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Re: braille me display not quite ready

Buddy Brannan
 

Hi Erik,

Good points, all. 

My preproduction unit, awaiting delivery for replacement at NBP, had just one stuck dot, a dot 4 on sell 15, or something like that. That dot would come up if you tilted the unit upside down, so there was clearly a small mechanical fault. I’m confident that the hardware will be fine, and firmware will follow on as well, especially with backing from NBP and others. While Orbit makes very nice braille, the delays in unit availability are discouraging. And my Orbit has, I think, developed a couple stuck dots, so need to work that out with APH before too long. 

Regardless, to have two low-cost braille options is phenomenal. If you had told me 10 years ago this would happen,’I’d have been hopeful but frankly skeptical. Besides the issues you mention below, I think it’s important to remember what these devices are, and also what they are not. They’re low-cost ways to get braille into more hands, at minimal cost, and with basic though useful functionality. Extras are just gravy. Or icing on the cake, but not gravy on the cake, because that would be gross. 

On Jun 23, 2018, at 11:39 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@...> wrote:

Hello, I enjoyed reading your comments, and I agree with a lot of what you had to say. However, I disagree with your assertion that Braille me is quote not ready quote. based on your comments, the only potential showstopper that I see is the fact that some of the dots do not go all the way down below the faceplate. I would be interested to know how many Braille me units you tested, and whether this issue appears on any other units. if anybody else has tested a braille me, I hope you will chime in and let me know. if you were saying that batteries and charging devices were catching fire, ports were collapsing, or the device was particularly susceptible to damage by dropping, then I would say maybe we need to go back to the drawing board here. However, most of the issues are software and firmware related. Many of these things can be tweaked in the context of the current device.

It's a great rundown of potential bugs, and  feature suggestions. However, I seriously doubt that all users need access to all of the features you specified.  Not all users need access to 25 different languages for example. many languages will not be considered for addition, until the countries that predominantly use those languages consider adopting Braille me. language switching on the Fly is also something that can and should get better over time.

support for entering text and using modifier Keys is important to me, but may or may not be important to somebody else.

It seems to me that you got really excited about a great new device, and created some unnecessarily and perhaps unreasonably high expectations for what it could do, especially in a first release. I don't know how well the Braille me stacks up to the orbit in all of the areas you specified for example. However, the orbit is 2 years behind production, and almost no one can get their hands on it. to me, that indicates that something about the orbit or its processes is quoteaccess technology world. We know they will put out great Hardware with Hokie software, and then make software improvements catch-as-catch-can. But we know those improvements will come.by comparison, I recently did a customer training on a braille sense Polaris for work. the only fully functioning app in the Braille sense Polaris right now as far as I'm concerned is the word processor. However, even the word processor is limited for example, it is not currently possible to print from the word processor without installing a third party app. the rest of the office apps that come with Polaris sweet are read-only apps, which basically convert spreadsheets and slideshows into HTML format with no formatting, and allow a user to read the information. the Wi-Fi utility that comes with the sweet does not support connecting to WPA2 Enterprise networks, and such corporate networks need to be connected through Android stock Wi-Fi utility, which in the Polaris, has some minor accessibility issues. Browsing websites with the on-suite browser app is extremely barebones. it does not currently support navigating by headings, tables, lists, and other HTML attributes. the Polaris supports installing third-party synthesizers, however, third-party synthesizers can only be activated and used in the stock Android outside of the proprietary application sweet. so, as much as I like the hardware in the Braille sense Polaris, when I think of the functionality I get from my HTC phone connected to a braille Edge, versus what I get from the firmware in the Polaris, I cannot help being extremely disappointed, especially considering the difference in price. Does that mean the Braille sense Polaris is not ready? Well, in my mind, yes I think it does. However, the customer I trained absolutely loved it. despite the high price and the extreme limitations, it does everything she wanted it to do, and it does so very well. Should GW micro have waited until they had a fully functioning set of onsweet apps before releasing the Polaris? Yes, in my opinion they should. However, we have a happy customer now, and the product is generating income for the company, which can hopefully be used to justify further feature improvements down the road.

