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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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Yes, I agree to most of this. it is amazing though what can be done later in life I learned Braille in my 50s and to me its amazing I can read it at all. I sat down and wrote a training program in basic after learning it and that helped me to remember the dots since I had to make them into visual representations decoded from English.

As I say, I'm glad I did learn it as now at least I can read all my medication as they are all brailed on the packets and bottles in the UK.
Brian

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From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


I’m a pretty compitant Braille reader. My general observation is that for the really fast or those who use/prefer Braille learned the skill from a really, really early age and didn’t have to ever transition from sighted reading. Most likely people who have either been blind all their life or had no useable vision from again, a very early age. Not that someone later in life couldn’t pick up the skill, but I’m going to guess that even the most dedicated adopters of Braille in these circumstances would never be able to reach the level or proficiency of an early adopter. Even prisoners who become Braille transcribers physically look at the Braille. I’m sure it has to do with something in the brain structure and all the funky connectors that are going on when you’re very young with absorbing information In a tactile form instead of visually and so on.

My vision loss was gradual and while I picked up Braille while I could still see, it wasn’t until my teens that I had to really give up print.

I cant’ even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension. Mind you, I went to college out of the country and got my degree mainly with the old school methods of readers and my own Braille notes. So it’s not that I’m adverse to Braille per say, but man, talk about shutter at the thought of going full Braille. I would find it physically and mentally exhausting.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around 180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is suggestive.



Are there techniques that slower Braille readers can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of the situation as it stands.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers




-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further?
Speed is my main conceen.
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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A lot of people read two handed and seem to be able to beat the display quite often. Its amazing if you can do it.
The problem with a lot of this is that sight is broadband whereas audio is like an old fashioned modem on a dodgy line, its often serial and hard to jump about in to regain the sense if skim reading.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further?
Speed is my main conceen.
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but not everyone is that fast at reading it either. I learned it later in life and have never really found it of much use for long texts, but that might not be everyone's experience. I just could not justify the costs of a display.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Claire Potter" <claire.potter99@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read
large amounts just be aware that using speech is really tiring, I use
braille for that reason ad have a braille display, I find that much easier.

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on
regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be
very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say
listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of
comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually
moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be
done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95%
and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very
comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys
suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is
there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen
readers on/

Regards



Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st

aikeo koomanivong
 

hi Joseph
thank you for good info
i visited your website but no public link to your mp3 file
if you've a free time could you please make them to public link
regards

On 7/15/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Try http instead of https link.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for
part 3 on july 21st



Hi, Joseph

Thanks for sharing the link for the tech support part 2. However, when I am
about to save the recorded file as mp3 to my machine I have no luck to
download it. The reason of asking for this is just in case I wanted to
review forward or perhaps to move to next I could easily playback it from
here. Thanks a lot.

Robert Mendoza



On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,



The second part of NVDA Technical Support: An Introduction webinar is now
up:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar2.mp3



If you are curious about how the log file works or wanting to know how to
understand log entries, this is the part you don't want to skip.



Also, the third and final webinar in this series will take place on July
21,
2018 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC). We'll go over recognizing and
troubleshooting common NVDA problems. The location is the same:
josephsl.net
TeamTalk server.



Until then, help at least two people on various channels (users list,
Twitter, Facebook, etc.), with at least one of them involving reading and
understanding NVDA log. While doing that, come up with at least three
problems you or users may encounter as they use NVDA.



Lastly, if there is sufficient demand, I'll host a webinar in fall 2018
(around the time NVDA 2018.3 is being finalized) on how to use Remote
Support add-on for its intended purpose: technical support, including
attitudes, procedures, and activities people should NOT do with this
add-on.



Cheers,

Joseph








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Word 2016 crashes often

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx.  This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
 
  Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? 
Is this because  of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? 
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack


Add-on development guide: minor updates as of July 2018

 

Hi all,

 

The NVDA Add-on Development Guide has been updated:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/NVDA%20Add-on%20Development%20Guide

 

New in this version:

  • Fixed some misspellings.
  • In Appendix D, added entries on how to retrieve IAccessibleObject and UIAElement.

