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Re: Quick help with outlook?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I am gonna have to bite the bullet and give this guy an hour of free tech support so it seams.  I saw this rich text format business last week but I need to get on the phone with him to check it.  If there was a simple solution like pressing alt T for to, and alt U for subject I was hoping it would leap out and save me a chunk of time.

Outlook isn't preferred, but thunderbird isn't better.  This user wants email to be exactly the same as the experience he had with outlook express.  With OE classic as hokie as it is, the closest any one has been able to come is outlook.  Outlook isn't terrible as long as it works, but it doesn't.  So it's terrible.  I'll put the work in and make it not terrible for him over the weekend.

Thanks,

Erik

On June 25, 2018 11:10:41 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I thought that it was reported to be a problem when replying to a rich text document.

That would be if the original sender has their Outlook set to use Rich Text format.

Perhaps I’m wrong and that was something else?

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

 

Even so, it strains credulity that the problem is a general one to that version of Outlook.  Since we haven't seen any such questions or complaints before, it is far more likely that the problem is some sort of corruption of something on that machine.

 

I would have a sighted person look at the screen when a message is replied to and see if the sighted person can get to those fields.  It cannot be assumed that this is a screen-reader problem.

 

Is there a reason this person has to use Outlook?  Of course, the person may have to use Word and other office programs for doing things in an institutional or business environment but if the person can use any e-mail program, why use Outlook?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

 

Thanks, but of course that is part of the problem. this particular system
was only upgraded as far as Windows 7, despite my recommendation of
upgrading to Windows 10.

I didn't install the office suite, so can't say what version of Outlook it
even is.

Thanks, Eric


On June 24, 2018 11:23:50 AM ely.r@... wrote:

Erik
I am using Outlook 365, NVDA latest version  and no add on. Here Outlook
does not come up in browse mode so I am able to use the shift tab right
away. Sometime when I do the shift tab NVDA first speaks the message
position, but at the same time it does move to the Subject line and read the
contents. Guessing this is of no help what so ever, but wanted to let you
know with this configuration, by the way latest version of Windows 10, that
what you are expecting to happen for your client is working here.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

Hi all, I need to help some one using outlook and I don't have access to it.
When he does a reply, it puts him into brows mode.  So, he can type a reply,
but he can't reach the to and subject lines.  I had him do insert space to
turn browse mode off, but he was still unable to reach other fields using
shift tab.

Does any one know if those fields have  alt key nemonics, or some other nvda
accessible way to reach them?

Thanks,

Erik













Re: accessibility training is important too.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't have a light probe or a color identifer.

On 6/25/2018 9:10 AM, brian wrote:
    Even if you have a light probe it will only beep if there are lights on but it won't tell you what color they are and thats what they always ask you. Maybe you couldscann the modem with a color identifier after you scanned it with a light probe but I don't know how well that would work.

Brian Sackrider


On 6/24/2018 11:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Ah yes--the lights. the lights. Ive gotten asked about the lights on the
modem too. Just goes to show thesepeople are clueless to what's going on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

Oh, the lights. Always the lights. Every time I talk to the ISP, it's always
the first thing they ask: "Are all the lights on on the modem? Is it
blinking?" It's gotten hilarious by this point. Now whenever a call needs to
be made to the ISP, I ask my girlfriend to do it. The problem with that is:
she hates talking to these people on the phone more than I do, and she can
see!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brian
Sent: June 24, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

      I have incountered this with both Att and Comcast.  They are forigners
who can't speak or undrstand englih well.  I told them that I am blind so I
can't tell you if their are lights on or what color they are. With att's
connect tech they would not even stay on the phone with me.  I told them
that if you don't then you can't ask me anything as I could not read the
chat window.  They even said that after I told them that I was blind that if
I wanted to end the session that I should just click on the red x.  How do
they think that I will  know whear the red x is if I can't see? Why is it so
hard to understand what blind is.  I guess I will have to just spell it out
for them.  I am totally blind that means that I can't see anything not even
light or any shadows. If they can't comprehend that then they have no
business working in tech support.

Brian Sackrider


On 6/24/2018 5:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes indeed. I do find it almost ridiculous that, for example my
internet company have me flagged as blind, and generally help me with
things that they screw up, rather than un screwing them up, if that is
a word, but also continue to put me through to the people who cannot
function without knowing what a light is doing on a router, even
though I'm deep inside the control panel of said router and can read
them any parameter they wish to know about.
There should just be a one line addition to their script. If this
person is blind,  push to level 2 or whatever its called. these people
do exist, but often the person at the start is unaware of what
blindness means or is  just thick. I'm sorry but that is what I feel.
Rocket science it is not.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.


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Re: accessibility training is important too.

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Even if you have a light probe it will only beep if there are lights on but it won't tell you what color they are and thats what they always ask you. Maybe you couldscann the modem with a color identifier after you scanned it with a light probe but I don't know how well that would work.

Brian Sackrider

On 6/24/2018 11:58 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Ah yes--the lights. the lights. Ive gotten asked about the lights on the
modem too. Just goes to show thesepeople are clueless to what's going on.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

Oh, the lights. Always the lights. Every time I talk to the ISP, it's always
the first thing they ask: "Are all the lights on on the modem? Is it
blinking?" It's gotten hilarious by this point. Now whenever a call needs to
be made to the ISP, I ask my girlfriend to do it. The problem with that is:
she hates talking to these people on the phone more than I do, and she can
see!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brian
Sent: June 24, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

    I have incountered this with both Att and Comcast.  They are forigners
who can't speak or undrstand englih well.  I told them that I am blind so I
can't tell you if their are lights on or what color they are.  With att's
connect tech they would not even stay on the phone with me.  I told them
that if you don't then you can't ask me anything as I could not read the
chat window.  They even said that after I told them that I was blind that if
I wanted to end the session that I should just click on the red x.  How do
they think that I will  know whear the red x is if I can't see? Why is it so
hard to understand what blind is.  I guess I will have to just spell it out
for them.  I am totally blind that means that I can't see anything not even
light or any shadows. If they can't comprehend that then they have no
business working in tech support.

Brian Sackrider


On 6/24/2018 5:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes indeed. I do find it almost ridiculous that, for example my
internet company have me flagged as blind, and generally help me with
things that they screw up, rather than un screwing them up, if that is
a word, but also continue to put me through to the people who cannot
function without knowing what a light is doing on a router, even
though I'm deep inside the control panel of said router and can read
them any parameter they wish to know about.
There should just be a one line addition to their script. If this
person is blind,  push to level 2 or whatever its called. these people
do exist, but often the person at the start is unaware of what
blindness means or is  just thick. I'm sorry but that is what I feel.
Rocket science it is not.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.


In this post, I detail an experience talking to Microsoft's
disability answer desk and talk about the importance of using
disability language when interacting with a disabled customer,
especially if you are operating disability support. Feel free to
share widely.

https://medium.com/p/a0d8aead2659?source=user_profile---------2------
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Re: OE classic help

Ervin, Glenn
 

Are you telling me that MS removes OE in Windows 10?
I had a friend on the phone, he mailed his laptop to me, and I installed OE on it for him, and he was using it for maybe five months, when OE disappeared.
I worked with him on the phone and I thought that he had renamed the icon on the desktop, or accidentally deleted it, but I could not find it anywhere with him, I thought it was very strange.
But if MS is automatically removing it, that makes sense.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 4:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE classic help

Yes I would.
I use Outlook express with the patch for the later IE code, but it will not stay installed in windows 10 through a major update since Microsoft in their infinite wisdom do not like you still using it even though Microsofts email in 10 is a cut down lame heap of rubbish.
All said in the best possible taste as Kenny Everett might have said.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE classic help


earlier reports indicated that something is being done on the
accessibility
of this app, but I downloaded it last week myself, and it still atrocious.
it would almost be worth paying something to get this app fixed. I know so
many people who could use it.



On June 24, 2018 8:36:47 AM "Mark" <mark@...> wrote:

Hi downloaded this to test out and using NVDA with windows 10 its not
reading the email until I enter on it then I can read the message
Any help
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Re: Quick help with outlook?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I thought that it was reported to be a problem when replying to a rich text document.

That would be if the original sender has their Outlook set to use Rich Text format.

Perhaps I’m wrong and that was something else?

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

 

Even so, it strains credulity that the problem is a general one to that version of Outlook.  Since we haven't seen any such questions or complaints before, it is far more likely that the problem is some sort of corruption of something on that machine.

 

I would have a sighted person look at the screen when a message is replied to and see if the sighted person can get to those fields.  It cannot be assumed that this is a screen-reader problem.

 

Is there a reason this person has to use Outlook?  Of course, the person may have to use Word and other office programs for doing things in an institutional or business environment but if the person can use any e-mail program, why use Outlook?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

 

Thanks, but of course that is part of the problem. this particular system
was only upgraded as far as Windows 7, despite my recommendation of
upgrading to Windows 10.

I didn't install the office suite, so can't say what version of Outlook it
even is.

Thanks, Eric


On June 24, 2018 11:23:50 AM ely.r@... wrote:

Erik
I am using Outlook 365, NVDA latest version  and no add on. Here Outlook
does not come up in browse mode so I am able to use the shift tab right
away. Sometime when I do the shift tab NVDA first speaks the message
position, but at the same time it does move to the Subject line and read the
contents. Guessing this is of no help what so ever, but wanted to let you
know with this configuration, by the way latest version of Windows 10, that
what you are expecting to happen for your client is working here.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413()  727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

Hi all, I need to help some one using outlook and I don't have access to it.
When he does a reply, it puts him into brows mode.  So, he can type a reply,
but he can't reach the to and subject lines.  I had him do insert space to
turn browse mode off, but he was still unable to reach other fields using
shift tab.

Does any one know if those fields have  alt key nemonics, or some other nvda
accessible way to reach them?

Thanks,

Erik













Re: OT. Transcription jobs?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I went to a doctor with my wife for her condition, and I was not impressed with the doctor tending to the computer dictating his notes while attempting to see to the patient, I felt like his tending to the mistakes made by the software took precedence over my wife’s visit.

Glenn

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT. Transcription jobs?

 

I agree with this. My mother in law was a transcription for over 20 years. Then one day she was laid off due to Doctors now have voice recniztion software very similar to Dragon Speak or Siri, or Google Assistant.

Daniel Hawkins

 

 

 

On Jun 23, 2018, at 11:18 PM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

 

Medical Transcription is being phased out. Doctors are required to have digital records now and most enter the data right then and there or have an assistant that sits in the room and enters it. My friend worked in the field for 15 years and was hoping it would keep going long enough for her to retire. She has already had to pick up another job as hers was phased out and the company went out of business.

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT. Transcription jobs?

No mailing lists that I know of but there are several fields that use Transcriptionists as in medical, legal, etc. There are some requirements to be met before one can call oneself a transcriptionist though. I went to a trade school to learn how to do medical transcription. If you ask me nowadays if it was worth it my answer would have to be no. I came into transcription after most of the available work began to be outsourced to India hence there was very little opportunity available. the school finally placed me with a transcription company in California I live in Florida, and I made less than $3000 in the five years I spen working as a medical transcriptionist. Yes, it was that bad. From my experience I would recommend if that's what you want to do, to seek your own clients locally and realize that they most likely already have a transcriptionist or a service and that you may have to underbid to get any work plus prove yourself better and faster than the competition.
The training is a must as you won't be able to compete without it. One more thing I need to let you know about. Most big transcription companies use specific programs for you to pick up your work and return it and most of these programs are less than accessible from what I've heard. This is another reason to seek your own clients locally. The most successful medical transcriptionist I know either built up their own local clients over a period of time or they were in the business before the outsourcing of work to India began.

Good luck,

Laz

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Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

Triing to find something to do for working from home.

Are there any blind mailing-list for this kind of thing?






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Re: accessibility training is important too.

Ervin, Glenn
 

My cable company & ISP has problems with using captchas that don't work as far as the audio part. I have suggested using a simple math problem in words, like
What is three plus one?
But they haven't changed. One of their pages don't even offer an audio challenge, and like I mentioned, the ones it does offer, don't work, that is, no audio comes, and the download file is a recording of a long phrase, and they said that is from someone attacking the page or something like that.
The workers seem to understand a person using a screenreader, in fact, one told me that they had an employee who uses a screenreader, and they did not realize that captchas would be a problem for her.
All that, and yet they still have not fixed the captcha problem.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.

    I have incountered this with both Att and Comcast.  They are forigners who can't speak or undrstand englih well.  I told them that I am blind so I can't tell you if their are lights on or what color they are.  With att's connect tech they would not even stay on the phone with me.  I told them that if you don't then you can't ask me anything as I could not read the chat window.  They even said that after I told them that I was blind that if I wanted to end the session that I should just click on the red x.  How do they think that I will  know whear the red x is if I can't see? Why is it so hard to understand what blind is.  I guess I will have to just spell it out for them.  I am totally blind that means that I can't see anything not even light or any shadows. If they can't comprehend that then they have no business working in tech support.

Brian Sackrider


On 6/24/2018 5:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes indeed. I do find it almost ridiculous that, for example my
internet company have me flagged as blind, and generally help me with
things that they screw up, rather than un screwing them up, if that is
a word, but also continue to put me through to the people who cannot
function without knowing what a light is doing on a router, even
though I'm deep inside the control panel of said router and can read
them any parameter they wish to know about.
There should just be a one line addition to their script. If this
person is blind,  push to level 2 or whatever its called. these people
do exist, but often the person at the start is unaware of what
blindness means or is  just thick. I'm sorry but that is what I feel.
Rocket science it is not.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett"
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<topdot@...>; <main@TechTalk.groups.io>; <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessibility training is important too.


In this post, I detail an experience talking to Microsoft's
disability answer desk and talk about the importance of using
disability language when interacting with a disabled customer,
especially if you are operating disability support. Feel free to
share widely.

https://medium.com/p/a0d8aead2659?source=user_profile---------2------
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Re: calendar control on this form

Ian Blackburn
 

Not unusual I’ve seen this before
Sometimes developer uses graphic image for calendar
I have used jaws and nvda and even mac os x with the same result
Ian

On 25 Jun 2018, at 10:07 pm, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@...> wrote:

U
T sibyls
Kuje an interesting event though I have to say they are using an inaccessible widget library. In JAWS, the date picker shows up as a javascript code, as do the country pickers.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 1:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] calendar control on this form

Hello listers:

I have been meaning to see if it is just me, concerning the calendar entry on this form. NVDA tells me that this is a read only edit field.


It seems there isn't much I can do to get the date to properly change.
Is it just me? If so, what do I need to do to make the control work as
needed? Here's the link:

https://form.jotform.co/80643190890863


Everything else on the form is easy to work with. Thanks for any help in
advance on this issue.


Re: calendar control on this form

Jonathan COHN
 

U
T sibyls
Kuje an interesting event though I have to say they are using an inaccessible widget library. In JAWS, the date picker shows up as a javascript code, as do the country pickers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 1:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] calendar control on this form

Hello listers:

I have been meaning to see if it is just me, concerning the calendar entry on this form. NVDA tells me that this is a read only edit field.


It seems there isn't much I can do to get the date to properly change.
Is it just me? If so, what do I need to do to make the control work as
needed? Here's the link:

https://form.jotform.co/80643190890863


Everything else on the form is easy to work with. Thanks for any help in
advance on this issue.


Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

Rui Fontes
 

Sorry, but you are not understanding...

1 - To read that type of window, NVDA uses the review cursor;
2 - You can use the review commands in both keyboard layouts. Please, read the manual since I don't use the laptop layout;
3 - If you use a recent version of NVDA, when you use a review command, Braille is automatically thetered wit review cursor , in order to the Braille display can follow the cursor and give you the information;
4 - Voice is also automatically thetered to the review cursor to allow hearing the information.

Any other question, please write to the list, but please, refere the versions of Windows and NVDA...

Rui Fontes



Às 13:28 de 25/06/2018, John J. Boyer escreveu:

I am using the laptop keyboard layout. However, i understand that NVDA requires a physical numpad to use the review
cursor. Nobody seems able to explain why Braille has to be tethered to review to read a command window while speech
does not.
John
On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:17:39AM +0100, Rui Fontes wrote:
Why you do not use the Laptop keyboard layout commands instead of the
Desktop commands with the NumPad?

Rui Fontes


Às 09:57 de 25/06/2018, John J. Boyer escreveu:
Hello,

I am deaf-blind, so i use Braille exclusively. As I understand it, all of these ssh programs display a command window.
This requires tethering Braille to the review cursor. The keys on the numeric keypad can then be used to read the
contents
of the window. I am using a notebook with no numeric keypad. Is there a ssh program that displays a GUI that NVDA knows
how to navigate? I do not want to install Cygwin, because it would take up too much disk space.

Thanks,
John


Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

John J. Boyer
 

I am using the laptop keyboard layout. However, i understand that NVDA requires a physical numpad to use the review
cursor. Nobody seems able to explain why Braille has to be tethered to review to read a command window while speech
does not.

