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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Devin Prater
 

This is the stand-alone addon, and yes, is unfortunately against US and other country copyright law.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:02 PM Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:

-- yeah that would be great 
Regards, 
Sociohack




















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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Hi,
As for the try build being more useful with various apps, I wouldn't make that conclusion way early, as there are bugs to be found and fixed. The best comparison would be if the add-on is installed on current release and alpha builds.
As for using other builds as portable versions (if I'm getting your statement right), it's up to you. But my advice still stands: the try build is something you should not use as a primary driver (that is, as an installed copy).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you.


I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.)

Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall.


Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way?


On 7/13/2018 2:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons:
1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds).
2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds.
3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on.

For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because:
1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not.
2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on).

There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for
now on out.


On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny










Re: Jeff's addon repository

Akshaya Choudhary
 


-- yeah that would be great 
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Many people are using the legal Eloquence with NVDA so I expect that information will be forthcoming.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Don H
 

I too am trying to use Edge more often. One question that I can't find the answer to is how to place a shortcut to Edge on the desktop. I see how to pin it to the start menu and task bar but not to the desktop. I tried finding the executable file for edge but can't even find that.


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

I would not download it because it is alegal. I would try purchasing the eti eloquence voices. I don’t know the site to get them from but some one on this list might be able to poast a link for you to purchase the voices.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Encouraging the use of illegal software is not allowed on list and that includes praising or comparing it to other software. 
 
Gene Asner, Moderator

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

My responce to this and I say it for all users, the cracked version is
better.

The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence,
you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else
you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed
off with that.

Well one at least.

Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but
still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like
it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I
won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a
synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point.




On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:
> That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.
>
> There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.
>
> But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Sociohack AC
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository
>
>
> Hi!
> I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?
>




Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Akshaya Choudhary
 

How to set up a different say all profile? --
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 
 
I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 
 
I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack







Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

Well to be honest, the last time it happened I was able to run system restore.

If you watch for the sneaky checkbox, you can catch it but you need to be super damn carefull when you run things.

To be honest, ccleaner is getting more and more malware like, if I could have something that would work even if I had to donate or pay a little for support maybe.

In the old days there used to be a program suite I used before it became evil crappy crapware by symontech.

It was called norton system works, it had a windows fixer, a reg cleaner, a disk cleaner, a disk defrag and disk diagnosis and a system info tool.

It did all I needed, it fixed issues before they became a problem, it was cpu intensive but it was accessible and in pure english.

That all changed in 2003 though.

There are still people that use it but its inaccessible crap now and is the first thing I get rid of.

Worst for users that run out of subscription they happily get virused, a cousin that got a virus got it so bad he had to reformat all his computers, and lost everything, it was revealed he had run out of virus subscription that week.

Its also why I won't go to subscription software, people do run out not intentionally but they do, its not fair to not be protected because they forgot, even if the software went back to a semi non functional state but thats the way it was.

On 7/14/2018 8:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Alright. Thanks for the info! 
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

The easiest way is to not install it in the first place.

I guess you will just have to reformat to get rid of it.

Its a pitty ccleaner has gone this way, I still use it because its generally good and all I need to use is its cleaning function and most of the checkboxes are checked by default but to be honest, if this is its reality I don't know.

On 7/14/2018 8:28 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't seem plausible. 
 
How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? 
 
But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. 
 
I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: Jeff's addon repository

 

My responce to this and I say it for all users, the cracked version is better.

The code factory system is a problem both for vocaliser and eloquence, you need to deactivate it each time you install a feature update else you loose the licences, I have had game developers get really brassed off with that.

Well one at least.

Personally I have the onecore voices, and old dectalk which is old but still and the old sapi5 realspeak but to be honest, even though I'd like it till I can find something which is mine especially after I buy it I won't be spending any more cash on speech maybe if acapella ever gets a synth I can afford or ivona maybe but I don't know at this point.

On 7/14/2018 8:21 AM, Gene wrote:
That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there?


Re: NVDA and Skype

 

I agree, while some business was on skype I don't need it for business, and while you can still get classic, and yes while I can simply use it to record a lot of people in the family are using whatsapp now.

The amount of time I actually need a digital phone as such has dropped and has been like that for 2 or 3 years now.

Local and mobile phones are the way for me now.

If a skype phone ever gets accessible enough to use then maybe I use it.

But to be honest, skype7 will be my version till it doesn't work,

Sadly just like in xp, as far as I care skype is crap not because it is but the way ms has gone about it is.

I am happy classic is still up, thanks for that, but I'd prefer if ms just never updated skype classic ever again and left us to our own devices.

Heck, even if they took all sponsorship, adds, extras like facebook and limited it to ms account only, there are others that agree with me online.

Because of what has happened, I simply have had to shift my business  to other platforms, luckily the stuff that should have gone on skype never happened, and to be honest, if skype really does start going to shut down, I will simply clear my contacts for skype, and simply never sign on again ever.

Sadly, ms has eroded their ms account so much, skype, music, books, the potential and apps was enourmous.

The app thing has never worked for me as such skype is well usage dropped and now the apps and such are hmmm, they have dropped music.

Bar onedrive and office 360 which still may work there is like almost no reason to even bother with ms anything.

Hopefully there will be a reason to use win10, actually the only real reason for me is I have knfb reader on my store account, thats about it though.

And its debaitable if I even need that.

I will be getting another newer system sooner or later, and I was thinking of a windows one a new one, but I know there are still 6th gen systems about.

Those can run win7 and I just happen to have a copy of win7 about, I am seriously not impressed, true Ionly have 3-5 years left but on the other hand, if my system suddenly goes, in the short term my plan will to get another win7 or xp system, long term, I don't know where I will go, I need a windows system at least for games, the rest I will have to decide.

On 7/14/2018 7:54 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well I never got far on windows 7 myself. but its actually amazing how much time I now have since Skype has been gon!!

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Many thanks Sarah.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:20 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype



Id you check your communications properties? I had that problem until I set it to none.



1. Hot windows b

2. Go to speaker and hit the context key

3. Control tab to communications

4. Set the radio button to none and hit ok.



Take care





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Well that is a strange one. Does this mean all sounds are muted all the time?

I used to find it annoying that Skype took control of inputs and outputs every time I ran it and then forgot to put stuff back when you had finished. As I mostly use line level this was really annoying.
I seldom use Skype these days. many people I know tend to use their mobile for Skype now to leave their desktop unpoluted, so to speak!

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 2:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype


Hi All,
I just installed Skype and when I tried to set up the audio, my Jay Lab speakers went silent producing a humming sound.  I am new to using Skype and I would appreciate any suggestion and/or feedback.  Is there a more accessible version of Skype?  Is there a tutorial for using Skype with NVDA?
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

In the UserGuide is the link to download the Focus driver from Freedom Scientific pages...

Regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 22:59 de 11/07/2018, Moty Azrad escreveu:



Hi,

Tell your friend that he/she, has to install the correct driver for FOCUS40, after the installation the Focus Braille display can appear in the list of the Braille displays. Then, to choose it and go on.
I've some friends here that work with NVDA and FOCUS40 and it works fine for them.

Good luck

Moti



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ISRAEL

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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Focus40 or other Braille displays

Hi,

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before and I'm rehashing it, but
a friend of mine was curious if NVDA worked with the Focus40? Does it
bring up a list of displays to choose from and how well does it work
with Braille displays if anyone here has this knowledge, I'd really
appreciate info for my friend? Thanks and again, sorry for bringing
this up again.
































Re: Jeff's addon repository

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I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via Voice or a very old copy used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of them come from.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on. Eloquence can be purchased legally. There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased. The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is safe to download from there?

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I think Avast is a virus :-)

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I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Joseph, I'm going to be honest with you.