Hims is a known quantity.  We know they consistantly put out great hardware with hokie software and make substantial improvements over time.  Innovision is an unknown.  We don't know what to expect, although they have been very responsive to me personally despite the fact that I haven't been able to go forward.  I completely understand your disappointment, but I suggest patience as this is a first release of a new product and is not going to have everything all at once.  I believe innovision is able to fulfill orders at this point, which is more than the cometition can say.  Others on list are reporting that early hardware issues are being addressed, and generally I have not heard evidence that the company acted in bad faith other than one third hand complaint from some one high up in a blindness organisation with a vested interest in a direct competeter product.

So all in all, I think based on what you wrote, the assertion of not ready gives an entirely false impression while your document conveys worth while information. 

Best,

Erik

On June 23, 2018 9:20:17 AM "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

here are all the reasons why braille me is not ready. note, this is also a google doc that i shared with innovision themselves. 
Note: if blind, turn on all or total punctuation in your screen reader in order to read this document. 
1. the five braille problem characters and capitalized letters or uppercase letters.
a. Currently for showing dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6, braille me expects to see @ ^ [ ] \ ... But many translators use ` ~ { } |  ... Braille me should also recognise these characters... 
b. Braille me if it sees `~{}| it just shows empty cells or spaces. 
c. Braille me shows empty cells for lowercase letters. Braille me should recognise lowercase letters because many translators use these, such as Braille Blaster.
D. When searching for text if for example, you want to find the word Tower. Braille me should, to be sure it finds what you want, it should look for: ,t[]  ,T[]  ,t{}    and ,T{} … 
2. suppress or remove all white space. 
a. extra carriage returns, blank pages in braille ready or embosser ready files, and multiple blank spaces take up space on 20 cell displays. Add menu options that when turned on will suppress extra space. 
3. page navigation.
a. Braille me should have page movement commands. Move by page should be defined as: move back or forward 1000 (one thousand) characters or until a formfeed character is encountered.
4. custom Bookmarks.
a. Add ability to add, clear, and jump to your own custom bookmarks in files.
5. Add ability to write in computer braille or raw text or .txt. There is no dot 7 so to compensate for this, make all uppercase computer braille letters blink up and down. blink time should be configurable. 
a. NVDA when using expand to computer braille should also have capital letters blink up and down.
6. NVDA.
a. blinking capital letters.
b. ability to write in braille into the computer.
c. ability to control computer with braille display keyboard, commands for function keys, alt, control, and so on. 
7. display emulation.
a. to work with jaws and other screen readers and devices, add option to emulate a Baum vario ultra 20 display, or baum displays. this should work with both USB and bluetooth, and be HID compliant.
8. adding languages.
a. add ability and documentation for adding languages. example, I want braille me's interface to be in German, or Icelandic braille. and I want to read braille and write in German or Icelandic braille in the editor. Or in Chinese and Japanese braille if I wish.
9. turn off all beeps and audio tones and audio indications.
a. the beeps are very loud and will be distracting in class, business and church environments. Add a menu option to turn these off. All beeps and audio tones emitted by braille me should have the ability to be completely turned off. Whether braille me is being turned on, shut down, errors occur. if braille me restarts or has a big error... no beeps should be heard. Braille me should be completely silent when beeps are off. 
10. better documentation for editing date and time. I had to play with braille me and teach myself how to edit date and time. explain to the user, first use cursor router buttons to place the cursor on the first number, use navigation buttons to set the first number. use cursor router buttons to move to the next number and edit it until time and date are set the way you wish and then press enter or dot8. 
11. When braille me turns on it displays “menu”, 
And then you have to press “enter” before navigating. To save time, as soon as Braille Me turns on, let us navigate right away. Also add first letter navigation, f, for file manager, s for settings and all menu options that start with s. To edit time easier, let us enter time and date using the braille keyboard such as: “#20:30  using dropped numbers and dots 1-5-6 for colon… In other words, computer braille. 
12. Ability to create, rename, and delete folders.
1. Ability to cut, copy and paste files into and out of user-created folders.
13. Inconsistent dot height.
1. Many dots are higher and lower than other dots. Additionally, some dots are at a slight angle in relation to other dots. Also when blank cells are created such as for spaces, or the absence of dots in order to create letters, example: If I write the letter m, dots 1-3-4… dots 2, 5, 6 stick out above the faceplate perhaps by one or two millimeters. This makes reading difficult. Please if you have to re-design braille me to make this change, but make it so that if dots are not needed such as in the letter m, dots 1-3-4, where dots 2-5-6 are not needed, same goes for spaces, that they are completely below the faceplate so that unused dots are not even felt or touched by the user.