 

Notes about certain items added in Appendix D:

  • I want to contribute features of my add-on to NVDA screen reader: you need to send in a pull request to NVDA and ready to answer review questions. But first, be sure to go over issues from https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues to make sure you are not creating a duplicate issue. Also, be sure to test your code thoroughly (yes, thoroughly) before sending in a pull request, especially given changes made to release process in recent days.
  • I wish to bring a feature from another screen reader to NVDA: be sure to provide a justification or two. These must be solid, compelling, and worthy of a community project. Questionable justifications include saying things like, “just because this and that screen reader has this and that feature” without giving very good reasons, “because I like this feature from this and that screen reader” without providing use cases that’ll have community impact, and “I want NVDA to have greater market share thanks to this and that feature” without going into solid details as to why (when I’m asked to review pull requests like these, I’ll surely ask for justifications).
  • I want to release version 1.0 of my code with everything included: don’t do it unless you know why, know what you are doing, or specifically mentioned in a contract you agreed to. While doing everything in 1.0 is a worthy effort, it requires more precise planning.
  • I wish to make my code run faster and error-free: NEVER, EVER DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE TO OR KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING! Please don’t even think about doing such a thing or struggle with minimizing errors until you create a working solution, and then think about it when the opportunity presents itself (trust me, I fell into premature optimization trap many times). If you truly wish to make your code run faster and/or minimize errors, be prepared to gather more data than calling time.time() function and printing what it gives you or assume that you can’t reproduce the bug people are reporting (I’d be happy to discuss tricks you can use to optimize your NVDA add-ons if there is sufficient demand on the add-ons list).

 

One more question which I’ll add to 2018.3 edition of this guide (August):

  • I wish to just ship pyc/pyo version of my add-on: first, that’s illegal in the eyes of GPL (unless you are given exceptions), and second, a skilled programmer can reconstruct the source code by disassembling it, inspecting it via Python Console and what not. Also, add-on reviewers need the source code of your add-on to help them review your solution(s) better. So if you do offer an add-on to the community and provide only a compiled file, chances are that reviewers will insist on having the source code in front of them (for add-ons I’m asked to review, an add-on without its source code will receive an automatic “basic review rejected” notice because without that, basic review cannot be done).

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA focus problem.

John Isige
 

Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.

On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
previous Windows revisions.


On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
but why?


On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001

If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
pay for.


On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
   Hi John,

I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly. It
certainly is annoying.

I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.

George

-----Original Message----- From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.

Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a track,
so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
remains in the file.


If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
read the
window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
Winamp's
window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
play. But
if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
title is
read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
for
the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in Winamp
or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.


Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
something?
In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
release
alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the other
window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should and
NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of course,
but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.












Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

May as well be a virus, its why I had to quit the dvdvideosoft software and buy my own, all those added programs screwed things up and I had to reformat.

Ironically, the applien stuff while accessible enough is still a bit clunky for me and so I don't use it, I have youtube dl which works, youtube dl-g in fact, its just a pitty version 0.38 is the only accessible well usable version out there.

With the death of a lot of the listentoyoutube sites like listentoyoutube.com youtubetomp3.com etc well.

Anyway, youtube dl-g 038 is what I use now.

Sadly winlame was a good converter, but sadly it doesn't do wav and has a lot of problems in the latest versions.

So my goldwave I have payed for comes in handy.

Ironically I don't use that software for what its meant for either.

Its for ripping cds mostly, converting waves mp3s and flacks and thats about it still I am getting a lot out of my 40 bucks.

Out of all the software I use mostly, goldwave,cdbxp, thunderbird, waterfox, ie, winamp, and youtubedl-g and 7zip, as well as dropbox a lot of the rest exists some comes and goes as I need or don't need it.

On 7/15/2018 2:15 PM, David Tanner wrote:
No, Avast is not a virous. It is supposedly an anti virous software. Believe it or not there is a difference.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


If you are a blind person, you may not see the bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with the installers. While you should use the custom installation option, that is no guarantee as a blind person. And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and should be used, doesn't know about everything.


I would say that, before installing anything free, blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind computer users.


Gene

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From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)


CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure. I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky <https://unchecky.com/>; , install it, and leave it there to do its job. It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2. Never take the "typical" install option. Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.


Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

When I use the Try-Build, NVDA works with Microsoft Edge perfectly. Have no problems with anything, but sometimes being thrown in the icons pain of Edge. There is something about this build that my PC running the latest build of Windows 10 Spring Creator loves.


Even ETI Eloquence sounds fuller and responds better when using it.


Is there a list or something I can subscribe too for alerts on any updates? I'm sticking with this as my primary screen reader even though Joseph warns me against doing so. Sorry, but it works much better for me overall, especially with Edge.


On 7/14/2018 11:15 AM, Kevin wrote:

In Edge all the shortcut keys ctrl+j and ctrl+I works, at least with jaws 2018!

Are you having a problem with NVDA in Edge saying entering navigation, exiting navigation; entering search, exiting search etc…

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,

 

 

Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to

invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.

