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Re: PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes

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See my reply. Scanned are generally just pictures, so obviously an ocr is the only way to go. However if you have contact with the document supplier and they do not understand how to make pdfs accessible and how to make comments editable etc, it might be easier for them to simply send you the original docx files that they made them with instead, or they will need to be using the paid for pdf Adobe suite of software to make them accessible. They could be using any old third party tool or word itself to make them and hence it would be fare easier to send them as word in the first place. From experience the only reason they site for using pdf is that they do not want people changing content, but in the case of a blind user, if they cannot create an accessible pdf, the use of word would seem to be a logical adjustment to make.
Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes


Hello Quentin!

Pardon my ignorance, but I don't to how to navigate PDFs with NVDA. I have
always converted them in word. But, now I get material in which footnotes
are very important. Can I navigate them in the PDF itself? Can you give me
a link on navigating PDF with NVDA? I need the ability to -
1. Add, read and edit comments.
2. Highlight text and navigate highlighted text as you suggested for word in my previous question.
3. Navigating footnotes by jumping to the footnotes from the respective reference number.
4. Other basic commands like - reading para by para and skim read feature

Basicàly, I need an efficient way of reading footnotes, as you can do in word. But, I only receive PDFs and as you said converting them to word won't help.
Sometimes I also receive scanned books in PDF. Can footnotes in them would be read as well?
Could daisy be a solution?
Sorry, for the lengthy post, but this is important.

Thanks for your time!
Regards


Re: PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes

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Yes there are a considerable number of clueless people in education industry and in fact many walks of life who feel that just creating a picture off text is OK as they can see the letters. You also get files formatted as if it were in a newspaper but where they have not tagged the changes in reading order as the columns etc change in the file. if I had a ten pound not for every pdf I've had where page one is perfect but the rest is gibberish I would be a rich man!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes


When you say you can't access the PDF properly, is Adobe Reader reading any
of the text? If you need to use Abbyy to convert it to readable text, then
there likely isn't a way of converting to a Word document and keeping the
footnotes.

If you need it for school and are finding you have to use Abbyy to make it
readable, I would advise trying to convince the school to give you a more
accessible format to begin with. Otherwise, they will assume it works
fine and keep sending you the same format. Note that PDF can be perfectly
accessible, so I first ensure you have the latest version of Adobe Reader
just in case.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry for spamming guys! I'm new to assisting technology.
Is there a way to convert a PDF to word and keep all the footnotes intact?
In such a way that they can be accessed with alt plus S, H, command.
Need to work on a book for school project but can't access the PDF
properly. And when I convert it to word in Abby fine reader, footnotes
become the part of the flow text. This makes them hard to identify with
NVDA.
Hoping someone can help

Regards



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Re: Problem with Skype

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Yes this seems to happen with other programs on windows 10. Usually after a major update. That is one of the frustrations I had with 10, and is why my working copy of windows is still Windoze 7.
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From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype


hi, i'm afraid you have had the same problem as I have had.
I'm using windows 10 64 bit and skype the last version.
but when someone cals me, skype keeps ringing also when I've already answered the call.

when I hang up, skype keeps ringing!!!
the only way to stop it is in the taskmanager or reboot my computer!
what to do to solve this problem:
1 now you have installed an older version.
when you try to log in, skype geves you the message can not connect.
what to do,
go in skype in the menu, by pressing alt.
go to help
and there search for look for new version or such.
download and install that new version.
be carefull, there are checkboxes you have to uncheck, else there is a change in all of your using browsers, your homepage will be changed etc.
so it's better to uncheck that checkboxes.
with the new version, you can log in as usual.
when you've done, close skype.
now take your older version of skype.
now you install that older version, without remove the new version!!!!!
the skype installer tells you that the version you ar installing an older version is.
continu anyway?
it is yes.
remember, leave that older version somewhere in the download folder.
you will definitely need that in the future, I explain why.
skype will now start and log in normally!
and now with the older version that has nothing to do with.
you have to save the installation file, because it can go well for months but then suddenly, he can no longer log in.
then do the same trick again.
then it works again.

hope this helps
paul otter

Op 11-7-2018 om 20:34 schreef Marco Oros:
Hi!