John

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:17:39AM +0100, Rui Fontes wrote:
Why you do not use the Laptop keyboard layout commands instead of the
Desktop commands with the NumPad?

Rui Fontes


Às 09:57 de 25/06/2018, John J. Boyer escreveu:
Hello,

I am deaf-blind, so i use Braille exclusively. As I understand it, all of these ssh programs display a command window.
This requires tethering Braille to the review cursor. The keys on the numeric keypad can then be used to read the
contents
of the window. I am using a notebook with no numeric keypad. Is there a ssh program that displays a GUI that NVDA knows
how to navigate? I do not want to install Cygwin, because it would take up too much disk space.

Thanks,
John

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Re: NVDA and SecureCRT or other ssh clients for Windows

Rui Fontes
 

Why you do not use the Laptop keyboard layout commands instead of the Desktop commands with the NumPad?

Rui Fontes


Às 09:57 de 25/06/2018, John J. Boyer escreveu:

Hello,
I am deaf-blind, so i use Braille exclusively. As I understand it, all of these ssh programs display a command window.
This requires tethering Braille to the review cursor. The keys on the numeric keypad can then be used to read the
contents
of the window. I am using a notebook with no numeric keypad. Is there a ssh program that displays a GUI that NVDA knows
how to navigate? I do not want to install Cygwin, because it would take up too much disk space.
Thanks,
John


For the record. this issue is still with me

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In that when it feels like doing so, any update of a version of nvda will just stop on reboot.

IO - speech.speak (10:58:23.198):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Success dialog Successfully created a portable copy of NVDA at C:\\nvda extra']
IO - speech.speak (10:58:23.207):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'OK button']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3044 (nvda_update_vqj3hr.exe) (10:58:25.549):
Thread 2936, build\x86\remote\ia2Support.cpp, IA2Support_inProcess_terminate, 152:
WaitForMultipleObjects returned 258

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (10:58:26.786):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:58:26.854):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:58:26.891):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy dialog Please wait while a portable copy of NVDA is created.']
IO - speech.speak (10:58:26.895):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Creating Portable Copy']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (10:58:26.983):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (10:58:27.009):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Desktop list']
IO - speech.speak (10:58:27.019):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express email 47 of 64']


as above

It has no bearing on what might be running at the time. indeed the desktop does it too, and its on both master and next. The failure mode is that when the new version tries to reboot it cannot write to the log file due to it not being let go of by the old version and no old log has been created. a small log of this is recorded in the running location of the nvda which was being updated. the updat itself works perfectly, as cancelling the error about the log file, which nvda cannot read as its not running the version can be manually rebooted.
I know i've mentioned this many times before, but I find it very annoying and simply cannot see why its happening to just me and nobody else as there is nothing strange about my windows 7 computers at all.
Brian
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Re: firefox quantum and capcha's

 

Well what I do not understand is that there are other ways to handle capchas.

The logical fill in the blank or the math question capcha, true a bot could do this to but its a random question so hmmm we can read it.

On 6/25/2018 9:21 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Ironically consult a spammer, I have been on lists protected by these only to see spam in them, this we have to assume that security is not any longer assured using them. The sooner the industry wakes up and ditches them, and the audio incomprehensible version the better for all. I have sighted friends who just cannot solve these either.
Shambles and  other such descriptions come to mind. Vote with your key and go to another more attuned site. Sooner or later they will get the message.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox quantum and capcha's


hello all,
now we have firefox 60 but before there was rumola, you have to pay for it, no problem but it is no longer usable in firefox q.
also there was webvisum, but the same trouble!
it no longer works with ff quantum.
is there a solution to solve this problem as far you know?
cheers
paul otter






Re: calendar control on this form

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Other things are that one has missed filling in a mandatory field and it simply won't let you change the field till its fixed. To be honest that is one heck of a form. I would think you might need a long lie down after completing all the parts of it. I did not find any dates to change anywhere but assumed that the dates might well reflect things you had said elsewhere.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] calendar control on this form


I haven't looked at the form yet but whenever I see such a structure, a read only edit field with no apparent way to change information when moving in the form with the keyboard, there is some sort of inaccessible means of changing the information and the read only edit field is what it says it is. It shows the results of the change you make and that's all it does. Someone may figure out a way to work with the inaccessible control or no one may. But that is very likely to be why you are seeing what you are seeing.