 

 

Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.

 

 

Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently

been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.

 

 

NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It

also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most

of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump

through web content.

 

 

Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of

Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.

 

 

I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to

do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional

Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!

 

 

The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed

in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page

content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.

 

 

Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire

pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and

[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to

hide/dismiss it again.

 

 

Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being

released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is

implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications

more accessible got me thinking.

 

 

Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've

experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean

they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider

testers and bug reports.)

 

 

Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and

stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the

bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping

Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.

 

 

By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard

shortcuts:

 

Visit

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html

 

 

It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start

using it more.

 

-Kenny

 

 

 



Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st

 

Hi,

Try http instead of https link.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st

 

Hi, Joseph

Thanks for sharing the link for the tech support part 2. However, when I am about to save the recorded file as mp3 to my machine I have no luck to download it. The reason of asking for this is just in case I wanted to review forward or perhaps to move to next I could easily playback it from here. Thanks a lot.

Robert Mendoza

 

On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

The second part of NVDA Technical Support: An Introduction webinar is now up:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar2.mp3

 

If you are curious about how the log file works or wanting to know how to understand log entries, this is the part you don’t want to skip.

 

Also, the third and final webinar in this series will take place on July 21, 2018 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC). We’ll go over recognizing and troubleshooting common NVDA problems. The location is the same: josephsl.net TeamTalk server.

 

Until then, help at least two people on various channels (users list, Twitter, Facebook, etc.), with at least one of them involving reading and understanding NVDA log. While doing that, come up with at least three problems you or users may encounter as they use NVDA.

 

Lastly, if there is sufficient demand, I’ll host a webinar in fall 2018 (around the time NVDA 2018.3 is being finalized) on how to use Remote Support add-on for its intended purpose: technical support, including attitudes, procedures, and activities people should NOT do with this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Joseph

Thanks for sharing the link for the tech support part 2. However, when I am about to save the recorded file as mp3 to my machine I have no luck to download it. The reason of asking for this is just in case I wanted to review forward or perhaps to move to next I could easily playback it from here. Thanks a lot.

Robert Mendoza


On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

The second part of NVDA Technical Support: An Introduction webinar is now up:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar2.mp3

 

If you are curious about how the log file works or wanting to know how to understand log entries, this is the part you don’t want to skip.

 

Also, the third and final webinar in this series will take place on July 21, 2018 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC). We’ll go over recognizing and troubleshooting common NVDA problems. The location is the same: josephsl.net TeamTalk server.

 

Until then, help at least two people on various channels (users list, Twitter, Facebook, etc.), with at least one of them involving reading and understanding NVDA log. While doing that, come up with at least three problems you or users may encounter as they use NVDA.

 

Lastly, if there is sufficient demand, I’ll host a webinar in fall 2018 (around the time NVDA 2018.3 is being finalized) on how to use Remote Support add-on for its intended purpose: technical support, including attitudes, procedures, and activities people should NOT do with this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Jackie
 

Ibrahim, you don't provide us w/a lot of information, ie, what version
of Windows you use, what websites crash the pc, how much ram, disk
space, & free disk space do you have, & other information you think
might help us.

On 7/14/18, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some
websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it
impossible to browse. I have to relaunch the screenreader all over
again. It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system. With NVDA
sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on
the computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It
happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is
the case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.



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Re: NVDA focus problem.

Richard Wells
 

John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in previous Windows revisions.

On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
but why?


On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001

If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
pay for.


On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
   Hi John,

I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly.  It
certainly is annoying.

I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.

George

-----Original Message----- From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.

Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a track,
so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
remains in the file.


If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't read the
window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to Winamp's
window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to play. But
if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The title is
read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands for
the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in Winamp
or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.


Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or something?
In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window, release
alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the other
window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should and
NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of course,
but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.










Re: I think Avast is a virus :-)

David Tanner
 

No, Avast is not a virous.  It is supposedly an anti virous software.  Believe it or not there is a difference.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 5:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

If you are a blind person, you may not see the bundling offers in a custom installation because of accessibility problems with the installers.  While you should use the custom installation option, that is no guarantee as a blind person.  And uncheckie, while it sees a lot and should be used, doesn't know about everything. 

 

I would say that, before installing anything free, blind people should ask about the installation on one or more lists of blind computer users.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I think Avast is a virus :-)

 

CCleaner (Piriform as a whole) is now owned by Avast and "an offer" to install it comes with every CCleaner free install.

