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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Jackie
Unfortunately, as much as I like Bleeping Computer, their knowledge of
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& attentiveness to issues of disability is pretty slim.
On 7/14/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
I will believe that CCleaner installs Avast after the fact and on its own --
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
I’m at 80 wpm. I used to be at 100 I can listen though at about 350 to 400 wpm, or even faster. Just practice practice practice is all I can say.
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Re: Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA)
Jackie
Hello. Your English is far better than I can speak whatever your
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native language is. Don't worry about it, please. As long as we can understand each other, we're good. What's your name? As to your problem, I rather suspect that your form is in protected mode. You should save it in order to disable that. I recommend saving it to a different name than the original, so you'll always have that 1 as a backup in case the form you're working with somehow gets messed up (it happens). Also, when you do save it, the computer will want to save it to a temporary folder. Browse to your documents folder or another of your choosing & save it there instead. Then you can use the tab & shift-tab key to fill in the fields. Please let me know if my instructions are clear &/or if they help. Good luck & much success on your thesis.
On 7/14/18, prem.translator@... <prem.translator@...> wrote:
I recieved a form which is the templet for my Thesis. However, when I open --
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Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA)
prem.translator@...
I recieved a form which is the templet for my Thesis. However, when I open the document I pressed enter and type down some information, it seems that the information didn't appear in the edit box, but before it. Moreover, it appeared one line for each information instead of in the same line like in the form.
e.g. There are three edit boxes in the same line, Title, firstname and surname, but the information I put is not in the box and separated to be one information for each line. How can I deal with it? Please help me and really sorry for my English.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
Cristbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:
I cant even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension.I am a competent enough braille reader that I gave some thought to working for a company narrating things on tape, or mp3, or whatever they do nowadays. When I was in school, I got called on to read aloud in English class more than almost anyone else there. The only problem I see is that if i'm reading books in audible format, the clicking of the braille display will be heard. I guess a noise gate could filter that out, but that adds more processing time, which adds more expense, which brings the cost to benefit ratio of hiring me too out of balance. Another dream down the tubes.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Cristóbal
I’m a pretty compitant Braille reader. My general observation is that for the really fast or those who use/prefer Braille learned the skill from a really, really early age and didn’t have to ever transition from sighted reading. Most likely people who have either been blind all their life or had no useable vision from again, a very early age. Not that someone later in life couldn’t pick up the skill, but I’m going to guess that even the most dedicated adopters of Braille in these circumstances would never be able to reach the level or proficiency of an early adopter. Even prisoners who become Braille transcribers physically look at the Braille. I’m sure it has to do with something in the brain structure and all the funky connectors that are going on when you’re very young with absorbing information In a tactile form instead of visually and so on. My vision loss was gradual and while I picked up Braille while I could still see, it wasn’t until my teens that I had to really give up print. I cant’ even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension. Mind you, I went to college out of the country and got my degree mainly with the old school methods of readers and my own Braille notes. So it’s not that I’m adverse to Braille per say, but man, talk about shutter at the thought of going full Braille. I would find it physically and mentally exhausting.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around 180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is suggestive.
Are there techniques that slower Braille readers can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of the situation as it stands.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kevin <kleeva5@...>
In Edge all the shortcut keys ctrl+j and ctrl+I works, at least with jaws 2018! Are you having a problem with NVDA in Edge saying entering navigation, exiting navigation; entering search, exiting search etc…
E-mail is golden!!!
From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Good day,
Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.
Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.
Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.
NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump through web content.
Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.
I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!
The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.
Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and [Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to hide/dismiss it again.
Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications more accessible got me thinking.
Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider testers and bug reports.)
Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.
By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts:
Visit https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html
It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start using it more.
-Kenny
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Gene
I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate
to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've
observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around
180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or
twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar
school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is
suggestive.
Are there techniques that slower Braille readers
can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did
some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of
technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of
the situation as it stands.
Gene
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen
readers -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
I will believe that CCleaner installs Avast after the fact and on its own the first time I encounter it, and not before.
I've got 5 machines in my household, and on 4 of them CCleaner is assiduously kept up to date. I have not yet had it do anything unexpected and there is no business that would be insane enough to risk alienating a massive user base, and creating a PR nightmare, by "deciding for you" after an installation that something else entirely needs to be installed. I haven't had a bit of trouble with Google Backup & Sync, either. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Gene
You may find speech tiring. That is your
reaction and can't be generalized. I would much rather listen to speech
than read Braille. Different people react differently to Braille and
speech. I suspect it has partly something to do with how brain structure
and function differ in different people.
I've read a lot of Braille and I
find speech for me, to be much faster if I listen at fast speeds and not to
require the kind of work, for me, in the exspenditure of effort, that
Braille does.
If I listen to a bad synthesizer, that is fatiguing
and requires work. Listening to a good one doesn't.
Gene
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From: Claire Potter
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen
readers Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read
large amounts just be aware that using speech is really tiring, I use braille
for that reason ad have a braille display, I find that much easier. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/ On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Gene
This message is long but it may be quite
helpful.
Maybe someone can tell you what variant they like
and that may help narrow down the ones you try but there response may be
different than yours to different variants.
I don't like e-speak in any variant. Some
variants are a little better than others but you can't make a silk purse from a
sow's ear, as the cliché has it.
Why not try the SAPI 5 Eloquence demo. If you
like Eloquence, in my opinion, it is one of the best synthesizers for
intelligibility at fast speeds, and it pronounces more words correctly than
other synthesizers I've used and tried. That may be the answer.
As for trying different variants of E-Speak, have
you noticed that when you move from variant to variant in the list, speech
changes to that variant when the announcement of the name of the variant is
made? That may help you determine which variants you want to try and which
ones are less harsh and annoying.
When trying different variants, it is important to
know that if you don't close the program while using a different speech
synthesizer or variant or while speed settings are different, then after trying
something, you can immediately return to your original synthesizer, variant, and
other settings by using the command control NVDA key r. You will hear
"configuration applied" spoken.
That means that the configuration you were using
before you changed anything is being used again. If you close the program,
it saves whatever changes you have made and you have lost the old
settings. The settings NVDA is using are the saved configuration.
When you close NVDA, it saves the configuration you are currently
using.
If you don't want this to happen so you don't
accidentally save settings you don't want to make permanent, do the
following:
Issue the command control NVDA key g.
The general settings dialog will open. Tab to
a check box that says save settings on exit or something very similar.
Uncheck it with the space gbar. Tab to and activate the ok button.
The dialog will close. But the setting has been changed, not saved as a
part of the saved configuration. To manually save settings permanently,
issue the command control NVDA key c. Now, you will never accidentally
save settings by closing NVDA or by rebooting, when NVDA is running, which will
close NVDA and thus unintentionally save temporary settings.
You will now only save settings permanently when
you want to.
Suppose you want to change speech settings or any
other settings for a specific use. You can now do so, and when you want to
use the other settings again, the ones you have permanently saved, use the
command I told you about at the outset, control NVDA key r. You don't have
to waste time manually setting things back to how they were before. You
have instantly gone back to all the old settings with one command.
In my strong opinion, automatically save settings
on exit should not be the default command. there is such a thing as too
much automation. People should be expected to learn certain things about
programs they use and how to manually save settings is one of them. It is
very bad practice to have a program assume that someone wants to save settings
any time they reboot or close a program. If I want to read a specific
thing at 400 words a minute and I usually read at 350 words per minute, if I
want punctuation set to most for proofreading one document and want punctuation
off as a general setting, these temporary changes should not be saved if my
computer spontaneously reboots because of a technical problem or I forget and
reboot for some reason.
If I want to use certain browse mode settings on
one web site, I should be able to do so and not run the risk that they will be
unintentionally saved.
Those learning the program should have the freedom
to try any settings they wish without accidentally having them be saved.
For those who are persuaded to an extent by , Gene----- Original
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen
readers Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen? All suggestions are welcome! Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/ Regards
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Akshaya Choudhary
Maybe you can navigate line by line and press return twice at the end of the stanza, to indicate the stanza break. This way you won't have problem formatting your poems. At the end of the stanza NVDA will read "BLANK", and you would know of the break. This is how I study my poetry. Of course, while reading the poems of others, it might be difficult, as they might not have formatted it according to your expectations.
