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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Devin Prater
 

The latest Insider builds have showed down Windows a lot, even on the desktop, arrowing around is sluggish. This may just be an Insider issue, and I have reported feedback about it.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:19 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Wow, Guys!
I am using a little netbook, an HP Stream, and I only have a 2 Ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram, and I am using Chrome with the latest Windows 10, and Chrome
Flies!
It takes a second to open, and 2 seconds to open a large page!
Maybe you should switch to Chrome.
With Firefox Quantum, It is as slow as a snail on a much more powerful laptop I have!
Just letting you know!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:41 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
32   gigs of ram, 4 ghz graphics card and a6 ghz processer. Windows 10 64 bit and  the latest firefox quantum.
 
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:45 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:
>
> How much memory do you have in your system?  I'm running a 3.7ghz Core i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64.  Othre than a little lag when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox.  One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as Pizzahut.comrequire setting Page Styles to None in order for all links to be recognized by NVDA.  There may be workarounds for this, just not aware of them.  I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.
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> On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
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>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
>>>> Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for Windows 10
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

David Moore
 

Wow, Guys!

I am using a little netbook, an HP Stream, and I only have a 2 Ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram, and I am using Chrome with the latest Windows 10, and Chrome

Flies!

It takes a second to open, and 2 seconds to open a large page!

Maybe you should switch to Chrome.

With Firefox Quantum, It is as slow as a snail on a much more powerful laptop I have!

Just letting you know!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:41 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

 

32   gigs of ram, 4 ghz graphics card and a6 ghz processer. Windows 10 64 bit and  the latest firefox quantum.

 

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:45 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:

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> How much memory do you have in your system?  I'm running a 3.7ghz Core i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64.  Othre than a little lag when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox.  One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as Pizzahut.com require setting Page Styles to None in order for all links to be recognized by NVDA.  There may be workarounds for this, just not aware of them.  I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.

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> On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

>> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

>>>

>>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?

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>>> *Sent:*Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM

>>> *To:*nvda list list

>>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

>>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

>>>

>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

>>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

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Re: Making the virtual cursor and the actual screen content "track" with each other

Kevin Cussick
 

Does focus high light not do this? thanks if not sorry can't help.

On 28/06/2018 04:56, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I don't actually know if this is possible. That would be nice though.

On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@... <mailto:britechguy@...>> wrote:

I have probably asked this before, and I apologize if I have and have forgotten the answer.

Is there a way to have NVDA scroll the actual screen display as it reads through the virtual buffer, such that the virtual cursor and the location on the webpage that a sighted person sees remain at least reasonably "in sync"?

I seem to have recalled trying tethering the PC and virtual cursors and that this did not work.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Sarah k Alawami
 

32 gigs of ram, 4 ghz graphics card and a6 ghz processer. Windows 10 64 bit and the latest firefox quantum.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:45 PM, bob jutzi <jutzi1@...> wrote:

How much memory do you have in your system? I'm running a 3.7ghz Core i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64. Othre than a little lag when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox. One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as Pizzahut.com require setting Page Styles to None in order for all links to be recognized by NVDA. There may be workarounds for this, just not aware of them. I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.

On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I have. And no I do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is snappy on my win 10 64 bit machine.
On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
*Sent:*Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
*To:*nvda list list
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi Bob. I’m running 8 GB of ram here.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:45:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
How much memory do you have in your system?  I'm running a 3.7ghz Core
i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64.  Othre than a little lag
when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox.
  One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as
Pizzahut.com require setting Page Styles to None in order for all links
to be recognized by NVDA.  There may be workarounds for this, just not
aware of them.  I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.

On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah
> firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on
>> an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>> Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
>> Windows 10
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>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
>> <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>> *To:*nvda list list
>> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I
>>> bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better.
>>> May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me
>>> and WF and Edge are good buddies.
>>> Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
>>> Windows 10
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Gene
 

I've seen contradictory reports over time.  Speed seems to vary based on unknown factors, even when the same version of Windows is being used.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
 
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Re: Making the virtual cursor and the actual screen content "track" with each other

Gene
 

It isn't clear to me what the problem Is with the part of the Amazon page you were discussing.  One thing I noticed was for one item, there were links for different battery life.  One or two of the time ranges weren't links.  but is that because they don't apply?  .  I saw the sections you were discussing and I could see the check boxes and check them.  I didn't try to submit a search but I found a submit button.  The page is certainly very complex, but I could get a pretty good feel for the page by reading some of it, after using the skip blocks of links command, I don't remember if I used it once or twice.  After that, I went to the top, and tried moving by headings, with h, and by separator, with s.  At least with Chrome, there were lots of headings and no separators.
I didn't make a really thorough study so I don't kno if I missed anything important but I think I got, by moving in these ways, and reading more where something caught my attention, a reasonably good idea of what was on the page without having to read the entire page.  But I don't know if that responds to what you were discussing.  To a blind person, the column you see as on the left side of the page is simply seen as a lot of links and check boxes with a button here and there.  But that's my point.  If a sighted instructor is telling a blind person how to work with a page, the instructor shouldn't say, the check box is on the right side of the page, because for a blind person it isn't, or the submit or go button is on the left side of the page, because to a blind person it isn't.  The page is displayed as one long downward format with everything under everything else, if you are moving from the top. 
 
A knowledgeable instructor would know that but if friends or unknowledgeable people were helping, they might get a better idea of how to help if they could see the page as a blind person encounters it. 
 
A blind person with enough knowledge and experience will expect unknowledgeable sighted people to give orientation information that is interesting but worthless, such as this or that is on the right side of the page.  The person will use the find command or some other quick navigation command or commands.  but for those, sighted and blind, who are not knowledgeable, being able to see the page as a blind person does might be of real benefit.
 
A good instructor would show the person how to move on pages using such commands as h for heading, b for button, and try to show the person when skimming a page will suffice and when reading some or a lot of it is either necessary or a good idea. In the case of this page, much more complex than usual, but an interesting case, I don't know if I would have looked far enough to see the ways to define the search you spoke of.  Since I knew they were there from your description, I can't say how I would have looked at the page if I hadn't known about them.. 
 
I'm not sure what problemns you are having working witht check boxes you discussed.  I tried checking one with the space bar.  the page reloaded and showed results with the restriction imposed when the check box is checked.  If the page is supposed to allow you to check multiple check boxes without reloding until you check multiple ones, then you do something to make the page reload, I'm not sure if or how that can be done from the keyboard.  I don't know if that is what you have in mind as a problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making the virtual cursor and the actual screen content "track" with each other

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:13 am, Gene wrote:
Yes, but I'm saying that I don't know how useful it will be unless the screen is shown as a blind person finds it, with whatever is reformated in the buffer displayed as reformatted and not the screen displayed as it appears to the sighted user. 
And that would be useful to be able to pull up as well, were the "tracking" between what the sighted user sees and the screen reader user has access to.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the virtual buffer itself is not visual in nature and, in fact, could be very difficult to search for whatever it is that corresponds to what is shown on certain parts of the screen.  I'll give two pages that can be used as illustrations of what I'm talking about:

                  https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR 

                  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh5vs 

On the Amazon page, there is a column presented visually at the left that has the phrase "Show results for" followed by a long list of links that allow you to further narrow your search after your initial criteria were applied.  After the list of links is a section headed by the phrase "Refine by" followed by a collection of checkboxes, followed by another collection of links, followed by another collection of checkboxes.   I have still not figured out how to force a screen reader, whether JAWS or NVDA, to gain focus on that section of the webpage at all and interact with it.  I've got to try again with NVDA and mouse tracking just to see if I can figure out another plan of attack, but that requires that what's reported to me via the mouse tracking feature somehow correspond to something I can successfully search for with the screen reader search.

Not that the readership here does not already realize this, but accessibility on certain webpages is much more complicated than it is on others.  Since I can see I work at it from what do I see and hear when I interact with specific elements and then, how to I get the screen reader to do the same thing.  Sometimes that's utterly straightforward but in the Amazon product search results presented above it's absolutely not.   The McMaster Carr page is another example of my having a hellish time of figuring out how to access via screen reader what's immediately obvious when looking at the page.