If you choose the "typical" installation you'll get it for sure.  I tell everyone two things if they want to avoid the installation of software bundled with other software they want:

1. Get Unchecky, install it, and leave it there to do its job.  It's resource footprint is minuscule.

2.  Never take the "typical" install option.  Always choose customize, which gives you the full view of what the installer intends to do at each step, including the installation of other bundled software, so that you can make intentional choices.

You do not need to purchase the paid version of CCleaner, or virtually any "free" program, to avoid the loathsome practice of bundling but you do need to NEVER take the "typical" install, at a minimum, and it's really helpful to use Unchecky in case you might happen to miss one of the checkboxes you'd need to uncheck to avoid having something you don't want installed.
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: NVDA focus problem.

John Isige
 

What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
but why?

On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001

If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
pay for.


On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
   Hi John,

I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly.  It
certainly is annoying.

I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.

George

-----Original Message----- From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.

Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a track,
so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
remains in the file.


If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't read the
window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to Winamp's
window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to play. But
if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The title is
read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands for
the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in Winamp
or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.


Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or something?
In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window, release
alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the other
window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should and
NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of course,
but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.








Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some
websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it
impossible to browse. I have to relaunch the screenreader all over
again. It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system. With NVDA
sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on
the computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It
happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is
the case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Cristóbal
 

My eloquence is usually between 82/85% with Jaws. Eloquence with NVDA for whatever reason feels somehow different. On some of the NVDA voices, I max out and it still doesn’t’ feel as fast as JFW eloquence.

Ultimately depends on the ear I suppose. Again though, no way I’d ever be able to get anywhere this fast with Braille.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

Generally, I find on most synthesizers, running at 100 percent is difficult, because the speech rate causes it to break up, and that makes it difficult if not impossible to understand.  I have to run Ivan 3 at 99 percent for windows, on the Iphone, I can only run at 95 percent (some voices only at 90 percent) because putting it at 100 percent makes the voice sound like it has a sore throat, and doesn't sound good at all.  Interestingly enough though, on OSX, I routinely run voices at 100 percent, and occasionally even faster than that (when I can get it to work), and they work just fine, or at least they did last time I used a mac, which has been a couple months, due to issues with the laptop I have, but regardless, I find that in general, maxing out speech rate does nasty things to the voice quality, which makes it difficult to get maximum usage out of the synthesizers.  Besides that, I have no idea how you would even guess at how many words per minute a particular speech rate gives you, so I can't verify the speeds folks post, because I have no way to confirm, those speeds.

 

On 7/14/2018 1:52 PM, The Wolf wrote:

I have eloquence set to 65 percent 112 words a minute

it took me a couple of years to get my brain trained to under stand the speech that fast but that is what I have mine set at

 

On 7/14/2018 2:22 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards



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Re: pauses after punctuation and sentence end in different speech synthesizers

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Generally, the way pauses are handled is that if you want longer pauses for the speech, you simply add extra punctuation.  I.E. if 1 comma pauses for half a second, then two of them pauses for a full second.  I realize that NVDA isn't built this way, but most dos screen readers were, and I believe speakup is also built this way (the sonsole-based screen reader for linux).  I don't know about orca, since I've not experimented with such things uder orca.  Obviously, this only works when you have control over the text being read by the synthesizer, and not stuff that is already written, but it would be a nice start.


On 7/13/2018 11:41 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hahah, Hazel should definitely get an appearance fee.

Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA.  SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses.  For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
Someone please introduce this feature.  --
Regards,
Sociohack



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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Generally, I find on most synthesizers, running at 100 percent is difficult, because the speech rate causes it to break up, and that makes it difficult if not impossible to understand.  I have to run Ivan 3 at 99 percent for windows, on the Iphone, I can only run at 95 percent (some voices only at 90 percent) because putting it at 100 percent makes the voice sound like it has a sore throat, and doesn't sound good at all.  Interestingly enough though, on OSX, I routinely run voices at 100 percent, and occasionally even faster than that (when I can get it to work), and they work just fine, or at least they did last time I used a mac, which has been a couple months, due to issues with the laptop I have, but regardless, I find that in general, maxing out speech rate does nasty things to the voice quality, which makes it difficult to get maximum usage out of the synthesizers.  Besides that, I have no idea how you would even guess at how many words per minute a particular speech rate gives you, so I can't verify the speeds folks post, because I have no way to confirm, those speeds.


On 7/14/2018 1:52 PM, The Wolf wrote:

I have eloquence set to 65 percent 112 words a minute

it took me a couple of years to get my brain trained to under stand the speech that fast but that is what I have mine set at


On 7/14/2018 2:22 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y



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