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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Akshaya Choudhary
-- yeah that would be great Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Many people are using the legal Eloquence with NVDA
so I expect that information will be forthcoming.
Gene
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From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices. Kenny Peyatt jr.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Hi!
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Don H
I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...>
I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices. Kenny Peyatt jr.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Hi!
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Encouraging the use of illegal software is not
allowed on list and that includes praising or comparing it to other
software.
Gene Asner, Moderator
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better. The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence, you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed off with that. Well one at least. Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point. On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote: > That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. > > There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. > > But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sociohack AC > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository > > > Hi! > I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? >
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
How to set up a different say all profile? --
Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
Your message may have the effect of discouraging
use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work. The
kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons
like the Dectalk Express add on. That add on allows the Dectalk Express to
work with NVDA. You are told in the information for that Add On that you
need the Dectalk Express to use it. The DecTalk Express is an external
synthesizer. So of course you need the synthesizer.
I believe there is an add on that allows the Double
Talk synthesizer to work as well. I assume the same warning is given
because that is an external synthesizer.
I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons
are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and,
of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page
may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future. But
we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons. Those that talk about
needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with
external synthesizers.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via Voice or a very old copy used with Jaws prehistoric versions! If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of them come from. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository Hi! I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Well to be honest, the last time it happened I was able to run system restore.
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If you watch for the sneaky checkbox, you can catch it but you need to be super damn carefull when you run things. To be honest, ccleaner is getting more and more malware like, if I could have something that would work even if I had to donate or pay a little for support maybe. In the old days there used to be a program suite I used before it became evil crappy crapware by symontech. It was called norton system works, it had a windows fixer, a reg cleaner, a disk cleaner, a disk defrag and disk diagnosis and a system info tool. It did all I needed, it fixed issues before they became a problem, it was cpu intensive but it was accessible and in pure english. That all changed in 2003 though. There are still people that use it but its inaccessible crap now and is the first thing I get rid of. Worst for users that run out of subscription they happily get virused, a cousin that got a virus got it so bad he had to reformat all his computers, and lost everything, it was revealed he had run out of virus subscription that week. Its also why I won't go to subscription software, people do run out not intentionally but they do, its not fair to not be protected because they forgot, even if the software went back to a semi non functional state but thats the way it was.
On 7/14/2018 8:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Akshaya Choudhary
Alright. Thanks for the info!
-- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
The easiest way is to not install it in the first place.
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I guess you will just have to reformat to get rid of it. Its a pitty ccleaner has gone this way, I still use it because its generally good and all I need to use is its cleaning function and most of the checkboxes are checked by default but to be honest, if this is its reality I don't know.
On 7/14/2018 8:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Gene
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the
problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists
I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.
How have you tried to remove Avast in the
past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove
CCleaner and see what happens?
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below
may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective
work.
I don't know how you might stop it. the
question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask
somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical
questions that range from simple to obscure.
Gene
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removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
My responce to this and I say it for all users, the cracked version is better.
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The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence, you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed off with that. Well one at least. Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point.
On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:
That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.
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Re: NVDA and Skype
I agree, while some business was on skype I don't need it for business, and while you can still get classic, and yes while I can simply use it to record a lot of people in the family are using whatsapp now.
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The amount of time I actually need a digital phone as such has dropped and has been like that for 2 or 3 years now. Local and mobile phones are the way for me now. If a skype phone ever gets accessible enough to use then maybe I use it. But to be honest, skype7 will be my version till it doesn't work, Sadly just like in xp, as far as I care skype is crap not because it is but the way ms has gone about it is. I am happy classic is still up, thanks for that, but I'd prefer if ms just never updated skype classic ever again and left us to our own devices. Heck, even if they took all sponsorship, adds, extras like facebook and limited it to ms account only, there are others that agree with me online. Because of what has happened, I simply have had to shift my business to other platforms, luckily the stuff that should have gone on skype never happened, and to be honest, if skype really does start going to shut down, I will simply clear my contacts for skype, and simply never sign on again ever. Sadly, ms has eroded their ms account so much, skype, music, books, the potential and apps was enourmous. The app thing has never worked for me as such skype is well usage dropped and now the apps and such are hmmm, they have dropped music. Bar onedrive and office 360 which still may work there is like almost no reason to even bother with ms anything. Hopefully there will be a reason to use win10, actually the only real reason for me is I have knfb reader on my store account, thats about it though. And its debaitable if I even need that. I will be getting another newer system sooner or later, and I was thinking of a windows one a new one, but I know there are still 6th gen systems about. Those can run win7 and I just happen to have a copy of win7 about, I am seriously not impressed, true Ionly have 3-5 years left but on the other hand, if my system suddenly goes, in the short term my plan will to get another win7 or xp system, long term, I don't know where I will go, I need a windows system at least for games, the rest I will have to decide.
On 7/14/2018 7:54 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well I never got far on windows 7 myself. but its actually amazing how much time I now have since Skype has been gon!!
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via Voice or a very old copy used with Jaws prehistoric versions!
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If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of them come from. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts. There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them. But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository Hi! I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.
Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you.
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I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.) Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall. Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way?
On 7/13/2018 2:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Problem with Skype
To be honest, skype classic works, on win10 you can run what skype you want.
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Saying this, after leaving nvda skype group and all my other skype groups I have simply decided to not use skype, even for work, I don't need it but I can't have microsoft monkeying round either. I will pay for calls or use email from now on.
On 7/14/2018 5:22 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
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Re: Jeff's addon repository
Gene
That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be
purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program
that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be
purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the
Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't
have these artifacts.
There are demos of both Eloquence
speech programs available so you can try them.
But regarding your original question, the list
doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list
policy.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there? -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
A lot of people have a say all profile using a different synth for reading long documents with.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:45 AM Subject: [nvda] pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers I have observed, Espeak and Eloquence provide a very brief pause after punctuation and sentence break, when compared to other synthesizers. Even the pause after pressing command keys is shorter. For example, while navigating a simple list menu with arrow keys, NVDA would say, DOWN ARROW, then it would speak the next item after a very brief pause. Although, I find this very useful for navigating around different applications, but for serious study of a document, it is annoying. For this purpose i prefer to use SAPI 5. -- While reading large documents it is helpful to have slightly longer pauses, it helps you understand the text better, which is exactly the role of punctuation. Especially while reading literary works. Is there a feature in NVDA which could let us control the duration of the pause, like we can do with speed and pitch? Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Automatic Language Switching
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I think there you are a bit stuffed as its the page and the way browsers interpret it I suspect that is doing what you don't want it to.
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I've noticed the opposite as well, some web pages supposedly en English have bits that are in English but are using some other language to pronounce them! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@samobile.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Automatic Language Switching But this is only for NVDA, where to find it? I want something that works for any screen reader preferably.
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