Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes, I agree to most of this. it is amazing though what can be done later in life I learned Braille in my 50s and to me its amazing I can read it at all. I sat down and wrote a training program in basic after learning it and that helped me to remember the dots since I had to make them into visual representations decoded from English.
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As I say, I'm glad I did learn it as now at least I can read all my medication as they are all brailed on the packets and bottles in the UK. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers I’m a pretty compitant Braille reader. My general observation is that for the really fast or those who use/prefer Braille learned the skill from a really, really early age and didn’t have to ever transition from sighted reading. Most likely people who have either been blind all their life or had no useable vision from again, a very early age. Not that someone later in life couldn’t pick up the skill, but I’m going to guess that even the most dedicated adopters of Braille in these circumstances would never be able to reach the level or proficiency of an early adopter. Even prisoners who become Braille transcribers physically look at the Braille. I’m sure it has to do with something in the brain structure and all the funky connectors that are going on when you’re very young with absorbing information In a tactile form instead of visually and so on. My vision loss was gradual and while I picked up Braille while I could still see, it wasn’t until my teens that I had to really give up print. I cant’ even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension. Mind you, I went to college out of the country and got my degree mainly with the old school methods of readers and my own Braille notes. So it’s not that I’m adverse to Braille per say, but man, talk about shutter at the thought of going full Braille. I would find it physically and mentally exhausting. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around 180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is suggestive. Are there techniques that slower Braille readers can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of the situation as it stands. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
A lot of people read two handed and seem to be able to beat the display quite often. Its amazing if you can do it.
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The problem with a lot of this is that sight is broadband whereas audio is like an old fashioned modem on a dodgy line, its often serial and hard to jump about in to regain the sense if skim reading. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes but not everyone is that fast at reading it either. I learned it later in life and have never really found it of much use for long texts, but that might not be everyone's experience. I just could not justify the costs of a display.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Claire Potter" <claire.potter99@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
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I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use. I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times. I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers Hello season users of screen readers! Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen? All suggestions are welcome! Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/ Regards
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Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
aikeo koomanivong
hi Joseph
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thank you for good info i visited your website but no public link to your mp3 file if you've a free time could you please make them to public link regards
On 7/15/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, --
AIKEO KOOMANIVONG CFBT-ICEVI coordinator of LAO PDR. vise president accessible ICT and musical development for the blind Vocational development for LAO-blind association [VDBA] Office e-mail: vdba.lao@gmail.com Facebook page: www.facebook.com/laoblind.org my personal e-mail: mlp_keo@yahoo.com skype name: peba_007 mobile phone: +8562099993423 Facebook: www.facebook.com/keo.laoblind Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/aikeo-koomanivong/a7/156/b8b
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Word 2016 crashes often
Akshaya Choudhary
I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? All suggestions are welcome -- Regards, Sociohack
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Add-on development guide: minor updates as of July 2018
Hi all,
The NVDA Add-on Development Guide has been updated: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/NVDA%20Add-on%20Development%20Guide
New in this version:
Notes about certain items added in Appendix D:
One more question which I’ll add to 2018.3 edition of this guide (August):
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
John Isige
Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
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for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears, on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.
On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
May as well be a virus, its why I had to quit the dvdvideosoft software and buy my own, all those added programs screwed things up and I had to reformat.
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Ironically, the applien stuff while accessible enough is still a bit clunky for me and so I don't use it, I have youtube dl which works, youtube dl-g in fact, its just a pitty version 0.38 is the only accessible well usable version out there. With the death of a lot of the listentoyoutube sites like listentoyoutube.com youtubetomp3.com etc well. Anyway, youtube dl-g 038 is what I use now. Sadly winlame was a good converter, but sadly it doesn't do wav and has a lot of problems in the latest versions. So my goldwave I have payed for comes in handy. Ironically I don't use that software for what its meant for either. Its for ripping cds mostly, converting waves mp3s and flacks and thats about it still I am getting a lot out of my 40 bucks. Out of all the software I use mostly, goldwave,cdbxp, thunderbird, waterfox, ie, winamp, and youtubedl-g and 7zip, as well as dropbox a lot of the rest exists some comes and goes as I need or don't need it.
On 7/15/2018 2:15 PM, David Tanner wrote:
No, Avast is not a virous. It is supposedly an anti virous software. Believe it or not there is a difference.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
When I use the Try-Build, NVDA works with Microsoft Edge perfectly. Have no problems with anything, but sometimes being thrown in the icons pain of Edge. There is something about this build that my PC running the latest build of Windows 10 Spring Creator loves.
Even ETI Eloquence sounds fuller and responds better when using it.
Is there a list or something I can subscribe too for alerts on
any updates? I'm sticking with this as my primary screen reader
even though Joseph warns me against doing so. Sorry, but it works
much better for me overall, especially with Edge.
On 7/14/2018 11:15 AM, Kevin wrote:
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Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
Hi, Try http instead of https link. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
Hi, Joseph
On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
Robert Mendoza
Hi, Joseph
On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Jackie
Ibrahim, you don't provide us w/a lot of information, ie, what version
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of Windows you use, what websites crash the pc, how much ram, disk space, & free disk space do you have, & other information you think might help us.
On 7/14/18, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi good people: --
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Richard Wells
John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in previous Windows revisions.
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On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
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Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)
David Tanner
No, Avast is not a virous. It is supposedly an anti virous software. Believe it or not there is a difference.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
If you are a blind person, you may not see the bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with the installers. While you should use the custom installation option, that is no guarantee as a blind person. And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and should be used, doesn't know about everything.
I would say that, before installing anything free, blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind computer users.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)
CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
John Isige
What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
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but why?
On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:
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Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it impossible to browse. I have to relaunch the screenreader all over again. It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system. With NVDA sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright. Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause. I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on the computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox. Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is the case. I have installed and re-installed it several times. Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution. Kind regards. From Ibrahim.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Cristóbal
My eloquence is usually between 82/85% with Jaws. Eloquence with NVDA for whatever reason feels somehow different. On some of the NVDA voices, I max out and it still doesn’t’ feel as fast as JFW eloquence. Ultimately depends on the ear I suppose. Again though, no way I’d ever be able to get anywhere this fast with Braille.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 2:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Generally, I find on most synthesizers, running at 100 percent is difficult, because the speech rate causes it to break up, and that makes it difficult if not impossible to understand. I have to run Ivan 3 at 99 percent for windows, on the Iphone, I can only run at 95 percent (some voices only at 90 percent) because putting it at 100 percent makes the voice sound like it has a sore throat, and doesn't sound good at all. Interestingly enough though, on OSX, I routinely run voices at 100 percent, and occasionally even faster than that (when I can get it to work), and they work just fine, or at least they did last time I used a mac, which has been a couple months, due to issues with the laptop I have, but regardless, I find that in general, maxing out speech rate does nasty things to the voice quality, which makes it difficult to get maximum usage out of the synthesizers. Besides that, I have no idea how you would even guess at how many words per minute a particular speech rate gives you, so I can't verify the speeds folks post, because I have no way to confirm, those speeds.
On 7/14/2018 1:52 PM, The Wolf wrote:
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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Generally, the way pauses are handled is that if you want longer
pauses for the speech, you simply add extra punctuation. I.E. if
1 comma pauses for half a second, then two of them pauses for a
full second. I realize that NVDA isn't built this way, but most
dos screen readers were, and I believe speakup is also built this
way (the sonsole-based screen reader for linux). I don't know
about orca, since I've not experimented with such things uder
orca. Obviously, this only works when you have control over the
text being read by the synthesizer, and not stuff that is already
written, but it would be a nice start. On 7/13/2018 11:41 AM, Sociohack AC
wrote:
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Generally, I find on most synthesizers, running at 100 percent is
difficult, because the speech rate causes it to break up, and that
makes it difficult if not impossible to understand. I have to run
Ivan 3 at 99 percent for windows, on the Iphone, I can only run at
95 percent (some voices only at 90 percent) because putting it at
100 percent makes the voice sound like it has a sore throat, and
doesn't sound good at all. Interestingly enough though, on OSX, I
routinely run voices at 100 percent, and occasionally even faster
than that (when I can get it to work), and they work just fine, or
at least they did last time I used a mac, which has been a couple
months, due to issues with the laptop I have, but regardless, I
find that in general, maxing out speech rate does nasty things to
the voice quality, which makes it difficult to get maximum usage
out of the synthesizers. Besides that, I have no idea how you
would even guess at how many words per minute a particular speech
rate gives you, so I can't verify the speeds folks post, because I
have no way to confirm, those speeds. On 7/14/2018 1:52 PM, The Wolf wrote:
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