I have tried to return back to previous Skype version, which is accessible, but I can't log in to My Skype. Please, could You help Me?
Thank You.
Marco Oros





Re: Removing an addon

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I think its tools add on manager, then find it and you should find at least the ability to disable it as an option.
Some seem never to go away but are turned off.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Removing an addon


Hi friends,
Could anyone please provide a step by step instruction on removing a firefox addon please;
I installed the firefox browser console addon and it's annoying, it keeps popping up everytime firefox loads,
Thank you so much
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Re: why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?

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F8, but I found strange things with tbird and did not like it much. Each to their own.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?


It sounds like you need to turn off the preview pane. That is under view/lay-out menu.


On 7/11/2018 11:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


Thunderbird is marking all messages including the new ones as read. How do I get it to recognize that new messages haven't been read?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie






Re: why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?

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One of the idiocies that made me abandon Tbird as well as the all in one big heap problem was that for some reason it kept opening new tabs with messages in them when not asked to.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?


Rosemarie,

Are you, by any chance, arrowing down through the list of messages in your inbox? If so, double check that your preview pane (or whatever Thunderbird calls it) is not turned on.

The default settings in Thunderbird will mark messages as read after something like 5 seconds of being displayed in the preview pane or being opened in a separate tab for reading. If the preview pane has accidentally been turned on this could be your problem when you slowly cruise through your inbox. I believe that F8 will toggle the preview pane off and on. You can also check View menu, Layout, Message Pane.

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Re: why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?

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I never thought it would from the description of the issue. is the preview pane on?


Otherwise it might be some subtle change in something. The question is what.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] why is thunderbird marking all new messages as read?


That didn't work.




On 7/11/2018 12:31 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi


If you want to make the time out longer which i have done go to tools
then options then display tab then advanced tab it is the third tab
under that section. Under there you will see the section where you can
make it longer. mine is set to 10 seconds.


Gene nz



On 7/12/2018 4:09 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


Thunderbird is marking all messages including the new ones as read.
How do I get it to recognize that new messages haven't been read?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie







Re: Recognising highlighted text in word document by NVDA

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you very much for this, Quentin! 
It works well enough.

Regards 
Sociohack 


Re: PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello Quentin! 
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't to how to navigate PDFs with NVDA. I have always converted them in word. But, now I get material in which footnotes are very important. Can I navigate them in the PDF itself? Can you give me a link on navigating PDF with NVDA?  I need the ability to -
1. Add, read and edit comments.
2. Highlight text and navigate highlighted text as you suggested for word in my previous question. 
3. Navigating footnotes by jumping to the footnotes from the respective reference number. 
4. Other basic commands like - reading para by para and skim read feature

Basicàly, I need an efficient way of reading footnotes, as you can do in word. But, I only receive PDFs and as you said converting them to word won't help. 
Sometimes I also receive scanned books in PDF.  Can footnotes in them would be read as well? 
Could daisy be a solution? 
Sorry, for the lengthy post, but this is important. 


Thanks for your time!
Regards 


Re: nvda not switching to usb headset

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I have selected it in the synthesizer dialogue, and speech still won't come through  though normal sounds do, including narrator.


On 7/12/2018 1:24 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Have you tried selecting the headset in the speech preferences under "Speech Output?"


Re: PDF t9 Word keeping footnotes

Quentin Christensen
 

When you say you can't access the PDF properly, is Adobe Reader reading any of the text?  If you need to use Abbyy to convert it to readable text, then there likely isn't a way of converting to a Word document and keeping the footnotes.

If you need it for school and are finding you have to use Abbyy to make it readable, I would advise trying to convince the school to give you a more accessible format to begin with.   Otherwise, they will assume it works fine and keep sending you the same format.  Note that PDF can be perfectly accessible, so I first ensure you have the latest version of Adobe Reader just in case.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:
Sorry for spamming guys! I'm new to assisting technology.
Is there a way to convert a PDF to word and keep all the footnotes intact? In such a way that they can be accessed with alt plus S, H, command. 
Need to work on a book for school project but can't access the PDF properly. And when I convert it to word in Abby fine reader, footnotes become the part of the flow text. This makes them hard to identify with NVDA. 
Hoping someone can help

Regards




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Re: Recognising highlighted text in word document by NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi there,

While there isn't an NVDA command for this, it is possible in Word:

1) Press CONTROL+H (This is the replace command, but it ensures the dialog opens, rather than the task pane)
2) Press ALT+M to activate the "More" button to show more options (if already activated the button becomes "Less" and alt+m doesn't do anything further).
3) Press ALT+O to open the Format button / menu.
4) Press H to select "Highlight".  (Note this is a toggle, so if you follow all these steps again it will turn off looking for highlighted text).
5) Press ALT+F to find the next piece of highlighted text.
6) Press ESCAPE to exit the find / replace dialog.  The text will be selected.  You can read it with NVDA+SHIFT+UP ARROW or NVDA+SHIFT+S to read the selected text or navigate and edit as desired.
7) Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the next piece of highlighted text or CONTROL+PAGE UP to move to the previous piece of highlighted text.

There is more on using Find in the Microsoft Word with NVDA eBook, available for $30 Australian from https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 1:10 AM, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:
Can NVDA recognise highlighted text in a document? And can it be navigated as swiftly as we navigate other elements in browse mode? Like jumping from heading to heading. 
This function is especially required for word.

Cheers




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NVDA and Skype

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi All,
I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound. I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback. Is there a more accessible version of Skype? Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA?
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu:
Hi,

Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on.
I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them.

Good luck

Moti



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ISRAEL

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but
a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing
this up again.









Re: NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

I know that, for news feed, characters from posts are on separate lines, and looks like it has to do with Edge.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi Joseph,

 

It is on the mobile site.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

Is this on Mobile site or the desktop version of Facebook?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I have an edge question.  When I am on the facebook page when I am reading down the page items are spoken twice.  I  am using the latest win10 and nvda.  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

The answer can be found on the following website:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/wiki/W10Changelog

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

It was my understanding that NVDA doesn't support Edge at all right now. Am I wrong?


Re: NVDA and Edge browser

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

It is on the mobile site.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

Is this on Mobile site or the desktop version of Facebook?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I have an edge question.  When I am on the facebook page when I am reading down the page items are spoken twice.  I  am using the latest win10 and nvda.  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

The answer can be found on the following website:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/wiki/W10Changelog

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

It was my understanding that NVDA doesn't support Edge at all right now. Am I wrong?


Re: NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

Is this on Mobile site or the desktop version of Facebook?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I have an edge question.  When I am on the facebook page when I am reading down the page items are spoken twice.  I  am using the latest win10 and nvda.  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

The answer can be found on the following website:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/wiki/W10Changelog

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

It was my understanding that NVDA doesn't support Edge at all right now. Am I wrong?


Re: NVDA and Edge browser

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I have an edge question.  When I am on the facebook page when I am reading down the page items are spoken twice.  I  am using the latest win10 and nvda.  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,

The answer can be found on the following website:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/wiki/W10Changelog

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

 

It was my understanding that NVDA doesn't support Edge at all right now. Am I wrong?


Re: NVDA and Edge browser

 

Hi,
Both, because UIA does not expose this, and NVDA can't locate that unless UIA says that.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 4:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Edge browser

does the lack of being able to get to visited links when using Edge fall on a NVDA issue or Edge issue?


Re: NVDA and Edge browser

Don H
 

does the lack of being able to get to visited links when using Edge fall on a NVDA issue or Edge issue?


Re: NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Jason White
 

It mostly works, especially if you install the BrailleExtender add-on to provide translation table switching and a myriad of additional braille display commands.

If I suspend the laptop, resume from suspend mode, and log in, the Focus display is lost immediately after log-in and I have to re-initialize the driver with NVDA+k (a command provided by BrailleExtender).

Other than that and some translation table issues, it works very well.

On 7/11/18, 17:38, "Lisa P Geibel" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of lisapgeibel429@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but a
friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing this
up again.