Re: Windows 10 autoplay notification

Brian Crabtree
 

Chris, your suggestion of extending the time for which notifications show is the solution. I can then focus the pop-up with Windows Logo key plus V.

Thanks very much.


Re: Dealing With Windows On Top

Brian Crabtree
 

I wonder if this is the same problem that I was asking about and that the OP is referring to pop-up windows which are notifications.

If so, the solution suggested, which worked for me, was to extend the time for which pop-up notifications are shown, so you have the time to reach them using the Windows Logo key plus V.

To extend the time for which a pop-up shows, use Windows Logo key plus U to open the Ease of Access Centre, then tab down to "Show notifications for" then Alt plus down arrow to open the drop-down, arrow to (say) the "30 seconds" option and press Enter to accept it.


Re: braille me display not quite ready

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hello, I enjoyed reading your comments, and I agree with a lot of what you had to say. However, I disagree with your assertion that Braille me is quote not ready quote. based on your comments, the only potential showstopper that I see is the fact that some of the dots do not go all the way down below the faceplate. I would be interested to know how many Braille me units you tested, and whether this issue appears on any other units. if anybody else has tested a braille me, I hope you will chime in and let me know. if you were saying that batteries and charging devices were catching fire, ports were collapsing, or the device was particularly susceptible to damage by dropping, then I would say maybe we need to go back to the drawing board here. However, most of the issues are software and firmware related. Many of these things can be tweaked in the context of the current device.

It's a great rundown of potential bugs, and  feature suggestions. However, I seriously doubt that all users need access to all of the features you specified.  Not all users need access to 25 different languages for example. many languages will not be considered for addition, until the countries that predominantly use those languages consider adopting Braille me. language switching on the Fly is also something that can and should get better over time.

support for entering text and using modifier Keys is important to me, but may or may not be important to somebody else.

It seems to me that you got really excited about a great new device, and created some unnecessarily and perhaps unreasonably high expectations for what it could do, especially in a first release. I don't know how well the Braille me stacks up to the orbit in all of the areas you specified for example. However, the orbit is 2 years behind production, and almost no one can get their hands on it. to me, that indicates that something about the orbit or its processes is quoteaccess technology world. We know they will put out great Hardware with Hokie software, and then make software improvements catch-as-catch-can. But we know those improvements will come.by comparison, I recently did a customer training on a braille sense Polaris for work. the only fully functioning app in the Braille sense Polaris right now as far as I'm concerned is the word processor. However, even the word processor is limited for example, it is not currently possible to print from the word processor without installing a third party app. the rest of the office apps that come with Polaris sweet are read-only apps, which basically convert spreadsheets and slideshows into HTML format with no formatting, and allow a user to read the information. the Wi-Fi utility that comes with the sweet does not support connecting to WPA2 Enterprise networks, and such corporate networks need to be connected through Android stock Wi-Fi utility, which in the Polaris, has some minor accessibility issues. Browsing websites with the on-suite browser app is extremely barebones. it does not currently support navigating by headings, tables, lists, and other HTML attributes. the Polaris supports installing third-party synthesizers, however, third-party synthesizers can only be activated and used in the stock Android outside of the proprietary application sweet. so, as much as I like the hardware in the Braille sense Polaris, when I think of the functionality I get from my HTC phone connected to a braille Edge, versus what I get from the firmware in the Polaris, I cannot help being extremely disappointed, especially considering the difference in price. Does that mean the Braille sense Polaris is not ready? Well, in my mind, yes I think it does. However, the customer I trained absolutely loved it. despite the high price and the extreme limitations, it does everything she wanted it to do, and it does so very well. Should GW micro have waited until they had a fully functioning set of onsweet apps before releasing the Polaris? Yes, in my opinion they should. However, we have a happy customer now, and the product is generating income for the company, which can hopefully be used to justify further feature improvements down the road.

Hims is a known quantity.  We know they consistantly put out great hardware with hokie software and make substantial improvements over time.  Innovision is an unknown.  We don't know what to expect, although they have been very responsive to me personally despite the fact that I haven't been able to go forward.  I completely understand your disappointment, but I suggest patience as this is a first release of a new product and is not going to have everything all at once.  I believe innovision is able to fulfill orders at this point, which is more than the cometition can say.  Others on list are reporting that early hardware issues are being addressed, and generally I have not heard evidence that the company acted in bad faith other than one third hand complaint from some one high up in a blindness organisation with a vested interest in a direct competeter product.

