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Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see.  All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields.  Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work.  If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great.  It gives great feedback for open  dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on.

I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue.

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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Matt Turner
 

I'm having

said problem as well, in chrome.
Its like speech lags, restart NVDA, works fine for awhile, then back to lag.
Its like, press down erro, then 2 seconds later, speech gets to wear I am.
I've had this laptop  for 7 years.
Windows 8.1, 64 bit, 4gigs of ram.

On 7/15/2018 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.




On 7/15/2018 8:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
This is why so many people suggest a complete reinstall, but lets not give up yet. maybe somebody will recognise the symptoms.
I'm assuming that the normal functions like browse and focus mode work in the browsers you use normally?
It might also be interesting to know if you have an anti virus other then Microsoft's own.

When you say Chrome does not work. is this work at all or does it just not read pages?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader


Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC.  When I am on some
websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it
impossible to browse.  I have to relaunch the screenreader all over
again.  It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system.  With NVDA
sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem.  What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on
the computer.  But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It
happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC.  I don't understand why this is
the case.  I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

David Moore
 

Yes, NVDA and edge are working better for me than Chrome as well.

I am very excited as well about how much feedback I get in Edge.

For example, NVDA will say:

Do you want to save or open the file, and gives a key command.

Chrome does not give you that feedback.

It is very exciting, because edge can do so much.

David Moore

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From: Kenny
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

When I use the Try-Build, NVDA works with Microsoft Edge perfectly. Have no problems with anything, but sometimes being thrown in the icons pain of Edge. There is something about this build that my PC running the latest build of Windows 10 Spring Creator loves.

 

Even ETI Eloquence sounds fuller and responds better when using it.

 

Is there a list or something I can subscribe too for alerts on any updates? I'm sticking with this as my primary screen reader even though Joseph warns me against doing so. Sorry, but it works much better for me overall, especially with Edge.

 

On 7/14/2018 11:15 AM, Kevin wrote:

In Edge all the shortcut keys ctrl+j and ctrl+I works, at least with jaws 2018!

Are you having a problem with NVDA in Edge saying entering navigation, exiting navigation; entering search, exiting search etc…

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Kenny
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.

 

Good day,

 

 

Well with Joseph's announcement about the NVDA Try Build, I decided to

invest more time in using Microsoft's applications on my Windows 10 PC.

 

 

Started things off with the Microsoft Edge browser.

 

 

Not sure if it's the new Try-Build or a lot of changes have recently

been made to Edge overall, but it works pretty damn well with NVDA.

 

 

NVDA reads All of the push notification bar messages automatically. It

also informs me when the page has fully loaded (Loading complete.) Most

of the NVDA quick navigation key shortcuts do work to quickly jump

through web content.

 

 

Love... love... love... the Reading View ([Ctrl]+[Shift]+[r]) feature of

Edge. This alone is starting to make me a Chrome to Edge convert.

 

 

I hate to say it, but managing Favorites in Edge is much much easier to

do then with Chrome in my humble opinion. Microsoft uses a traditional

Treeview structure in their manager. Very nice!

 

 

The only problem I'm having is when I find myself sometimes being placed

in the toolbar icons pain of Edge. I quickly jump back to the web page

content by pressing [F6]. I just get annoyed with this at times.

 

 

Curious why they don't implement a shortcut key to display that entire

pain (Similar to [Ctrl]+[i] for Favorites, [Ctrl]+[h] for History, and

[Ctrl]+[j] for Downloads?) I could simply hit the [Escape] key to

hide/dismiss it again.

 

 

Reading Joseph's recent email regarding the Try-Build of NVDA being

released and us really caring about the changes Microsoft is

implementing all the time to make their line of Windows applications

more accessible got me thinking.

 

 

Why can't I give their programs a chance? Yes, in the past I've

experienced a lot of problems with their applications. That doesn't mean

they've not made efforts to correct things (Due to feedback from Insider

testers and bug reports.)

 

 

Time for me to start using the free tools Microsoft has developed and

stop searching for replacements. And I mean all of the tools (Even the

bug report and feedback submission tools.) This is key to helping

Microsoft fix things they may not yet be aware of.

 

 

By the way, if you want a nice resource listing Microsoft Edge keyboard

shortcuts:

 

Visit

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/5620-microsoft-edge-keyboard-shortcuts-list.html

 

 

It really has morphed into a pretty good browser. I'm going to start

using it more.

 

-Kenny

 

 

 

 

 
Re: Word 2016 crashes often

Akshaya Choudhary
 

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 01:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.
Can you save the converted file from word before it crashes as another name?
It would be interesting to see what the file length is.
I have to say even in old versions of Word I used to get hangs and ended up
cutting up large files into two.

Its really hard to say more about it, unless we know more. is it every book,
even short ones. Does the conversion maybe corrupt the word doc at some
point resulting in the crash?

I very seldom have good experiences with big pdfs as they normally forget to
tag the reading order changes at some point making whole sections into
gibberish.
I just wondered why you converted it? Is it possible to read it in its
native pdf?
Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often


I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using
NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't
happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some
other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself

Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself?
Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and
word is not able to handle the formatting?
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack
Hello Brian! 
The file crashes after they have been saved. Conversions are saved successfully, but when I reopen the file it most certainly crashes after certain time.  If I let me stay open and don't navigate them with NVDA, they don't crash. The problem occurs when I'm working on them with NVDA.  
Yes, they are mostly big files. But even with shorter files, it will crash, only after a slightly longer duration. 
In short, I can't read a 200 page novel in a single go, word will crash. So I have to  close the file at regular intervals, say every half an hour, to avoid frustration. 
I need to add comments and highlight text for revision later on. Can all this be done in native PDF itself? Please let me know if this is possible. I don't know much about navigating PDFs with NVDA.  Have always converted them to word. 
 It would be great if I could on the native PDF itself. 
 
-- 
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: NVDA focus problem.

Felix G.
 

Hello!
This may very well be related to an issue I previously reported:
Focus tracking seems to have degraded at some point, speculatively speaking, as the result of UIA coming to replace MSAA more and more. A fix isn't in sight as it seems to be hard to reproduce for those well versed in the details of NVDA's architecture. So I suggest that anyone affected comment there also. The more data, the more likely a reproduction.
The emerging pattern seems to be that it happens much less frequently on very fast machines, and more frequently in the presence of cpu-intensive processes, indicating a timing issue leading to dropped events.
Best,
Felix

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I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the
next feature of changing alt tab etc so you can have lots of sessions
instead of 1?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.


Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.


On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
> John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
> previous Windows revisions.
>
>
> On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
>> What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
>> but why?
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
>>> I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:
>>>
>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
>>> "AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001
>>>
>>> If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
>>> get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
>>> making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
>>> computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
>>> pay for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> I have the same problem. You have described it perfectly. It
>>>> certainly is annoying.
>>>>
>>>> I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Isige
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
>>>> Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
>>>> doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a track,
>>>> so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
>>>> Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
>>>> alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
>>>> remains in the file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
>>>> read the
>>>> window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
>>>> Winamp's
>>>> window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
>>>> play. But
>>>> if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
>>>> title is
>>>> read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
>>>> both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
>>>> for
>>>> the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in Winamp
>>>> or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
>>>> something?
>>>> In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
>>>> update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
>>>> release
>>>> alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the other
>>>> window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should and
>>>> NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of course,
>>>> but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Shaun Everiss
 

I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.

On 7/15/2018 8:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
This is why so many people suggest a complete reinstall, but lets not give up yet. maybe somebody will recognise the symptoms.
I'm assuming that the normal functions like browse and focus mode work in the browsers you use normally?
It might also be interesting to know if you have an anti virus other then Microsoft's own.

When you say Chrome does not work. is this work at all or does it just not read pages?
Brian

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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader


Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC.  When I am on some
websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it
impossible to browse.  I have to relaunch the screenreader all over
again.  It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system.  With NVDA
sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem.  What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on
the computer.  But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It
happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC.  I don't understand why this is
the case.  I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: Word 2016 crashes often

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.
Can you save the converted file from word before it crashes as another name?
It would be interesting to see what the file length is.
I have to say even in old versions of Word I used to get hangs and ended up cutting up large files into two.

Its really hard to say more about it, unless we know more. is it every book, even short ones. Does the conversion maybe corrupt the word doc at some point resulting in the crash?

I very seldom have good experiences with big pdfs as they normally forget to tag the reading order changes at some point making whole sections into gibberish.
I just wondered why you converted it? Is it possible to read it in its native pdf?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often


I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself

Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself?
Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting?
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Word 2016 crashes often

Monte Single
 

A suggestion;

  Convert the document.

Save it as a word document, or which ever format you prefer.

Close the pdf file.

Open the converted document.

Just a thought;  no promises.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: July-15-18 12:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often

 

I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx.  This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
 
  Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? 
Is this because  of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? 
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack

Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
This is why so many people suggest a complete reinstall, but lets not give up yet. maybe somebody will recognise the symptoms.
I'm assuming that the normal functions like browse and focus mode work in the browsers you use normally?
It might also be interesting to know if you have an anti virus other then Microsoft's own.

When you say Chrome does not work. is this work at all or does it just not read pages?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader


Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some
websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it
impossible to browse. I have to relaunch the screenreader all over
again. It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system. With NVDA
sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on
the computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It
happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is
the case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.
Re: NVDA focus problem.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the next feature of changing alt tab etc so you can have lots of sessions instead of 1?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.


Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.


On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
previous Windows revisions.


On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
but why?


On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
"AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001

If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
pay for.


On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
Hi John,

I have the same problem. You have described it perfectly. It
certainly is annoying.

I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.

George

-----Original Message----- From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.

Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a track,
so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
remains in the file.


If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
read the
window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
Winamp's
window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
play. But
if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
title is
read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
for
the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in Winamp
or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.


Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
something?
In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
release
alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the other
window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should and
NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of course,
but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.
Re: Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Another thought is to save it as good old DOC say word 2003 or something else. Then if you still cannot get any sense, reload it into Jarte as often that presents things normally.
It would be good if you could get a sighted person to see what is going on, as it may well be the way its formatted that is making things appear wrong when they are in fact right. If its a pdf then to be honest I'd say somebody at the agency who sent it needs some disability training!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA)


Hello. Your English is far better than I can speak whatever your
native language is. Don't worry about it, please. As long as we can
understand each other, we're good. What's your name?

As to your problem, I rather suspect that your form is in protected
mode. You should save it in order to disable that. I recommend saving
it to a different name than the original, so you'll always have that 1
as a backup in case the form you're working with somehow gets messed
up (it happens). Also, when you do save it, the computer will want to
save it to a temporary folder. Browse to your documents folder or
another of your choosing & save it there instead.

Then you can use the tab & shift-tab key to fill in the fields.

Please let me know if my instructions are clear &/or if they help.
Good luck & much success on your thesis.

On 7/14/18, prem.translator@gmail.com <prem.translator@gmail.com> wrote:
I recieved a form which is the templet for my Thesis. However, when I open
the document I pressed enter and type down some information, it seems that
the information didn't appear in the edit box, but before it. Moreover, it
appeared one line for each information instead of in the same line like in
the form.
e.g.
There are three edit boxes in the same line, Title, firstname and surname,
but the information I put is not in the box and separated to be one
information for each line.

How can I deal with it?
Please help me and really sorry for my English.




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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is very interesting, as If I go anywhere near as fast as I have Espeak set to with Eloquence it all merges into a kind of moaning with a big lisp every so often. This of course could be that the UK version is not as good as the American one for us. Its similar to how the US English sounds American to me, but to Americans they say its wrong, only the other way around!
Brian

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From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


I have eloquence set to 65 percent 112 words a minute

it took me a couple of years to get my brain trained to under stand the
speech that fast but that is what I have mine set at


On 7/14/2018 2:22 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on
regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be
very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say
listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of
comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually
moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be
done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95%
and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very
comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys
suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is
there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen
readers on/

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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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I would suggest that there are some displays that do not clatter and with a very directional mike you might not have an issue.

Of course you could always work from hard copy. I can hear sometimes on BBC In touch when Peter White is referring to his notes the gentle his of him scanning the pages with his fingers.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:34 PM
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Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I cant' even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension.
I am a competent enough braille reader that I gave some thought to working for a company narrating things on tape, or mp3, or whatever they do nowadays. When I was in school, I got called on to read aloud in English class more than almost anyone else there.
The only problem I see is that if i'm reading books in audible format, the clicking of the braille display will be heard. I guess a noise gate could filter that out, but that adds more processing time, which adds more expense, which brings the cost to benefit ratio of hiring me too out of balance. Another dream down the tubes.
Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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Yes, I agree to most of this. it is amazing though what can be done later in life I learned Braille in my 50s and to me its amazing I can read it at all. I sat down and wrote a training program in basic after learning it and that helped me to remember the dots since I had to make them into visual representations decoded from English.

As I say, I'm glad I did learn it as now at least I can read all my medication as they are all brailed on the packets and bottles in the UK.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


I’m a pretty compitant Braille reader. My general observation is that for the really fast or those who use/prefer Braille learned the skill from a really, really early age and didn’t have to ever transition from sighted reading. Most likely people who have either been blind all their life or had no useable vision from again, a very early age. Not that someone later in life couldn’t pick up the skill, but I’m going to guess that even the most dedicated adopters of Braille in these circumstances would never be able to reach the level or proficiency of an early adopter. Even prisoners who become Braille transcribers physically look at the Braille. I’m sure it has to do with something in the brain structure and all the funky connectors that are going on when you’re very young with absorbing information In a tactile form instead of visually and so on.

My vision loss was gradual and while I picked up Braille while I could still see, it wasn’t until my teens that I had to really give up print.

I cant’ even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension. Mind you, I went to college out of the country and got my degree mainly with the old school methods of readers and my own Braille notes. So it’s not that I’m adverse to Braille per say, but man, talk about shutter at the thought of going full Braille. I would find it physically and mentally exhausting.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around 180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is suggestive.



Are there techniques that slower Braille readers can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of the situation as it stands.



Gene

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-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further?
Speed is my main conceen.
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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A lot of people read two handed and seem to be able to beat the display quite often. Its amazing if you can do it.
The problem with a lot of this is that sight is broadband whereas audio is like an old fashioned modem on a dodgy line, its often serial and hard to jump about in to regain the sense if skim reading.
Brian

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-- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further?
Speed is my main conceen.
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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Yes but not everyone is that fast at reading it either. I learned it later in life and have never really found it of much use for long texts, but that might not be everyone's experience. I just could not justify the costs of a display.
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read
large amounts just be aware that using speech is really tiring, I use
braille for that reason ad have a braille display, I find that much easier.

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 14/07/2018 10:22, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on
regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be
very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say
listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of
comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually
moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be
done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95%
and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very
comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys
suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is
there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen
readers on/

Regards
Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

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Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards
Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st

aikeo koomanivong
 

hi Joseph
thank you for good info
i visited your website but no public link to your mp3 file
if you've a free time could you please make them to public link
regards

On 7/15/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Try http instead of https link.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for
part 3 on july 21st



Hi, Joseph

Thanks for sharing the link for the tech support part 2. However, when I am
about to save the recorded file as mp3 to my machine I have no luck to
download it. The reason of asking for this is just in case I wanted to
review forward or perhaps to move to next I could easily playback it from
here. Thanks a lot.

Robert Mendoza



On 7/15/2018 1:21 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,



The second part of NVDA Technical Support: An Introduction webinar is now
up:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar2.mp3



If you are curious about how the log file works or wanting to know how to
understand log entries, this is the part you don't want to skip.



Also, the third and final webinar in this series will take place on July
21,
2018 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC). We'll go over recognizing and
troubleshooting common NVDA problems. The location is the same:
josephsl.net
TeamTalk server.



Until then, help at least two people on various channels (users list,
Twitter, Facebook, etc.), with at least one of them involving reading and
understanding NVDA log. While doing that, come up with at least three
problems you or users may encounter as they use NVDA.



Lastly, if there is sufficient demand, I'll host a webinar in fall 2018
(around the time NVDA 2018.3 is being finalized) on how to use Remote
Support add-on for its intended purpose: technical support, including
attitudes, procedures, and activities people should NOT do with this
add-on.



Cheers,

Joseph








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Word 2016 crashes often

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx.  This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
 
  Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? 
Is this because  of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? 
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack
Add-on development guide: minor updates as of July 2018

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

The NVDA Add-on Development Guide has been updated:

https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/NVDA%20Add-on%20Development%20Guide

 

New in this version:

  • Fixed some misspellings.
  • In Appendix D, added entries on how to retrieve IAccessibleObject and UIAElement.

 

Notes about certain items added in Appendix D:

  • I want to contribute features of my add-on to NVDA screen reader: you need to send in a pull request to NVDA and ready to answer review questions. But first, be sure to go over issues from https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues to make sure you are not creating a duplicate issue. Also, be sure to test your code thoroughly (yes, thoroughly) before sending in a pull request, especially given changes made to release process in recent days.
  • I wish to bring a feature from another screen reader to NVDA: be sure to provide a justification or two. These must be solid, compelling, and worthy of a community project. Questionable justifications include saying things like, “just because this and that screen reader has this and that feature” without giving very good reasons, “because I like this feature from this and that screen reader” without providing use cases that’ll have community impact, and “I want NVDA to have greater market share thanks to this and that feature” without going into solid details as to why (when I’m asked to review pull requests like these, I’ll surely ask for justifications).
  • I want to release version 1.0 of my code with everything included: don’t do it unless you know why, know what you are doing, or specifically mentioned in a contract you agreed to. While doing everything in 1.0 is a worthy effort, it requires more precise planning.
  • I wish to make my code run faster and error-free: NEVER, EVER DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE TO OR KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING! Please don’t even think about doing such a thing or struggle with minimizing errors until you create a working solution, and then think about it when the opportunity presents itself (trust me, I fell into premature optimization trap many times). If you truly wish to make your code run faster and/or minimize errors, be prepared to gather more data than calling time.time() function and printing what it gives you or assume that you can’t reproduce the bug people are reporting (I’d be happy to discuss tricks you can use to optimize your NVDA add-ons if there is sufficient demand on the add-ons list).

 

One more question which I’ll add to 2018.3 edition of this guide (August):

  • I wish to just ship pyc/pyo version of my add-on: first, that’s illegal in the eyes of GPL (unless you are given exceptions), and second, a skilled programmer can reconstruct the source code by disassembling it, inspecting it via Python Console and what not. Also, add-on reviewers need the source code of your add-on to help them review your solution(s) better. So if you do offer an add-on to the community and provide only a compiled file, chances are that reviewers will insist on having the source code in front of them (for add-ons I’m asked to review, an add-on without its source code will receive an automatic “basic review rejected” notice because without that, basic review cannot be done).

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph
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