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Re: Microsoft Access Databases

Ervin, Glenn
 

Excel is better than Access for accessibility.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Homme
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Access Databases

 

Travis,

I have total influence over the process. What would you suggest?

 

Jim

 



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:42:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Access Databases

 

It's probably not your decision, and I don't know how much influence you have over the process, but just for general reference, if this database is going to be used by multiple people simultaneously, Microsoft Access is *not* the program to be used for this, since it doesn't do well with such usage.  Of course, if it's just something that will be posted for others to grab a copy when needed, then that doesn't apply, and the use is just fine, but just be aware of that before trying to build a whole subdepartment on such a system, it won't go well.

 

 

On 6/20/2018 12:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Jim,

           There are reams of material out there about designing virtually any type of Microsoft Office document/database/spreadsheet in a way that is maximally accessible to screen reader users.  Start poring through the results from:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=MS+Access+accessibility+%22screen+readers%22

Some other results come up if you omit "screen readers" as part of the search, but many of them don't apply.

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Re: braille me display not quite ready

Buddy Brannan
 

Hi,

Yes, the hardware is all right. I had some concerns about it when I got my preproduction unit (battery rattling around loosely, easily fixed), but I understand they’ve fixed some of that stuff, and you get a carrying case now…I haven’t got that yet, I hope to be getting a replacement unit with the hardware issues and firmware updates addressed. Hopefully Josh can comment on the case. 

One other thing to note: charging is not via USB. In fact, there is no USB charging at all. Charging is via a dedicated charging socket using some sort of laptop power supply, 19 volts at a couple amps…I forget exactly. Anyway, charging is fast, being done in an hour, which should make up for any sort of inconvenience introduced by not being a USB charger. 

On Jun 22, 2018, at 10:27 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

I've read this a few times and I am seeing issues that could largely be fixed or customized in the firmware.

Do I interpret correctly that the hardware itself is well built and allowing for personal preference, generally comfortable to use?

Thanks,

Erik

On June 22, 2018 9:45:44 AM "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@...> wrote:

Hey Josh,

Besides NBP, you should send this info to Innovision directly:
Innovision <customercare@...>

I’ve also pointed out the loud beep. It is very loud. Sorry they haven’t addressed that. So…the uppercase only is a problem inside files? I was alerted that filenames must be all uppercase, but hadn’t had any files to check that I felt like renaming. 


On Jun 22, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi,
I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues? 
  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great. 
Josh
 
 
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Re: Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,

 

I believe this is a long standing known issue and is true in some other Assitive Technologies that Firefox content is not recognized if the AT was started after the content was rendered.

 

In some cases a refresh of the page has resolved issues like this, but Firefox has gone through a major change in accessibility access since I first looked at these issues.

 

I wonder, does hitting the control-alt-N command restart NVDA when Firefox is running and if so, does this also cause a lost of NVDA navigation within the current Firefox page?

 

Thanks,

 

Jonathan

 


Re: problems

Ervin, Glenn
 

I don't change synths on my computer, only when I install it on other people's computers.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problems

I guess a lot of us have been using the new scheme for a long time running from the beta versions and for most people from feedback the new scheme is actually easier to manage. its far more like other software than it was in fact.
Of course you cannot please all of the people all of the time as they say, but this change has been requested for some years to my knowledge. If you could tell us why you think its worse than opening and closing windows every time you need to move between synth and voice I'm sure others might be able to help.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems


I noticed this menu problem too yesterday.
I wanted to slow down the voice for a new user and could not find it
anywhere in the menus.
I had to set it to default settings, and that was really not slow enough for
her.
I hope it goes back to the way it was.

Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dr. J. michael
jones
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 3:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems

I am greatful for any help with these items.
I have a new computer running Windows 8.1 and have downloaded NDVA several
times and the Windows sapi5 voyce will not showup. I also can not seem to
find it in my windows.
I have also downloaded 2 of the free voices from the NDVA site and properly
used the manage apps to install them and they will not appear in the list of
synthesizers, as a matter of fact the ESpeak does not appear either.

Finally the menus have completely changed from just a week ago, because I
had downloaded NDVA for another person and the menus completely different?
Any thoughts? Thanks so much


Re: braille me display not quite ready

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I've read this a few times and I am seeing issues that could largely be fixed or customized in the firmware.

Do I interpret correctly that the hardware itself is well built and allowing for personal preference, generally comfortable to use?

Thanks,

Erik

On June 22, 2018 9:45:44 AM "Buddy Brannan" <buddy@...> wrote:

Hey Josh,

Besides NBP, you should send this info to Innovision directly:
Innovision <customercare@...>

I’ve also pointed out the loud beep. It is very loud. Sorry they haven’t addressed that. So…the uppercase only is a problem inside files? I was alerted that filenames must be all uppercase, but hadn’t had any files to check that I felt like renaming. 


