From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: 15 July 2018 21:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one, ❤️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 

Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz

Hi Group,

With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on.

I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

To a sighted person, the ALT+TAB looks completely different and has a
completely new look and feel. Sadly, it also confuses screen access
technology.


On 7/15/2018 12:51 AM, John Isige wrote:
> Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
> for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
> on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.
>
>
> On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
>> John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
>> previous Windows revisions.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>> What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
>>> but why?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
>>>> I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:
>>>>
>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
>>>> "AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001
>>>>
>>>> If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
>>>> get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
>>>> making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
>>>> computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
>>>> pay for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
>>>>>    Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly. It
>>>>> certainly is annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Isige
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
>>>>> Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
>>>>> doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a
>>>>> track,
>>>>> so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
>>>>> Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
>>>>> alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
>>>>> remains in the file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
>>>>> read the
>>>>> window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
>>>>> Winamp's
>>>>> window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
>>>>> play. But
>>>>> if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
>>>>> title is
>>>>> read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
>>>>> both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
>>>>> for
>>>>> the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in
>>>>> Winamp
>>>>> or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
>>>>> something?
>>>>> In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
>>>>> update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
>>>>> release
>>>>> alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the
>>>>> other
>>>>> window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should
>>>>> and
>>>>> NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of
>>>>> course,
>>>>> but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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It's not that NVDA is colorblind, but that the emoji database is ridden with anachronisms.  See:

https://emojipedia.org/heavy-black-heart/     and    https://www.emojibase.com/emoji/2764/heavyblackheart 

Which, while heavy, is absolutely not black.  It seems that NVDA is reading the terminology that was approved way back in 1993 when this emoji was officially approved, and that the naming was never changed even though the graphic that goes with it certainly has.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a
certain period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is
this one of them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz

Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz

Dear Friends,

I am once again seeking help after a long time.

My computer was set up using outlook and I had office 2003 which for some reason had stopped working since Christmas of last year.

Now my son has given window mail that is now working well and I am able to send and receive email happily.

I have managed to learn the basics but I am failing to add new contact in my people app that is what it says I believe.

Friends I will greatly appreciate for someone using window mail and can help me with step by step guidance.

I am using the same desk top which was window 7 and than upgraded to window ten

Now it is also updated to 18. Something.  And also have always used NVDA

Sorry for the ignorance. I hope I have made sense and I thank you all in advance for all your kind support.

With best wishes and thank you all again

Sakina

 

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