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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Well with the death of skype 7 on september 1 its clear ms wants us to shift.

Hopefully they listen to users about access, I don't hope much and I don't use skype enough to warrent actually trying at this point.

The only thing that stops me basically deleting and blocking all contacts is that I may want to come back.

On 7/17/2018 8:52 AM, John Isige wrote:
Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.








Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

As for win10, win10 is what it is.

I'd like nothing better than to stay with it, but I can't stay with 7 for ever.

And ms is making it harder to even stay with 7 anyway, the fact is a lot of the ms account services, music, then skype well they are gone now.

I may try to learn the accessibility in the win10 universal, then again, I am seriously on the hunt for another voip solution, maybe a client for skype web or is there something completely sepperate.

I don't need skype right now its just a real pain is all.

I would learn the new skype 8, but I may as well try to learn skype universal on win10.

On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.



Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Well skype 7 is going on september 1.

And since I don't need it, I have pulled it out of my system, backups, etc.

In addition as they come up for servicing all my systems I have on the network will have skype removed from them to.

For those wanting skype on win10 then they will use that.

For me, because of the mixed accessibility bag skype is and even though I will loose a lot of contacts, its the end of the line at least on the pc, maybe I will use skype on my ios device, maybe whats app, who knows.

I really liked skype but if its going then I will have to live without it.

I havn't needed to use it for ages now, and now, I think its time I bailed completely.

On 7/17/2018 7:59 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.
Then I will do the same with 8.
I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.
But it is what it is.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

John Isige
 

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.

On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.





Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

John Isige
 

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.


Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I use Windows 10 with both the most recent NVDA and a slightly older version of JAWS (v. 18) and for the most part I really like it. I find it quite customisable and while I had to do some tweaking, it generally behaves very nicely, except for a few unexpected updates and changes I made to the system being revoked during those updates.

 

I only used Windows 7 for a bit at my old work. I actually did make the change at home directly from Windows XP to Windows 10. It’s not really that daunting and you can use as little or as much of the OS functionality as you want. Personally I don’t bother with the so-called Universal apps. They just never seem as responsive or robust as normal desktop apps and generally they are designed with mobile users in mind, or so it seems.

 

I love the new file explorer. There’s so much you can do with it. Also, for people like me who still think the command line is the best and fastest way to get certain things done within the oS, there are a lot of neat tricks you can use. I’m not 100% sure what’s also available in Windows 7 since I did not spend a lot of time exploring 7 as, you know, I was supposed to be working, but in general I’m a lot more pleased with Windows 10 than I was with XP. It also comes with Windows PowerShell (although I think 7 does too?), which I’ve learned to use to do a few neat things, like generate lists of random files or make backups of my media from my drives.

 

It's for sure true that Windows 10 comes with a lot of “bells and whistles” which I know I will never, ever use. When I first got it I found it to be a little cluttered with nonsense. But after clearing most of that stuff away, I’m quite happy. I don’t know anyone who likes Windows 8 and the general consensus among both novice and experienced users is that it was somewhat a failure. Everyone I know stuck with Windows 7. Some migrated to Windows 10, but most chose not at all to install Windows 8. This goes for workplaces and home users. Now that Windows 10 is out and has been for quite a while, I would personally advise staying away from Windows 8, but it’s up to you. If anything though, Windows 10 brought back some of the functionality from 7 that was missing from 8, so you’ll honestly be happier just skipping it, in my opinion.

 

You’ll probably want to download and install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on for NVDA, if you make the upgrade.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: July 16, 2018 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Howdy list,

 

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.

Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes you can transfer files. It is called i think send files and media. I do’t need high quality sound to do my job. As long as I can understand my students, I’m good.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.
Glenn
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 
On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson<louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - 
 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...>wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...>wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
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Re: Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

You guys never scease on this list to amaze me! Enough said.


On 07/16/2018 02:20 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not taking a position on when and whether it is ever justifiable to use illegal software.  This is a different question than protection of the list.  Therefore, I have only addressed the question from a list standpoint and not addressed any of my personal opinions about the broader ethical question.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

Gene, ,

No I fully understand the list position. The issue is theft.

However when it comes to software, it is easy to convince one’s self that it doesn’t really hurt anyone as they will never know. Sorry if this sounds pretentious , but I have been and friends have been on the opposite side of this issue, and it can make a real difference for a developer who puts in enormous time creating software and knowing that a percent of copies are simply Pirated.

