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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Rob Hudson
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me. I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.

Why is that, if I may ask. I am indifferent to them but I can't see them. They just waste space to me.


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Gene
 

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer. 
 
But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards











Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Jaws says that too.
No surprise there, either.  Regardless of the circuitous route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been added that overrides it.  Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy black heart" that's what it gets announced as.

They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me.   I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.  I use the software dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from there.  I neither know, nor care what it's licencing may be.  It works which is more than can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.

Enjoy,

On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 

 

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 

 

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack






Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Ervin, Glenn
 

Jaws says that too.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one, ️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 


Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Hozefa Tambawala
 

Yes

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Amazon.com does this to my Jaws quite often.
I haven't tried it with NVDA yet.
Does NVDA automatically reload after a crash, as JFW does?
Glenn


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some websites,
the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it impossible to browse. I
have to relaunch the screenreader all over again. It happens with JAWS and
NVDA on my system. With NVDA sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down
the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on the
computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It happens on
the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is the
case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.






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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed. If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn

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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards


Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Ervin, Glenn
 

Amazon.com does this to my Jaws quite often.
I haven't tried it with NVDA yet.
Does NVDA automatically reload after a crash, as JFW does?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some websites, the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it impossible to browse. I have to relaunch the screenreader all over again. It happens with JAWS and NVDA on my system. With NVDA sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on the computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It happens on the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is the case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
From Ibrahim.


Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

Lino Morales
 

Gene. The 3rd party Twitter apps will still work, but you won’t see streaming like you do currently. The UWP Twitter app is very accessible. Its like using a HTML page.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:57:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Twitter on a windows 10 machine
 
Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a certain
period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is this one of
them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz






Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not at the moment. I see several issues on the issue tracker about it, but not seen much change recently.
I guess you would need to use any commands their office product had natively. It also still has not had say all fixed.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability


Does Libre office support browse mode with NVDA? If not, then how do we navigate heading to heading and annotation to annotation?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Ervin, Glenn
 

One thing I have found that helps a lot is using a high-quality speaker system, or good headphones.

I use a Big Jambox with my computer and the difference in intelligibility is substantial.

For me, I set the JamBox for the less loud, more base sound.

Also, try raising the speed one percent at a time, going for a day or two at one speed before changing it again.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers on/

Regards


Re: kRe: Word 2016 crashes often

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, I guess the only way to solve this would be to ask the developers of nvda and see if they have any ideas. The question being on here I would have thought by now might have spawned some other people with large files who either do or do not have the same issues as you are having. Myself I do not use such large files and only occasionally use annotation etc, so its hard for me to be any help over the issue.
I think NV Access needs a go to person for such situations as this one to see if its an issue or some other problem is causing the problem.
If Libra Office cannot access the features you need without a browse mode then I will bow to your superior knowledge, but I used word a long time before we got browse mode in it.


Brian

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] kRe: Word 2016 crashes often


But, no browse mode in Libre Office would mean loss of essential navigating features, like navigating with annotations or headings?
They are essential for my work.
I will try to save the word document as editable copy , instead of exact copy, in Abby Fine Reader. let's see if it helps.


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Ervin, Glenn
 

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 

 

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 

 

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack






Re: Twitter on a windows 10 machine

matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
 

Hi,


I am currently using tw-blue latest snapshot which works just fine for me.  NOTE, if you use the latest stable, you will not be able to authorize it as the web browser willl not come up to allow you to give it access.  This is fixed in the latest snapshot.


Matthew

On 07/15/2018 06:06 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
"Doable" and "accessible"? I guess in a broad and technical sense, yes, but not in any efficient or practical sort of manner.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Twitter on a windows 10 machine

By the way i for got to say i heard it can be done through the browser has any one done it that way? is it fully accessible and also has any one done a tutorial on using it with nvda?


Gene nz



On 7/16/2018 11:57 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi guys


Is any one on this list using the windows twitter app? is it accessible?
or not really?


If it is accessible and people are using it has any one else written a
tutorial on using it or setting up also a twitter account etc in the
tutorial?

If they have could they send it on to me.


I have heard some third party twitter apps will not work after a
certain period of time some thing to do with changes with twitter is
this one of them?

Any help would be great.


Apart from setting up a twitter account and looking at this app i have
not gone any further.



Gene nz









Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

Ervin, Glenn
 

I knew that was the problem, I had just told him to replace the M with WWW, but I wanted others to know about this.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

 

Pictures do not look so great on it. It’s optimised for mobile use, as the name implies. If you send him a link, next time just replace the “m” with “www” in the url.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: July 12, 2018 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

 

Funny though, I always use the mobile site too, and it works well, and I sent a link to my sighted brother to have him look at the picture to see if this was our cousin, and he said the link I sent him gave him a page that was messed up on his computer.  He said it was a page for a person with that name, but he could not make sense of it.

 

So maybe the mobile site is not good for people not using a screenreader.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

 

Hi guys!

The mobile site of Facebook,

m.facebook.com

works the very best in IE 11

That is the only site I use in IE LOL! I like it better than Firefox, Even.

I have tried using Chrome and Edge for using the mobile site, and it is a lot different.

It is tricky LOL!

Have a great one, guys!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Claire Potter
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chrome not that accessible in m.facebook.com

 

Hi, I know exactly what you mean, for that reason I use Firefox, it actually works. 

Warm regards, Claire Potter, Check out my brand new website: http://www.pottersplace.me.uk/

On 12/07/2018 20:23, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Hi folks

I am making my first steps with chrome.

I find that sometimes buttons and elements are not clickable in m.facebook.com and that the tab key is not always responding normally.

F.e. if you click on a friend and wants him or her to be defriended, you can’t find that item or click the friend or follow button. I have already changed some settings like adding some accessibility tools to read webpages with the arrow keys and disabled the hardware accelerators which often is advised when working with screenreaders.

Regards

Davy

 

 


Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Jonathan COHN
 

The emoji system is defined as the names our screen readers often read and then it is up to the font creators to display a symbol that represents the definition. A few years back, it became possible to add colors / tints to at least person emoji so that they would be more multi-cultural. I don't know if that is what happens with the hearts too, in that one can apply a shade to heavy black heart to change its visual meaning. Another feature that is possible with emoji is to have more than one at a specific position, and I would not be surprised if screen readers have  difficulty indicating these overloads.  What happens if you ask for the text attributes of the heart?

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

 


Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Does Libre office support browse  mode with NVDA? If not, then how do we navigate heading to heading and annotation to annotation?
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I’ve wondered this too.  Heavy Black Heart is how it is pronounced on Android phones as well.  On the iPhone though, I believe it says correctly, Red Heart.

 

So it could be a speech synth thing.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: 15 July 2018 21:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one, ️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, , as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 


Re: Using PDF and EPUB with NVDA

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Not unless the way the formatted files was made allows for it ahead of time. I think only the authors can allow such things.The whole idea, after all is the unchangability of the text in these formats.
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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] Using PDF and EPUB with NVDA


Hello guys!
I need to add comments and highlight text for revision later on. Can all this be done in native PDF and epub itself? Please let me know if this is possible. I don't know much about navigating PDFs and epub with NVDA. Have always converted them to word.
It would be great if I could on the native PDF and epub itself.
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Regards,
Sociohack


kRe: Word 2016 crashes often

Akshaya Choudhary
 

But, no browse mode in Libre Office would mean loss of essential navigating features, like navigating with annotations or headings?
They are essential for my work.
I will try to save the word document as editable copy , instead of exact copy, in Abby Fine Reader. let's see if it helps.