very loud. Sorry they haven’t addressed that. So…the uppercase only is a problem inside files? I was alerted that filenames must be all uppercase, but hadn’t had any files to check that I felt like renaming. 


On Jun 22, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi,
I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues? 
  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great. 
Josh
 
 
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Re: Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Gene
 

I should have signed my last message as Gene, Moderator so here is that signature.
 
Gene Moderator

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.

Re: Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Gene
 

I'm sorry, but this is not a list for soliciting for personal or other donations not directly related to NVDA or perhaps for products related to NVDA in some direct way.  As far as I know, there is no rule about this in the list rules but this would be a standard assumption on any list that doesn't specifically say it allows such solicitations. 
 
There are other places to solicit money, such as Go Fund Me. 
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.

Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Muklesur Rahman
 

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.

Re: Problem connecting a Hims Braillesense to NVDA

 

Jackie, I did both soft and hard reset, but did not work, not until I
restarted the computer. You are right, though, that most often a
reset would work.
Nevzat

On 6/21/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Folks, sometimes the connections just get messed up w/these displays.
A reset can often help.

On 6/21/18, Nevzat Adil <@Nev> wrote:
Strangely, I am also experiencing the same issue with Braille Edge. It
was fine until today. I go to NVDA menues, click on setting, choose
Braille, and select HIMS Braille but I get the error message that
braille display could not be loaded. When I disconnect the USB cable
and then reconnect I hear no sound. Obviously there is no connection.
What could be the issue? I tried the same with JAWS and I get the same
error message.

On 6/21/18, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
that's rather strange, because i've the same braille display.
here it works just fine.
are you sure, there is no problem with the cable or connectors or with
the
display itself?
i'll search for a tool, to test if all is working correctly.
and when you plug in the display on the computer, is there a sound as
usual?
if not, there is realy something wrong.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 19:43 schreef Michel Such:

Well, driver removed, machine restarted, and it still does not work.


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 19:01, P. Otter a écrit :

ok, and don't forget to remove the driver before!!!
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 15:09 schreef Daniel Hawkins:

hmm, I too have a Braille Sense U2, I installed a driver to get it to
work via usb, but I have not used it in a while. I should check it
out
once I reinstall NVDA on my computer.
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@...



On Jun 21, 2018, at 4:46 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

hello, yes it is, very strange.
per haps for other screenreaders but not with nvda.
put the usb connector into the computer and choose inside the menu
of
nvda for the hims that's the driver for all of the hims displays
like
smart beetle, or braillesense or what ever.
i know, there are also braille displays they need an installed
driver
before or when you use a bluetooth connection.
but not with hims if connected with usb.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 10:46 schreef Michel Such:

Strange, the usr's manual says that a driver is required...


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 10:29, P. Otter a écrit :

hi, i think, that's the problem he has installed a driver for the
braille sense.
there is no need to install any driver.
he has to go inside the menu of nvda there choose braille and
there
for the hims.
that's all!
he has nothing else to do.
i have the same braillesense and it works fine with the newest
nvda.
so let he remove the installed driver and restart the computer and
retry to connect the display

 as discribed above.
cheers
paul otter

Op 21-6-2018 om 10:03 schreef Michel Such:

Hi,


A user telles me that, with the latest NVDA Version, He cn't
connect
his Braillesense terminal.

He installed the appropriate driver but the terminal is not
recognized.

Has anyone got tnis problem and is there a fix I could suggest
him?





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Re: Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I maybe incorrect but I thought I had read a post that said FireFox On start-up checks if a screen reader is present and enables some functionality.  Quite what happens to that functionality when the screen reader is effectively re-started by the update process I don’t know but from your observations it would appear to get broken.  It may not be an issue at all, just a circumstance which requires Firefox to be started after the screen reader is loaded.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

 

Hello.

 

I don't know if this topic has been already discussed here or if  there's a related issue already created on GitHub, so my apologies if this is a duplicate.

When I update NVDA with Firefox opened, and the updated copy launches, I cannot navigate normally by web pages. With arrow keys I cannot access certain content, but if I press tab I hear all the content there should be in the page. the problem disappeared by restarting Firefox (closing and opening again).

I'm sending this to give anyone who has had this problem the solution and to ask you if this should be escalated to a issue on gitHub. I ask this because it is a problem, but the solution is easy and I don't know the useful for developers ot knowing this.

 

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Re: Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?

John J. Boyer
 

Why doesn't speech have to be tethered to review?

Thankks,
John

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 09:45:11AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Because there is no updating content on the static screen after a command is
implemented and has ended. Its just a dos screen except of course its
emulated dos.


The active element is the cursor , not the rest of the screen so the only
way to read the rest one supposes is to kind of move your viewing hole
around the screen.
That was my understanding but I do not use Braille displays, but the spoken
output is the same. IE as its refreshing you hear the output but though
review it you need to use other forms of navigation.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor
for cmd or any ssh program?


If I don't get an answer I will have to assume that nobody knows.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

 

Hmmm, well if you find out what is doing  what you can probably report it, by the time you find out a manual check will probably yeald an update, I had a similar issue with my win10 workstation a little while ago after a feature update.

All things were updated, the automatics said nothing at all.

I updated, the system did not start.

I plugged it in and it did start but with a display problem.

I reloaded the display drivers the last one I had and it worked.

I then did a check for the drivers in the usual automated way and there were updates but I thought I'd check manually.

And found a lot were never detected, in fact just about everything from the bios to the firmware was not updated, no wander I was having issues.

I wouldn't trust my updater fully ever again.

Sometimes updaters can give updates for the wrong hardware to intel did that for a while but has fixed itself.

On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,


A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of
accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system. This was happening ever
since Windows updated to the latest spring update.


I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily
freezes I was seeing had gone away. Well I am very glad to announce that the
accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon. It
looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where
windows thought it needed to show me those tools.


Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of
those helped.


When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know
which ones cause these behaviors again. I have checked and all of my plug-ins
do appear to be up to date.


Dan Beaver

Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Iván Novegil
 

Hello.


I don't know if this topic has been already discussed here or if  there's a related issue already created on GitHub, so my apologies if this is a duplicate.

When I update NVDA with Firefox opened, and the updated copy launches, I cannot navigate normally by web pages. With arrow keys I cannot access certain content, but if I press tab I hear all the content there should be in the page. the problem disappeared by restarting Firefox (closing and opening again).

I'm sending this to give anyone who has had this problem the solution and to ask you if this should be escalated to a issue on gitHub. I ask this because it is a problem, but the solution is easy and I don't know the useful for developers ot knowing this.


Thanks. Regards.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system.  This was happening ever since Windows updated to the latest spring update.


I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily freezes I was seeing had gone away.  Well I am very glad to announce that the accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon.  It looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where windows thought it needed to show me those tools.


Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of those helped.


When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know which ones cause these behaviors again.  I have checked and all of my plug-ins do appear to be up to date.


Dan Beaver

braille me display not quite ready

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues?

  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great.

Josh

 

 

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Re: Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Because there is no updating content on the static screen after a command is implemented and has ended. Its just a dos screen except of course its emulated dos.


The active element is the cursor , not the rest of the screen so the only way to read the rest one supposes is to kind of move your viewing hole around the screen.
That was my understanding but I do not use Braille displays, but the spoken output is the same. IE as its refreshing you hear the output but though review it you need to use other forms of navigation.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?


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Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?

John J. Boyer
 

If I don't get an answer I will have to assume that nobody knows.

John

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Re: nvda installation problem

Chris
 

Try restarting windows then see if you can delete them then

 

From: Don
Sent: 22 June 2018 06:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

 

I found NVDA files left after the uninstall in the program files (x86)

folder. There are 21 files. I tried removing the directory manually,

removing the files with a global delete and one by one. In all cases I got

the same message saying that the process could not be completed because a

file is in use.

 

I have never used safe mode. Can a screen reader, JAWS 2018, read the screen

in safe mode?

 

How do I get in to safe mode? Is that the right next step?

 

Don

 

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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:35 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

 

In the latest nvda system, the lib folders are renamed and new files are

written to new copies, then the old files deleted. If any of this fails then

this error can occur. I noticed it with another piece of software about a

week ago. A complete clear out fixed it.

 

 

However great care went into the fail safe nature for nvda in this regard,

but it might well be a very old  version of nvda if then updated to a very

new one might throw up errors we have not experienced.

Brian

 

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

 

 

You said that it was uninstalled.  That doesn't mean all files were removed.

 

The next question, which has been discussed here before but which I didn't

try to remember the answer to, is what files are left when uninstalling.  It

 

appears from the cannot overwrite a file message, that at least one file is

in use.  I don't know why but such questions may help you solve the proboem.

 

Perhaps something wasn't fully uninstalled that should have been and Windows

 

is keeping a file in use, perhaps because a registry entry is still present

that tells it to.  In short, I suspect that completely removing the program

may require dealing with such questions or, perhaps, going into safe mode

and removing the extra files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Don

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 4:57 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

 

 

I see no indication in the list of apps and programs on the computer that

NVDAis present. If it were running on the log in screen how would I remove

it?

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso

Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:08 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda installation problem

 

Are you sure you don't have a copy of NVDA that is running on the logon

screen?

 

Il 21/06/2018 10:58, Don ha scritto:

> I have a new windows 10 laptop computer. I am trying to install the

> 2018.1 program. When I run the install application I get the message

> that NVDA was unable to overwrite, or remove a file. Another copy of

> NVDA may be running. I have no copy running. I did have someone else

> try to help me install NVDA before and they couldn't make it work so

> they uninstalled the previous copy they tried to install.

> I am currently running JAWS 2018. What do I need to do to get the

> installer to complete the installation of NVDA 2018.1 on my laptop?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Dolphin has had two different ways. One is a script and the other is a kind of dialogue driven selection for the software until it reads.
The main problems is that map and other forms of script seem to have the ability to clash.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend


Aww. That was because for the longest time, jfw had scripting. The former Window-Eyes had a great scripting model but it wasn't introduced until the former Window-Eyes 7 which came out in 2008, but by that time jfw had got the scripts and was at the top. I'm not sure what year Dolphin has had it. SA hasn't had a scripting feature partly because it is a product for home use, specificly targeted at seniors.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they
recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in
house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or
whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we
can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone
if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the
scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter
if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or
opensource well maybe.




On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.









Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

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Yes well I'm still waiting for a reply from Dropbox on their new inaccessible interfaces and dialogues. many seem to just shove such things to the bottom of the pile and hope you go away.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend


Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or opensource well maybe.




On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.









Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

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Sounds like the UK then, the thing is that it seems hit and miss whether your request for jaws with custom scripts gets funded by the government or employer. Usual red tape takes so long that you lose the job by the time its got sorted.

Catch 22 as usual.

No job contract, no jaws, no jaws no job.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend


Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work. However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA. Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.








Re: Lots Of NVDA Freezes

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Did the sound drivers get updated by windows?
I wonder if it is some driver issue. I think the first thing I'd try is to roll back both the windows and nvda versions, the update nvda with the old windows and see if the problem persists. At least then you can see if its one or the other.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Homme" <jhomme@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 7:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Lots Of NVDA Freezes


Hi,
As far as I can figure out, I’m having so many freezes with NVDA since Windows 10 was updated, NVDA went to 2018.2.1, or both, that I can’t reliably use NVDA. As far as I can tell, NVEA is not crashing, because I am looking for the old log file by using Windows+R, then typing temp and looking for it in that folder. I have debug turned on for the log. When NVDA freezes, it seems that the keyboard freezes. I have been trying to run either JAWS or Narrator, then passing the NVDA+F1 key stroke to get at the existing log, because I’m assuming that NVDA is still running, since I have not found the old log hanging around. I could really use some advise diagnosing this issue, so that I can either add to a GitHub issue some useful information or make a new one.

Thanks so much for letting me rant.

Jim



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Re: Scripting custom made software for a friend

Quentin Christensen
 

Just to reiterate what Shaun has said, there is no problem with someone charging to create NVDA add-ons, and / or making add-ons which are commercial and which someone sells.  The only thing we would ask is that anyone doing that ensure it is clear they are charging for their service and work, and not NVDA itself, and that they are representing themselves or their company, not NV Access officially.

Of course, we are very encouraging of the open-source community and the fantastic add-ons which are made freely available by our wonderful community, but we recognise that often employers require work to be prioritised and to the requirements they set, and are willing to pay for that, so a commercial arrangement is the best way forward there.

Also, in some places, government schemes and subsidies are available for such work.  For instance, in Australia, the government have a "Workplace modifications" scheme, which will pay for any modifications to an employees standard work environment, to enable it to be accessible to someone with a disability - whether that be a height adjustable desk, extra lighting, add-on development for NVDA to work with an in-house program etc.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well maybe its changed now but about 10 years back or so, they recognised jaws only and nothing else.

nvda is just about everywhere but still.

The big issue about making scripts for software x is that it could be in house and someone would have to have access to whatever top secret or whatever software it is to fix it.

Now what happens if there are only custom controls for everything we can't access.

In theory nvda's guide, the fact it uses python etc means that someone if they know what they are doing inside the company could write the scripts for their program.

Technically if they never released them online then it wouldn't matter if they did that or not.

I don't know what we could do about comercial programs free or opensource well maybe.





On 6/22/2018 4:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello Shaun. They don't do that here in Canada. Maybe some government
agencies might be required to use JAWS in Canada, but Shaw does not. I work
at a training centre for the blind, and we don't have a contract for JAWS
and we don't have exclusive agreements with FS so we could use NVDA as well
as JAWS in our centre. There is an 80 percent unemployment rate in Canada.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scripting custom made software for a friend

Hmmm.

I am not sure, any customisable things require jaws, its always been
this way.

I am surprised the place she works for doesn't just say you need jaws
thats what all the places I worked with did.

On a technical point in theory it should be good, but someone would need
to do inhouse stuff and well.

Saying that, if someone knew python and the addon writing stuff that was
in the company then they could do it, this is not jaws where everything
needs to be scripted for jaws.

We use publically released tools, languages, etc with our stuff its not
difficult if you know how.

At any rate, if you used just the nvda controler it couldn't be that
hard to expose controls.

Custom controls will always be a problem.

And to be honest, nvda's strong point is the newer web based
applications or basic windows controls.

I still have supernova/jaws for a few things with non standard controls
that need the extra power.

But some of those things can't see without scripts web based
applications in a fluent type of manner.

I am using thunderbird which is in fact a web based though locally
installed app,.




On 6/22/2018 3:31 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello list. I have a friend who works at Shaw, and she is using NVDA as
her
screen reader at work.  However, she has ran into a software that they are
using that needs to be scripted, and she is asking if anybody out there
can
script NVDA.  Has NV Access ever delbt with agencies that need custom
scripting solutions, and if so, how can we go about getting this custom
made
software scriptable with NVDA? Because I have listened to the NVDA
Keynote,
and Michael from NV Access has mentioned that Babbage uses and supports
NVDA
as their primary tool and he'd like to be able to expand it so that it has
local support in each country, including Canada. Thanks, Sky.



















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