Rick

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

The question isn't whether NVDA has adequate selection of synthesizers nor whether it is free.  The question is whether the list should be exposed to legal liability by the promotion of any kind of illegal software. 

 

If someone promoted illegal software to perform OCR, the same restriction would apply or to an illegal word processing program.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: ely.r@...

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

Gene

Thanks for this post. I have been wondering over the last few days what the position of the list owner would be on supporting the illegal piracy of software. NVDA comes free to those who cannot afford the cost of a screen reader. NVDA has a more than adequate selection of synthesizers as part of its install. Our visual conditions, whatever they may be, do not include an exemption for theft.

Again thanks for your reminder,

Rick  

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Admin. Important. On promoting illegal software

 

I'm sending this as an administrative message along with sending it in the thread where this problem is currently occurring.  I have slightly expanded this message with another explanatory comment.

 

I've stated before, as much as two or three days ago, that promoting illegal software is not, I emphatically repeat not, allowed on list.  This is not my policy.  It is the policy of the list owner and it is standard policy on a lot of lists.  Gratuitously mentioning and impliedly recommending illegal software is not allowed. 

 

If someone wants to express a general opinion about when it is ethically acceptable to use illegal software, as I understand list policy, that is allowed.  Promoting or discussing specific programs is not. 

 

I support this list policy.  It doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about when and if it is justifiable to use illegal software as an ethical question.  As moderator, I am responsible for enforcing list policy.  The policy is in place not because of the views of those who run the list on the the question.  It is in place because promoting illegal software exposes the list to legal liability.  If people continue to disregard my warnings on this subject, they will be moderated temporarily.  I'm sorry to have to send this kind of stern message.  I moderate with a lite toch whenever possible.  But it's time for such discussions and implied endorsements to stop.

 

Gene, Moderator



Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Ervin, Glenn
 

Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.

Then I will do the same with 8.

I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.

But it is what it is.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Howdy list,

 

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.

Thanks for your help and your attention.


New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Rob DeZonia <robd1953@...>
 


Howdy list,
 
I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Antony Stone
 

You say that you use a hotspot with your computers sometimes, but that you
wouldn't use it for talking, because that uses a lot of data (and that is
presumably expensive).

It may be cheaper than you think. I don't know what sort of mobile tariff you
have, but a typical pay-as-you-go example in the UK is from Three, who charge
3p per minute for calls, 2p per text message, and 1p per megabyte of data.

Voice codecs used for telephony use no more than 100 kilobits per second of
data - that's about 10 kilobytes per second. So, Three's 1p per megabyte of
data will buy you 100 seconds of talk time, which works out considerably
cheaper than paying 3p per minute for a standard mobile voice call.

I suggest you look at the tariff you get from your mobile provider and work out
what a minute's work of voice-over-data would actually cost you before simply
dismissing it as being too expensive.


Antony.

On Monday 16 July 2018 at 21:42:45, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

It doesn't matter to me if something is popular, as long as it's
accessible. Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that
they would use what works for me. I'm not going to use something that
works horribly to please everyone else. I don't need stereo
recording, as long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo
cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer omnidirectional
microphones which capture everything,a and which have a good, full
sound. I'm used to everything from records to mp3s at no more than
128kbps and sometimes less, so I don't need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Teamtalk to prevent it from
being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying whatsapp, but I don't know how
well the web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy filt ransferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. This is one feature
that I wish existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it wasn't designed for
that purpose. I think Teamtalk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between TeamTalk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I wouldn't use it
for talking, as it uses a lot of data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel
on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the
transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.

On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the
devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler
Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
- Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice
communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I
have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.

On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said. The audio is crap.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
- *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah
k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am
actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
Windows 10

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-- *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov

<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni

Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.

I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even

let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I

don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if

I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface
there

either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but

at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried

it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,

as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of

unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.

*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Beginning NVDA Developer exam: a prototype version

 

Hi all,

 

A few weeks ago on a subgroup of NVDA users list, I announced the availability of an exam that tests people’s readiness to become beginning NVDA developer. A few days after that, I announced that this exam will be made available to the public, and here it is. I recommend test driving this exam (answering all questions) and let me know if you have feedback on this.