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
I would very much like that feature, Abbie. I It is a nightmare trying to figure out which lines have hard returns and which have soft returns. Whenever I send a poem to a magazine, or enter it into a competition, it can be hard work making sure it is formatted correctly! I have a profile set up for editing with formatting, in which I slow the speed a little and have NVDA reading most formatting options, but I have found no way to indicate the difference between a soft return and a hard return ... soft returns are needed in Word at the end of lines within a stanza / verse, and a hard return is needed for a stanza break, where a single blank line is needed between the last line of one stanza and the first line of the next. Sighted people have it easy because they can see on the page how much white space there is between one line and the next ;)
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
Gene
I don't mind you discussing it but have you tried a
forum like Bleeping Computer? A site like Bleeping Computer would have a
better chance of you receiving useful suggestions than pursuing the matter in
many other ways because a lot of geeks, not just somewhat knowledgeable users,
give help there. I'm not saying that everyone is a geek but the purpose of
the site is to attract very knowledgeable people, among more typical users who
offer help.
If you explain in your initial message, that you
are blind and explain the problems, you may get the reaction you describe from
people who don't read the message carefully but you are likely to get other
responses.
If you propose the suggestion I made about the host
file and ask how to do this, there is a good chance you will get a
response.
I don't know enough about Firewalls to know if you
can block one installation of one program. But the host file can be used
to block specific web site access.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) places the general reply is. avast is probably one of the best anti virus programs there is, why would you wish to remove it? People on ordinary lists etc do not seem to realise the issue it gives blind users. If nobody is interested I'll not mention it again The fact is that I have uninstalled it, used avastclear to remove all files. Turned off auto updates in ccleaner and adjusted all settings in the new privacy tab of ccleaner to off so it will not any more share with them. There seems, once this is done to be no silly running processes of avast running in the services as there always is when you just uninstall it. I suspect that my sighted colleagues are the problem and if a little message comes up their reflex action is to click it so it goes away. Hence my question about blocking it completely. Yes I'd need to do an audit and find out what might be doing it. Ccleaner is very handy however since what we do does produce a lot of useless files and debris. Hope this clears it up. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) Then why has no other CCleaner user reported the problem not just on this list, but on the other two active Windows users lists I'm on? It doesn't seem plausible. How have you tried to remove Avast in the past? And if you really think its CCleaner, why not completely remove CCleaner and see what happens? But rather than do that, doing what I suggest below may yield the wanted result without doing unnecessary and likely ineffective work. I don't know how you might stop it. the question may well be too specific and essoteric for the list. Why not ask somewhere like Bleeping Computer where geeks hang out to help with technical questions that range from simple to obscure. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:28 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-) I'm having terrible trouble stopping this anti virus once installed and removed from making frequent attempts to reinstall itself. I have a suspicion that Ccleaner is responsible for apparent random downloads in the background without any input from a user. It then sits there and out of the blue comes up as installing. Does anyone know of a third party program that can spot this and actually stop it. maybe an entry in Microsofts windows 7 firewall or something. Unfortunately, the machine in question is a device used by both sighted and blind, and its only when I get there and find this inaccessible over active impossible to remove bit of so called anti virus software that I get very annoyed. I want to make it absolutely impossible to install it. Any ideas? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: writing add ons:
Antony Stone
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On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 14:16:31, 特種兵 wrote:
By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing --
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Re: writing add ons:
By the way, can anyone know Joseph to record a tutorial on developing nvda addon? I saw it here a few days ago but accidentally deleted it. thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan Ralf Kefferpuetz 於 2018/7/14 下午 03:07
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Devin Prater
I'd try speeding up the speech just a little, getting used to that point where you can repeat what the speech says, and keep speeding up until you're where you want to be. Get Outlook for iOS
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:16 AM -0500, "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> wrote:
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Antony Stone
Different people have different speeds - both of listening, and reading Braille
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(just as different sighted people can read at different speeds). I would suggest the choice of synthesiser (which is an entirely personal choice - no-one else can tell you what you find easiest and most pleasant to work with) is going to make the biggest difference to how fast you can listen. Antony.
On Saturday 14 July 2018 at 12:12:54, Sociohack AC wrote:
-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? --
I think broken pencils are pointless. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
Certainly not! I find it much more productive to read braille. Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/ On 14/07/2018 11:12, Sociohack AC
wrote:
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Akshaya Choudhary
-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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