I've tried the current releases of NVDA 2018.2, Developer's Master and this new Try Build release. The Try-Build release seems to work best on my system running the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165.)

Edge is much more responsive when using this TB release. Maybe it's some sort of fluke, but I really do like how this build works with Windows applications overall.


Could the key be is to run the other two builds in portable mode for the Try-Build I'm running that way?

On 7/13/2018 2:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I advise against making my try build the primary version of NVDA on your computer for three important reasons:
1. New NVDA developments may break the try build, and in many cases, my try build will be out of date with "reality" too quickly (once the new release process is fully implemented and things start to pour into alpha builds).
2. Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model. In other words, things can change at a blink of an eye. The try build I wrote yesterday assumes you've got Windows 10 Version 1709 (build 16299) or later, and for emoji panel in particular, it assumes Windows 10 Redstone 5. In recent weeks Microsoft made significant changes to emoji panel in Redstone 5 builds, which means certain things won't work as advertised in older and newer builds.
3. My try build is not an official NV Access try build. This means no updates, no official support from NV Access, things won't work as expected when installed, no touchscreen support (very important for certain Windows 10 features) and so on.

For all practical purposes, you should install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on until such time when I say all major features from that add-on become part of NVDA screen reader (right now, it isn't). That's because:
1. Windows 10 App Essentials uses continuous delivery model. Unlike most of my add-ons I created or maintain (except another one), there is no major or minor releases of this add-on (at least on paper). Latest stable versions do include new features from Insider Preview builds, bug fixes, needed features for NVDA users and what not.
2. This add-on serves as a public testing version of pull requests that'll be sent to Nv Access after a period of usage. In recent months, NV Access has incorporated features from this add-on into NVDA. In one particular case, Mick Curran took inspiration from my add-on for a feature, and throughout 2017, I wrote or helped writing features seen today, including search suggestion sounds (originally came from my add-on).

There are certain things the add-on cannot do due to hacks involved, but for many things, the add-on should suffice.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

This Try-Build works great Joseph. I've only installed the Mozilla Apps Enhancements and Speech History extensions. NVDA works seamlessly with various Microsoft applications, especially Edge.


Always believed it's better to incorporate Windows app improvements into the main NVDA program, without having to install an extension.


Think I may stick with this NVDA build as my primary screen reader for
now on out.


On 7/13/2018 1:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
In short, the try build I posted yesterday is really Windows 10 App Essentials add-on incorporated inside NVDA itself. For months some folks have been asking me about inclusion of features from this add-on into NVDA screen reader directly, and yesterday's try build is a taste of that. Except for roledescription in Edge, features included are part of my add-on (that reminds me: I forgot to include a crucial feature in the try build (announcing the virtual desktop you're switching to), which I'll address in Version 1808).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:56 AM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Yes. That is before the add on. I noticed that when I was on a job website yesterday. It’s very flid and works a lot better.

On Jul 13, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

Good day,


Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.


Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.


Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.


NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.


Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.


I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!


The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.


Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.


Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.


Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've
experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't
mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from
Insider testers and bug reports.)


Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.


By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:

Visit
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-short
cuts-list.html


It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.

-Kenny









Re: Problem with Skype

 

To be honest, skype classic works, on win10 you can run what skype you want.

Saying this, after leaving nvda skype group and all my other skype groups I have simply decided to not use skype, even for work, I don't need it but I can't have microsoft monkeying round either.

I will pay for calls or use email from now on.

On 7/14/2018 5:22 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:
I just did a search on google for hot keys for skype 8 and I found the
list on the skype support page. I think skype 7 was easier to use,
but skype 8 is not as hard to use as I first thought. One thing I do
do with skype 8 is when I hit the button of someone I want to call, is
shift tab back to audio call button. These hotkeys will make things
even easier.

On 7/13/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there a website where I can read this easier? I thought I kept tht in my
history but didn’t lol!