 

A prototype certification exam for beginning NVDA developer:

 

Instructions: the questions below will let you meet different facets of NVDA development (both add-ons and Core, although emphasis will be on Core for now). For those seeking to move onto NVDA development should answer ALL questions. Total points will be 100, with passing score being 70 or higher. There will be up to 10 extra credit points, and they will count when calculating scores (if you choose to do them). Answers should be submitted to me Joseph Lee (me) via email no later than July 31, 2018 at 5 PM pacific (8 PM Eastern, 00:00 UTC on August 1st). For some questions, have the NVDA source code in front of you.

 

Additionally, for questions 3 and 4, you can select one of them to be a time-limited question where you have an hour to answer it (be sure to have a stopwatch handy). The timer should begin the moment specified by the question(s). In the answer sheet (email reply), you need to provide how long it took you to answer this question, and without that, five points will be deducted from your score.

 

A special note for folks who took the NVDA Development course: you don't have to take the exam again, and you'll notice slight increase in difficulty with this version.

 

Question 1: a new user of NVDA wants to know the answer to the following questions (write your answer in complete sentences, and answer it as though you’re talking to this user, not me; points: 20, five points per question):

* How does a screen reader work?

* Can you tell me how I can move to a control that can’t be navigated with a keyboard?

* If I press NVDA+Tab, what information will I hear?

* If I found an issue with NVDA, where do I go to report them and what info should I include?

* Extra credit (five points): I want to use my favorite settings before I log onto my computer. How can I do that?

 

Question 2: pick four commands from the following list. For each command, give its command, a short description, and a trace of how the command works. Then if you want, explain in your own words how the command really works. Write it as though you’re producing a video tutorial for power users who wants to know more about how a command works (points: 20, five points per command):

* Read title

* Read focused object

* Read current navigator object

* Move to the next object

* Move to the previous object

* Move navigator object to focus

* Move system focus to the navigator object

* Read foreground window

* Developer info for the navigator object

* Move mouse to current navigator object

* Move between table cells

* Save and revert to saved configuration

* Current app module

* Navigator object location

* Opening NVDA settings panels (any panel will do)

* Review cursor (any cursor command will do)

If you choose to answer settings panel or review cursor commands, choose only one command, as they are a collection of commands. If your answer consists entirely of four commands from one or both of these, you’ll get zero points.

 

The next two questions are “time limited” questions and you need to mark one of them as such. For example, you can mark question 3 as “time limited”, which means question 4 will not be subject to time limits. Once chosen, you’ll have one hour to answer the marked question. The purpose of this exercise is to simulate time limited research (question 3) or programming lab (question 4). If you are adventurous about providing code-based solutions, choose question 4 as time limited question. If you feel writing or research is your strong point, choose question 3 as time limited question. After answering the time limited question, be sure to record how long it took you.

 

Question 3: These days, one of the biggest things software development firms (and projects) look for is ability to research things and communicate with others. To get you to experience this, choose two terms from the list below and write an “internals” (explanatory) paragraph (or two) as though you’re giving a talk at a developers’ conference. Your answer must contain definitions, explanations (in your own words), use cases, examples, and a place in NVDA where it is used. Extra points will be given for one or more of the following additions: actual NVDA code that demonstrates the concept, a reference or two outside of NVDA, and an offer of code or concept redesign to make it useful in the future, or a flaw with current implementations (overall points: 20, ten per item).

If you chose to mark this question as “time limited”, you can just write definitions, use cases, explanations, examples, and if time permits, actual NVDA code examples; no need to include references, design flaws and such, but you’re more than welcome to do so within the time limit (hence extra points). Your time begins once you choose the two items you’d like to write about.

 

* NVDA’s overall architecture

* History of NVDA development and the community

* NVDA object

* Event

* Input and output

* Object hierarchy

* Review cursor

* Object properties

* Text infos

* Browse mode internals

* One accessibility API (choose from MSAA, UIA, or Java Access Bridge)

* Overlay classes

* GUI subsystem

* User configuration

* Add-ons

* NVDA release process

 

Scoring for each term:

* Three points: gave definitions.

* Five points: definitions and explanation in your own words.

* Seven points: definition, explanation, use cases and examples.

