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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

If you are a blind person, you may not see the bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with the installers.  While you should use the custom installation option, that is no guarantee as a blind person.  And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and should be used, doesn't know about everything. 
 
I would say that, before installing anything free, blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind computer users.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Perhaps I’m missing something, but why do people like cCleaner so much that it’s worth having around despite all this other nonsense?

 

I installed it for a while on an old XP machine. It did some “cleaning” of the registry and maybe my computer was ever so slightly faster at certain tasks for a short period of time. Knowing what I think I know now, I wouldn’t voluntarily put a registry cleaner on my machine. Almost every tech writer and website advises against it. The reason of course is that neither Ccleaner nor any other programme understands you and your needs, or, really, your registry, and why certain things might be there. I think you’d almost be better off going through by hand when you uninstall a programme and deleting all the entries left behind. Time-consuming, certainly, and still potentially dangerous – but if you don’t know what you are about, why muck about with the registry anyway?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
Sent: July 13, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.

 

I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.

 

I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.

 

On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 

 

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 

 

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 

 

I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM

Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Desiree Oudinot
 

Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.


I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.


I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.


On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

But this isn't a download during installation.  This is a download that happens at other times.  it's common that free software offers downloads that are unwanted during download, not at times other than during downloads. 
 
So I wouldn't assume that the continued reinstallations are caused by CCleaner.
 
But if you want to stop it, you might be able to do so by putting the address of wherever the Avast file is being downloaded from, assumedly, the avast site, in the host file regarding URLS and have the host file direct browsers on the machine to a location where nothing exists.  I don't know technically how this is done but others on the list may.  Or this may be a question for a site like Bleeping Computer.
 
or there may be other solutions you might get from a site like Bleeping Computer.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

 

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

 

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃

 

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and

removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a

suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the

background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the

blue  comes up as installing.

 

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.

Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and

blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active

impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.

Any ideas?

Brian

 

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Edge to the desktop

ely.r@...
 

Had to look again how I did this. Not sure why MS hid the location as they did. Anyway, the link below is to a quick tutorial. When I found it, it was an ah ha been here moment.
Good luck,
Rick
https://www.tipsdotcom.com/microsoft-edge-desktop-shortcut.html

Dr. Rick Ely
TVI, Vision Consultant
451 Rocky Hill Road
Florence, MA 01062
&413() 727-3038

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.
Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Cristóbal
 

Can’t beat portable versions either.

I have my portable installers in my Google Drive folder and thus am able to access them from either one of my machines. Open and close them as I wish.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: Automatic Language Switching

Jonathan COHN
 

It is fairly straight forward for web developers to have multi-lingual pages, though in order for a screen reder to switch languages it is essential that the "lang" attribute be used to switch the languages. For Arabic and Hebrew languages that are written right to left, I believe one nees to set an attribute to tell the web browser that line orientation has changed also.

So:
<span lang="en> will set the text within the span to be English.
In Microsoft Word one needs to adjust the language in the proofing area of the ribbon.


On 7/13/18, 4:09 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I think there you are a bit stuffed as its the page and the way browsers
interpret it I suspect that is doing what you don't want it to.
I've noticed the opposite as well, some web pages supposedly en English
have bits that are in English but are using some other language to pronounce
them!
Brian

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From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Language Switching


> But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works
> for any screen reader preferably.
> Original message:
>
>> you can try to use dual voice
>> it is a nvda addon
>> but I have not check is to use those synthesizer
>
>> thank you for much
>> Logo Kuo from Taiwan
>
>> George Zaynoun 於 2018/7/13 下午 01:29 寫道:
>>> Hello!
>>> I have to read/write much in English, Swedish and Arabic. I have
>>> purchased the Code Factory Sapi5 Vocalizer tts but although I check
>>> detect language if there is say Arabic and English in the text when I
>>> make say all or read line by line it misses the Arabic and speaks the
>>> English words only, unless I read with ctrl+arrows only then I can
>>> listen to both languages. Is there a solution to this problem and if
>>> not is there an app that can mix synthesizers regardless of make and
>>> whether Sapi5 or not say like auto tts on the phone but for windows?
>>> Thanks.
>
>
>
>>
>
> --
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Brian Vogel
 

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Chris
 

I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

 

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

 

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃

 

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and

removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a

suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the

background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the

blue  comes up as installing.

 

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually

stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.

Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and

blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active

impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very

annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.

Any ideas?

Brian

 

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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Devin Prater
 

This is the stand-alone addon, and yes, is unfortunately against US and other country copyright law.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:02 PM Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:

-- yeah that would be great 
Regards, 
Sociohack




















--

Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
As for the try build being more useful with various apps, I wouldn't make that conclusion way early, as there are bugs to be found and fixed. The best comparison would be if the add-on is installed on current release and alpha builds.
As for using other builds as portable versions (if I'm getting your statement right), it's up to you. But my advice still stands: the try build is something you should not use as a primary driver (that is, as an installed copy).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you.


I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.)

Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall.


Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way?


On 7/13/2018 2:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons:
1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds).
2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds.
3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on.

For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because:
1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not.
2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on).

There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for
now on out.


On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny
Re: Jeff's addon repository

Akshaya Choudhary
 


-- yeah that would be great 
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Many people are using the legal Eloquence with NVDA so I expect that information will be forthcoming.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack

Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Don H
 

I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.
Re: Jeff's addon repository

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack

Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Encouraging the use of illegal software is not allowed on list and that includes praising or comparing it to other software. 
 
Gene Asner, Moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

My responce to this and I say it for all users, the cracked version is
better.

The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence,
you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else
you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed
off with that.

Well one at least.

Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but
still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like
it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I
won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a
synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point.




On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:
> That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.
>
> There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.
>
> But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Sociohack AC
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository
>
>
> Hi!
> I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?
>
Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Akshaya Choudhary
 

How to set up a different say all profile? --
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 
 
I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 
 
I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

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Sociohack
Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Shaun Everiss
 

Well to be honest, the last time it happened I was able to run system restore.

If you watch for the sneaky checkbox, you can catch it but you need to be super damn carefull when you run things.

To be honest, ccleaner is getting more and more malware like, if I could have something that would work even if I had to donate or pay a little for support maybe.

In the old days there used to be a program suite I used before it became evil crappy crapware by symontech.

It was called norton system works, it had a windows fixer, a reg cleaner, a disk cleaner, a disk defrag and disk diagnosis and a system info tool.

It did all I needed, it fixed issues before they became a problem, it was cpu intensive but it was accessible and in pure english.

That all changed in 2003 though.

There are still people that use it but its inaccessible crap now and is the first thing I get rid of.

Worst for users that run out of subscription they happily get virused, a cousin that got a virus got it so bad he had to reformat all his computers, and lost everything, it was revealed he had run out of virus subscription that week.

Its also why I won't go to subscription software, people do run out not intentionally but they do, its not fair to not be protected because they forgot, even if the software went back to a semi non functional state but thats the way it was.

On 7/14/2018 8:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Alright. Thanks for the info! 
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Sociohack
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