Gene
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From: Governor staten
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 12:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] calendar control on this form


Hello listers:

I have been meaning to see if it is just me, concerning the calendar
entry on this form. NVDA tells me that this is a read only edit field.


It seems there isn't much I can do to get the date to properly change.
Is it just me? If so, what do I need to do to make the control work as
needed? Here's the link:

https://form.jotform.co/80643190890863


Everything else on the form is easy to work with. Thanks for any help in
advance on this issue.


Re: Quick help with outlook?

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Well looking at about might solve the last thing. Nothing wrong with 7 at all. I'd not expect this is the issue here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?


Thanks, but of course that is part of the problem. this particular system was only upgraded as far as Windows 7, despite my recommendation of upgrading to Windows 10.

I didn't install the office suite, so can't say what version of Outlook it even is.

Thanks, Eric


On June 24, 2018 11:23:50 AM ely.r@... wrote:

Erik
I am using Outlook 365, NVDA latest version and no add on. Here Outlook
does not come up in browse mode so I am able to use the shift tab right
away. Sometime when I do the shift tab NVDA first speaks the message
position, but at the same time it does move to the Subject line and read the
contents. Guessing this is of no help what so ever, but wanted to let you
know with this configuration, by the way latest version of Windows 10, that
what you are expecting to happen for your client is working here.
Rick

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?

Hi all, I need to help some one using outlook and I don't have access to it.
When he does a reply, it puts him into brows mode. So, he can type a reply,
but he can't reach the to and subject lines. I had him do insert space to
turn browse mode off, but he was still unable to reach other fields using
shift tab.

Does any one know if those fields have alt key nemonics, or some other nvda
accessible way to reach them?

Thanks,

Erik













Re: Quick help with outlook?

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They used to be able to be turned off except for the first time when you start a message, but its been a while and Outlook has changed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 4:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Quick help with outlook?


Hi all, I need to help some one using outlook and I don't have access to it. When he does a reply, it puts him into brows mode. So, he can type a reply, but he can't reach the to and subject lines. I had him do insert space to turn browse mode off, but he was still unable to reach other fields using shift tab.

Does any one know if those fields have alt key nemonics, or some other nvda accessible way to reach them?

Thanks,

Erik




Re: firefox quantum and capcha's

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As with the thread on lack of accessibility. Yes there is always a work around, but as an advocate of justice for all, I still feel that if nobody takes a stand, nothing will change.
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox quantum and capcha's


Actually, just had an idea for those of us with iPhones. We could always use Be My Eyes, and have someone read the captia. Just a thought.

On 6/24/2018 10:24 AM, P. Otter wrote:
hello all,
now we have firefox 60 but before there was rumola, you have to pay for it, no problem but it is no longer usable in firefox q.
also there was webvisum, but the same trouble!
it no longer works with ff quantum.
is there a solution to solve this problem as far you know?
cheers
paul otter






Re: firefox quantum and capcha's

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Its not since obviously the spammers solve them already.
My other work around is to keep a special old browser that the software will run on to use oven such sites then blitz them with moans if you can get in.
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox quantum and capcha's


And if one exists, why do we need to pay for it?
Paying to solve Captias? It just doesn't seem right.

On 6/24/2018 10:24 AM, P. Otter wrote:
hello all,
now we have firefox 60 but before there was rumola, you have to pay for it, no problem but it is no longer usable in firefox q.
also there was webvisum, but the same trouble!
it no longer works with ff quantum.
is there a solution to solve this problem as far you know?
cheers
paul otter






Re: firefox quantum and capcha's

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Ironically consult a spammer, I have been on lists protected by these only to see spam in them, this we have to assume that security is not any longer assured using them. The sooner the industry wakes up and ditches them, and the audio incomprehensible version the better for all. I have sighted friends who just cannot solve these either.
Shambles and other such descriptions come to mind. Vote with your key and go to another more attuned site. Sooner or later they will get the message.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] firefox quantum and capcha's


hello all,
now we have firefox 60 but before there was rumola, you have to pay for it, no problem but it is no longer usable in firefox q.
also there was webvisum, but the same trouble!
it no longer works with ff quantum.
is there a solution to solve this problem as far you know?
cheers
paul otter