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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Ervin, Glenn
 

Personally, I am still using 7, and soon I will purchase a Windows 8 upgrade, and I will wait until the end of Windows 7’s life cycle.

Then I will do the same with 8.

I have tried 10, and don’t much like it.

But it is what it is.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Howdy list,

 

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.

Thanks for your help and your attention.


New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Rob DeZonia <robd1953@...>
 


Howdy list,
 
I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Antony Stone
 

You say that you use a hotspot with your computers sometimes, but that you
wouldn't use it for talking, because that uses a lot of data (and that is
presumably expensive).

It may be cheaper than you think. I don't know what sort of mobile tariff you
have, but a typical pay-as-you-go example in the UK is from Three, who charge
3p per minute for calls, 2p per text message, and 1p per megabyte of data.

Voice codecs used for telephony use no more than 100 kilobits per second of
data - that's about 10 kilobytes per second. So, Three's 1p per megabyte of
data will buy you 100 seconds of talk time, which works out considerably
cheaper than paying 3p per minute for a standard mobile voice call.

I suggest you look at the tariff you get from your mobile provider and work out
what a minute's work of voice-over-data would actually cost you before simply
dismissing it as being too expensive.


Antony.

On Monday 16 July 2018 at 21:42:45, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

It doesn't matter to me if something is popular, as long as it's
accessible. Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that
they would use what works for me. I'm not going to use something that
works horribly to please everyone else. I don't need stereo
recording, as long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo
cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer omnidirectional
microphones which capture everything,a and which have a good, full
sound. I'm used to everything from records to mp3s at no more than
128kbps and sometimes less, so I don't need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Teamtalk to prevent it from
being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying whatsapp, but I don't know how
well the web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy filt ransferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. This is one feature
that I wish existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it wasn't designed for
that purpose. I think Teamtalk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between TeamTalk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I wouldn't use it
for talking, as it uses a lot of data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel
on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the
transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.

On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the
devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
- Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice
communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I
have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.

On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said. The audio is crap.

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*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am
actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov

<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni

Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.

I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even

let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I

don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if

I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface
there

either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but

at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried

it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,

as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of

unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.

*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

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Beginning NVDA Developer exam: a prototype version

 

Hi all,

 

A few weeks ago on a subgroup of NVDA users list, I announced the availability of an exam that tests people’s readiness to become beginning NVDA developer. A few days after that, I announced that this exam will be made available to the public, and here it is. I recommend test driving this exam (answering all questions) and let me know if you have feedback on this.

 

A prototype certification exam for beginning NVDA developer:

 

Instructions: the questions below will let you meet different facets of NVDA development (both add-ons and Core, although emphasis will be on Core for now). For those seeking to move onto NVDA development should answer ALL questions. Total points will be 100, with passing score being 70 or higher. There will be up to 10 extra credit points, and they will count when calculating scores (if you choose to do them). Answers should be submitted to me Joseph Lee (me) via email no later than July 31, 2018 at 5 PM pacific (8 PM Eastern, 00:00 UTC on August 1st). For some questions, have the NVDA source code in front of you.

 

Additionally, for questions 3 and 4, you can select one of them to be a time-limited question where you have an hour to answer it (be sure to have a stopwatch handy). The timer should begin the moment specified by the question(s). In the answer sheet (email reply), you need to provide how long it took you to answer this question, and without that, five points will be deducted from your score.

 

A special note for folks who took the NVDA Development course: you don't have to take the exam again, and you'll notice slight increase in difficulty with this version.

 

Question 1: a new user of NVDA wants to know the answer to the following questions (write your answer in complete sentences, and answer it as though you’re talking to this user, not me; points: 20, five points per question):

* How does a screen reader work?

* Can you tell me how I can move to a control that can’t be navigated with a keyboard?

* If I press NVDA+Tab, what information will I hear?

* If I found an issue with NVDA, where do I go to report them and what info should I include?

* Extra credit (five points): I want to use my favorite settings before I log onto my computer. How can I do that?

 

Question 2: pick four commands from the following list. For each command, give its command, a short description, and a trace of how the command works. Then if you want, explain in your own words how the command really works. Write it as though you’re producing a video tutorial for power users who wants to know more about how a command works (points: 20, five points per command):

* Read title

* Read focused object

* Read current navigator object

* Move to the next object

* Move to the previous object

* Move navigator object to focus

* Move system focus to the navigator object

* Read foreground window

* Developer info for the navigator object

* Move mouse to current navigator object

* Move between table cells

* Save and revert to saved configuration

* Current app module

* Navigator object location

* Opening NVDA settings panels (any panel will do)

* Review cursor (any cursor command will do)

If you choose to answer settings panel or review cursor commands, choose only one command, as they are a collection of commands. If your answer consists entirely of four commands from one or both of these, you’ll get zero points.

