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kRe: Word 2016 crashes often

Akshaya Choudhary
 

But, no browse mode in Libre Office would mean loss of essential navigating features, like navigating with annotations or headings?
They are essential for my work.
I will try to save the word document as editable copy , instead of exact copy, in Abby Fine Reader. let's see if it helps.
Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I don't use twitter, but I believe that Twitter are removing an API that has advanced functions they say to make things simpler, but we all know its to get folk to use their site or their apps so the adverts can be seen.They are supposed to be releasing a much more detailed api, but are charging for use per user, which basically means that they are making a charge to avoid adverts. Strangely (ironic grin) not many third party twitter client writers have expressed any interest.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] Twitter on a windows 10 machine


Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz
Re: Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

The question is, is there any way a sighted person can see visited links?
If yes and its in a way which can exist in the browse mode buffer, then I guess it could but I've read the info and suspect not, at least not at the moment.
Brian

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From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: "NVDA Official Group" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Interesting Observations About NVDA And Edge Browser


Hi Group,

With all this talk about Microsoft Edge recently, I am intrigued by the one main flaw that I see. All major navigation items seem to work quite well such as headings, tables, lists, list items, combo boxes, buttons and edit fields. Of course as mentioned previously, the visited and unvisited links function does not work. If this is somehow ever fixed, Edge will work great. It gives great feedback for open dialogues, the notification bar, the save/save as dialogues and so on.

I wonder if some sort of add on could be set up to solve this one significant issue.

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Re: Word 2016 crashes often

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However I read that it does not crash for the sighted, which is a little worrying, and means perhaps that the virtual buffer created by word is just too big for nvda to cope with. In this case it might work better in Libra Office as it does not implement a browse mode for nvda.

Just a thought.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@ca.inter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often


If the PDF had a lot of objects (IE, pictures) that were converted, it might be having trouble interacting with your screen-reader. I noticed this the other month when I converted a very large textbook to word format. At the time, I was using Word 2010, 32-bit. The 64-bit version does a better job of handling much larger files, from what I’ve so far observed, since acquiring Office 2016 64 not long ago. If there are a lot of pics in the document, you could try stripping them out. There are a couple of ways to do this – one involves creating a small macro. I found steps to do this on the web, and I currently can’t remember them. Maybe try find and replace first.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: July 15, 2018 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Word 2016 crashes often



I'm observing, when I convert a book from PDF to word and navigate it using NVDA, the word document crashes after 30-40 minutes approx. This doesn't happen if I'm working on document which hasn't been converted from some other format, say when I'm writing a report in word itself

Why is this happening, is this because of NVDA or ms word itself?
Is this because of the heavily formatted PDFs that I convert to word and word is not able to handle the formatting?
All suggestions are welcome --
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: NVDA focus problem.

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you using alt+tab or windows+tab?  Windows+tab has definitely changed a lot with the timeline etc (although NVDA still works with it), but alt+tab looks and behaves much like it ever has.  I can't reproduce the title bar reading "explorer" myself (either with the latest alpha build or with NVDA 2018.2.1, both on Windows 10 fast insider), but perhaps if someone can, could you try pressing NVDA+F1 to open the log and give information about where the focus is, and if you copy the whole thing and send it to me in an email to info@... I can have a look.

For those having problems, what machine are you running and what other software?  EG, someone mentioned using a HP laptop - they are notorious for filling the notification area with their own little programs and utilities - as all laptop manufacturers do - but at times, some of those can have invisible windows which can cause interesting bugs like this (and since I'm using a vanilla desktop, it would explain why I can't repro it).  Also are you using any anti-virus software other than Windows defender?  That can often cause issues as well.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
On the other hand, it's been out there long enough for screen reading technology to catch up, unless the new way still has inconsistencies, of course. Then it would be Microsoft's turn to fix those in an update.
It is a fact, however, that focus isn't just lost when alt+tabbing but for instance also in many cases when a new window is opened by activating a desktop icon. So alt+tab may be part of the story but it is not comprehensive. In the worst case, alt+tab may be a distraction from a much more basic problem, which just so happens to become exacerbated when alt+tabbing.
Best,
Felix

Richard Wells <richwels@...> schrieb am So., 15. Juli 2018 um 15:31 Uhr:
To a sighted person, the ALT+TAB looks completely different and has a
completely new look and feel. Sadly, it also confuses screen access
technology.


On 7/15/2018 12:51 AM, John Isige wrote:
> Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
> for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
> on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.
>
>
> On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
>> John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
>> previous Windows revisions.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>> What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
>>> but why?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
>>>> I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:
>>>>
>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
>>>> "AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001
>>>>
>>>> If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
>>>> get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
>>>> making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
>>>> computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
>>>> pay for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
>>>>>    Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly. It
>>>>> certainly is annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Isige
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
>>>>> Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
>>>>> doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a
>>>>> track,
>>>>> so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
>>>>> Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
>>>>> alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
>>>>> remains in the file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
>>>>> read the
>>>>> window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
>>>>> Winamp's
>>>>> window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
>>>>> play. But
>>>>> if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
>>>>> title is
>>>>> read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
>>>>> both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
>>>>> for
>>>>> the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in
>>>>> Winamp
>>>>> or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
>>>>> something?
>>>>> In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
>>>>> update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
>>>>> release
>>>>> alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the
>>>>> other
>>>>> window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should
>>>>> and
>>>>> NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of
>>>>> course,
>>>>> but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Using PDF and EPUB with NVDA

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello guys!
I need to add comments and highlight text for revision later on. Can all this be done in native PDF and epub itself? Please let me know if this is possible. I don't know much about navigating PDFs and epub with NVDA.  Have always converted them to word. 
 It would be great if I could on the native PDF and epub itself. 
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Regards,
Sociohack
Re: NVDA focus problem.

Felix G.
 

Hi!
On the other hand, it's been out there long enough for screen reading technology to catch up, unless the new way still has inconsistencies, of course. Then it would be Microsoft's turn to fix those in an update.
It is a fact, however, that focus isn't just lost when alt+tabbing but for instance also in many cases when a new window is opened by activating a desktop icon. So alt+tab may be part of the story but it is not comprehensive. In the worst case, alt+tab may be a distraction from a much more basic problem, which just so happens to become exacerbated when alt+tabbing.
Best,
Felix

Richard Wells <richwels@...> schrieb am So., 15. Juli 2018 um 15:31 Uhr:

To a sighted person, the ALT+TAB looks completely different and has a
completely new look and feel. Sadly, it also confuses screen access
technology.


On 7/15/2018 12:51 AM, John Isige wrote:
> Cool. But what are the differences, do you know? I mean, if it weren't
> for this issue, I'd have no idea that they changed anything. It appears,
> on the surface, to work exactly as it always has.
>
>
> On 7/14/2018 21:19, Richard Wells wrote:
>> John: It returned the ALT+TAB function to the way it worked in
>> previous Windows revisions.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2018 9:06 PM, John Isige wrote:
>>> What does it do? I mean I accept that it's solved the problem for you,
>>> but why?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/2018 18:22, Richard Wells wrote:
>>>> I cured this by adding the following key and value to my registry:
>>>>
>>>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
>>>> "AltTabSettings"=dword:00000001
>>>>
>>>> If you just want a .reg file for merging this into your registry, open
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju6rmd6go0pyune/AltTabSettings.reg?dl=1 and
>>>> get it that way. Of course, you should back up your registry before
>>>> making this change, though I have modified several Windows 10
>>>> computers with this. Again, this advice is free and you get what you
>>>> pay for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/14/2018 2:42 PM, George McCoy wrote:
>>>>>    Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the same problem.  You have described it perfectly. It
>>>>> certainly is annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running windows 10 pro 64 bit on a HP Elitebook 8440W.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Isige
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 12:46 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA focus problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all. I've noticed this for a couple of versions of both NVDA and
>>>>> Windows 10. When I switch windows with alt-tab, it seems like NVDA
>>>>> doesn't get full focus. For example, suppose I'm listening to a
>>>>> track,
>>>>> so I have two windows open, a Windows Explorer window with files, and
>>>>> Foobar 2000, or Winamp, or whatever media player I'm using. I want to
>>>>> alt-tab, let's say to turn repeat on or off or to see how much time
>>>>> remains in the file.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I do that, it seems like the commands work, but NVDA doesn't
>>>>> read the
>>>>> window. For instance, right now if I play a song and alt-tab to
>>>>> Winamp's
>>>>> window, i can hit keys and they work, e.g. 'v' to stop, 'x' to
>>>>> play. But
>>>>> if I read the window title with NVDA-t, it says "explorer". The
>>>>> title is
>>>>> read correctly with alt-tab, but when I release alt-tab, I seem to be
>>>>> both in the window, and not in the window, as it were. The commands
>>>>> for
>>>>> the program work, but NVDA things, e.g. hitting ctrl-shift-r in
>>>>> Winamp
>>>>> or Foobar to get the remaining time, don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to fix this? A different screen resolution or
>>>>> something?
>>>>> In theory mine's set to 1024/768, unless Windows changed it after an
>>>>> update. BTW this gets fixed if I alt-tab back to another window,
>>>>> release
>>>>> alt-tab until that window comes up, and then alt-tab back to the
>>>>> other
>>>>> window, Foobar or whatever. When I do that it reads like it should
>>>>> and
>>>>> NVDA commands work and all. That's nothing earth-shattering of
>>>>> course,
>>>>> but it is fairly annoying, since it happens on a regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I don't know about the app, but the website is very accessable. You can either use NVDA  browse mode options or you can  use Twitter's own shortcut keys while staying in focus mode. There is a tutorial on AFB's website. Check that out.
Also follow me on twitter by searching for sociohack ac.  
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Regards,
Sociohack
Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Mohamed
 

Actually, I don't think NVDA ever had an emoji dictionary, so any pronunciation oddity is probably the fault of the synthesizer. Though there is an emoji symbols dictionary floating around the web, and that does use somewhat outdated emoji definitions. I personally use a modified version of that dictionary, adding emojis as I find them.


On 7/15/2018 7:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's not that NVDA is colorblind, but that the emoji database is ridden with anachronisms.  See:

https://emojipedia.org/heavy-black-heart/     and    https://www.emojibase.com/emoji/2764/heavyblackheart 

Which, while heavy, is absolutely not black.  It seems that NVDA is reading the terminology that was approved way back in 1993 when this emoji was officially approved, and that the naming was never changed even though the graphic that goes with it certainly has.

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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Cristóbal
 

"Doable" and "accessible"? I guess in a broad and technical sense, yes, but not in any efficient or practical sort of manner.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter on a windows 10 machine

By the way i for got to say i heard it can be done through the browser has any one done it that way? is it fully accessible and also has any one done a tutorial on using it with nvda?


Gene nz



On 7/16/2018 11:57 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a
certain period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is
this one of them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz
Re: Request for a new NVDA feature

Quentin Christensen
 

This comes up now and then.  In short, it's mostly left to the synthesizer to control the length of pauses.  It is possible to change to some degree if you open the NVDA menu, go to preferences then "punctuation / symbol pronunciation", you could choose whether to send a symbol to the synthesizer or not.  That dialog is mostly designed to change how symbols are pronounced (eg to read ! as exclaim rather than bang), and I haven't experimented with trying to use it to change pauses, but if you do, please do let us know how it goes.

I thought there had been at least one issue on this in the past, but can't find it on our GitHub issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 1:46 AM, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:
Someone on reddit told me that in Voice Dream Reader you can control the duration of the pauses after punctuation and sentence break. It would be great to have similar feature for NVDA.  SAPI 5 voices do provide intonation pauses, but they also provide pauses after command keys, which makes them slow for general navigation. Maybe, we could have a feature enabling the users to toggle between extended pauses and short pauses.  For general navigation short pauses will be great, like they are in Espeak, and for reading long documents long pauses would be very helpful, like they are in SAPI 5 voices.
Someone please introduce this feature.  --
--
Regards,
Sociohack




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Re: After a long time

Brian Vogel
 

By the way, if you have been using any mail client and have a lot of contacts that you'd like to have in the People App, then export them from your current client in CSV format and then read:

It's a heck of a lot easier and way less tedious than manually reentering them, even if you only ever log in to Outlook.com to do this import.