I don't expect anyone to "feel my pain."  At the same time, when I'm working with a client and a screen reader is merrily tooling along reading the screen, announcing elements, etc., which I cannot see and where understanding "the lay of the land" is otherwise important it's frustrating, and it impedes my ability to give accurate instructions about what to do next.

A dear friend of mine who's now 80 and been blind since birth has said to me, on more than one occasion, "Sometimes, there's no substitute for sight," and that's the absolute truth.  Even when it isn't the absolute truth, its astounding how it can contribute to rapidly finding an accessibility solution when trial and error via screen reader to do the same could take a very, very long time and perhaps still not yield results were it not for a real stroke of luck.
 
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     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


Re: How to make things worse by trying to fix stuff!

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Oh my goodness!  I wish I had an answer of some sort for you, but this
one has me even scratching my head mate. I'll send this round to my
contacts in the tech world and see if they can find out some answers.


Tony

On 6/27/2018 2:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Now as many here will know, I am not stupid, well debatable in some
quarters, but  lets move on.

The problem I have been having for some time now is that selected
dialogues in Dropbox no longer work in my windows 7 on any of the nvda
versions including the master and next snaps. They are just blank.
I posted this as an issue to github, and somebody running the same
windows 7 as me says his work fine on the same version of dropbox, so
where does this leave me? well something odd in at least two machines
I have access to that run dropbox.
I have no real idea of where to start, but Microsoft's troubleshooting
suggests sfc /scannow. So I did, and this is where my troubles started.
Firstly, Dropbox when the computer rebooted had decided to change its
language to maybe German, but maybe not. Since I cannot access the
dialogues, yes this made no difference in that regard at all, I then
wanted to send you folks this email. Guess what, my email software had
lost access to its passwords. So I thought. I know I'll roll back to
this morning. Bad move system restore complained it could not access a
file to go back, but then again it could not restore from the one it
claimed it could not do in the first place. Also for some reason the
radio button in the system restore dialogue was not being read, only
the one on the undo file. I had to use screen navigation to put it to
the right file to restore to. but that failed on running it.
So I reinstalled the email software over itself, and got the email
passwords back. Obviously sfc did not clock that something had
modified a system file in this way.
Now  I thought to myself, OK so the  application is in a foreign
language, lets go onto dropbox and see if I can find a way to fix it.
No such luck as when I log in as me, the whole web site goes into
German or whatever as well.
So I guess it will have to wait for a sighted person to be able to
change it back to English, as I suspect, uninstalling it, then re
installing it, given that I will need to allow it online will merely
put it back into German again!

So several hours of shall we say interesting language later, I'm still
stuck with non reading dialogues in dropbox and now its not even in
English and nor are the menus and the web site.
So is the language setting in dropbox a place where one might have
clicked accidentally if one cannot hear anything in the window?

if you got this far congratulations. It has eased my frustration if
nothing else.

Brian

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

bob jutzi <jutzi1@...>
 

How much memory do you have in your system? I'm running a 3.7ghz Core i3, total of 12MB available, and Windows 10 64. Othre than a little lag when loading a page into Browse Mode, no new issues with V60 of Firefox. One annoying issue I've always had with FF is some sites, such as Pizzahut.com require setting Page Styles to None in order for all links to be recognized by NVDA. There may be workarounds for this, just not aware of them. I still prefer the Fox over Edge or Internet Exploder.

On 6/28/2018 3:18 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I have. And no I do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is snappy on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
*Sent:*Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
*To:*nvda list list
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@... <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Wow 32 GB? I’m running 8 of ram.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:37:55 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
 
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
 
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
 
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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
 
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.
 
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Re: Can't uise the NVDA menus

John J. Boyer
 

That was a typo. I meant 2018.1.1. Those typols will kill me someday!

John

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 05:52:34PM +0000, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi John. Why are you on NVDA 2017? Do you have an old XP machine?



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:49:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can't uise the NVDA menus

Hello,

I am using an Acer Swift 3 notebook with Windows 10 home and NVDA 2017.1.1. Either the configuration or NVDA itself has
become corrupted. Many menu items don't work and it is delivering messages about no headings at Level 1. I can't reset
it to factory defaults, assuming that works, because it would go to no Braille and I couldn't use the machine at all.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost







--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: I've had it with Firefox

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
To: nvda list list
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
 
I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

 

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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I

with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and Edge are good buddies.

 

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Re: Making the virtual cursor and the actual screen content "track" with each other

 

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:13 am, Gene wrote:
Yes, but I'm saying that I don't know how useful it will be unless the screen is shown as a blind person finds it, with whatever is reformated in the buffer displayed as reformatted and not the screen displayed as it appears to the sighted user. 
And that would be useful to be able to pull up as well, were the "tracking" between what the sighted user sees and the screen reader user has access to.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the virtual buffer itself is not visual in nature and, in fact, could be very difficult to search for whatever it is that corresponds to what is shown on certain parts of the screen.  I'll give two pages that can be used as illustrations of what I'm talking about:

                  https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_2_7?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=car+gps&sprefix=car+gps%2Caps%2C204&crid=3PV9DKR2H61VR 

                  https://www.mcmaster.com/#cargo-tie-downs/=1dgh5vs 

On the Amazon page, there is a column presented visually at the left that has the phrase "Show results for" followed by a long list of links that allow you to further narrow your search after your initial criteria were applied.  After the list of links is a section headed by the phrase "Refine by" followed by a collection of checkboxes, followed by another collection of links, followed by another collection of checkboxes.   I have still not figured out how to force a screen reader, whether JAWS or NVDA, to gain focus on that section of the webpage at all and interact with it.  I've got to try again with NVDA and mouse tracking just to see if I can figure out another plan of attack, but that requires that what's reported to me via the mouse tracking feature somehow correspond to something I can successfully search for with the screen reader search.

Not that the readership here does not already realize this, but accessibility on certain webpages is much more complicated than it is on others.  Since I can see I work at it from what do I see and hear when I interact with specific elements and then, how to I get the screen reader to do the same thing.  Sometimes that's utterly straightforward but in the Amazon product search results presented above it's absolutely not.   The McMaster Carr page is another example of my having a hellish time of figuring out how to access via screen reader what's immediately obvious when looking at the page.

I don't expect anyone to "feel my pain."  At the same time, when I'm working with a client and a screen reader is merrily tooling along reading the screen, announcing elements, etc., which I cannot see and where understanding "the lay of the land" is otherwise important it's frustrating, and it impedes my ability to give accurate instructions about what to do next.

A dear friend of mine who's now 80 and been blind since birth has said to me, on more than one occasion, "Sometimes, there's no substitute for sight," and that's the absolute truth.  Even when it isn't the absolute truth, its astounding how it can contribute to rapidly finding an accessibility solution when trial and error via screen reader to do the same could take a very, very long time and perhaps still not yield results were it not for a real stroke of luck.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

     Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

          ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 


Re: Can't uise the NVDA menus

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Hi John. Why are you on NVDA 2017? Do you have an old XP machine?

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:49:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can't uise the NVDA menus
 
Hello,

I am using an Acer Swift 3 notebook with Windows 10 home and NVDA 2017.1.1. Either the configuration or NVDA itself has
become corrupted. Many menu items don't work and it is delivering messages about no headings at Level 1. I can't reset
it to factory defaults, assuming that works, because it would go to no Braille and I couldn't use the machine at all.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses  live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
        that are available at no cost






Can't uise the NVDA menus

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I am using an Acer Swift 3 notebook with Windows 10 home and NVDA 2017.1.1. Either the configuration or NVDA itself has
become corrupted. Many menu items don't work and it is delivering messages about no headings at Level 1. I can't reset
it to factory defaults, assuming that works, because it would go to no Braille and I couldn't use the machine at all.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost