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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
It would also be helpful if NVDA could pause at the end of a line where there is a hard return. This would not only make poetry reading more enjoyable, but it would also make it easier to spot hard returns when editing a document. In other words, you may have accidentally press the Enter key while typing a sentence and not realize it. I've done this myself a few times.
System Access pauses at the ends of lines where there are hard returns, so I can't imagine why NVDA couldn't be programmed to do the same. Of course some people may not want this feature, so perhaps it could be turned on or off in the preferences or with a hot key.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.
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Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension. Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for now on out.
On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: latest NVDA & "clean my pc"
Can you try the clean my pc app for free as a trial and see where that gets you? Maybe if you can, you can see if it is accessible, at least parts of it you can try.
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On Jul 13, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:
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latest NVDA & "clean my pc"
Jessica D <jldail13@...>
Hi,
I have a Mac, running windows via bootcamp. I’m going to buy “clean my Mac.” However, the company has a bundle for both Mac & pc. Has anyone on this list used “clean my pc” with the latest version of NVDA? Does it work well? Thanks, Jessica
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Re: Problem with Skype
Joshua Hendrickson
I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
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list on the skype support page. I think skype 7 was easier to use, but skype 8 is not as hard to use as I first thought. One thing I do do with skype 8 is when I hit the button of someone I want to call, is shift tab back to audio call button. These hotkeys will make things even easier.
On 7/13/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my --
Joshua Hendrickson Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Hi,
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In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808). Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me. Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better. On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.
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On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:
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Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Good day,
Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC. Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser. Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA. NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content. Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert. I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice! The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times. Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again. Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking. Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.) Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of. By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts: Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more. -Kenny
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Re: Request for a new NVDA feature
Akshaya Choudhary
@JMCasey can you give me the Topic of the thread?
-- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Gene
I didn't experiment with the graphic link in
Firefox. I'm not sure what accounts for the difference between Chrome and
Firefox. But that's very interesting. I'll play with the site with
Firefox again.
Gene
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From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one
o' those) Yes, I understand. I used Firefox ESR, and IE. Now I have discovered that if I press “g” to move to graphic after selecting one of the titles, and then hit enter, I can access the shop using Firefox, but I think I was missing that info before. jAWS also does not seem to detect that particular graphic link at all, or at least not consistently (though I was able to access the shop once using it all the same), but NVDA does ok with it, and armed with this particular piece of knowledge, I’ve at least been able to make a lot more progress than previously.
Thanks.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Here is more information and its important.
I just checked the site using Firefox and it appears the buttons aren't seen by Firefox. I am using the older 52.x ESR version so I don't know if quantum sees the buttons. I had previously checked with Chrome and I saw the buttons.
So everything I said in my last message is important to keep in mind on unfamiliar pages but also, it is very important to have more than one browser available and to check sites with more than one if the site isn't useable with the one being used. At times, the difference is dramatic.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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Re: Request for a new NVDA feature
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
I find the pauses SAPI5 uses to be unbearably long. Tyler Spivy, I think it was, who posts on this list, provided a solution. You can adjust the pauses to the length of your choice by editing an .ini file deep within Windows. However, every time there is a major windows update, your settings are revoked, it seems.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA. SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses. For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Yes, I understand. I used Firefox ESR, and IE. Now I have discovered that if I press “g” to move to graphic after selecting one of the titles, and then hit enter, I can access the shop using Firefox, but I think I was missing that info before. jAWS also does not seem to detect that particular graphic link at all, or at least not consistently (though I was able to access the shop once using it all the same), but NVDA does ok with it, and armed with this particular piece of knowledge, I’ve at least been able to make a lot more progress than previously.
Thanks.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Here is more information and its important.
I just checked the site using Firefox and it appears the buttons aren't seen by Firefox. I am using the older 52.x ESR version so I don't know if quantum sees the buttons. I had previously checked with Chrome and I saw the buttons.
So everything I said in my last message is important to keep in mind on unfamiliar pages but also, it is very important to have more than one browser available and to check sites with more than one if the site isn't useable with the one being used. At times, the difference is dramatic.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Hey Gene.
I did not see those buttons. I did not use the links list. I hardly ever do. I did search for both links and buttons, the latter of which I kind of expected to see, by arrowing around with the focus but also using the navigational keys b + shift-b. However, for some reason, they were not showing up for me at the time. Now though … after reading your message and poking at the site again, I have been able to see them by clicking on the link that says “graphic”. I do not know why this wasn’t visible for me before. When I use jAWS, it still doesn’t seem to be, but I was able to get the shop to pop up by clicking around the title headings. NVDA does seem to be doing better at this, as in, I can consistently find the graphic link and click on it to access the shop, but somehow in my experimentation I missed this before. It’s very strange. Maybe it was too early in the morning for me, but I’m now not really sure how I could have missed them. That whole dialogue starting with the audio player and containing the various buttons to stream, purchase, was simply not being read, and I don’t know why. Now that I look at the address bar I can see the url has changed to shop.bafflegab.co.uk, and I don’t think that even happened before. So it was either a site glitch or I’m much worse at this than I thought.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: July 13, 2018 11:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Did you follow the link to the page for the specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the bottom.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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Re: Problem with Skype
Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my history but didn’t lol!
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Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
I don’t think chrome has an extension to have a user agent like thing. That would be nice.
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Re: How Do I Efficiently Navigate Websites Using Dynamic onMouseOver Menus with NVDA?
Jonathan COHN
Well, you can ask them to use menus that follow the advice in the W3C ARIA authoring practices. With the addition of a few keyboard handlers, aria-expanded and role=menu and role=menuitem it is possible to make these menus accessible not only for the blind but also for people who have mobility issues.
Often times, even though they claim to be mouse over, using the enter key with NVDA will still work, since NVDA will move the mouse to the mouse over location and then do a click action. Sometimes like this will open up a sub page that has the menu items activated, but also a page associated with the main area that was associated with the mouse over. Also, it is possible to move the mouse and have NVDA read what is under the mouse. I believe that NVDA-numpad slash will route the mouse to where the NVDA focus is., which should then initiate the mouse over web action. If you have specific sites in mind, that are causing you issues, I would be glad to look at them over the weekend. Best Wishes, Jonathan Cohn On 7/13/18, 10:39 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Kenny" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote: Good day, I frequent several websites that use this annoying dynamic onMouseOver menu system to reach various sub sections of their site. Meaning you have a bunch of properly tagged graphics or text placed horizontally along the top of the page. Hover the mouse over one and a menu of options would dynamically appear vertically beneath it. Then you navigate the mouse cursor to one, and left click it. You'll then be taken to the associated sub section. Is there an efficient way of navigating such dynamic menus using NVDA Version: alpha-15495,f2cc115c? I use Google Chrome and MS Edge as my web browser. Thanks. -Kenny
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Gene
Here is more information and its
important.
I just checked the site using Firefox and it
appears the buttons aren't seen by Firefox. I am using the older 52.x ESR
version so I don't know if quantum sees the buttons. I had previously
checked with Chrome and I saw the buttons.
So everything I said in my last message is
important to keep in mind on unfamiliar pages but also, it is very important to
have more than one browser available and to check sites with more than one if
the site isn't useable with the one being used. At times, the difference
is dramatic.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one
o' those) Did you follow the link to the page for the
specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There
are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you
didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the
structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link
through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what
you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short
cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab
Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so
even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do
it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation
links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the
bottom.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o'
those) Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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Request for a new NVDA feature
Akshaya Choudhary
Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA. SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses. For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
Someone please introduce this feature. -- -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
Hahah, Hazel should definitely get an appearance fee. Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA. SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses. For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
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Re: difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o' those)
Gene
Did you follow the link to the page for the
specific product? Once there, how did you look at the page? There
are buttons on the page that say things like purchase CD. It appears you
didn't see them. Did you use the links list, that limits the
structures you are looking for to one structure? Did you only move by link
through the page by using a move to next link command? Don't limit what
you look for by structure on an unfamiliar page. If you are taking a short
cut to save time, use something that stops on almost every structure. Tab
Does. But I don't think tab stops on clickable items that aren't links so
even using tab, you may miss the structure. If you don't see it, then do
it the hard way. Read or skim each line of the page below the navigation
links at the top until you get to the navigation links, if any, at the
bottom.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] difficulty with a certain website (yes, it's one o'
those) Hello everyone.
I’ve recently had an interest in a small, independent company based in the UK that creates audio dramas and adaptations of some horror classics. They are called Bafflegab Productions, and this is their site:
I must admit that I’ve been stymied by this website. Everything *appears* to be accessible enough, except for the key element: the ability to shop for and download their materials. I’ve tried both Firefox ESR and IE so far, and used both NVDA 18.3 and JAWS 18. I’ve hunted around the site, and the only clue I’ve found so far is a reference to bandcamp in the FAQ. Having noticed some recent frustrating issues with bandcamp and screen-readers, I know this could potentially be a problem, however I do not see how this could be preventing links to shop, log in or create an account, etc, from being visible to screen-readers.
I’ve already written the head man at the company about this and explained my difficulty, but I’m writing to the list to see if anyone else wants to have a go, and/or can point me to something I might be missing that might clue me in as to how one goes about acquiring anything from these fellows if not a mouse/screen user. I haven’t yet had a sighted person look at the website to see what they might make of it, but that’s also a next step. I’m hoping to get some kind of accessibility dialogue going with the company, so am trying to gather more info that might not immediately be apparent to me. Then again, it could be that I’m just missing something terribly obvious that someone else here could point out! So, what does anyone here make of it?
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