* Ten points: definitions, your explanation, use cases, examples, NVDA code example or two.

 

Question 4: when it comes to screen reader development, theory isn’t enough; now it is time to showcase your programming skills, and to do that, choose an NVDA issue on GitHub that you think you can program a solution (quickly if you mark this as “time limited”). Be sure to provide a link to the issue, your rationale for choosing it, a short description, and a basic solution design and code. Extra points if you can demonstrate that your code actually achieves something, complete with tests (points: 25).

If you mark this question as “time limited”, then you DO NEED to have at least a basic solution design and code ready within the time limit. If you chose question 3 as “time limited”, then a solution design will be acceptable; time begins the moment you choose an issue, SO CHOOSE IT WISELY!

 

Scoring:

* Five points: identified an issue you wish to work on, complete with links.

* Ten points: identified and described the issue in your own words.

* Fifteen points: identified, described, and wrote a solution design in your own words.

* Twenty points: identified, described, designed, and programmed a solution in your own words (and your own code).

* Twenty-five points: identified, described, designed, programmed, and tested your solution.

 

Extra credit (eligible if you did ALL of the parts above, including coding and testing):

* Three points: your solution was posted as a pull request.

* Five points: your pull request was reviewed by at least one reviewer, including NV Access people and noted third-party contributors (including I).

 

Question 5: being a developer means more than programming a solution. Users matter, and you need to always remember that you are users also. To help you understand this, I’d like to ask you to serve as a resident tech support engineers for users for the next few days: subscribe to the NVDA users list and answer questions on at least three topics until the end of the exam period. Be sure to provide helpful answers when asked, and show respect to users (points: 15, five per topic).

 

Scoring:

* Zero points: disrespectful answers, or answers that showed no effort from your part to understand users.

* Two points: beginning steps, such as phrasing issues in your own words.

* Three points: showing efforts at trying to reproduce the issue, or if not reproducible, telling users (with respect) that it cannot be done.

* Five points: professional answers regardless of if the solution was found.

 

The following questions are all extra credit and won’t count toward your final score. As they are community activities, your participation is highly encouraged.

 

Question 6 (extra credit, five points): review at least one NVDA add-on marked for review (for details, see NVDA Add-ons mailing list archive).

 

Question 7 (extra credit, five points): test-drive NVDA alpha or beta snapshots throughout the exam period and report bugs if any. Extra points if you can offer solutions.

 

Question 8 (extra credit, five points): find a developer outside of NVDA community that you think can contribute to NVDA in the long run.

 

Question 9 (extra credit, ten points): offer constructive comments on at least two GitHub issues. An extra five points for reviewing a pull request.

 

As noted above, anyone who gets a 70 or higher will be recognized as beginning NVDA developer.

 

P.S. You may have noticed that programming didn’t take the center stage at this exam. The reason: coding alone won’t define you and your talent as a developer. Through this exam I want you all to experience what it is like to be an actual screen reader developer: introducing new users to NVDA, coming up with helpful overviews and tutorials, networking with others and showcasing the project, proposing and programming needed solutions under possible constraints, and providing ongoing technical support for a product.

 

Good luck with the exam.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

It doesn't matter to me if something is popular, as long as it's
accessible. Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that
they would use what works for me. I'm not going to use something that
works horribly to please everyone else. I don't need stereo
recording, as long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo
cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer omnidirectional
microphones which capture everything,a and which have a good, full
sound. I'm used to everything from records to mp3s at no more than
128kbps and sometimes less, so I don't need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Teamtalk to prevent it from
being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying whatsapp, but I don't know how
well the web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy filt ransferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. This is one feature
that I wish existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it wasn't designed for
that purpose. I think Teamtalk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between TeamTalk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I wouldn't use it
for talking, as it uses a lot of data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel
on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the
transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the
devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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Windows 10

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler
Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice
communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I
have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said. The audio is crap.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah
k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am
actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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Windows 10

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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Cristóbal
 

The beefs I have have to do with telephonic functionality. Been stuck on V 7/4 desktop since forever since using all facets of this feature still haven’t been fixed/addressed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


-- 
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Joshua Hendrickson






Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Very valid point.

I think all of them support it apart from team speak. Though now that I think about it it might support it as well.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


 



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson