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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

 

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 01:18 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe we need a simple to understand explanation, as much of this has grown over time and additional parameters have been added as needed to control stuff, but precious little detail seems to be around.
You really have no idea just how frequent and common this is as very few software projects put nearly the emphasis on documentation, both for their programming team and end users, that they should.

This issue is complicated by the fact that there exists a very strongly embedded culture among a very large swath of programmers that, "the code is self documenting," so comments are not used and that it's "a waste of my time" to work with technical writers to create the manuals for either future programmers or end users.  It's had a pernicious effect since day one.

Features, and their attendant data changes, get added of necessity or desire, but documentation surrounding same often never gets updated or created.  I've encountered this recently with regard to the Read-Only attribute on folders under Windows, which employs a 3-state checkbox [which should have been implemented as a radio button group, if you ask me], that is virtually undocumented.  I didn't think there was anything under the sun about Windows that I hadn't encountered at some point during my long career, but that was a new one on me.
 
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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

Mohamed
 

That's probably a synthesizer issue, as far as I know NVDA doesn't attempt to distinguish between the various types of dots other than the sentence ending and the symbol.

On 7/3/2018 6:45 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
But that does not explain point in web addresses but dot in email addresses.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and
preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer
or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at
symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide
to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence
ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the
other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve"
settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in
the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang)
are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have
the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and
preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with
level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would
have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just
the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context
of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires
its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a
punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in
written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or
other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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In praise of Waterfox

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One other thing I really like about it is the no messing way you can get auto log in to run on web sites. for some reason, firefox nearly always fails to log in automatically and sometimes simply refuses, where as with the basic defaults, Waterfox just works.
I feel Fireffox are suffering from far too complexity for their own good and in doing so have compromised a lot of what it used to offer.
I would also urge Nvaccess to support waterfox by testing all new code on it as well as the other main browsers, as unless they foul something up big time it does seem to be gaining a lot of friends of late.


I think the only thing I miss is the ability to clear out the clutter and read the text mode.
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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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But that does not explain point in web addresses but dot in email addresses.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohamed" <malhajamy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and
preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer
or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at
symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide
to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence
ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the
other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve"
settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in
the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang)
are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have
the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and
preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with
level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would
have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just
the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context
of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires
its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a
punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in
written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or
other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

Mohamed
 

Level indicates at what symbol level the character is spoken, and preserve controls whether the symbol is actually sent to the synthesizer or not, so for the bang/exclamation point, its replacement is spoken at symbol level all and is always sent to the synthesizer so it can decide to handle the punctuation mark in the way it chooses. The sentence ending version of the period is used at the end of sentences, and the other period entry is used for everything else.


On 7/2/2018 4:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve" settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang) are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or other classification systems, and point in numbers.

--

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Re: waterfox accessibility message

 

The only things I have set is keyboard navigation and to not block alerts from autorefresh.

The thing is that it uses both classic and quantom engines, in theory at least, if one engine will not work it will go back on the other, however it also means it will support the old classic addons and new web extention standards.

By default, it will not do multiprocesser either which is nice.

By default, it  at least with the modules I have, will not always complete sites like registrations or capchas unless I run it in vanilla mode but that does mean things will run as they should.

I hope it continues as it does.

On 7/3/2018 8:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes one thing I find about the current waterfox is that it seldom misses loading a page and presents the try again of firefox. it also does not  go berserk warning you of trivial issues with web sites and presents understandable alerts that you do not need to be a dictionary or avid reader of help files to understand straight away. I have to also say that some bits of nvda might benefit from a less programmer driven language in explanations too.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Well waterfox is supposed to use both api bases both classic and otherwise.

Waterfox is only loosly based off firefox anyway.

They keep saying things will change.

To be honest if all options worked as they used to and all the buttons and old menubars could come back somehow that would be fine, tthere is an addon for download sounds and I guess I could live with that but not the performance slowdown on systems with little memmory or power.




On 7/3/2018 5:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So are you saying then that in august when Firefox esr is officially Quantum based, the old extensions will work? I was under the impression that the whole ethos of quantum was to protect the rendering code and not allow addons that can interact in any way other than those already defined. This would men navigational sounds and many others would be suspended.
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


It will remain.

Nothing goes away, I had to get noscript back but to be honest nothing else.

Nothing will happen, waterfox is supposed to be using both classic and quantom interfaces.

