Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Gene
If you are a blind person, you may not see the
bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with
the installers. While you should use the custom installation option, that
is no guarantee as a blind person. And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and
should be used, doesn't know about everything.
I would say that, before installing anything free,
blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind
computer users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want: 1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule. 2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices. You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Perhaps I’m missing something, but why do people like cCleaner so much that it’s worth having around despite all this other nonsense?
I installed it for a while on an old XP machine. It did some “cleaning” of the registry and maybe my computer was ever so slightly faster at certain tasks for a short period of time. Knowing what I think I know now, I wouldn’t voluntarily put a registry cleaner on my machine. Almost every tech writer and website advises against it. The reason of course is that neither Ccleaner nor any other programme understands you and your needs, or, really, your registry, and why certain things might be there. I think you’d almost be better off going through by hand when you uninstall a programme and deleting all the entries left behind. Time-consuming, certainly, and still potentially dangerous – but if you don’t know what you are about, why muck about with the registry anyway?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
Sent: July 13, 2018 6:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
Hi, I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.
I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.
On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Desiree Oudinot
Hi, I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.
I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.
I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never
seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done
something to trigger it. But perhaps not.
On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Gene
But this isn't a download during
installation. This is a download that happens at other times. it's
common that free software offers downloads that are unwanted during download,
not at times other than during downloads.
So I wouldn't assume that the continued
reinstallations are caused by CCleaner.
But if you want to stop it, you might be able to do
so by putting the address of wherever the Avast file is being downloaded from,
assumedly, the avast site, in the host file regarding URLS and have the host
file direct browsers on the machine to a location where nothing exists. I
don't know technically how this is done but others on the list may. Or
this may be a question for a site like Bleeping Computer.
or there may be other solutions you might get from
a site like Bleeping Computer.
Gene
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From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I guess this is the free version that’s doing this
As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product
Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃
From: Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.
Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian
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Edge to the desktop
ely.r@...
Had to look again how I did this. Not sure why MS hid the location as they did. Anyway, the link below is to a quick tutorial. When I found it, it was an ah ha been here moment.
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Good luck, Rick https://www.tipsdotcom.com/microsoft-edge-desktop-shortcut.html Dr. Rick Ely TVI, Vision Consultant 451 Rocky Hill Road Florence, MA 01062 &413() 727-3038
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me. I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Cristóbal
Can’t beat portable versions either. I have my portable installers in my Google Drive folder and thus am able to access them from either one of my machines. Open and close them as I wish.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Automatic Language Switching
Jonathan COHN
It is fairly straight forward for web developers to have multi-lingual pages, though in order for a screen reder to switch languages it is essential that the "lang" attribute be used to switch the languages. For Arabic and Hebrew languages that are written right to left, I believe one nees to set an attribute to tell the web browser that line orientation has changed also.
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So: <span lang="en> will set the text within the span to be English. In Microsoft Word one needs to adjust the language in the proofing area of the ribbon. On 7/13/18, 4:09 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: I think there you are a bit stuffed as its the page and the way browsers interpret it I suspect that is doing what you don't want it to. I've noticed the opposite as well, some web pages supposedly en English have bits that are in English but are using some other language to pronounce them! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@samobile.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Language Switching > But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works > for any screen reader preferably. > Original message: > >> you can try to use dual voice >> it is a nvda addon >> but I have not check is to use those synthesizer > >> thank you for much >> Logo Kuo from Taiwan > >> George Zaynoun 於 2018/7/13 下午 01:29 寫道: >>> Hello! >>> I have to read/write much in English, Swedish and Arabic. I have >>> purchased the Code Factory Sapi5 Vocalizer tts but although I check >>> detect language if there is say Arabic and English in the text when I >>> make say all or read line by line it misses the Arabic and speaks the >>> English words only, unless I read with ctrl+arrows only then I can >>> listen to both languages. Is there a solution to this problem and if >>> not is there an app that can mix synthesizers regardless of make and >>> whether Sapi5 or not say like auto tts on the phone but for windows? >>> Thanks. > > > >> > > -- > Georges Zeinoun > Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN > Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 Mobile: +46 (70) 366 63 29 > > > >
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.
If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want: 1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule. 2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices. You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Chris
I guess this is the free version that’s doing this
As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product
Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28 To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.
Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Devin Prater
This is the stand-alone addon, and yes, is unfortunately against US and other country copyright law.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:02 PM Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote: -- yeah that would be great Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Hi,
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As for the try build being more useful with various apps, I wouldn't make that conclusion way early, as there are bugs to be found and fixed. The best comparison would be if the add-on is installed on current release and alpha builds. As for using other builds as portable versions (if I'm getting your statement right), it's up to you. But my advice still stands: the try build is something you should not use as a primary driver (that is, as an installed copy). Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me. Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you. I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.) Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall. Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way? On 7/13/2018 2:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi,
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Akshaya Choudhary
-- yeah that would be great Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Many people are using the legal Eloquence with NVDA
so I expect that information will be forthcoming.
Gene
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From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices. Kenny Peyatt jr.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Hi!
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Don H
I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Kenny Peyattt jr.
I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices. Kenny Peyatt jr.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Hi!
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Encouraging the use of illegal software is not
allowed on list and that includes praising or comparing it to other
software.
Gene Asner, Moderator
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better. The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence, you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed off with that. Well one at least. Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point. On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote: > That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. > > There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. > > But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sociohack AC > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository > > > Hi! > I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? >
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
How to set up a different say all profile? --
Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Your message may have the effect of discouraging
use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work. The
kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons
like the Dectalk Express add on. That add on allows the Dectalk Express to
work with NVDA. You are told in the information for that Add On that you
need the Dectalk Express to use it. The DecTalk Express is an external
synthesizer. So of course you need the synthesizer.
I believe there is an add on that allows the Double
Talk synthesizer to work as well. I assume the same warning is given
because that is an external synthesizer.
I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons
are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and,
of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page
may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future. But
we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons. Those that talk about
needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with
external synthesizers.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via Voice or a very old copy used with Jaws prehistoric versions! If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of them come from. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository Hi! I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Well to be honest, the last time it happened I was able to run system restore.
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If you watch for the sneaky checkbox, you can catch it but you need to be super damn carefull when you run things. To be honest, ccleaner is getting more and more malware like, if I could have something that would work even if I had to donate or pay a little for support maybe. In the old days there used to be a program suite I used before it became evil crappy crapware by symontech. It was called norton system works, it had a windows fixer, a reg cleaner, a disk cleaner, a disk defrag and disk diagnosis and a system info tool. It did all I needed, it fixed issues before they became a problem, it was cpu intensive but it was accessible and in pure english. That all changed in 2003 though. There are still people that use it but its inaccessible crap now and is the first thing I get rid of. Worst for users that run out of subscription they happily get virused, a cousin that got a virus got it so bad he had to reformat all his computers, and lost everything, it was revealed he had run out of virus subscription that week. Its also why I won't go to subscription software, people do run out not intentionally but they do, its not fair to not be protected because they forgot, even if the software went back to a semi non functional state but thats the way it was.
On 7/14/2018 8:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Akshaya Choudhary
Alright. Thanks for the info!
-- Regards, Sociohack
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