Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on. I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Matt Turner
I'm having
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said problem as well, in chrome. Its like speech lags, restart NVDA, works fine for awhile, then back to lag. Its like, press down erro, then 2 seconds later, speech gets to wear I am. I've had this laptop for 7 years. Windows 8.1, 64 bit, 4gigs of ram.
On 7/15/2018 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
David Moore
Yes, NVDA and edge are working better for me than Chrome as well. I am very excited as well about how much feedback I get in Edge. For example, NVDA will say: Do you want to save or open the file, and gives a key command. Chrome does not give you that feedback. It is very exciting, because edge can do so much. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Kenny
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:32 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
When I use the Try-Build, NVDA works with Microsoft Edge perfectly. Have no problems with anything, but sometimes being thrown in the icons pain of Edge. There is something about this build that my PC running the latest build of Windows 10 Spring Creator loves.
Even ETI Eloquence sounds fuller and responds better when using it.
Is there a list or something I can subscribe too for alerts on any updates? I'm sticking with this as my primary screen reader even though Joseph warns me against doing so. Sorry, but it works much better for me overall, especially with Edge.
On 7/14/2018 11:15 AM, Kevin wrote:
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Akshaya Choudhary
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 01:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.Hello Brian! The file crashes after they have been saved. Conversions are saved successfully, but when I reopen the file it most certainly crashes after certain time. If I let me stay open and don't navigate them with NVDA, they don't crash. The problem occurs when I'm working on them with NVDA. Yes, they are mostly big files. But even with shorter files, it will crash, only after a slightly longer duration. In short, I can't read a 200 page novel in a single go, word will crash. So I have to close the file at regular intervals, say every half an hour, to avoid frustration. I need to add comments and highlight text for revision later on. Can all this be done in native PDF itself? Please let me know if this is possible. I don't know much about navigating PDFs with NVDA. Have always converted them to word. It would be great if I could on the native PDF itself. -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Felix G.
Hello! This may very well be related to an issue I previously reported: Focus tracking seems to have degraded at some point, speculatively speaking, as the result of UIA coming to replace MSAA more and more. A fix isn't in sight as it seems to be hard to reproduce for those well versed in the details of NVDA's architecture. So I suggest that anyone affected comment there also. The more data, the more likely a reproduction. The emerging pattern seems to be that it happens much less frequently on very fast machines, and more frequently in the presence of cpu-intensive processes, indicating a timing issue leading to dropped events. Best, Felix Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am So., 15. Juli 2018 um 10:23 Uhr:
I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.
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On 7/15/2018 8:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.
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Can you save the converted file from word before it crashes as another name? It would be interesting to see what the file length is. I have to say even in old versions of Word I used to get hangs and ended up cutting up large files into two. Its really hard to say more about it, unless we know more. is it every book, even short ones. Does the conversion maybe corrupt the word doc at some point resulting in the crash? I very seldom have good experiences with big pdfs as they normally forget to tag the reading order changes at some point making whole sections into gibberish. I just wondered why you converted it? Is it possible to read it in its native pdf? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:54 AM Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? All suggestions are welcome -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Monte Single
A suggestion; Convert the document. Save it as a word document, or which ever format you prefer. Close the pdf file. Open the converted document. Just a thought; no promises.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
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This is why so many people suggest a complete reinstall, but lets not give up yet. maybe somebody will recognise the symptoms. I'm assuming that the normal functions like browse and focus mode work in the browsers you use normally? It might also be interesting to know if you have an anti virus other then Microsoft's own. When you say Chrome does not work. is this work at all or does it just not read pages? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:00 AM Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader Hi good people:
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the next feature of changing alt tab etc so you can have lots of sessions instead of 1?
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From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA focus problem. Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears, on the surface, to work exactly as it always has. On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote: John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
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Re: Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA)
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Another thought is to save it as good old DOC say word 2003 or something else. Then if you still cannot get any sense, reload it into Jarte as often that presents things normally.
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It would be good if you could get a sighted person to see what is going on, as it may well be the way its formatted that is making things appear wrong when they are in fact right. If its a pdf then to be honest I'd say somebody at the agency who sent it needs some disability training! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jackie" <abletec@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Urgently need help! (about edit form in Word2010 with NVDA) Hello. Your English is far better than I can speak whatever your
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
That is very interesting, as If I go anywhere near as fast as I have Espeak set to with Eloquence it all merges into a kind of moaning with a big lisp every so often. This of course could be that the UK version is not as good as the American one for us. Its similar to how the US English sounds American to me, but to Americans they say its wrong, only the other way around!
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From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers I have eloquence set to 65 percent 112 words a minute
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I would suggest that there are some displays that do not clatter and with a very directional mike you might not have an issue.
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Of course you could always work from hard copy. I can hear sometimes on BBC In touch when Peter White is referring to his notes the gentle his of him scanning the pages with his fingers. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Rob Hudson" <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote: I cant' even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension.I am a competent enough braille reader that I gave some thought to working for a company narrating things on tape, or mp3, or whatever they do nowadays. When I was in school, I got called on to read aloud in English class more than almost anyone else there. The only problem I see is that if i'm reading books in audible format, the clicking of the braille display will be heard. I guess a noise gate could filter that out, but that adds more processing time, which adds more expense, which brings the cost to benefit ratio of hiring me too out of balance. Another dream down the tubes.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes, I agree to most of this. it is amazing though what can be done later in life I learned Braille in my 50s and to me its amazing I can read it at all. I sat down and wrote a training program in basic after learning it and that helped me to remember the dots since I had to make them into visual representations decoded from English.
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As I say, I'm glad I did learn it as now at least I can read all my medication as they are all brailed on the packets and bottles in the UK. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Cristóbal" <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers I’m a pretty compitant Braille reader. My general observation is that for the really fast or those who use/prefer Braille learned the skill from a really, really early age and didn’t have to ever transition from sighted reading. Most likely people who have either been blind all their life or had no useable vision from again, a very early age. Not that someone later in life couldn’t pick up the skill, but I’m going to guess that even the most dedicated adopters of Braille in these circumstances would never be able to reach the level or proficiency of an early adopter. Even prisoners who become Braille transcribers physically look at the Braille. I’m sure it has to do with something in the brain structure and all the funky connectors that are going on when you’re very young with absorbing information In a tactile form instead of visually and so on. My vision loss was gradual and while I picked up Braille while I could still see, it wasn’t until my teens that I had to really give up print. I cant’ even imagine trying to read a book or anything really for an extended period of time in Braille. Much less at a rate of speed that would make it even remotely close to synthesizer reading and comprehension. Mind you, I went to college out of the country and got my degree mainly with the old school methods of readers and my own Braille notes. So it’s not that I’m adverse to Braille per say, but man, talk about shutter at the thought of going full Braille. I would find it physically and mentally exhausting. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers I've seen Braille readers read at speeds I estimate to be perhaps 250 or 300 words per minute. Most Braille readers I've observed have been much slower, tending, by my rough guess, to read at around 180 or 170 words per minute. These are my observations of about fifteen or twenty Braille readers, many of them, reading Braille since grammar school. It is not a proper sample but to me, it is suggestive. Are there techniques that slower Braille readers can use to significantly increase their speed? I don't know, Did some of these people learn to read Braille in different ways in terms of technique? I don't know. but that appears to me to be suggestive of the situation as it stands. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 5:12 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
A lot of people read two handed and seem to be able to beat the display quite often. Its amazing if you can do it.
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The problem with a lot of this is that sight is broadband whereas audio is like an old fashioned modem on a dodgy line, its often serial and hard to jump about in to regain the sense if skim reading. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers -- but, doesn't Braille slows you down further? Speed is my main conceen. Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes but not everyone is that fast at reading it either. I learned it later in life and have never really found it of much use for long texts, but that might not be everyone's experience. I just could not justify the costs of a display.
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From: "Claire Potter" <claire.potter99@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers Hi, I have the same problem, what I will say is that if you want to read
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
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I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use. I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times. I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers Hello season users of screen readers! Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen? All suggestions are welcome! Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/ Regards
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Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
aikeo koomanivong
hi Joseph
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thank you for good info i visited your website but no public link to your mp3 file if you've a free time could you please make them to public link regards
On 7/15/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, --
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Word 2016 crashes often
Akshaya Choudhary
I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? All suggestions are welcome -- Regards, Sociohack
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Add-on development guide: minor updates as of July 2018
Hi all,
The NVDA Add-on Development Guide has been updated: https://github.com/nvdaaddons/devguide/wiki/NVDA%20Add-on%20Development%20Guide
New in this version:
Notes about certain items added in Appendix D:
One more question which I’ll add to 2018.3 edition of this guide (August):
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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