So in short in theory at least you should be able to run both web and classic extentions easily enough.

Its in the future we aren't trading one codebase for another.

Thats why I keep waterfox round.




On 7/2/2018 8:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how can I stop this happening. I need navigational sounds to remain.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Hello I downloaded the latest waterfox from the waterfox website

when I installed it and launched it it brings up a message that accessibility has ben parshally disabled do to compatibility with screen readers

1 how do I get access to that message to work with it?

2. what do I choose on this perticular message?

thanks

Hank


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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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Yes and its not just Espeak that seems to alter this either. I noticed the other day that Sapi 5 in web addresses says point, but it says dot in email addresses which seems to override what the symbols are telling it to do.
Maybe we need a simple to understand explanation, as much of this has grown over time and additional parameters have been added as needed to control stuff, but precious little detail seems to be around. Something I touched on in another thread recently.
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve" settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang) are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation/remote access

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Yes but why stop there, see my other message. I'm happy to share mine but do not want to be accused of breaking somebody's screenreader!
How is NVDA Remote for the new code fixes doing, I think you are one of the authors of that.
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From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Then change the other two.
On 7/2/2018 11:44 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.




Re: more on symbol pronounciation

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Strange I've done huge changes with semicolons apostrophes and loads of others and the seem to have stuck.
I think NVDA urgently needs an ability to load national variations of these symbols easily. When I wanted to give mine to somebody else it meant trying to see where the file was stored, and then putting my file in after renaming theirs, otherwise its either install it from a portable copy over theirs and lose their other settings or do it all one at a time and as we all know the symbols turn up multiple times so need to all be changed.

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To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 7:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] more on symbol pronounciation


Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: waterfox accessibility message

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Yes one thing I find about the current waterfox is that it seldom misses loading a page and presents the try again of firefox. it also does not go berserk warning you of trivial issues with web sites and presents understandable alerts that you do not need to be a dictionary or avid reader of help files to understand straight away. I have to also say that some bits of nvda might benefit from a less programmer driven language in explanations too.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Well waterfox is supposed to use both api bases both classic and otherwise.

Waterfox is only loosly based off firefox anyway.

They keep saying things will change.

To be honest if all options worked as they used to and all the buttons and old menubars could come back somehow that would be fine, tthere is an addon for download sounds and I guess I could live with that but not the performance slowdown on systems with little memmory or power.




On 7/3/2018 5:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So are you saying then that in august when Firefox esr is officially Quantum based, the old extensions will work? I was under the impression that the whole ethos of quantum was to protect the rendering code and not allow addons that can interact in any way other than those already defined. This would men navigational sounds and many others would be suspended.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


It will remain.

Nothing goes away, I had to get noscript back but to be honest nothing else.

Nothing will happen, waterfox is supposed to be using both classic and quantom interfaces.

So in short in theory at least you should be able to run both web and classic extentions easily enough.

Its in the future we aren't trading one codebase for another.

Thats why I keep waterfox round.




On 7/2/2018 8:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how can I stop this happening. I need navigational sounds to remain.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Hello I downloaded the latest waterfox from the waterfox website

when I installed it and launched it it brings up a message that accessibility has ben parshally disabled do to compatibility with screen readers

1 how do I get access to that message to work with it?

2. what do I choose on this perticular message?

thanks

Hank


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Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I wasn't given a choice as to how deep I wanted to go. All it said was "pick the uninstall mode" but nothing else. Maybe I'm not doing something right.


Rosemarie

On 7/2/2018 4:51 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
when you first upen up the  program after installation, it will give you a list of programs on your computer that can be uninstalled. Pick the one you want  and go into your context menu  and pick uninstall.  It will then give you a choice of how deep an uninstall you want to go.


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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try and let you know if it worked.




On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try.  It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie








Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Debra,


I think I was able to get rid of some of the files associated with that program. It takes forever to get rid of some stubborn programs.


Rosemarie

On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try.  It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie






Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Debra Gardner
 

when you first upen up the program after installation, it will give you a list of programs on your computer that can be uninstalled. Pick the one you want and go into your context menu and pick uninstall. It will then give you a choice of how deep an uninstall you want to go.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 4:28 PM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try and let you know if it worked.




On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try. It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie







Re: waterfox accessibility message

 

Well waterfox is supposed to use both api bases both classic and otherwise.

Waterfox is only loosly based off firefox anyway.

They keep saying things will change.

To be honest if all options worked as they used to and all the buttons and old menubars could come back somehow that would be fine, tthere is an addon for download sounds and I guess I could live with that but not the performance slowdown on systems with little memmory or power.

On 7/3/2018 5:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So are you saying then that in august when Firefox esr is officially Quantum based, the old extensions will work? I was under the impression that the whole ethos of quantum was to protect the rendering code and  not allow addons that can interact in any way other than those  already defined. This would men navigational sounds and many others would be suspended.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


It will remain.

Nothing goes away, I had to get noscript back but to be honest nothing else.

Nothing will happen, waterfox is supposed to be using both classic and quantom interfaces.

So in short in theory at least you should be able to run both web and classic extentions easily enough.

Its in the future we aren't trading one codebase for another.

Thats why I keep waterfox round.




On 7/2/2018 8:14 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
So how can I stop this happening. I need navigational sounds to remain.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2018 10:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] waterfox accessibility message


Hello I downloaded the latest waterfox from the waterfox website

when I installed it and launched it it brings up a message that accessibility has ben parshally disabled do to compatibility with screen readers

1 how do I get access to that message to work with it?

2. what do I choose on this perticular message?

thanks

Hank


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Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try and let you know if it worked.

On 7/2/2018 2:26 PM, Debra Gardner wrote:
Here's something you might try.  It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie






Re: trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

Debra Gardner
 

Here's something you might try. It's called revo uninstaller. If you install this and it asks if you want to upgrade, say no because ifyou do, the upgrade isn't accessible.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/4o37ul

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 11:21 AM
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3 converter classic

I think it's a 32 bit program.




On 7/1/2018 10:56 AM, Jackie wrote:
Rosemarie, how many bits the program itself is does not make a
difference. What's important is whether your version of *windows* is
32- or 64-bits.

On 7/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Already tried that.




On 7/1/2018 12:42 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
Depending which version of windows try looking in control panel for
programs and features or if older os add/remove programs

That’s the proper way of doing uninstalls

Good luck

*From: *Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
*Sent: *01 July 2018 07:17
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] trying to uninstall the free youtube to mpp3
converter classic

Hi, everyone,

Can you recommend a good program for uninstalling the free youtube to

mp3 converter classic? I tried a program called special uninstaller but

that didn't help at all.

Thanks in advance.

Rosemarie





Re: making the menus in libre office talk

Kevin Cussick
 

from memory, if you install lo without a screen reader running it will not be accessible. if you install with screen reader running it switches all the accessible stuff on things might have changed. this was a few years ago when the Ia2 stuff was being ported over.

On 30/06/2018 21:10, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
Odd that it's just the menus. Is this a situation where Java RTE and Access bridge are required to obtain access to the menus?
Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 30 June 2018 18:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] making the menus in libre office talk
Hi, everyone,
I have a friend who just got a refurvished computer from Computers for
the Blind in Texas. She said they installed libre office on it but she
can't make the menus talk. Other than that, she said she can work with
the writer word processer and the spread sheet with no problem. Is there
a way to make the menus talk?
Thanks for your help in advance.
Rosemarie


Re: more on symbol pronounciation

 

It's also not entirely clear to me what the "level" and "preserve" settings mean and how they interact with each other and how order in the list might influence things as well.

Since the sentence ending period (dot) and exclamation point (bang) are noted as level all and preserve always, while further down we have the period character with dot (the pronunciation) with level some and preserve never and the exclamation point character with bang with level all and preserve never it's really unclear to me what one would have to do to get context specific pronunciation.

When you throw in decimal point, which shows no actual character, just the name decimal point, things become more unclear.

I generally use "bang" for the exclamation point only in the context of programming or when writing out a keystroke sequence that requires its use, but "exclamation point" when talking about it as a punctuation mark.

When it comes to the period character it's period as punctuation in written English or other natural language, dot in things like URLs or other classification systems, and point in numbers.

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Re: more on symbol pronounciation

Tyler Spivey
 

Then change the other two.

On 7/2/2018 11:44 AM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.



more on symbol pronounciation

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Running NVDA 2018.2.1 on win7, working fine. In symbols pronounciation
I changed the first two items sentence endings the dot and bang
changed them to period and exclaimation, seleced ok, saved
configuration, and restarted NVDA, this did not work.

Thanks.
Dave.