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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

I will believe that CCleaner installs Avast after the fact and on its own the first time I encounter it, and not before.

I've got 5 machines in my household, and on 4 of them CCleaner is assiduously kept up to date.   I have not yet had it do anything unexpected and there is no business that would be insane enough to risk alienating a massive user base, and creating a PR nightmare, by "deciding for you" after an installation that something else entirely needs to be installed.

I haven't had a bit of trouble with Google Backup & Sync, either.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Gene
 

You may find speech tiring.  That is your reaction and can't be generalized.  I would much rather listen to speech than read Braille.  Different people react differently to Braille and speech.  I suspect it has partly something to do with how brain structure and function differ in different people. 
 
I've read a lot of Braille and I find speech for me, to be much faster if I listen at fast speeds and not to require the kind of work, for me, in the exspenditure of effort, that Braille does. 
 
If I listen to a bad synthesizer, that is fatiguing and requires work.  Listening to a good one doesn't.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read large amounts just be aware that using speech is really tiring, I use braille for that reason ad have a braille display, I find that much easier.

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Gene
 

This message is long but it may be quite helpful.
 
Maybe someone can tell you what variant they like and that may help narrow down the ones you try but there response may be different than yours to different variants.
 
I don't like e-speak in any variant.  Some variants are a little better than others but you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, as the cliché has it. 
 
Why not try the SAPI 5 Eloquence demo.  If you like Eloquence, in my opinion, it is one of the best synthesizers for intelligibility at fast speeds, and it pronounces more words correctly than other synthesizers I've used and tried.  That may be the answer. 
 
As for trying different variants of E-Speak, have you noticed that when you move from variant to variant in the list, speech changes to that variant when the announcement of the name of the variant is made?  That may help you determine which variants you want to try and which ones are less harsh and annoying. 
 
When trying different variants, it is important to know that if you don't close the program while using a different speech synthesizer or variant or while speed settings are different, then after trying something, you can immediately return to your original synthesizer, variant, and other settings by using the command control NVDA key r.  You will hear "configuration applied" spoken. 
 
That means that the configuration you were using before you changed anything is being used again.  If you close the program, it saves whatever changes you have made and you have lost the old settings.  The settings NVDA is using are the saved configuration.  When you close NVDA, it saves the configuration you are currently using.
 
If you don't want this to happen so you don't accidentally save settings you don't want to make permanent, do the following:
Issue the command control NVDA key g.
The general settings dialog will open.  Tab to a check box that says save settings on exit or something very similar.  Uncheck it with the space gbar.  Tab to and activate the ok button.  The dialog will close.  But the setting has been changed, not saved as a part of the saved configuration.  To manually save settings permanently, issue the command control NVDA key c.  Now, you will never accidentally save settings by closing NVDA or by rebooting, when NVDA is running, which will close NVDA and thus unintentionally save temporary settings.
 
You will now only save settings permanently when you want to. 
 
Suppose you want to change speech settings or any other settings for a specific use.  You can now do so, and when you want to use the other settings again, the ones you have permanently saved, use the command I told you about at the outset, control NVDA key r.  You don't have to waste time manually setting things back to how they were before.  You have instantly gone back to all the old settings with one command. 
 
In my strong opinion, automatically save settings on exit should not be the default command.  there is such a thing as too much automation.  People should be expected to learn certain things about programs they use and how to manually save settings is one of them.  It is very bad practice to have a program assume that someone wants to save settings any time they reboot or close a program.  If I want to read a specific thing at 400 words a minute and I usually read at 350 words per minute, if I want punctuation set to most for proofreading one document and want punctuation off as a general setting, these temporary changes should not be saved if my computer spontaneously reboots because of a technical problem or I forget and reboot for some reason. 
 
If I want to use certain browse mode settings on one web site, I should be able to do so and not run the risk that they will be unintentionally saved.
 
Those learning the program should have the freedom to try any settings they wish without accidentally having them be saved. 
 

For those who are persuaded to an extent by ,
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Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Maybe you can navigate line by line and press return twice at the end of the stanza, to  indicate the stanza break. This way you won't have problem formatting your poems. At the end of the stanza NVDA will read "BLANK", and you would know of the break. This is how I study my poetry. Of course, while reading the poems of others, it might be difficult, as they might not have formatted it according to your expectations.
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Giles Turnbull
 

I would very much like that feature, Abbie. I It is a nightmare trying to figure out which lines have hard returns and which have soft returns. Whenever I send a poem to a magazine, or enter it into a competition, it can be hard work making sure it is formatted correctly! I have a profile set up for editing with formatting, in which I slow the speed a little and have NVDA reading most formatting options, but I have found no way to indicate the difference between a soft return and a hard return ... soft returns are needed in Word at the end of lines within a stanza / verse, and a hard return is needed for a stanza break, where a single blank line is needed between the last line of one stanza and the first line of the next. Sighted people have it easy because they can see on the page how much white space there is between one line and the next ;)


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

Gene
 

I don't mind you discussing it but have you tried a forum like Bleeping Computer?  A site like Bleeping Computer would have a better chance of you receiving useful suggestions than pursuing the matter in many other ways because a lot of geeks, not just somewhat knowledgeable users, give help there.  I'm not saying that everyone is a geek but the purpose of the site is to attract very knowledgeable people, among more typical users who offer help. 
 
If you explain in your initial message, that you are blind and explain the problems, you may get the reaction you describe from people who don't read the message carefully but you are likely to get other responses. 
 
If you propose the suggestion I made about the host file and ask how to do this, there is a good chance you will get a response. 
 
I don't know enough about Firewalls to know if you can block one installation of one program.  But the host file can be used to block specific web site access.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

Well, the reason for asking here is that having mentioned it in other geeky
places the general reply is. avast is probably one of the best anti virus
programs there is, why would you wish to remove it? People on ordinary lists
etc do not seem to realise the issue it gives blind users.

If nobody is interested I'll not mention it again
 The fact is that I have uninstalled it, used avastclear to remove all
files. Turned off auto updates in ccleaner and adjusted all settings in the
new privacy tab of ccleaner to off so it will not any more share with them.
 There seems, once this is done to be no silly running processes of avast
running in the services as there always is when you just uninstall it.
 I suspect that my sighted colleagues are the problem and if a  little
message comes up their reflex action is to click it so it goes away.
 Hence my question about blocking it completely. Yes I'd need to do an audit
and find out what might be doing it. Ccleaner is very handy however since
what we do does produce a lot of useless files and debris.
 Hope this clears it up.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this
list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on?  It doesn't
seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past?  And if you really think its
CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted
result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it.  the question may well be too specific
and essoteric for the list.  Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer
where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple
to obscure.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue  comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
 Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that  I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
 Any ideas?
 Brian

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Re: writing add ons:

Antony Stone
 

I think http://www.josephsl.net/tutorials is probably what you're looking for.

Antony.

On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 14:16:31, 特種兵 wrote:

By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing
nvda addon?
I saw it here a few days ago but accidentally deleted it.

thank you for much
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Re: writing add ons:

特種兵
 


By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing nvda addon?
I saw it here a few days ago but accidentally deleted it.
thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan
Ralf Kefferpuetz 於 2018/7/14 下午 03:07 寫道:

Hello,

 

Please visit this 2 links for more information:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/NVDA%20Add-on%20Development%20Guide

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/developerGuide.html

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Samstag, 14. Juli 2018 01:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] writing add ons:

 

Hi I was thinking about writing a nvda add on for my printer software and I was wondering what programs I will need to write add ons with?

Kenny Peyatt jr.



Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Devin Prater
 

I'd try speeding up the speech just a little, getting used to that point where you can repeat what the speech says, and keep speeding up until you're where you want to be.




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:16 AM -0500, "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> wrote:

Different people have different speeds - both of listening, and reading Braille 
(just as different sighted people can read at different speeds).

I would suggest the choice of synthesiser (which is an entirely personal 
choice - no-one else can tell you what you find easiest and most pleasant to 
work with) is going to make the biggest difference to how fast you can listen.


Antony.

On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 12:12:54, Sociohack AC wrote:

> -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? 
> Speed is my main conceen.  
> Regards,
> Sociohack

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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Antony Stone
 

Different people have different speeds - both of listening, and reading Braille
(just as different sighted people can read at different speeds).

I would suggest the choice of synthesiser (which is an entirely personal
choice - no-one else can tell you what you find easiest and most pleasant to
work with) is going to make the biggest difference to how fast you can listen.


Antony.

On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 12:12:54, Sociohack AC wrote:

-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further?
Speed is my main conceen.
Regards,
Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Certainly not! I find it much more productive to read braille. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 14/07/2018 11:12, Sociohack AC wrote:


-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? 
Speed is my main conceen.  
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Akshaya Choudhary
 


-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? 
Speed is my main conceen.  
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read large amounts just be aware that using speech is really tiring, I use braille for that reason ad have a braille display, I find that much easier.

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/
On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

Never had this happen on any of my win7 or 10 units.

Unchecky hasn't had an update in ages.

But if ccleaner is becoming dangerous and virus like, I am going to have to concidder taking it off all my networks, and never using it, I really like to do this from time to time but who knows.

I may have to use a portable one for now its been fine for me.

There are 2 tasks, a skip uac and a ccleaner update task it says its for installing emergency updates to it, but I just hope its not doing this avast thing.

It would be fine if the suite were accessible and working and they listened to users but its not really.

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The latest CCleaner does not allow unchecky to do anything. As I say i think they are getting wise and even if you do refuse any other installation, its sets a timer and  installs it in the background later on. I wonder if recover is the same as I see that is on the other machine as well.
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky ( https://unchecky.com/ ) , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
--

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Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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Sadly Google back up and restore was far too crash prone for me to carry on using it. When it was just google drive it was fine. Dropbox is better in thatrespect.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Can’t beat portable versions either.

I have my portable installers in my Google Drive folder and thus am able to access them from either one of my machines. Open and close them as I wish.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)



CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky <https://unchecky.com/> , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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The latest CCleaner does not allow unchecky to do anything. As I say i think they are getting wise and even if you do refuse any other installation, its sets a timer and installs it in the background later on. I wonder if recover is the same as I see that is on the other machine as well.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky ( https://unchecky.com/ ) , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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I see no advertising. You can turn off the sharing data in its set up. it said this was to comply with GDPR, so maybe you have not done this.

I find myself saying that if a company has to go to such underhand lengths to sell its stuff its not very good at selling and I'd avoid it.
I seem to recall it was only about a year back that Ccleaner issued a version with malware in it, and I understand this was disgruntled staff after the take over.

It was not dangerous malware but I imagine was designed to stick two fingers up at avast.
Brian

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I guess this is the free version that’s doing this

As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product

Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃



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Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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We are still assuming that ccleaner is the source, but the point is, for me to get the machine back into pristine condition will be so long winded when its in use every week would not be realistic. It needs to be patched. I bet the dropbox issue is some unregistered dll, and the other issues is a task somewhere charged with pestering the user. Since I have the same ccleaner here at home and have managed to keep sighted people off, it has also done its damage, but thus far I've managed to avoid any reinstalls of avast itself. I'm thinking of adding it to the firewall blocking but its knowing what to add that is the issue, cos I bet its not going to say its avast is it?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


The easiest way is to not install it in the first place.

I guess you will just have to reformat to get rid of it.

Its a pitty ccleaner has gone this way, I still use it because its generally good and all I need to use is its cleaning function and most of the checkboxes are checked by default but to be honest, if this is its reality I don't know.




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I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

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No you have to go to the ccleaner web site and click on the free version when you do an update. It never asks about anything else most of the time. Not even unchecky spots anything either.

In fact I've been running this version of Ccleaner for some weeks since mid June with no problems and no sign of avast until yesterday. I think its actually a task and one that only runs when a registry entry time period is past a certain time, say a month. At that point it uses the background to download the latest version of avast, then waits for the machine to be idle for a while and than then asks you to install, but even then I think its already installed and all it will do is to run its self and add the autostart to the start up process. The service and disabling of msse will be already done.
Its bad practice, arrogant and invasive.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I would assume it would have installed when you installed CCleaner, not when you ran it. I'm not sure what caused to happen what appeared to happen. I don't use CCleaner and I don't know how it updates itself. In other words, if it updated the program, perhaps it installed Avast then but I'm just speculating.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I thought this as well, so it's very possible that I thought the offer got declined when it really wasn't. The odd thing is, Avast only installed after I ran CCleaner for the first time after a fresh installation. So, when exactly does Avast embed itself? I distinctly recall trying to uncheck the offer, thinking I had succeeded, and then going on to the next part of the setup process. Nothing was said about Avast at that point. It was only after I launched CCleaner after installation that it happened. I don't know if it would have continued to try and install afterwards; I switched to the portable version at that point, wanting no further parts of any forced offers.




On 7/13/2018 7:06 PM, Gene wrote:

I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed.

If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry?
Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't.

Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


Hi,

I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response.




I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem.




I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not.




On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote:

Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible.

How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens?

But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work.

I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and
removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a
suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the
background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the
blue comes up as installing.

Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually
stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something.
Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and
blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active
impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very
annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it.
Any ideas?
Brian

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