On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:52 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi!
The Skype app has become much more accessible!
Here is a table of key commands for the skype app.
The table gives the Windows and the Mac command for each action.
Here it is:
What are hotkeys and how do I use them in Skype?
Keyboard shortcuts are specific combinations of two or more keys on your
keyboard. They make it easier and faster for you to use commands that you
would otherwise have to access via the menus. You can use keyboard
shortcuts to easily quit Skype, send a file, copy text and a lot more.
Hotkeys in Skype (version 8) for Windows Desktop, and Mac
Windows desktop Hotkey
Mac Hotkey
Action
Not applicable
[Command]+[1]
Open the main Skype window
Ctrl + I
[Command]+Shift+[O]
Open Notification panel
Ctrl + , (Ctrl + comma)
[Command]+[Comma]
Open app settings
Ctrl + H
Not applicable
Open Help in default browser
Ctrl + D
[Command]+[2]
Launch main dial pad
Ctrl + N
[Command]+[N]
Start new conversation
Ctrl + G
[Command]+[G]
New group
Ctrl + F
[Command]+[F]
Search for all contacts, messages and bots
Ctrl + Shift + S
[Command]+Shift+[S]
Search within selected message
Alt + 1
Not applicable
Navigate to recent chats
Alt + 2
[Command]+Shift+[C]
Open contacts
Alt + 3
[Command]+Shift+[B]
Open contact screen to bots
Ctrl + O
[Command]+Option+[O]
Send feedback
Ctrl + R
[Command]+[R]
Refresh the app
Ctrl + T
[Command]+[T]
Open themes
Ctrl + Shift + T
[Command]+Shift+[T]
Toggle between light and dark mode
Use Alt + V to bring up the View menu to zoom in, out, or return to actual
size
Ctrl + Shift + = to zoom in
Ctrl + - to zoom out
Ctrl + 0 for actual size
Use the View button to zoom in, out, or return to actual size
[Command]+[+] to zoom in
[Command]+[-] to zoom out
[Command]+[0] for actual size
Zoom in, zoom out, or view actual size
Up arrow after sending a message
[Command]+Shift+[E]
Edit the last message sent
Ctrl + P
[Command]+[I]
Show conversation profile
Ctrl + Shift + A
[Command]+Shift+[A]
Add people to conversation
Ctrl + Shift + U
[Command]+Shift+[U]
Mark as unread
Ctrl + Shift + K
[Command]+Shift+[K]
Start a video call
Ctrl + Shift + P
[Command]+Shift+[R]
Start an audio call
Ctrl + Shift + F
[Command]+Shift+[F]
Send a file
Enter
Return
Start a PSTN call
Ctrl + Shift + G
[Command]+Shift+[G]
Open gallery
Ctrl + S
[Command]+[S]
Take a snapshot
Ctrl + E
[Command]+Shift+[H]
Hang up
Ctrl + M
[Command]+Shift+[M]
Toggle mute
Down Arrow
[Command]+[Down Arrow]
Select the next message in the chat list
Up Arrow
[Command]+[Up Arrow]
Select the previous message in the chat list

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Windows 10

From: P. Otter <mailto:pam.otter@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

hi, tell me about it!
for a long time from the begin it was'nt accessible.
for example, it was'nt possible to pickup a call with a shortcut.
also to end a call.
if it is changed, tell me about it.
as far i know it was not accessible.
thanks in advance
paul otter


Op 12-7-2018 om 23:16 schreef David Moore:
Wow!
The Skype app for Win10 is very accessible, and so is Web Skype where you
do everything right on a Skype website!
David Moore
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From: Marco Oros <mailto:marco.oros93@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Skype

OK, maybe You didn't understand My pleasure. I would like to use
accessible version of Skype, but I can't log in to previous version,
which seens to be accessible.
Note: Skype 8 isn't very well accessible.








Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.  
 
There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try them.
 
But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on illegal software as a matter of list policy.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA. It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack