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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?
Gene
The default dictionary reads items when you are
reading in a way that doesn't go letter by letter. You generally wouldn't
want letter by letter reading to have the dictionary do anything, you read
letter by letter to see exactly what is on the page, character by
character.
Also, I doubt the default dictionary sees an item
in full unless it is only one character when reading by character. If you
have told the dictionary to pronounce data as datuh, with a short a, moving
character by character wouldn't present the full word to the speech
dictionary. That is my assumption.
Gene
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I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts. This one, ❤️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart" Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into. When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version. I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin. Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart. Giles
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Is NVDA colourblind?
Hello all,
I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts. This one, ❤️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart" Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into. When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version. I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin. Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart. Giles
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Re: Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser
Gene
In other browsers, links are identified as visited
from history. If you delete history, all visited link indications will be
lost. It's an interesting speculation as to whether Edge is not making
history information available to browsers as it should.
Gene
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From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 8:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge
Browser With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on. I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
If the PDF had a lot of objects (IE, pictures) that were converted, it might be having trouble interacting with your screen-reader. I noticed this the other month when I converted a very large textbook to word format. At the time, I was using Word 2010, 32-bit. The 64-bit version does a better job of handling much larger files, from what I’ve so far observed, since acquiring Office 2016 64 not long ago. If there are a lot of pics in the document, you could try stripping them out. There are a couple of ways to do this – one involves creating a small macro. I found steps to do this on the web, and I currently can’t remember them. Maybe try find and replace first.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
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Re: Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser
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Fixing this and other Edge issues require close collaboration between UI Automation and NVDA: UIA to expose the right attributes, and teaching NVDA to recognize new attributes. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser Hi For me the frames (m), list items(i) unvisited links (u), visited links (v) and block quotes (q) are unsupported browse quick keys when using edge. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: 15 July 2018 14:27 To: NVDA Official Group Subject: [nvda] Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser Hi Group, With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on. I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of aikeo koomanivong Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 12:46 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Technical Support: part 2 posted, things to do for part 3 on july 21st hi Joseph thank you for good info i visited your website but no public link to your mp3 file if you've a free time could you please make them to public link regards On 7/15/18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, -- AIKEO KOOMANIVONG CFBT-ICEVI coordinator of LAO PDR. vise president accessible ICT and musical development for the blind Vocational development for LAO-blind association [VDBA] Office e-mail: vdba.lao@gmail.com Facebook page: www.facebook.com/laoblind.org my personal e-mail: mlp_keo@yahoo.com skype name: peba_007 mobile phone: +8562099993423 Facebook: www.facebook.com/keo.laoblind Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/aikeo-koomanivong/a7/156/b8b
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Hello again:
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I thank you all for your responses. I use windows7-32 bit. Actually, I don't know how to find out the information you are asking me for on my computer. I don't know how to find out the amount of ram the compiuter has, the disc space and free disc space. Please give me some tips on how to get this information from my computer. Added to that I set up Chrome at different times, and it simply crashes: I just don't understand why it happens. I don't even open web pages before this happens. Regards. Ibrahim.
On 7/15/18, Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm having
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Re: Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser
Chris Mullins
Hi
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For me the frames (m), list items(i) unvisited links (u), visited links (v) and block quotes (q) are unsupported browse quick keys when using edge. Cheers Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: 15 July 2018 14:27 To: NVDA Official Group Subject: [nvda] Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser Hi Group, With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on. I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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After a long time
Sakina
Dear Friends, I am once again seeking help after a long time. My computer was set up using outlook and I had office 2003 which for some reason had stopped working since Christmas of last year. Now my son has given window mail that is now working well and I am able to send and receive email happily. I have managed to learn the basics but I am failing to add new contact in my people app that is what it says I believe. Friends I will greatly appreciate for someone using window mail and can help me with step by step guidance. I am using the same desk top which was window 7 and than upgraded to window ten Now it is also updated to 18. Something. And also have always used NVDA Sorry for the ignorance. I hope I have made sense and I thank you all in advance for all your kind support. With best wishes and thank you all again Sakina
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Richard Wells
To a sighted person, the ALT+TAB looks completely different and has a completely new look and feel. Sadly, it also confuses screen access technology.
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On 7/15/2018 12:51 AM, John Isige wrote:
Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
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Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on. I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Matt Turner
I'm having
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said problem as well, in chrome. Its like speech lags, restart NVDA, works fine for awhile, then back to lag. Its like, press down erro, then 2 seconds later, speech gets to wear I am. I've had this laptop for 7 years. Windows 8.1, 64 bit, 4gigs of ram.
On 7/15/2018 5:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.
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Re: Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
David Moore
Yes, NVDA and edge are working better for me than Chrome as well. I am very excited as well about how much feedback I get in Edge. For example, NVDA will say: Do you want to save or open the file, and gives a key command. Chrome does not give you that feedback. It is very exciting, because edge can do so much. David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Kenny
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:32 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge is Starting to Grow on Me.
When I use the Try-Build, NVDA works with Microsoft Edge perfectly. Have no problems with anything, but sometimes being thrown in the icons pain of Edge. There is something about this build that my PC running the latest build of Windows 10 Spring Creator loves.
Even ETI Eloquence sounds fuller and responds better when using it.
Is there a list or something I can subscribe too for alerts on any updates? I'm sticking with this as my primary screen reader even though Joseph warns me against doing so. Sorry, but it works much better for me overall, especially with Edge.
On 7/14/2018 11:15 AM, Kevin wrote:
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Akshaya Choudhary
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 01:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.Hello Brian! The file crashes after they have been saved. Conversions are saved successfully, but when I reopen the file it most certainly crashes after certain time. If I let me stay open and don't navigate them with NVDA, they don't crash. The problem occurs when I'm working on them with NVDA. Yes, they are mostly big files. But even with shorter files, it will crash, only after a slightly longer duration. In short, I can't read a 200 page novel in a single go, word will crash. So I have to close the file at regular intervals, say every half an hour, to avoid frustration. I need to add comments and highlight text for revision later on. Can all this be done in native PDF itself? Please let me know if this is possible. I don't know much about navigating PDFs with NVDA. Have always converted them to word. It would be great if I could on the native PDF itself. -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Felix G.
Hello! This may very well be related to an issue I previously reported: Focus tracking seems to have degraded at some point, speculatively speaking, as the result of UIA coming to replace MSAA more and more. A fix isn't in sight as it seems to be hard to reproduce for those well versed in the details of NVDA's architecture. So I suggest that anyone affected comment there also. The more data, the more likely a reproduction. The emerging pattern seems to be that it happens much less frequently on very fast machines, and more frequently in the presence of cpu-intensive processes, indicating a timing issue leading to dropped events. Best, Felix Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am So., 15. Juli 2018 um 10:23 Uhr:
I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
I have issues on some sites like this and its probably the site.
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On 7/15/2018 8:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well I assume this is going to be a very big file.
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Can you save the converted file from word before it crashes as another name? It would be interesting to see what the file length is. I have to say even in old versions of Word I used to get hangs and ended up cutting up large files into two. Its really hard to say more about it, unless we know more. is it every book, even short ones. Does the conversion maybe corrupt the word doc at some point resulting in the crash? I very seldom have good experiences with big pdfs as they normally forget to tag the reading order changes at some point making whole sections into gibberish. I just wondered why you converted it? Is it possible to read it in its native pdf? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:54 AM Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself? Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting? All suggestions are welcome -- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: Word 2016 crashes often
Monte Single
A suggestion; Convert the document. Save it as a word document, or which ever format you prefer. Close the pdf file. Open the converted document. Just a thought; no promises.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself
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Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
On the face of it it sounds like all browsers are reacting to some issue on the machine itself to me, but as has been said we would need more info to be able to say what that might be. Sadly often when something goes bad in Windows its very hard to figure it out.
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This is why so many people suggest a complete reinstall, but lets not give up yet. maybe somebody will recognise the symptoms. I'm assuming that the normal functions like browse and focus mode work in the browsers you use normally? It might also be interesting to know if you have an anti virus other then Microsoft's own. When you say Chrome does not work. is this work at all or does it just not read pages? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@gmail.com> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:00 AM Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader Hi good people:
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Re: NVDA focus problem.
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I've not heard of this either. Is it perhaps a mistake when they removed the next feature of changing alt tab etc so you can have lots of sessions instead of 1?
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "John Isige" <gwynn@tds.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA focus problem. Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears, on the surface, to work exactly as it always has. On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote: John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
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