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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Even high end systems struggle these days with large websites. It's not quite as pronounced as with a lower end machine but it is definitely still there and definitely hampers productivity.


I switched to google chrome and haven't looked back. So much smoother, quicker and more responsive. A low end transformer book t100 tablet with Chrome blows this surface book out of the water running latest firefox with both NVDA and Jaws.


Although video cards do make quite the difference on websites with videos imbedded, like youtube. Seems even more so with Jaws than NVDA.




On 06-Jul-2018 12:00 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

You could have a valid point on video cards or even sound cards.  It's known that different processors make a difference on what software is running

Insider Dave



On 6/29/2018 4:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Gene,


This whole issue with Firefox is odd, but since I have seen no complaints about Firefox sluggishness or unresponsiveness from sighted people, the issue has to be somehow related to screen reader usage and/or the way JAWS, NVDA and other screen readers interface with Firefox under very complex conditions.  I am still wondering about video card or internal video chips conflicts. I know everyone at Freedom Scientific/VFO used to get mad at me when I worked for them every time something like this would happen with a program--wherein some people had no issues and others had several issues.  I would bring up video card/chip conflicts of issues and they would yell at me that all such issues involving screen readers (in the words of the old gospel song) it was all settled long ago.  Still, I wonder!



On 6/29/2018 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.
 
Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory?  According to a review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with memory.  and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work. 
 
and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of unresolved accessibility issues.  Since there are very conflicting reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time.  Something unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity. 
 
If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome. 
 
Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than Chrome. 
 
Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox.  it's a small operation and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, as far as I can see, not known.  How will it keep up in general?  If it bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages you like in Waterfox going to disappear?  the new ESR version of firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version.  We'll see what it is like and how people comment on it here.
 
There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future developments.  A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying benefiting from future advantages.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor add on
see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or memory
use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
 Brian

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the
public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I
woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
> wrote:
>
> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
>
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
> To: nvda list list
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox
> is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an
>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>>
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>> Windows 10
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>> To: nvda list list
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit
>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll
>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and
>>> Edge are good buddies.
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>
>
>








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Re: I've had it with Firefox

Dave Grossoehme
 

You could have a valid point on video cards or even sound cards.  It's known that different processors make a difference on what software is running

Insider Dave



On 6/29/2018 4:52 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Gene,


This whole issue with Firefox is odd, but since I have seen no complaints about Firefox sluggishness or unresponsiveness from sighted people, the issue has to be somehow related to screen reader usage and/or the way JAWS, NVDA and other screen readers interface with Firefox under very complex conditions.  I am still wondering about video card or internal video chips conflicts. I know everyone at Freedom Scientific/VFO used to get mad at me when I worked for them every time something like this would happen with a program--wherein some people had no issues and others had several issues.  I would bring up video card/chip conflicts of issues and they would yell at me that all such issues involving screen readers (in the words of the old gospel song) it was all settled long ago.  Still, I wonder!



On 6/29/2018 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
this discussion needs perspective, in my opinion.
 
Which version of firefox is inefficient with memory?  According to a review I read of the new Firefox, it is much more efficient with memory.  and efficient or not, no browser is going to require that a computer have 4 or 5gb of RAM to work. 
 
and the slowness is, as far as I can reasonably infer, because of unresolved accessibility issues.  Since there are very conflicting reports, with some people being very pleased with the new Firefox and others not, we'll have to see how things work out over time.  Something unknown is evidently causing a wide disparity. 
 
If you read reviews by sighted reviewers, the new Firefox is very fast and is now a realistic competitor to Chrome. 
 
Regarding privacy, according to one or two reviews, Firefox is now better at protecting privacy, or providing options to do so, than Chrome. 
 
Waterfox is based on an ESR version of Firefox.  it's a small operation and how well it will keep up with security fixes that are necessary is, as far as I can see, not known.  How will it keep up in general?  If it bases itself on ESR versions of Firefox, and with a new ESR version of Firefox coming out within about a week or less, are all the advantages you like in Waterfox going to disappear?  the new ESR version of firefox, on which Waterfox is based, will be a quantum version.  We'll see what it is like and how people comment on it here.
 
There is, at present, far too much that isn't known about future developments.  A strong antiFirefox bias predisposes against making the best choices in future and may cause people not to pay attention to future developments as soon as they might, thus, perhaps, delaying benefiting from future advantages.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox

Blimey, I only have 8 gigs of ram. You can with the resource monitor add on
see very clearly that Firefox is not very efficient at processor or memory
use most of the time. I have an I5 and its been unthrottled too.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "nvda list list" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox


Yeah I'm not. I'm on what ever was released last Tuesday or updates for the
public. It's quite fast here, but the 32 gigs of ram probably help a bit. I
woudl just  check for updates and stuff.

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
> wrote:
>
> That’s odd cause its not snappy here and I’m running Insider builds.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:18:18 PM
> To: nvda list list
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>
> I have. And no I  do not run firefox on the mac. I can't. But yeah firefox
> is  snappy  on my win 10 64 bit machine.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>
>> How slow is it for you? You are running a Mac right? Have you ran on an
>> actual PC 64 bit running WIN 10?
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Sarah k
>> Alawami <marrie12@... <mailto:marrie12@...>>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:29:17 PM
>> To: nvda list list
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I've had it with Firefox
>>
>> I'll sticke with FF Loving it over here. I go between that and chrome.
>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...
>>> <mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well like I said in my subject line I’ve had I
>>> with firefox. Every site is slowith NVDa even the mobile FB site. I bit
>>> the bullet and downloaded Waterfox. Seems to work much better. May I’ll
>>> wait ti FF 70 and see how fast that will be. So long FF. Me and WF and
>>> Edge are good buddies.
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>
>
>








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Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Mohamed
 

Personally I think that dialog should probably not save the response to it in nvda.ini and should be a separate configuration file because of this.

On 7/6/2018 9:28 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:

Hello Joseph

I gave the Save settings command and restarted NVDA and no more did the dialog bother me. Sorry, I should have thought of that myself. Many thanks for your helpful response. My only excuse is that we are having a terrifically cold winter and that my mind is frozen.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 02:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To better understand what's going on, please answer the following questions:
* When the pop-up comes up, did you say 'no"?
* If you said "no" yet the dialog opens again, chances are that NVDA can't save settings. Have you tried saving settings manually by pressing Control+NVDA+C?
* Under Settings/General panel, is the last checkbox named "Allow the NVDA project to gather NVDA usage statistics" not checked?

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the
developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of
you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either.  I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain
the option in General settings. This is not something on which one
would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and
irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you
feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an
update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo






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Re: nvda on xbox one s?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Whynot connect the xbox to the network and stream the window to the computer via the xbox app. I’ve done ocr wiht nvda on that window and it works for what it does.

On Jul 6, 2018, at 7:02 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

well windows10 has its own built-in OCR. and xbox one s and xbox one x run on windows10. so maybe OCR is built into the system? if not, maybe in the meantime an iPhone or android phone with good cameras and an app could be used to OCR the screen of the game menus and other stuff? 

Re: nvda on xbox one s?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Use  a keyboard for narrator all the time. Read the help, but basically it’s capslock up and down to move through  the items words characters etc and narraotr left right to move through said items. Ther are other key strokes I dont’ know, things ot do with mouse mode and curser review but yeah I need to sit down and memmorise.

On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:38 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I am told Narrator is on x box, well the newer ones obviously. I do not do gaming, but exactly how do you do some of the keys, Is not this purely a game box, You presumably add a keyboard. There is in development a windows store version of nvda, but at present I don't think you can use add ons on it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda on xbox one s?


Wow it would be awesome if NVDA could be on Xbox!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:53 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda on xbox one s?



Hi,



In the future, is there any way that NVDA could be an app in the xbox one s app store? Then I could maybe use NVDA’s windows10 OCR feature to read game menus to more easily play games like madden nfl 2018 and others. Xbox one s runs on windows10.



Josh





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Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I get this message when trying to download NVDA 2018.3 beta 1. How do I download this? Thanks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Gene
 

One of the real advantages of having automatically save settings off is that you can experiment with different settings and never worry about accidentally saving them.  Or you can intentionally make changes intended only for one session and not forget and accidentally have them saved if you close the program or shut down the computer, which would shut down the program.  Users should be expected to learn certain basic things about the programs they use.  I consider it a real disservice to users to have automatically save settings set as the default.  There is such a thing as too much automation. 
 
A user might set something like voice speed, or the voice to be used, or punctuation level, or who knows what manually and accidentally save something there was no intention of saving.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I wonder why it did not do it though, unless its been turned off. Maybe if
autosave is turned off some options like this one need to be staored or a
warning to the effect that it was not stored spoken?
 I always leave  the auto store on as otherwise things get very confused.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hi,
You're welcome as always. When in doubt, manually saving settings is one way
to really make sure NVDA remembers your preferences in the future.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de
Klerk
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

Hello Joseph

I gave the Save settings command and restarted NVDA and no more did the
dialog bother me. Sorry, I should have thought of that myself. Many thanks
for your helpful response. My only excuse is that we are having a
terrifically cold winter and that my mind is frozen.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 02:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> To better understand what's going on, please answer the following
> questions:
> * When the pop-up comes up, did you say 'no"?
> * If you said "no" yet the dialog opens again, chances are that NVDA can't
> save settings. Have you tried saving settings manually by pressing
> Control+NVDA+C?
> * Under Settings/General panel, is the last checkbox named "Allow the NVDA
> project to gather NVDA usage statistics" not checked?
>
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:53 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers
>
> I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.
>
> Thanks for the heads-up!
>
> Ciao,
>
> Ollie
>
>
>
>
>
> Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
>> I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the
>> developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of
>> you in version 18.3.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>> On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
>>> Hendrickson
>>> Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers
>>>
>>> I never get that message either.  I just start up NVDA and away it goes.
>>>
>>> On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
>>>> Hello Christo,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
>>>> once, and never again.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
>>>> checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.
>>>>
>>>> hth, ciao,
>>>>
>>>> Ollie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
>>>>> Hello to NVDA developers on the list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
>>>>> data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
>>>>> totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
>>>>> include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain
>>>>> the option in General settings. This is not something on which one
>>>>> would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and
>>>>> irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you
>>>>> feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an
>>>>> update or provide the option not to be asked again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

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Which version are you running. All people with the last stable were asked as I recall. Its nothing sinister, its just feedback to find out where things are being used, what synths and what browsers etc I think. It will aid prioritising features and fixes and also can be pointed to if nvaccess are looking for funding.
The European regulation is called the General Data Protection Regulation and it merely formalises the provisions in the data protection laws across the EU
It says everything that is or may be considered personal data has to be done as an opt in selection by the person whose data is being collected.
It should eventually mean all EU web sites cookies policies must come clean and not install them if you opt out of those cookie policy reminders you are seeing a lot of now. Of course world wide it really depends on who adopts similar legislation and as this is a thorny subject I'll stop it there!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


I didn’t even know data was even being collected :D

Maybe other screen reader do that

Anyway no dialog here either



From: Christo de Klerk
Sent: 06 July 2018 11:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage data,
but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally over the
top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a "Don't ask me
again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in General settings.
This is not something on which one would regularly change one's mind. It
is really annoying and irritating to have this dialog pop up with every
start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and
during an update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I wonder why it did not do it though, unless its been turned off. Maybe if autosave is turned off some options like this one need to be staored or a warning to the effect that it was not stored spoken?
I always leave the auto store on as otherwise things get very confused.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hi,
You're welcome as always. When in doubt, manually saving settings is one way to really make sure NVDA remembers your preferences in the future.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

Hello Joseph

I gave the Save settings command and restarted NVDA and no more did the dialog bother me. Sorry, I should have thought of that myself. Many thanks for your helpful response. My only excuse is that we are having a terrifically cold winter and that my mind is frozen.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 02:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To better understand what's going on, please answer the following questions:
* When the pop-up comes up, did you say 'no"?
* If you said "no" yet the dialog opens again, chances are that NVDA can't save settings. Have you tried saving settings manually by pressing Control+NVDA+C?
* Under Settings/General panel, is the last checkbox named "Allow the NVDA project to gather NVDA usage statistics" not checked?

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the
developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of
you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain
the option in General settings. This is not something on which one
would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and
irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you
feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an
update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo






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Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

You should not have an issue if you deal with the dialogue as normal.
I've been trying to duplicate this with both alpha and beta new branches but its not showing up more than the one time.
I'm certain it was in the last release in any case, and since the snap names are now different it should pop up once per branch but not after that.
Sorry for so many posts but thee emails are coming in out of sequence today courtesy of Virgin!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally
over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a
"Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in
General settings. This is not something on which one would regularly
change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to have this
dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop
it up during installation and during an update or provide the option
not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo







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Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Christo de Klerk
 

It will only ask once if you have NVDA set to automatically save settings on exit. I did not have mine set that way and I didn't think of manually saving settings. That was why I got it every time around.

Regards

Christo

On 2018/07/06 04:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi but it only appears the first time as it has before. I just ran the portable copy based on my manual download after the error and that screen is not being seen again, so as long as you said OK then it goes away unless some new item of data is going to be requested. Many programs now do this, including ccleaner, but it only happens once. On Ccleaner though its a bit harder to turn it off, hitch may or may not be deliberate, the monitoring that is not the prompt!!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hi,
Correct: it is part of 2018.3 to comply with privacy regulations among other things. At the moment the best person who can give you a definitive answer is out of town for a few days, so don't take my answer as official.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either.  I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the
option in General settings. This is not something on which one would
regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to
have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is
necessary, pop it up during installation and during an update or
provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo







--
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Joshua Hendrickson
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi but it only appears the first time as it has before. I just ran the portable copy based on my manual download after the error and that screen is not being seen again, so as long as you said OK then it goes away unless some new item of data is going to be requested. Many programs now do this, including ccleaner, but it only happens once. On Ccleaner though its a bit harder to turn it off, hitch may or may not be deliberate, the monitoring that is not the prompt!!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hi,
Correct: it is part of 2018.3 to comply with privacy regulations among other things. At the moment the best person who can give you a definitive answer is out of town for a few days, so don't take my answer as official.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the
option in General settings. This is not something on which one would
regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to
have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is
necessary, pop it up during installation and during an update or
provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo







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Joshua Hendrickson
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No it should not be. I don't think anything has changed from the old rc branch. However it might be some error that is caused by manual download being needed at the moment. I am not convinced its anything intentional. If it is an issue then it will be fixed as these are betas not releases after all. At the moment I've not been able to update master to beta in auto update form so its a bit early to say. What I'll do is go and look at the snap.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally
over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a
"Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in
General settings. This is not something on which one would regularly
change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to have this
dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop
it up during installation and during an update or provide the option
not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo







--
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Joshua Hendrickson
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Like I said. those using snaps will see it now master is beta and next is alpha, but hopefully not again as long as nothing but the version of the snap changes.
I cannot test master yet as it fails to update as in the previous thread, but I see not reason why it should act any different to the old ones and I just agreed to it the once and it stood as agreed for ever.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@kimabe.eu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in General settings. This is not something on which one would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No he means the one that asks about permission to get data about usage etc, which was added in may to comply with GDPR regs inEurope. its only displayed the once per version as far as I have ascertained.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hi Christo
I am not a developer but a regular user and don't get such behaviour when using NVDA. The only thing I can think you are alluding to is the Welcome dialog box, which contains a check box entitled "Show Welcome Dialog At Start up", or something similar, which you should uncheck. I think the setting for this is stored in the NVDA.Ini file.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: 6 July 2018 11:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage data,
but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally over the
top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a "Don't ask me
again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in General settings.
This is not something on which one would regularly change one's mind. It
is really annoying and irritating to have this dialog pop up with every
start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and
during an update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It only asks me once here as long as its the samebranch or snap or whatever that is being run. If you are getting it all the time then something odd is going wrong. I've seen it when the new version came out and also on the new snap branches but that is all.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 11:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers


Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain the option in General settings. This is not something on which one would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo
Re: nvda on xbox one s?

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

well windows10 has its own built-in OCR. and xbox one s and xbox one x run on windows10. so maybe OCR is built into the system? if not, maybe in the meantime an iPhone or android phone with good cameras and an app could be used to OCR the screen of the game menus and other stuff? 
Re: nvda on xbox one s?

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

My son has both his xbox controller and a full computer keyboard plugged into his xbox one s. and they both work very good. so if nvda could be on there to OCR in-game-menus... 
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
You're welcome as always. When in doubt, manually saving settings is one way to really make sure NVDA remembers your preferences in the future.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

Hello Joseph

I gave the Save settings command and restarted NVDA and no more did the dialog bother me. Sorry, I should have thought of that myself. Many thanks for your helpful response. My only excuse is that we are having a terrifically cold winter and that my mind is frozen.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 02:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To better understand what's going on, please answer the following questions:
* When the pop-up comes up, did you say 'no"?
* If you said "no" yet the dialog opens again, chances are that NVDA can't save settings. Have you tried saving settings manually by pressing Control+NVDA+C?
* Under Settings/General panel, is the last checkbox named "Allow the NVDA project to gather NVDA usage statistics" not checked?

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the
developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of
you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain
the option in General settings. This is not something on which one
would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and
irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you
feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an
update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo






--
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Joshua Hendrickson
Re: A plea to NVDA developers

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello Joseph

I gave the Save settings command and restarted NVDA and no more did the dialog bother me. Sorry, I should have thought of that myself. Many thanks for your helpful response. My only excuse is that we are having a terrifically cold winter and that my mind is frozen.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/07/06 02:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To better understand what's going on, please answer the following questions:
* When the pop-up comes up, did you say 'no"?
* If you said "no" yet the dialog opens again, chances are that NVDA can't save settings. Have you tried saving settings manually by pressing Control+NVDA+C?
* Under Settings/General panel, is the last checkbox named "Allow the NVDA project to gather NVDA usage statistics" not checked?

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2018 5:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I'm using the ex next... Not here yet.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 14:34, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
I should have mentioned that I am using Master snapshots. If the
developers don't stop this behaviour, it is lying in wait for all of
you in version 18.3.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/07/06 01:24 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I must admit I haven't ever gotten this either.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joshua
Hendrickson
Sent: 06 July 2018 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A plea to NVDA developers

I never get that message either. I just start up NVDA and away it goes.

On 7/6/18, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Christo,


Strange thing indeed! I never get the dialogue. I got the request
once, and never again.

I'm sure there's an option to avoid that.


I've checked my settings. Under Settings, General, the relevant
checkbox is checked here. It's the last one before the OK.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 06/07/2018 12:15, Christo de Klerk ha scritto:
Hello to NVDA developers on the list


I understand the need to get a user's permission to collect usage
data, but popping up that dialog at every start-up of NVDA is
totally over the top. Please please please don't do that. Please
include a "Don't ask me again" checkbox in the dialog and retain
the option in General settings. This is not something on which one
would regularly change one's mind. It is really annoying and
irritating to have this dialog pop up with every start-up. If you
feel it is necessary, pop it up during installation and during an
update or provide the option not to be asked again.


Kind regards


Christo






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