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Re: NVDA and Skype
I agree, while some business was on skype I don't need it for business, and while you can still get classic, and yes while I can simply use it to record a lot of people in the family are using whatsapp now.
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The amount of time I actually need a digital phone as such has dropped and has been like that for 2 or 3 years now. Local and mobile phones are the way for me now. If a skype phone ever gets accessible enough to use then maybe I use it. But to be honest, skype7 will be my version till it doesn't work, Sadly just like in xp, as far as I care skype is crap not because it is but the way ms has gone about it is. I am happy classic is still up, thanks for that, but I'd prefer if ms just never updated skype classic ever again and left us to our own devices. Heck, even if they took all sponsorship, adds, extras like facebook and limited it to ms account only, there are others that agree with me online. Because of what has happened, I simply have had to shift my business to other platforms, luckily the stuff that should have gone on skype never happened, and to be honest, if skype really does start going to shut down, I will simply clear my contacts for skype, and simply never sign on again ever. Sadly, ms has eroded their ms account so much, skype, music, books, the potential and apps was enourmous. The app thing has never worked for me as such skype is well usage dropped and now the apps and such are hmmm, they have dropped music. Bar onedrive and office 360 which still may work there is like almost no reason to even bother with ms anything. Hopefully there will be a reason to use win10, actually the only real reason for me is I have knfb reader on my store account, thats about it though. And its debaitable if I even need that. I will be getting another newer system sooner or later, and I was thinking of a windows one a new one, but I know there are still 6th gen systems about. Those can run win7 and I just happen to have a copy of win7 about, I am seriously not impressed, true Ionly have 3-5 years left but on the other hand, if my system suddenly goes, in the short term my plan will to get another win7 or xp system, long term, I don't know where I will go, I need a windows system at least for games, the rest I will have to decide.
On 7/14/2018 7:54 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well I never got far on windows 7 myself. but its actually amazing how much time I now have since Skype has been gon!!
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via Voice or a very old copy used with Jaws prehistoric versions!
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If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of them come from. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository Hi! I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.
Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you.
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I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.) Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall. Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way?
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Re: Problem with Skype
To be honest, skype classic works, on win10 you can run what skype you want.
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Saying this, after leaving nvda skype group and all my other skype groups I have simply decided to not use skype, even for work, I don't need it but I can't have microsoft monkeying round either. I will pay for calls or use email from now on.
On 7/14/2018 5:22 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be
purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program
that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be
purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the
Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't
have these artifacts.
There are demos of both Eloquence
speech programs available so you can try them.
But regarding your original question, the list
doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list
policy.
Gene
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I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
A lot of people have a say all profile using a different synth for reading long documents with.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:45 AM Subject: [nvda] pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers I have observed, Espeak and Eloquence provide a very brief pause after punctuation and sentence break, when compared to other synthesizers. Even the pause after pressing command keys is shorter. For example, while navigating a simple list menu with arrow keys, NVDA would say, DOWN ARROW, then it would speak the next item after a very brief pause. Although, I find this very useful for navigating around different applications, but for serious study of a document, it is annoying. For this purpose i prefer to use SAPI 5. -- While reading large documents it is helpful to have slightly longer pauses, it helps you understand the text better, which is exactly the role of punctuation. Especially while reading literary works. Is there a feature in NVDA which could let us control the duration of the pause, like we can do with speed and pitch? Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Automatic Language Switching
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think there you are a bit stuffed as its the page and the way browsers interpret it I suspect that is doing what you don't want it to.
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I've noticed the opposite as well, some web pages supposedly en English have bits that are in English but are using some other language to pronounce them! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@samobile.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Language Switching But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works for any screen reader preferably.
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Jeff's addon repository
Akshaya Choudhary
Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Could I ask those posting here who find the emails marked aas spam to remove the word when reposting?
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It tends to put auto sorted messages into the spam bin otherwise locally. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com Funny though, I always use the mobile site too, and it works well, and I sent a link to my sighted brother to have him look at the picture to see if this was our cousin, and he said the link I sent him gave him a page that was messed up on his computer. He said it was a page for a person with that name, but he could not make sense of it.
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Re: chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think, then that somebody needs to talk the Facebook and tell them their mobile page is used by blind people on pcs, and could they put a toggle on there so it recognises if you are using a screenreader and allows normal rather than mobile access to the page. I am not on facebook but this issue seems to have been an undercurrent for some time and I feel if nobody tells Facebook they will in time lock out anyone going to that page who is on a normal computer unless you can spoof a pretend mobile or something is actually on the end.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com Hi guys! The mobile site of Facebook, m.facebook.com works the very best in IE 11 That is the only site I use in IE LOL! I like it better than Firefox, Even. I have tried using Chrome and Edge for using the mobile site, and it is a lot different. It is tricky LOL! Have a great one, guys! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Claire Potter Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com Hi, I know exactly what you mean, for that reason I use Firefox, it actually works. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/ On 12/07/2018 20:23, Davy Cuppens wrote: Hi folks I am making my first steps with chrome. I find that sometimes buttons and elements are not clickable in m.facebook.com and that the tab key is not always responding normally. F.e. if you click on a friend and wants him or her to be defriended, you can’t find that item or click the friend or follow button. I have already changed some settings like adding some accessibility tools to read webpages with the arrow keys and disabled the hardware accelerators which often is advised when working with screenreaders. Regards Davy
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Re: NVDA and Skype
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well I never got far on windows 7 myself. but its actually amazing how much time I now have since Skype has been gon!!
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From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Many thanks Sarah. Pascal From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:20 PM To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Id you check your communications properties? I had that problem until I set it to none. 1. Hot windows b 2. Go to speaker and hit the context key 3. Control tab to communications 4. Set the radio button to none and hit ok. Take care On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > wrote: Well that is a strange one. Does this mean all sounds are muted all the time? I used to find it annoying that Skype took control of inputs and outputs every time I ran it and then forgot to put stuff back when you had finished. As I mostly use line level this was really annoying. I seldom use Skype these days. many people I know tend to use their mobile for Skype now to leave their desktop unpoluted, so to speak! Brian <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" < <mailto:rambeau68@gmail.com> rambeau68@gmail.com> To: < <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:39 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Hi All, I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound. I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback. Is there a more accessible version of Skype? Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA? Many thanks Blessings Pascal -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages... Regards, Rui Fontes Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu: Hi, Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on. I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them. Good luck Moti Moti Azrad Musician and Piano Tuner motia@013.net <mailto:motia@013.net> motiaz@gmail.com <mailto:motiaz@gmail.com> azrad_moty@hotmail.com <mailto:azrad_moty@hotmail.com> ISRAEL -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lisa P Geibel Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays Hi, I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing this up again.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Gary Metzler
Hi,
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Is there an addon for edge? Thanks
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 12:56 PM To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me. Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better. On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Gene
That's unfortunate.
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on
Me. Hi, No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window. If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once. That may be the case in Edge as well.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenny Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Good day,
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Hi, No, that’s not the case in Microsoft Edge, as Control+F6 does nothing. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:18 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through different parts of the window. If you want to move from anywhere in the main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there if you issue the command once. That may be the case in Edge as well.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenny Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Good day,
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Hi,
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I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons: 1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds). 2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds. 3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on. For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because: 1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not. 2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on). There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me. This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge. Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension. Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for now on out. On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Gene
In Internet Explorer, f6 moves you through
different parts of the window. If you want to move from anywhere in the
main window to the page display part of the window, control f6 moves you there
if you issue the command once. That may be the case in Edge as
well.
Gene
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From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on
Me. Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC. Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser. Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA. NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content. Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert. I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice! The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times. Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again. Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking. Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.) Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of. By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts: Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more. -Kenny
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Gary Metzler
Just a test.
Regards, Gary KN4Ox Send to: gmtravel@...
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
It would also be helpful if NVDA could pause at the end of a line where there is a hard return. This would not only make poetry reading more enjoyable, but it would also make it easier to spot hard returns when editing a document. In other words, you may have accidentally press the Enter key while typing a sentence and not realize it. I've done this myself a few times.
System Access pauses at the ends of lines where there are hard returns, so I can't imagine why NVDA couldn't be programmed to do the same. Of course some people may not want this feature, so perhaps it could be turned on or off in the preferences or with a hot key.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.
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Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension. Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for now on out.
On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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