So all in all, I think based on what you wrote, the assertion of not ready gives an entirely false impression while your document conveys worth while information. 

Best,

Erik

On June 23, 2018 9:20:17 AM "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

here are all the reasons why braille me is not ready. note, this is also a google doc that i shared with innovision themselves. 
Note: if blind, turn on all or total punctuation in your screen reader in order to read this document. 
1. the five braille problem characters and capitalized letters or uppercase letters.
a. Currently for showing dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6, braille me expects to see @ ^ [ ] \ ... But many translators use ` ~ { } |  ... Braille me should also recognise these characters... 
b. Braille me if it sees `~{}| it just shows empty cells or spaces. 
c. Braille me shows empty cells for lowercase letters. Braille me should recognise lowercase letters because many translators use these, such as Braille Blaster.
D. When searching for text if for example, you want to find the word Tower. Braille me should, to be sure it finds what you want, it should look for: ,t[]  ,T[]  ,t{}    and ,T{} … 
2. suppress or remove all white space. 
a. extra carriage returns, blank pages in braille ready or embosser ready files, and multiple blank spaces take up space on 20 cell displays. Add menu options that when turned on will suppress extra space. 
3. page navigation.
a. Braille me should have page movement commands. Move by page should be defined as: move back or forward 1000 (one thousand) characters or until a formfeed character is encountered.
4. custom Bookmarks.
a. Add ability to add, clear, and jump to your own custom bookmarks in files.
5. Add ability to write in computer braille or raw text or .txt. There is no dot 7 so to compensate for this, make all uppercase computer braille letters blink up and down. blink time should be configurable. 
a. NVDA when using expand to computer braille should also have capital letters blink up and down.
6. NVDA.
a. blinking capital letters.
b. ability to write in braille into the computer.
c. ability to control computer with braille display keyboard, commands for function keys, alt, control, and so on. 
7. display emulation.
a. to work with jaws and other screen readers and devices, add option to emulate a Baum vario ultra 20 display, or baum displays. this should work with both USB and bluetooth, and be HID compliant.
8. adding languages.
a. add ability and documentation for adding languages. example, I want braille me's interface to be in German, or Icelandic braille. and I want to read braille and write in German or Icelandic braille in the editor. Or in Chinese and Japanese braille if I wish.
9. turn off all beeps and audio tones and audio indications.
a. the beeps are very loud and will be distracting in class, business and church environments. Add a menu option to turn these off. All beeps and audio tones emitted by braille me should have the ability to be completely turned off. Whether braille me is being turned on, shut down, errors occur. if braille me restarts or has a big error... no beeps should be heard. Braille me should be completely silent when beeps are off. 
10. better documentation for editing date and time. I had to play with braille me and teach myself how to edit date and time. explain to the user, first use cursor router buttons to place the cursor on the first number, use navigation buttons to set the first number. use cursor router buttons to move to the next number and edit it until time and date are set the way you wish and then press enter or dot8. 
11. When braille me turns on it displays “menu”, 
And then you have to press “enter” before navigating. To save time, as soon as Braille Me turns on, let us navigate right away. Also add first letter navigation, f, for file manager, s for settings and all menu options that start with s. To edit time easier, let us enter time and date using the braille keyboard such as: “#20:30  using dropped numbers and dots 1-5-6 for colon… In other words, computer braille. 
12. Ability to create, rename, and delete folders.
1. Ability to cut, copy and paste files into and out of user-created folders.
13. Inconsistent dot height.
1. Many dots are higher and lower than other dots. Additionally, some dots are at a slight angle in relation to other dots. Also when blank cells are created such as for spaces, or the absence of dots in order to create letters, example: If I write the letter m, dots 1-3-4… dots 2, 5, 6 stick out above the faceplate perhaps by one or two millimeters. This makes reading difficult. Please if you have to re-design braille me to make this change, but make it so that if dots are not needed such as in the letter m, dots 1-3-4, where dots 2-5-6 are not needed, same goes for spaces, that they are completely below the faceplate so that unused dots are not even felt or touched by the user.



Re: puran Utilities help needed please

Brian's Mail list account
 

But one presumes from the forgoing that one can script it to run things on certain conditions. If its like Ccleaner only the paid for version allows such things for that.
Brian

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Brian, it is similar to CCleaner.

At 04:38 AM 6/23/2018, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io, wrote:
I don't know this program, what is it?
Brian

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Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want? I'm
wanting one that will automatically delete browser history when it closes.
Thanks for the help.









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Re: braille me display not quite ready

Fernando Apan
 

Hi. Thanks a lot for sharing this note. It will be very useful for those of us thinking on geting a braille me display...
Cheers.

Fernando Apan.

El 23/06/2018 a las 08:19 a.m., Josh Kennedy escribió:

here are all the reasons why braille me is not ready. note, this is also a google doc that i shared with innovision themselves. 
Note: if blind, turn on all or total punctuation in your screen reader in order to read this document. 
1. the five braille problem characters and capitalized letters or uppercase letters.
a. Currently for showing dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6, braille me expects to see @ ^ [ ] \ ... But many translators use ` ~ { } |  ... Braille me should also recognise these characters... 
b. Braille me if it sees `~{}| it just shows empty cells or spaces. 
c. Braille me shows empty cells for lowercase letters. Braille me should recognise lowercase letters because many translators use these, such as Braille Blaster.
D. When searching for text if for example, you want to find the word Tower. Braille me should, to be sure it finds what you want, it should look for: ,t[]  ,T[]  ,t{}    and ,T{} … 
2. suppress or remove all white space. 
a. extra carriage returns, blank pages in braille ready or embosser ready files, and multiple blank spaces take up space on 20 cell displays. Add menu options that when turned on will suppress extra space. 
3. page navigation.
a. Braille me should have page movement commands. Move by page should be defined as: move back or forward 1000 (one thousand) characters or until a formfeed character is encountered.
4. custom Bookmarks.
a. Add ability to add, clear, and jump to your own custom bookmarks in files.
5. Add ability to write in computer braille or raw text or .txt. There is no dot 7 so to compensate for this, make all uppercase computer braille letters blink up and down. blink time should be configurable. 
a. NVDA when using expand to computer braille should also have capital letters blink up and down.
6. NVDA.
a. blinking capital letters.
b. ability to write in braille into the computer.
c. ability to control computer with braille display keyboard, commands for function keys, alt, control, and so on. 
7. display emulation.
a. to work with jaws and other screen readers and devices, add option to emulate a Baum vario ultra 20 display, or baum displays. this should work with both USB and bluetooth, and be HID compliant.
8. adding languages.
a. add ability and documentation for adding languages. example, I want braille me's interface to be in German, or Icelandic braille. and I want to read braille and write in German or Icelandic braille in the editor. Or in Chinese and Japanese braille if I wish.
9. turn off all beeps and audio tones and audio indications.
a. the beeps are very loud and will be distracting in class, business and church environments. Add a menu option to turn these off. All beeps and audio tones emitted by braille me should have the ability to be completely turned off. Whether braille me is being turned on, shut down, errors occur. if braille me restarts or has a big error... no beeps should be heard. Braille me should be completely silent when beeps are off. 
10. better documentation for editing date and time. I had to play with braille me and teach myself how to edit date and time. explain to the user, first use cursor router buttons to place the cursor on the first number, use navigation buttons to set the first number. use cursor router buttons to move to the next number and edit it until time and date are set the way you wish and then press enter or dot8. 
11. When braille me turns on it displays “menu”, 
And then you have to press “enter” before navigating. To save time, as soon as Braille Me turns on, let us navigate right away. Also add first letter navigation, f, for file manager, s for settings and all menu options that start with s. To edit time easier, let us enter time and date using the braille keyboard such as: “#20:30  using dropped numbers and dots 1-5-6 for colon… In other words, computer braille. 
12. Ability to create, rename, and delete folders.
1. Ability to cut, copy and paste files into and out of user-created folders.
13. Inconsistent dot height.
1. Many dots are higher and lower than other dots. Additionally, some dots are at a slight angle in relation to other dots. Also when blank cells are created such as for spaces, or the absence of dots in order to create letters, example: If I write the letter m, dots 1-3-4… dots 2, 5, 6 stick out above the faceplate perhaps by one or two millimeters. This makes reading difficult. Please if you have to re-design braille me to make this change, but make it so that if dots are not needed such as in the letter m, dots 1-3-4, where dots 2-5-6 are not needed, same goes for spaces, that they are completely below the faceplate so that unused dots are not even felt or touched by the user.




Re: Updated the wiki

 

When logged into git hub, the edit button is above the page title. I hope this helps!


Re: braille me display not quite ready

Josh Kennedy
 

here are all the reasons why braille me is not ready. note, this is also a google doc that i shared with innovision themselves. 
Note: if blind, turn on all or total punctuation in your screen reader in order to read this document. 
1. the five braille problem characters and capitalized letters or uppercase letters.
a. Currently for showing dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6, braille me expects to see @ ^ [ ] \ ... But many translators use ` ~ { } |  ... Braille me should also recognise these characters... 
b. Braille me if it sees `~{}| it just shows empty cells or spaces. 
c. Braille me shows empty cells for lowercase letters. Braille me should recognise lowercase letters because many translators use these, such as Braille Blaster.
D. When searching for text if for example, you want to find the word Tower. Braille me should, to be sure it finds what you want, it should look for: ,t[]  ,T[]  ,t{}    and ,T{} … 
2. suppress or remove all white space. 
a. extra carriage returns, blank pages in braille ready or embosser ready files, and multiple blank spaces take up space on 20 cell displays. Add menu options that when turned on will suppress extra space. 
3. page navigation.
a. Braille me should have page movement commands. Move by page should be defined as: move back or forward 1000 (one thousand) characters or until a formfeed character is encountered.
4. custom Bookmarks.
a. Add ability to add, clear, and jump to your own custom bookmarks in files.
5. Add ability to write in computer braille or raw text or .txt. There is no dot 7 so to compensate for this, make all uppercase computer braille letters blink up and down. blink time should be configurable. 
a. NVDA when using expand to computer braille should also have capital letters blink up and down.
6. NVDA.
a. blinking capital letters.
b. ability to write in braille into the computer.
c. ability to control computer with braille display keyboard, commands for function keys, alt, control, and so on. 
7. display emulation.
a. to work with jaws and other screen readers and devices, add option to emulate a Baum vario ultra 20 display, or baum displays. this should work with both USB and bluetooth, and be HID compliant.
8. adding languages.
a. add ability and documentation for adding languages. example, I want braille me's interface to be in German, or Icelandic braille. and I want to read braille and write in German or Icelandic braille in the editor. Or in Chinese and Japanese braille if I wish.
9. turn off all beeps and audio tones and audio indications.
a. the beeps are very loud and will be distracting in class, business and church environments. Add a menu option to turn these off. All beeps and audio tones emitted by braille me should have the ability to be completely turned off. Whether braille me is being turned on, shut down, errors occur. if braille me restarts or has a big error... no beeps should be heard. Braille me should be completely silent when beeps are off. 
10. better documentation for editing date and time. I had to play with braille me and teach myself how to edit date and time. explain to the user, first use cursor router buttons to place the cursor on the first number, use navigation buttons to set the first number. use cursor router buttons to move to the next number and edit it until time and date are set the way you wish and then press enter or dot8. 
11. When braille me turns on it displays “menu”, 
And then you have to press “enter” before navigating. To save time, as soon as Braille Me turns on, let us navigate right away. Also add first letter navigation, f, for file manager, s for settings and all menu options that start with s. To edit time easier, let us enter time and date using the braille keyboard such as: “#20:30  using dropped numbers and dots 1-5-6 for colon… In other words, computer braille. 
12. Ability to create, rename, and delete folders.
1. Ability to cut, copy and paste files into and out of user-created folders.
13. Inconsistent dot height.
1. Many dots are higher and lower than other dots. Additionally, some dots are at a slight angle in relation to other dots. Also when blank cells are created such as for spaces, or the absence of dots in order to create letters, example: If I write the letter m, dots 1-3-4… dots 2, 5, 6 stick out above the faceplate perhaps by one or two millimeters. This makes reading difficult. Please if you have to re-design braille me to make this change, but make it so that if dots are not needed such as in the letter m, dots 1-3-4, where dots 2-5-6 are not needed, same goes for spaces, that they are completely below the faceplate so that unused dots are not even felt or touched by the user.



Re: puran Utilities help needed please

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Any help would be appreciated on how to have history automatically run and
delete the stuff. I can't find how to create a set file or where to get
already created set files.

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Brian, it is similar to CCleaner.

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I don't know this program, what is it?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
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Subject: [nvda] puran Utilities help needed please


Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want?
I'm wanting one that will automatically delete browser history when it
closes.
Thanks for the help.









John


Re: puran Utilities help needed please

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Brian, it is similar to CCleaner.

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Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want? I'm
wanting one that will automatically delete browser history when it closes.
Thanks for the help.









John


Re: puran Utilities help needed please

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It has a bunch of different programs in it. It says you can create set
files that will allow things to happen. I can't find how to do that.

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I don't know this program, what is it?
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Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want? I'm
wanting one that will automatically delete browser history when it
closes.
Thanks for the help.











Re: puran Utilities help needed please

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Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want? I'm
wanting one that will automatically delete browser history when it closes.
Thanks for the help.










Re: firefox not among browser apps listed in settings/default apps

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I seem to recall that in the newer versions of Firefox, if you run it you can set it as default in the options, but since windows 10 changes so often, who knows if it actually will still work.
You normally find a section for setting default programs has a OTHER option and you can then browse to the item you want to point it to.
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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox not among browser apps listed in settings/default apps


The only way to do this would be go into the registry and delete the registry entries for Firefox. I could be wrong.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 5:48 PM
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Subject: [nvda] firefox not among browser apps listed in settings/default apps



Hi all. I have Google Chrome, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge and Mozilla Firefox in the list of web browsers installed on my desktop pc. Yet when I go to settings to set my default browser, Firefox isn't listed among the browsers installed as listed above. How can I change this? I am running windows 10. Cheers!


Re: Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addontesting #addonrelease

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I would also suggest that those of us of a cynical nature might suspect his to be spam phishing or just a scam.
If its genuine doing it this way will only make most people very suspicious.
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese


I'm sorry, but this is not a list for soliciting for personal or other donations not directly related to NVDA or perhaps for products related to NVDA in some direct way. As far as I know, there is no rule about this in the list rules but this would be a standard assumption on any list that doesn't specifically say it allows such solicitations.

There are other places to solicit money, such as Go Fund Me.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Donation needed to start my business #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelesae #addonrelese #addontesting #addonrelese


hello, I am a visually impaired from Bangladesh. I completed my post graduation degree 7 years ago. But still I did not get any job. So, my life is full of frustration. My family is very poor. That's why they are not able to provide me financial support. Just for few days I have taken a shop. But for having no financial capability, I am not able to start my business. So, I need your financial support. If you are able to donate me some money, I could lead my life comfortably. To donate me, you can follow my bank account as follow.
Md. Muklesur Rahman
Account no: 11010132924.
Dutch Bangla Bank Limited, Dhanmondi Branch, Bangladesh.


Re: Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running

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Yes this is a known problem with Firefox. It apparently cannot use the new hooking or something along the lines till its restarted when a new screenreader takes over. I've noticed this on a copy of Supernova as well, so I think it has to be Firefox.
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Subject: [nvda] Problem when updating NVDA with Firefox running


Hello.


I don't know if this topic has been already discussed here or if there's
a related issue already created on GitHub, so my apologies if this is a
duplicate.

When I update NVDA with Firefox opened, and the updated copy launches, I
cannot navigate normally by web pages. With arrow keys I cannot access
certain content, but if I press tab I hear all the content there should
be in the page. the problem disappeared by restarting Firefox (closing
and opening again).

I'm sending this to give anyone who has had this problem the solution
and to ask you if this should be escalated to a issue on gitHub. I ask
this because it is a problem, but the solution is easy and I don't know
the useful for developers ot knowing this.


Thanks. Regards.

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Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

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Yes even on windows 7, about three months ago there was an update from Intel, though I never actually knew what it did, I had to re hide it in the tray.
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon


Hmmm, well if you find out what is doing what you can probably report it, by the time you find out a manual check will probably yeald an update, I had a similar issue with my win10 workstation a little while ago after a feature update.

All things were updated, the automatics said nothing at all.

I updated, the system did not start.

I plugged it in and it did start but with a display problem.

I reloaded the display drivers the last one I had and it worked.

I then did a check for the drivers in the usual automated way and there were updates but I thought I'd check manually.

