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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/163337/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1


Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 


Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Ervin, Glenn
 

My drivers have had a hard time trying to figure out the controls in my latest work car because of all the hieroglyphics.

Makes for an interesting if not frustrating situation.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:12 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I refer to emoticons and such labeling as hieroglyphics.

Well, there was a time when using icons/glyphs in an attempt to create a "universal language" for things like road signs was accompanied for quite a few years with a small "label" for lack of a better word beneath it in the local language saying what it meant.  The same thing was true, but to a far lesser extent, on keyboards.  Those attempts have, by and large, met with great success.

On electronic devices, however, the convention of presenting icons and text as the default has really fallen by the wayside.  The first thing I do when setting up a device for myself is to make sure that icons and text, not just icons, are presented.   No one can possibly keep in mind what all the various icons mean, particularly for functions you might touch once every 10 years, if that.
 
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Cristóbal
 

Latin alphabet is nothing more than another form of picture writing. It’s just what we know.

Image/picture writing has existed in advanced cultures in one form or another since forever. Egyptian hieroglyphics, Nahuatl picture writing and you can even consider the Chinese/Japonese form of writing to be image based.

I’m not an emoji fan, but it’s really just another example of everything old is new again.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

I feel too like emoticons are a regression of language.  It also has caused a lack of accuracy with regard to controlling devices, since manufacturers want to make all their customers happy, by attempting to not use English for labeling controls, and as a result, nobody can use the controls.

I refer to emoticons and such labeling as hieroglyphics.

And language has evolved from that time.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

There is no better way to encourage people not to learn to express themselves effectively verbally and in writing than by substituting codes and pictures for words.  The written word was one of the greatest achievements of civilization.  Now, it is being degraded and supplanted by images and representations. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Jaws says that too.

No surprise there, either.  Regardless of the circuitous route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been added that overrides it.  Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy black heart" that's what it gets announced as.

They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me.   I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can if I want to listen on my mac at 130 percent, or I used to anyway. That helped me get a lot of things done but it takes parctice. I don’t go 1 percent at a time thoughI try 5 at a time or so if I can handle it.

Take care

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer.  
 
But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers.  
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular 
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial 
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I 
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at 
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in 
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move 
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It 
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you 
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a 
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there 
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers 
on/

Regards












Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:12 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I refer to emoticons and such labeling as hieroglyphics.
Well, there was a time when using icons/glyphs in an attempt to create a "universal language" for things like road signs was accompanied for quite a few years with a small "label" for lack of a better word beneath it in the local language saying what it meant.  The same thing was true, but to a far lesser extent, on keyboards.  Those attempts have, by and large, met with great success.

On electronic devices, however, the convention of presenting icons and text as the default has really fallen by the wayside.  The first thing I do when setting up a device for myself is to make sure that icons and text, not just icons, are presented.   No one can possibly keep in mind what all the various icons mean, particularly for functions you might touch once every 10 years, if that.
 
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Re: Jeff's addon repository

Brice Mijares
 

I prefer one core voices.

On 7/16/2018 9:08 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.� I use the software dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from there.� I neither know, nor care what it's licencing may be.� It works which is more than can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.
Enjoy,
On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.� The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.� That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.� You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.� The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer. So of course you need the synthesizer.

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.� I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer.

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.� But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons. Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers.

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy� used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
�Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.� Eloquence can be purchased legally.� There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.� The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts. The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is� safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack





Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:05 PM, Gene wrote:
There is no better way to encourage people not to learn to express themselves effectively verbally and in writing than by substituting codes and pictures for words.  The written word was one of the greatest achievements of civilization.  Now, it is being degraded and supplanted by images and representations. 
Which, in essence, was what I attempted to say privately in a response to Rob Hudson and applaud you for saying here.

There are rare exceptions, irony and certain satire being among them, where one may express oneself perfectly yet the reader does not pick up on the intent.  In the vast majority of other cases, the writer should be able to express himself or herself such that the intent in the message is quite clear without the addition of little pictures or character codes to elucidate.  That many do just that, but then choose to include a stream of extraneous emoji/emoticons that adds nothing to the conversation is infuriating to me (and, yes, I am allowed to feel that way - I do keep it to myself except in metaconversations about the phenomena like this one).