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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Scott VanDeWalle
 

I have used twitter for windows 10.  I don’t know of any tutorials for it though.  I still find the actual

www.twitter.com

fairly easy to use.  It has shortcut keys, and if I’m not using a 3rd party client I will use twitter.com

Saying that, I do not believe the 3rd party clients are going away.

I have heard however, just the streaming portion will be affected and also no more notifications like on mobile.

If you need more help let me know.

Hth

 

 

Scott

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 8:14:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter on a windows 10 machine
 
By the way i for got to say i heard it can be done through the browser
has any one done it that way? is it fully accessible and also has any
one done a tutorial on using it with nvda?


Gene nz



On 7/16/2018 11:57 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
> Hi guys
>
>
> Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
> or not really?
>
>
> If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
> tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
> tutorial?
>
> If they have could they send it on to me.
>
>
> I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
> period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
> them?
>
> Any help would be great.
>
>
> Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
> not gone any further.
>
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

By the way i for got to say i heard it can be done through the browser
has any one done it that way? is it fully accessible and also has any
one done a tutorial on using it with nvda?


Gene nz

On 7/16/2018 11:57 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz
Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz
Re: After a long time

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the tutorial that David Moore wrote on the windows mail program can be found at the following link at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/How%20to%20use%20the%20Mail%20app%20in%20Windows%2010%20with%20NVDA.html

it also says how to add new people or contacts to the people app and covers other mail related material.


Gene nz



On 7/16/2018 2:04 AM, Sakina wrote:

Dear Friends,

I am once again seeking help after a long time.

My computer was set up using outlook and I had office 2003 which for some reason had stopped working since Christmas of last year.

Now my son has given window mail that is now working well and I am able to send and receive email happily.

I have managed to learn the basics but I am failing to add new contact in my people app that is what it says I believe.

Friends I will greatly appreciate for someone using window mail and can help me with step by step guidance.

I am using the same desk top which was window 7 and than upgraded to window ten

Now it is also updated to 18. Something.  And also have always used NVDA

Sorry for the ignorance. I hope I have made sense and I thank you all in advance for all your kind support.

With best wishes and thank you all again

Sakina

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 
Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Brian Vogel
 

It's also worth noting that "heavy black heart" was approved when most emoji were presented in monochrome on many devices, too.

It would be interesting to see how many names assigned during the monochrome emoji period bear little resemblance to what they look like in beautiful living color today.

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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Brian Vogel
 

It's not that NVDA is colorblind, but that the emoji database is ridden with anachronisms.  See:

https://emojipedia.org/heavy-black-heart/     and    https://www.emojibase.com/emoji/2764/heavyblackheart 

Which, while heavy, is absolutely not black.  It seems that NVDA is reading the terminology that was approved way back in 1993 when this emoji was officially approved, and that the naming was never changed even though the graphic that goes with it certainly has.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 
Re: Jeff's addon repository

Josh Kennedy
 

I have a mixture on my system. I have the legal sapi5 eloquence installed. But in case I get a feature update and I lose it, I also use the illegal addon even though I legally purchased and have a legal license to use sapi5 eloquence. The only difference is: my legal sapi5 eloquence works with my favorite games and stuff. and it works with NVDA. They should change the copyright law to state that: if you legally purchased any copy of eloquence, but if another unofficial copy works better in some circumstances then, as long as you can show proof that you own a legal copy, you can also use any illegal copies ... but at your own risk. I actually purchased two legal sapi5 eloquence keys. But I only use one of them. that's what it should say... use illegal eloquence at your own risk and we do not support it so take any such discussions off list. 
Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Gene
 

The default dictionary reads items when you are reading in a way that doesn't go letter by letter.  You generally wouldn't want letter by letter reading to have the dictionary do anything, you read letter by letter to see exactly what is on the page, character by character. 
 
Also, I doubt the default dictionary sees an item in full unless it is only one character when reading by character.  If you have told the dictionary to pronounce data as datuh, with a short a, moving character by character wouldn't present the full word to the speech dictionary.  That is my assumption.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one, ❤️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 

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