And found a lot were never detected, in fact just about everything from the bios to the firmware was not updated, no wander I was having issues.

I wouldn't trust my updater fully ever again.

Sometimes updaters can give updates for the wrong hardware to intel did that for a while but has fixed itself.




On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,


A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of
accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system. This was happening ever
since Windows updated to the latest spring update.


I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily
freezes I was seeing had gone away. Well I am very glad to announce that the
accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon. It
looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where
windows thought it needed to show me those tools.


Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of
those helped.


When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know
which ones cause these behaviors again. I have checked and all of my plug-ins
do appear to be up to date.


Dan Beaver



Re: Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon

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Do you have a list?
I'm thinking focus highlight golden cursor might have some impact. I'm not entirely sure though as I thought that screen was instigated before the main loading of nvda.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 accessibility tools list at logon


Hi,




A while back I reported that Windows had started showing me a list of accessibility tools every time I logged onto my system. This was happening ever since Windows updated to the latest spring update.




I also reported that I turned off all my plug-ins and that the multiple daily freezes I was seeing had gone away. Well I am very glad to announce that the accessibility tool list popup has now also stopped showing up at logon. It looks like perhaps something in one of them was causing a condition where windows thought it needed to show me those tools.




Yes, I did try the suggestions folks posted to stop this behavior but none of those helped.




When I get the time to start turning my plug-ins on again I'll let you all know which ones cause these behaviors again. I have checked and all of my plug-ins do appear to be up to date.




Dan Beaver



Re: braille me display not quite ready

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Blimey. Sounds a bit half finished to me.
So what is so special about it, el cheapo, one assumes?
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Subject: [nvda] braille me display not quite ready


Hi,
I also sent this to national braille press in the hope there will be a firmware fix real soon… Here is a quick review of braille me. I really like it. Sort of. My issues?
1. BrailleMe emits a loud smoke-alarm type beep when turning on, shutting off, system errors, and battery low. It’s loud and will be a big distraction in class, church, business meetings, and so on. They have to add an option to turn off all beeps and tones emitted by braille me.
2. The five problem characters. Dot 4, dots 4-5, dots 2-4-6, dots 1-2-4-5-6, and dots 1-2-5-6. And uppercase and lowercase letters. Braille me reads uppercase letters-only as it stands now. If it sees lowercase letters in its brl or brf files, it ignores them. Braille me expects uppercase. It also expects and read this carefully with your arrow keys. For the five dot combinations listed above, it currently expects to see: @^[]\ … again read with your arrows or turn on all punctuation in the screen reader of your choice because I wrote at sign and caret and some other symbols used to drive braille devices. Braille me expects those. But if it sees, `~{}| … again use all punctuation… and if it sees lowercase rather than uppercase letters it just shows empty cells. This is a problem. Also, lack of word wrap, no compress whitespace and multiple linefeeds to make reading on displays easier, move by page either when hitting a formfeed character or move back and forth by 1000 characters or a braille page, that has to be added as well. Along with ability to add and delete your own custom bookmarks to make studying easier. When using with NVDA, and expand word at the cursor to computer braille is checked, it cannot show capital letters due to only a six dot cell. It cannot show dot7. I propose having capital letters in computer braille, i.e. letters with dot7 or any dot7 combinations to blink up and down. Also no ability to input any kind of braille into the computer. This should be added. Other than that. It’s fine. Other than that I am quite impressed with it! Cursor routing works great.
Josh


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Re: Updated the wiki

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi Robert and all,

some time ago I tried to update nvda's translation status while logged in but I didn't find an edit buton or something like that. Did I mis something?

Thanks

Bernd

Am 22.06.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Robert Kingett:

It looks like anyone can edit the wiki if they have a github account. Yeah, I don't fork it or anything I just edit it directly. I do, however, plan on making a seperate page talking about how accessible the portable apps suite is, and the accessible portable software out there. I use portableapps to try software without bogging down my registry which is nice! Does anybody know if you can create a child page underneath that one? Yeah, the more people editing it, the better, in my opinion, so if you have a git hub account, brush up on your markdown and edit it directly.



puran Utilities help needed please

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, where do you get the set files to automatically do what you want?  I’m wanting one  that will automatically delete browser history  when it closes.  Thanks for the help.

 

 

 

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