What's interesting is that even emoji now have a coded language associated with them, most of which I know nothing about.  Who would have thought, though, that the eggplant emoji would become a coded reference to the male genitalia?   There are entire communication sequences that get carried out entirely in emoji for those who know and understand the emoji code.  I'm fine with that, as one should write (and, yes, it is a form of writing) for one's intended audience.

Perhaps a big part of the problem is because the writer knows neither precisely what they want to say nor to whom they're trying to say it.

 
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I feel too like emoticons are a regression of language.  It also has caused a lack of accuracy with regard to controlling devices, since manufacturers want to make all their customers happy, by attempting to not use English for labeling controls, and as a result, nobody can use the controls.

I refer to emoticons and such labeling as hieroglyphics.

And language has evolved from that time.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

There is no better way to encourage people not to learn to express themselves effectively verbally and in writing than by substituting codes and pictures for words.  The written word was one of the greatest achievements of civilization.  Now, it is being degraded and supplanted by images and representations. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Jaws says that too.

No surprise there, either.  Regardless of the circuitous route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been added that overrides it.  Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy black heart" that's what it gets announced as.

They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me.   I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.
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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Gene
 

There is no better way to encourage people not to learn to express themselves effectively verbally and in writing than by substituting codes and pictures for words.  The written word was one of the greatest achievements of civilization.  Now, it is being degraded and supplanted by images and representations. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Jaws says that too.
No surprise there, either.  Regardless of the circuitous route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been added that overrides it.  Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy black heart" that's what it gets announced as.

They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me.   I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Gene
 

I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring.  I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.
 
I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list.  This is not my policy.  It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists.  Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed. 
 
If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed.  Promoting or discussing specific programs is not. 
 
I support this list policy.  It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question.  As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy.  The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question.  It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability.  If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily.  I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message.  I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible.  But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
 
Gene, Moderator


Re: Jeff's addon repository

Gene
 

I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list.  This is not my policy.  It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists.  Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed. 
 
I support this list policy.  It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question.  As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy.  The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the question.  It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability.  If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily.  I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message.  I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible.  But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.
 
Gene, Moderator

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.  I use the software dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from there.  I neither know, nor care what it's licencing may be.  It works which is more than can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.

Enjoy,

On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 

 

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 

 

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack






Re: Jeff's addon repository

 

yes it is


On 7/16/2018 7:51 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 

 

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 

 

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

--
Regards,
Sociohack






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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Rob Hudson
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me. I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.

Why is that, if I may ask. I am indifferent to them but I can't see them. They just waste space to me.


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Gene
 

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer. 
 
But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards











Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Jaws says that too.
No surprise there, either.  Regardless of the circuitous route that's taken to get there, it appears that the default behavior is to consult the official emoji descriptions unless some exception code has been added that overrides it.  Since this thing was officially titled as "heavy black heart" that's what it gets announced as.

They actually need to update those emoji descriptions, but I'm not holding my breath on that after seeing what a great number of them are named that bears virtually no resemblance to what they look like to me.   I'm biased, though, because I really, really dislike both emoji and emoticons.
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Re: Jeff's addon repository

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I believe jeff's repository has add-ons for both.  I use the software dektalk access 32 add-on myself which I download from there.  I neither know, nor care what it's licencing may be.  It works which is more than can be said for some of the paid commercial synthesizer add-ons for NVDA.

Enjoy,

On July 16, 2018 10:53:59 AM "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I wonder if the dectalk one is the access32, a software dectalk.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

Your message may have the effect of discouraging use of add ons that are, as far as I know, legal and probably work.  The kind of notice you are discussing about requiring a synthesizer is for add ons like the Dectalk Express add on.  That add on allows the Dectalk Express to work with NVDA.  You are told in the information for that Add On that you need the Dectalk Express to use it.  The DecTalk Express is an external synthesizer.  So of course you need the synthesizer. 

 

I believe there is an add on that allows the Double Talk synthesizer to work as well.  I assume the same warning is given because that is an external synthesizer. 

 

I'm not generalizing in any way about what add ons are current and which ones may or may not work with Windows 10, for example and, of course, NVDA is going to be changing over time and many add ons on that page may not work with new versions of NVDA in the relatively near future.  But we need to be clear about synthesizer add ons.  Those that talk about needing a synthesizer are, as I recall the page, for those that work with external synthesizers. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository

 

I have not looked lately to know what this add on is, but it used to
actually say that it would only work on machines where a free to use version
of the synth was installed. This would indicate to me that its either Via
Voice or a very old copy  used with Jaws prehistoric versions!

If the add on is very old it may not even work on newer versions of nvda in
any case. I think the site does hove abandoned and older versions of all
sorts of bits and pieces and really any of them are truly at the users own
risk. we here cannot condone their use as we have no idea where a lot of
them come from.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


That isn't a legal add on.  Eloquence can be purchased legally.  There is a
SAPI5 version that can work with any program that supports SAPI5 speech and
there is a legal add on that can be purchased.  The add on, however, has
very poor speech because the Eloquence speech has a lot of artifacts.  The
SAPI 5 version doesn't have these artifacts.

There are demos of both Eloquence speech programs available so you can try
them.

But regarding your original question, the list doesn't offer support on
illegal software as a matter of list policy.

Gene
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From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jeff's addon repository


Hi!
I'm new to all this. Somebody suggested to use eloquence addon for NVDA.
It's available on this website called, Jeff's Repository. Is is  safe to
download from there?

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Regards,
Sociohack






Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

Ervin, Glenn
 

Jaws says that too.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA colourblind?

 

Hello all,

I'm curious whether NVDA is colour blind. I have noticed this with two emoticons now, both of them involving hearts.

This one, ️, is spoken as "heavy black heart" and this one, ♥, as "black heart"

Having consulted sighted friends I have now described them as red heart in my NVDA default dictionary, but is this an NVDA glitch? I initially assumed it was a Facebook glitch because it was only there where I noticed the first one, but today I am reading a poetry book with one poem that is titled I ♥ NY in both the PDF and the text file I coppied the text into.

When I move word by word or use read line or say all I hear what I have programmed into the dictionary, but if I go character by character then I hear the black heart version.

I do currently have Chris Leo's Emoticons addin enabled, but didn't when I first heard the heavy black heart emoticon. The addin has not changed anything about the description of heavy black heart and I suspect it wouldn't change anything about the black heart if I uninstalled the addin.

Most of the time I don't care enough to check with a sighted person whether the emoticon that is described does indeed resample what NVDA describes it as, but with things like a black heart, which to me implied love in a sad situation such as after a death, it can be rather unsettling to learn that the emoticon is not as described. It was exactly that situation where I discovered the incorrect description. One of my friends used waht NVDA described to me as a heavy black heart and, when I asked whether the black heart was an indication of sadness, she told me that it was in fact a red heart.

Giles
 


Re: Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Hozefa Tambawala
 

Yes

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Amazon.com does this to my Jaws quite often.
I haven't tried it with NVDA yet.
Does NVDA automatically reload after a crash, as JFW does?
Glenn


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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:00 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Wegbsites Crashing My Screenreader

Hi good people:
I'm having a very unusual problem with my PC. When I am on some websites,
the sites simply crash my screen reader, making it impossible to browse. I
have to relaunch the screenreader all over again. It happens with JAWS and
NVDA on my system. With NVDA sometimes when it happens, I have to shut down
the computer outright.
Has anyone ever experienced this problem. What might be the cause.
I don't have this problem when I am offline doing some other work on the
computer. But when I am on the internet, it is a problem. It happens on
the two browsers I use, internet explorer and firefox.
Google chrome is not working on my PC. I don't understand why this is the
case. I have installed and re-installed it several times.
Can anyone think of a cause and a possible solution.
Kind regards.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed. If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards