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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.  
 
There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.
 
But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.
 
Gene 

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

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A lot of people have a say all profile using a different synth for reading long documents with.
Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers


I have observed, Espeak and Eloquence provide a very brief pause after punctuation and sentence break, when compared to other synthesizers. Even the pause after pressing command keys is shorter. For example, while navigating a simple list menu with arrow keys, NVDA would say, DOWN ARROW, then it would speak the next item after a very brief pause. Although, I find this very useful for navigating around different applications, but for serious study of a document, it is annoying. For this purpose i prefer to use SAPI 5.
-- While reading large documents it is helpful to have slightly longer pauses, it helps you understand the text better, which is exactly the role of punctuation. Especially while reading literary works.
Is there a feature in NVDA which could let us control the duration of the pause, like we can do with speed and pitch?

Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Automatic Language Switching

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I think there you are a bit stuffed as its the page and the way browsers interpret it I suspect that is doing what you don't want it to.
I've noticed the opposite as well, some web pages supposedly en English have bits that are in English but are using some other language to pronounce them!
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From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Language Switching


But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works for any screen reader preferably.
Original message:

you can try to use dual voice
it is a nvda addon
but I have not check is to use those synthesizer
thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
George Zaynoun 於 2018/7/13 下午 01:29 寫道:
Hello!
I have to read/write much in English, Swedish and Arabic. I have
purchased the Code Factory Sapi5 Vocalizer tts but although I check
detect language if there is say Arabic and English in the text when I
make say all or read line by line it misses the Arabic and speaks the
English words only, unless I read with ctrl+arrows only then I can
listen to both languages. Is there a solution to this problem and if
not is there an app that can mix synthesizers regardless of make and
whether Sapi5 or not say like auto tts on the phone but for windows?
Thanks.


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Jeff's addon repository

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

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Could I ask those posting here who find the emails marked aas spam to remove the word when reposting?
It tends to put auto sorted messages into the spam bin otherwise locally.
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com


Funny though, I always use the mobile site too, and it works well, and I sent a link to my sighted brother to have him look at the picture to see if this was our cousin, and he said the link I sent him gave him a page that was messed up on his computer. He said it was a page for a person with that name, but he could not make sense of it.

So maybe the mobile site is not good for people not using a screenreader.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

Hi guys!
The mobile site of Facebook,
m.facebook.com
works the very best in IE 11
That is the only site I use in IE LOL! I like it better than Firefox, Even.
I have tried using Chrome and Edge for using the mobile site, and it is a lot different.
It is tricky LOL!
Have a great one, guys!
David Moore
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From: Claire Potter<mailto:claire.potter99@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com


Hi, I know exactly what you mean, for that reason I use Firefox, it actually works.

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 12/07/2018 20:23, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Hi folks
I am making my first steps with chrome.
I find that sometimes buttons and elements are not clickable in m.facebook.com and that the tab key is not always responding normally.
F.e. if you click on a friend and wants him or her to be defriended, you can’t find that item or click the friend or follow button. I have already changed some settings like adding some accessibility tools to read webpages with the arrow keys and disabled the hardware accelerators which often is advised when working with screenreaders.
Regards
Davy






Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

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I think, then that somebody needs to talk the Facebook and tell them their mobile page is used by blind people on pcs, and could they put a toggle on there so it recognises if you are using a screenreader and allows normal rather than mobile access to the page. I am not on facebook but this issue seems to have been an undercurrent for some time and I feel if nobody tells Facebook they will in time lock out anyone going to that page who is on a normal computer unless you can spoof a pretend mobile or something is actually on the end.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com


Hi guys!
The mobile site of Facebook,
m.facebook.com
works the very best in IE 11
That is the only site I use in IE LOL! I like it better than Firefox, Even.
I have tried using Chrome and Edge for using the mobile site, and it is a lot different.
It is tricky LOL!
Have a great one, guys!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Claire Potter
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

Hi, I know exactly what you mean, for that reason I use Firefox, it actually works.
Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 12/07/2018 20:23, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Hi folks
I am making my first steps with chrome.
I find that sometimes buttons and elements are not clickable in m.facebook.com and that the tab key is not always responding normally.
F.e. if you click on a friend and wants him or her to be defriended, you can’t find that item or click the friend or follow button. I have already changed some settings like adding some accessibility tools to read webpages with the arrow keys and disabled the hardware accelerators which often is advised when working with screenreaders.
Regards
Davy


Re: NVDA and Skype

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Well I never got far on windows 7 myself. but its actually amazing how much time I now have since Skype has been gon!!

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From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Many thanks Sarah.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype



Id you check your communications properties? I had that problem until I set it to none.



1. Hot windows b

2. Go to speaker and hit the context key

3. Control tab to communications

4. Set the radio button to none and hit ok.



Take care





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Well that is a strange one. Does this mean all sounds are muted all the time?

I used to find it annoying that Skype took control of inputs and outputs every time I ran it and then forgot to put stuff back when you had finished. As I mostly use line level this was really annoying.
I seldom use Skype these days. many people I know tend to use their mobile for Skype now to leave their desktop unpoluted, so to speak!

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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Hi All,
I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound. I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback. Is there a more accessible version of Skype? Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA?
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu:



Hi,

Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on.
I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them.

Good luck

Moti



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ISRAEL

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lisa P Geibel
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but
a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing
this up again.


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Gary Metzler
 

Hi,

Is there an addon for edge? Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 12:56 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny



Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Gene
 

That's unfortunate.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Hi,

No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,

No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,
I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons:
1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds).
2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds.
3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on.

For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because:
1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not.
2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on).

There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for
now on out.


On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny







Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Gene
 

In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window.  If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once.  That may be the case in Edge as well.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to
invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently
been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It
also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most
of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump
through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of
Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to
do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional
Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed
in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page
content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire
pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and
[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to
hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being
released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is
implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications
more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean
they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider
testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and
stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the
bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping
Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard
shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start
using it more.

-Kenny



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Gary Metzler
 

Just a test.

 

Regards, Gary KN4Ox

Send to: gmtravel@...

 


Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

It would also be helpful if NVDA could pause at the end of a line where there is a hard return. This would not only make poetry reading more enjoyable, but it would also make it easier to spot hard returns when editing a document. In other words, you may have accidentally press the Enter key while typing a sentence and not realize it. I've done this myself a few times.

System Access pauses at the ends of lines where there are hard returns, so I can't imagine why NVDA couldn't be programmed to do the same. Of course some people may not want this feature, so perhaps it could be turned on or off in the preferences or with a hot key.


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for now on out.

On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny






Re: latest NVDA & "clean my pc"

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you try the clean my pc app for free as a trial and see where that gets you? Maybe if you can, you can see if it is accessible, at least parts of it you can try.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Jessica D <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
I have a Mac, running windows via bootcamp.

I’m going to buy “clean my Mac.”
However, the company has a bundle for both Mac & pc.

Has anyone on this list used “clean my pc” with the latest version of NVDA?

Does it work well?

Thanks,
Jessica




latest NVDA & "clean my pc"

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I have a Mac, running windows via bootcamp.

I’m going to buy “clean my Mac.”
However, the company has a bundle for both Mac & pc.

Has anyone on this list used “clean my pc” with the latest version of NVDA?

Does it work well?

Thanks,
Jessica


Re: Problem with Skype

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
list on the skype support page. I think skype 7 was easier to use,
but skype 8 is not as hard to use as I first thought. One thing I do
do with skype 8 is when I hit the button of someone I want to call, is
shift tab back to audio call button. These hotkeys will make things
even easier.

On 7/13/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my
history but didn’t lol!

On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:52 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi!
The Skype app has become much more accessible!
Here is a table of key commands for the skype app.
The table gives the Windows and the Mac command for each action.
Here it is:
What are hotkeys and how do I use them in Skype?
Keyboard shortcuts are specific combinations of two or more keys on your
keyboard. They make it easier and faster for you to use commands that you
would otherwise have to access via the menus. You can use keyboard
shortcuts to easily quit Skype, send a file, copy text and a lot more.
Hotkeys in Skype (version 8) for Windows Desktop, and Mac
Windows desktop Hotkey
Mac Hotkey
Action
Not applicable
[Command]+[1]
Open the main Skype window
Ctrl + I
[Command]+Shift+[O]
Open Notification panel
Ctrl + , (Ctrl + comma)
[Command]+[Comma]
Open app settings
Ctrl + H
Not applicable
Open Help in default browser
Ctrl + D
[Command]+[2]
Launch main dial pad
Ctrl + N
[Command]+[N]
Start new conversation
Ctrl + G
[Command]+[G]
New group
Ctrl + F
[Command]+[F]
Search for all contacts, messages and bots
Ctrl + Shift + S
[Command]+Shift+[S]
Search within selected message
Alt + 1
Not applicable
Navigate to recent chats
Alt + 2
[Command]+Shift+[C]
Open contacts
Alt + 3
[Command]+Shift+[B]
Open contact screen to bots
Ctrl + O
[Command]+Option+[O]
Send feedback
Ctrl + R
[Command]+[R]
Refresh the app
Ctrl + T
[Command]+[T]
Open themes
Ctrl + Shift + T
[Command]+Shift+[T]
Toggle between light and dark mode
Use Alt + V to bring up the View menu to zoom in, out, or return to actual
size
Ctrl + Shift + = to zoom in
Ctrl + - to zoom out
Ctrl + 0 for actual size
Use the View button to zoom in, out, or return to actual size
[Command]+[+] to zoom in
[Command]+[-] to zoom out
[Command]+[0] for actual size
Zoom in, zoom out, or view actual size
Up arrow after sending a message
[Command]+Shift+[E]
Edit the last message sent
Ctrl + P
[Command]+[I]
Show conversation profile
Ctrl + Shift + A
[Command]+Shift+[A]
Add people to conversation
Ctrl + Shift + U
[Command]+Shift+[U]
Mark as unread
Ctrl + Shift + K
[Command]+Shift+[K]
Start a video call
Ctrl + Shift + P
[Command]+Shift+[R]
Start an audio call
Ctrl + Shift + F
[Command]+Shift+[F]
Send a file
Enter
Return
Start a PSTN call
Ctrl + Shift + G
[Command]+Shift+[G]
Open gallery
Ctrl + S
[Command]+[S]
Take a snapshot
Ctrl + E
[Command]+Shift+[H]
Hang up
Ctrl + M
[Command]+Shift+[M]
Toggle mute
Down Arrow
[Command]+[Down Arrow]
Select the next message in the chat list
Up Arrow
[Command]+[Up Arrow]
Select the previous message in the chat list

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: P. Otter <mailto:pam.otter@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

hi, tell me about it!
for a long time from the begin it was'nt accessible.
for example, it was'nt possible to pickup a call with a shortcut.
also to end a call.
if it is changed, tell me about it.
as far i know it was not accessible.
thanks in advance
paul otter


Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David Moore:
Wow!
The Skype app for Win10 is very accessible, and so is Web Skype where you
do everything right on a Skype website!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

From: Marco Oros <mailto:marco.oros93@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

OK, maybe You didn't understand My pleasure. I would like to use
accessible version of Skype, but I can't log in to previous version,
which seens to be accessible.
Note: Skype 8 isn't very well accessible.








--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny



Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny