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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Gene
I don't mind you discussing it but have you tried a
forum like Bleeping Computer? A site like Bleeping Computer would have a
better chance of you receiving useful suggestions than pursuing the matter in
many other ways because a lot of geeks, not just somewhat knowledgeable users,
give help there. I'm not saying that everyone is a geek but the purpose of
the site is to attract very knowledgeable people, among more typical users who
offer help.
If you explain in your initial message, that you
are blind and explain the problems, you may get the reaction you describe from
people who don't read the message carefully but you are likely to get other
responses.
If you propose the suggestion I made about the host
file and ask how to do this, there is a good chance you will get a
response.
I don't know enough about Firewalls to know if you
can block one installation of one program. But the host file can be used
to block specific web site access.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) places the general reply is. avast is probably one of the best anti virus programs there is, why would you wish to remove it? People on ordinary lists etc do not seem to realise the issue it gives blind users. If nobody is interested I'll not mention it again The fact is that I have uninstalled it, used avastclear to remove all files. Turned off auto updates in ccleaner and adjusted all settings in the new privacy tab of ccleaner to off so it will not any more share with them. There seems, once this is done to be no silly running processes of avast running in the services as there always is when you just uninstall it. I suspect that my sighted colleagues are the problem and if a little message comes up their reflex action is to click it so it goes away. Hence my question about blocking it completely. Yes I'd need to do an audit and find out what might be doing it. Ccleaner is very handy however since what we do does produce a lot of useless files and debris. Hope this clears it up. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible. How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: writing add ons:
Antony Stone
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On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 14:16:31, 特種兵 wrote:
By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing --
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Re: writing add ons:
By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing nvda addon? I saw it here a few days ago but accidentally deleted it. thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan Ralf Kefferpuetz 於 2018/7/14 下午 03:07
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Devin Prater
I'd try speeding up the speech just a little, getting used to that point where you can repeat what the speech says, and keep speeding up until you're where you want to be. Get Outlook for iOS
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:16 AM -0500, "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> wrote:
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Antony Stone
Different people have different speeds - both of listening, and reading Braille
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(just as different sighted people can read at different speeds). I would suggest the choice of synthesiser (which is an entirely personal choice - no-one else can tell you what you find easiest and most pleasant to work with) is going to make the biggest difference to how fast you can listen. Antony.
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-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? --
I think broken pencils are pointless. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
Certainly not! I find it much more productive to read braille. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/ On 14/07/2018 11:12, Sociohack AC
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Akshaya Choudhary
-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want
to read large amounts just be aware that using speech is really
tiring, I use braille for that reason ad have a braille display, I
find that much easier. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/ On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC
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Hello season users of screen readers!
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Never had this happen on any of my win7 or 10 units.
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Unchecky hasn't had an update in ages. But if ccleaner is becoming dangerous and virus like, I am going to have to concidder taking it off all my networks, and never using it, I really like to do this from time to time but who knows. I may have to use a portable one for now its been fine for me. There are 2 tasks, a skip uac and a ccleaner update task it says its for installing emergency updates to it, but I just hope its not doing this avast thing. It would be fine if the suite were accessible and working and they listened to users but its not really.
On 7/14/2018 9:02 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The latest CCleaner does not allow unchecky to do anything. As I say i think they are getting wise and even if you do refuse any other installation, its sets a timer and installs it in the background later on. I wonder if recover is the same as I see that is on the other machine as well.
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Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Akshaya Choudhary
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen? All suggestions are welcome! Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/ Regards
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Sadly Google back up and restore was far too crash prone for me to carry on using it. When it was just google drive it was fine. Dropbox is better in thatrespect.
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From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Can’t beat portable versions either. I have my portable installers in my Google Drive folder and thus am able to access them from either one of my machines. Open and close them as I wish. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install. If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want: 1. Get Unchecky <https://unchecky.com/> , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule. 2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices. You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
The latest CCleaner does not allow unchecky to do anything. As I say i think they are getting wise and even if you do refuse any other installation, its sets a timer and installs it in the background later on. I wonder if recover is the same as I see that is on the other machine as well.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install. If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want: 1. Get Unchecky ( https://unchecky.com/ ) , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule. 2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices. You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I see no advertising. You can turn off the sharing data in its set up. it said this was to comply with GDPR, so maybe you have not done this.
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I find myself saying that if a company has to go to such underhand lengths to sell its stuff its not very good at selling and I'd avoid it. I seem to recall it was only about a year back that Ccleaner issued a version with malware in it, and I understand this was disgruntled staff after the take over. It was not dangerous malware but I imagine was designed to stick two fingers up at avast. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I guess this is the free version that’s doing this As far as I can see the only way to stop automatic downloads is to buy the ccleaner product Otherwise it cant be turned off along with all the advertising it pops up now 😃 From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: 13 July 2018 21:28 To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
We are still assuming that ccleaner is the source, but the point is, for me to get the machine back into pristine condition will be so long winded when its in use every week would not be realistic. It needs to be patched. I bet the dropbox issue is some unregistered dll, and the other issues is a task somewhere charged with pestering the user. Since I have the same ccleaner here at home and have managed to keep sighted people off, it has also done its damage, but thus far I've managed to avoid any reinstalls of avast itself. I'm thinking of adding it to the firewall blocking but its knowing what to add that is the issue, cos I bet its not going to say its avast is it?
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) The easiest way is to not install it in the first place.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
No you have to go to the ccleaner web site and click on the free version when you do an update. It never asks about anything else most of the time. Not even unchecky spots anything either.
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In fact I've been running this version of Ccleaner for some weeks since mid June with no problems and no sign of avast until yesterday. I think its actually a task and one that only runs when a registry entry time period is past a certain time, say a month. At that point it uses the background to download the latest version of avast, then waits for the machine to be idle for a while and than then asks you to install, but even then I think its already installed and all it will do is to run its self and add the autostart to the start up process. The service and disabling of msse will be already done. Its bad practice, arrogant and invasive. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I would assume it would have installed when you installed CCleaner, not when you ran it. I'm not sure what caused to happen what appeared to happen. I don't use CCleaner and I don't know how it updates itself. In other words, if it updated the program, perhaps it installed Avast then but I'm just speculating. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I thought this as well, so it's very possible that I thought the offer got declined when it really wasn't. The odd thing is, Avast only installed after I ran CCleaner for the first time after a fresh installation. So, when exactly does Avast embed itself? I distinctly recall trying to uncheck the offer, thinking I had succeeded, and then going on to the next part of the setup process. Nothing was said about Avast at that point. It was only after I launched CCleaner after installation that it happened. I don't know if it would have continued to try and install afterwards; I switched to the portable version at that point, wanting no further parts of any forced offers. On 7/13/2018 7:06 PM, Gene wrote: I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed. If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry? Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't. Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Hi, I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response. I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem. I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not. On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote: Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible. How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
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I have also use superantispyware. As long as you use it from the tray icon you can get at things, but if it auto runs the screen never seems to get focus by default. Its a pity they cannot sort out these little focus and listing issues. However my old MSSe seems to still spot the nastier nastiest. I do not believe anyone can sit back and assume all is safe. I find that its the sighted who seem to have less likelihood of spotting their actions end in malware or whatever.
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From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Actually, I just tried out Mallwarebytes today, and I was quite impressed. I started a 14 day trial of the premium version, and the accessibility was better than I expected. It still has a few rough edges though, but it is usable for the most part. The instalation was quite smooth and it's got a good customer support base, the documentation goes out of it's way to explain things in easy to understand terminology without making it feel like they're dumbing things down. Like I said, for the most part, it is usable, there are still some minor niggles though, such as when you go to enter your license code, you aren't able to review the code that you've entered. I haven't tried it with Jawas, er.. oops. I mean jaws though. At 03:17 PM 7/14/2018, you wrote: I agree about brain.exe.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes the problem is they seem to be completely cavalier about us as a possible customer. if they fixed their access issues then maybe its worth it, but thus far Avast has given me more grief and possibly damaged windows merely because its inaccessible. The problem with my other machine is that as I said in my first post, as its used by sighted people too, many are inattentive and simply click first and then forget about it. I only encountered this because it asked to restart now or later when a sighted person was there trying to record audio. I immediately smelled a rat as all windows updates even dropbox have been disabled as we are on a mobile dongle internet connection and obviously the machine rebooting in the middle of a reading is hardly ideal.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I agree about brain.exe.
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes just try to disable the one for MSSe and you will see it comes back on again! Avast is far more cleave, even if you remove its files it has them soewhere else and puts them allback hence the reason avastclear has to run in safe mode.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) not necessarily. When I've uninstalled antimalware programs in the past, and read information from the manufacturer about how to do so, the ones I have uninstalled have said to do so from Programs and Features first and if that didn't work, to use something else like an uninstall tool. You can't just turn off services antivirus programs use in many cases because these services are monitored by the program's self-defence module. That module is intended to keep malware from doing just that, turning off the program so the malware can damage the program and infiltrate the machine once the program is off. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 6:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop the service(s) that it uses. Please go to Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services & set any & all services associated w/the software to disabled. Then stop the service. On 7/13/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote: I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the -- Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes I know. It then reappears when you next reboot the machine even if you do not see it as a start up item.
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From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) In order to uninstall any antivirus software, you first have to stop
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I'm sorry I do not agree with you. Maybe it is that their design of their offer is inaccessible. I cannot tell, but I think its not based on ccleaner updates but on a timer written to the registry, so nobody is going to know what triggered it to download it. it does this in the background and seemingly partially installs it as well, only writing the do you want this to auto start as its last task. Luckily this last time I had installed a register monitor and it came up and said, do you want avast to auto start went eye machine restarts, to which I said no, but by then all the files were back on and in their places and the avast service was running.
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The program even hid the Microsoft security essentials protected icon. So, I think while maybe not strictly a virus, it is sharp practice by doing these things they are making it look like its a very fast install, when its done it by stealth in the background. There could even be a service in there that is still there when ccleaner is taken out. I doubt if its visible in the task scheduler. Even if it were, the current nvda crashes the task scheduler of windows in 7, which is a known issue, to run it you have to do so without nvda then run nvda afterwards once it is running. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I didn't say it wouldn't install Avast when you install CCleaner. But the original message said that CCleaner is periodically reinstalled after being uninstalled and it didn't say this only happened when a new version of CCleaner was installed. If that happened as a general behavior, it would have caused tremendous outcry from those, sighted and blind, using CCleaner who had mistakenly installed Avast and then removed it. Where is that outcry? Also, given the difficulty and inaccessibility of many decline parts of free software, I suspect that you thought you had declined it, but didn't. Companies try to sneak software onto machines but the company that owns Avast and CCleaner wouldn't damage its reputation by doing something blatantly illegal such as having Avast installed even when a user specifically declined the offer. The company has a very good reputation and, if for no other reason, that's worth a lot of money. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Desiree Oudinot Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:14 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Hi, I very rarely post on this list, but this message warrants a response. I, too, have had CCleaner install Avast even when I've declined the offer during installation. Once it's launched, it seems to do something in the background to install it. As a result, I began using the portable version of CCleaner to avoid this problem. I believe this is unacceptable, but until now, had also never seen anyone discussing the issue, so I figured I had done something to trigger it. But perhaps not. On 7/13/2018 4:35 PM, Gene wrote: Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible. How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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