On Jun 22, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi,
I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues? 
  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great. 
Josh
 
 
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Re: problems

Ervin, Glenn
 

I never used the shortcuts, I just went through the menus.
Glenn

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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problems

You can still jump to the sheet with the shortcuts just as before.
Brian

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Those do not exist anymore it’s preferences and then settings
On Jun 21, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Gene
<gsasner@ripco.com<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

Are you in the synthesizer dialog, control NVDA key s, or the voice
dialog, control NVDA key v.

First, you move to SAPI 5 in the synthesizer dialog, then activate the ok
button. Then, open the voice dialog and find the voice you want in the
list and activate the ok button.

I don't know what you have done but you may be looking in the wrong
places.

I don't use the new version of NVDA but the latest version, and perhaps
the one before, I don't know, uses a different interface for some
settings. I'll let those who use it discuss it further.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] problems

I am greatful for any help with these items.
I have a new computer running Windows 8.1 and have downloaded NDVA several
times and the Windows sapi5 voyce will not showup. I also can not seem to
find it in my windows.
I have also downloaded 2 of the free voices from the NDVA site and
properly used the manage apps to install them and they will not appear in
the list of synthesizers, as a matter of fact the ESpeak does not appear
either.

Finally the menus have completely changed from just a week ago, because I
had downloaded NDVA for another person and the menus completely different?
Any thoughts? Thanks so much





Re: Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Chris
 

I really don’t think this is a issue

Its just common sense to save your work and close all open programs prior to an update,  whether its nvda or not 😃

You never know what could go wrong

 

 

 


Re: Updated the wiki

 

It looks like anyone can edit the wiki if they have a github account. Yeah, I don't fork it or anything I just edit it directly. I do, however, plan on making a seperate page talking about how accessible the portable apps suite is, and the accessible portable software out there. I use portableapps to try software without bogging down my registry which is nice! Does anybody know if you can create a child page underneath that one? Yeah, the more people editing it, the better, in my opinion, so if you have a git hub account, brush up on your markdown and edit it directly.


Re: braille me display not quite ready

Buddy Brannan
 

Hey Josh,

Besides NBP, you should send this info to Innovision directly:
Innovision <customercare@...>

I’ve also pointed out the loud beep. It is very loud. Sorry they haven’t addressed that. So…the uppercase only is a problem inside files? I was alerted that filenames must be all uppercase, but hadn’t had any files to check that I felt like renaming. 


On Jun 22, 2018, at 7:42 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi,
I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues? 
  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great. 
Josh
 
 
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Re: Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Gene
 

I should have signed my last message as Gene, Moderator so here is that signature.
 
Gene Moderator

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.


Re: Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Gene
 

I'm sorry, but this is not a list for soliciting for personal or other donations not directly related to NVDA or perhaps for products related to NVDA in some direct way.  As far as I know, there is no rule about this in the list rules but this would be a standard assumption on any list that doesn't specifically say it allows such solicitations. 
 
There are other places to solicit money, such as Go Fund Me. 
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.


Donation needed to start my business #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelease

Muklesur Rahman
 

hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.


Re: Problem connecting a Hims Braillesense to NVDA

 

Jackie, I did both soft and hard reset, but did not work, not until I
restarted the computer. You are right, though, that most often a
reset would work.
Nevzat

On 6/21/18, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Folks, sometimes the connections just get messed up w/these displays.
A reset can often help.

On 6/21/18, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Strangely, I am also experiencing the same issue with Braille Edge. It
was fine until today. I go to NVDA menues, click on setting, choose
Braille, and select HIMS Braille but I get the error message that
braille display could not be loaded. When I disconnect the USB cable
and then reconnect I hear no sound. Obviously there is no connection.
What could be the issue? I tried the same with JAWS and I get the same
error message.

On 6/21/18, P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> wrote:
that's rather strange, because i've the same braille display.
here it works just fine.
are you sure, there is no problem with the cable or connectors or with
the
display itself?
i'll search for a tool, to test if all is working correctly.
and when you plug in the display on the computer, is there a sound as
usual?
if not, there is realy something wrong.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 19:43 schreef Michel Such:

Well, driver removed, machine restarted, and it still does not work.


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 19:01, P. Otter a écrit :

ok, and don't forget to remove the driver before!!!
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 15:09 schreef Daniel Hawkins:

hmm, I too have a Braille Sense U2, I installed a driver to get it to
work via usb, but I have not used it in a while. I should check it
out
once I reinstall NVDA on my computer.
Daniel Hawkins
computersassociated@gmail.com



On Jun 21, 2018, at 4:46 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@gmail.com> wrote:

hello, yes it is, very strange.
per haps for other screenreaders but not with nvda.
put the usb connector into the computer and choose inside the menu
of
nvda for the hims that's the driver for all of the hims displays
like
smart beetle, or braillesense or what ever.
i know, there are also braille displays they need an installed
driver
before or when you use a bluetooth connection.
but not with hims if connected with usb.
cheers
paul otter


Op 21-6-2018 om 10:46 schreef Michel Such:

Strange, the usr's manual says that a driver is required...


Michel Such

Le 21/06/2018 à 10:29, P. Otter a écrit :

hi, i think, that's the problem he has installed a driver for the
braille sense.
there is no need to install any driver.
he has to go inside the menu of nvda there choose braille and
there
for the hims.
that's all!
he has nothing else to do.
i have the same braillesense and it works fine with the newest
nvda.
so let he remove the installed driver and restart the computer and
retry to connect the display

 as discribed above.
cheers
paul otter

Op 21-6-2018 om 10:03 schreef Michel Such:

Hi,


A user telles me that, with the latest NVDA Version, He cn't
connect
his Braillesense terminal.

He installed the appropriate driver but the terminal is not
recognized.

Has anyone got tnis problem and is there a fix I could suggest
him?





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Re: Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I maybe incorrect but I thought I had read a post that said FireFox On start-up checks if a screen reader is present and enables some functionality.  Quite what happens to that functionality when the screen reader is effectively re-started by the update process I don’t know but from your observations it would appear to get broken.  It may not be an issue at all, just a circumstance which requires Firefox to be started after the screen reader is loaded.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Iván Novegil via Groups.Io
Sent: 22 June 2018 13:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

 

Hello.

 

I don't know if this topic has been already discussed here or if  there's a related issue already created on GitHub, so my apologies if this is a duplicate.

When I update NVDA with Firefox opened, and the updated copy launches, I cannot navigate normally by web pages. With arrow keys I cannot access certain content, but if I press tab I hear all the content there should be in the page. the problem disappeared by restarting Firefox (closing and opening again).

I'm sending this to give anyone who has had this problem the solution and to ask you if this should be escalated to a issue on gitHub. I ask this because it is a problem, but the solution is easy and I don't know the useful for developers ot knowing this.

 

Thanks. Regards.

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Re: Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?

John J. Boyer
 

Why doesn't speech have to be tethered to review?

Thankks,
John

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 09:45:11AM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Because there is no updating content on the static screen after a command is
implemented and has ended. Its just a dos screen except of course its
emulated dos.


The active element is the cursor , not the rest of the screen so the only
way to read the rest one supposes is to kind of move your viewing hole
around the screen.
That was my understanding but I do not use Braille displays, but the spoken
output is the same. IE as its refreshing you hear the output but though
review it you need to use other forms of navigation.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 8:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor
for cmd or any ssh program?


If I don't get an answer I will have to assume that nobody knows.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

 

Hmmm, well if you find out what is doing  what you can probably report it, by the time you find out a manual check will probably yeald an update, I had a similar issue with my win10 workstation a little while ago after a feature update.

All things were updated, the automatics said nothing at all.

I updated, the system did not start.

I plugged it in and it did start but with a display problem.

I reloaded the display drivers the last one I had and it worked.

I then did a check for the drivers in the usual automated way and there were updates but I thought I'd check manually.

And found a lot were never detected, in fact just about everything from the bios to the firmware was not updated, no wander I was having issues.

I wouldn't trust my updater fully ever again.

Sometimes updaters can give updates for the wrong hardware to intel did that for a while but has fixed itself.

On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,


A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of
accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system. This was happening ever
since Windows updated to the latest spring update.


I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily
freezes I was seeing had gone away. Well I am very glad to announce that the
accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon. It
looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where
windows thought it needed to show me those tools.


Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of
those helped.


When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know
which ones cause these behaviors again. I have checked and all of my plug-ins
do appear to be up to date.


Dan Beaver


Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

Iván Novegil
 

Hello.


I don't know if this topic has been already discussed here or if  there's a related issue already created on GitHub, so my apologies if this is a duplicate.

When I update NVDA with Firefox opened, and the updated copy launches, I cannot navigate normally by web pages. With arrow keys I cannot access certain content, but if I press tab I hear all the content there should be in the page. the problem disappeared by restarting Firefox (closing and opening again).

I'm sending this to give anyone who has had this problem the solution and to ask you if this should be escalated to a issue on gitHub. I ask this because it is a problem, but the solution is easy and I don't know the useful for developers ot knowing this.


Thanks. Regards.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system.  This was happening ever since Windows updated to the latest spring update.


I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily freezes I was seeing had gone away.  Well I am very glad to announce that the accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon.  It looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where windows thought it needed to show me those tools.


Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of those helped.


When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know which ones cause these behaviors again.  I have checked and all of my plug-ins do appear to be up to date.


Dan Beaver


braille me display not quite ready

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

Hi,

I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues?

  1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
  2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great.

Josh

 

 

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Re: Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Because there is no updating content on the static screen after a command is implemented and has ended. Its just a dos screen except of course its emulated dos.


The active element is the cursor , not the rest of the screen so the only way to read the rest one supposes is to kind of move your viewing hole around the screen.
That was my understanding but I do not use Braille displays, but the spoken output is the same. IE as its refreshing you hear the output but though review it you need to use other forms of navigation.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Why does Braille have to be tethered to the review cursor for cmd or any ssh program?


If I don't get an answer I will have to assume that nobody knows.

John

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