 

The next two questions are “time limited” questions and you need to mark one of them as such. For example, you can mark question 3 as “time limited”, which means question 4 will not be subject to time limits. Once chosen, you’ll have one hour to answer the marked question. The purpose of this exercise is to simulate time limited research (question 3) or programming lab (question 4). If you are adventurous about providing code-based solutions, choose question 4 as time limited question. If you feel writing or research is your strong point, choose question 3 as time limited question. After answering the time limited question, be sure to record how long it took you.

 

Question 3: These days, one of the biggest things software development firms (and projects) look for is ability to research things and communicate with others. To get you to experience this, choose two terms from the list below and write an “internals” (explanatory) paragraph (or two) as though you’re giving a talk at a developers’ conference. Your answer must contain definitions, explanations (in your own words), use cases, examples, and a place in NVDA where it is used. Extra points will be given for one or more of the following additions: actual NVDA code that demonstrates the concept, a reference or two outside of NVDA, and an offer of code or concept redesign to make it useful in the future, or a flaw with current implementations (overall points: 20, ten per item).

If you chose to mark this question as “time limited”, you can just write definitions, use cases, explanations, examples, and if time permits, actual NVDA code examples; no need to include references, design flaws and such, but you’re more than welcome to do so within the time limit (hence extra points). Your time begins once you choose the two items you’d like to write about.

 

* NVDA’s overall architecture

* History of NVDA development and the community

* NVDA object

* Event

* Input and output

* Object hierarchy

* Review cursor

* Object properties

* Text infos

* Browse mode internals

* One accessibility API (choose from MSAA, UIA, or Java Access Bridge)

* Overlay classes

* GUI subsystem

* User configuration

* Add-ons

* NVDA release process

 

Scoring for each term:

* Three points: gave definitions.

* Five points: definitions and explanation in your own words.

* Seven points: definition, explanation, use cases and examples.

* Ten points: definitions, your explanation, use cases, examples, NVDA code example or two.

 

Question 4: when it comes to screen reader development, theory isn’t enough; now it is time to showcase your programming skills, and to do that, choose an NVDA issue on GitHub that you think you can program a solution (quickly if you mark this as “time limited”). Be sure to provide a link to the issue, your rationale for choosing it, a short description, and a basic solution design and code. Extra points if you can demonstrate that your code actually achieves something, complete with tests (points: 25).

If you mark this question as “time limited”, then you DO NEED to have at least a basic solution design and code ready within the time limit. If you chose question 3 as “time limited”, then a solution design will be acceptable; time begins the moment you choose an issue, SO CHOOSE IT WISELY!

 

Scoring:

* Five points: identified an issue you wish to work on, complete with links.

* Ten points: identified and described the issue in your own words.

* Fifteen points: identified, described, and wrote a solution design in your own words.

* Twenty points: identified, described, designed, and programmed a solution in your own words (and your own code).

* Twenty-five points: identified, described, designed, programmed, and tested your solution.

 

Extra credit (eligible if you did ALL of the parts above, including coding and testing):

* Three points: your solution was posted as a pull request.

* Five points: your pull request was reviewed by at least one reviewer, including NV Access people and noted third-party contributors (including I).

 

Question 5: being a developer means more than programming a solution. Users matter, and you need to always remember that you are users also. To help you understand this, I’d like to ask you to serve as a resident tech support engineers for users for the next few days: subscribe to the NVDA users list and answer questions on at least three topics until the end of the exam period. Be sure to provide helpful answers when asked, and show respect to users (points: 15, five per topic).

 

Scoring:

* Zero points: disrespectful answers, or answers that showed no effort from your part to understand users.

* Two points: beginning steps, such as phrasing issues in your own words.

* Three points: showing efforts at trying to reproduce the issue, or if not reproducible, telling users (with respect) that it cannot be done.

* Five points: professional answers regardless of if the solution was found.

 

The following questions are all extra credit and won’t count toward your final score. As they are community activities, your participation is highly encouraged.

 

Question 6 (extra credit, five points): review at least one NVDA add-on marked for review (for details, see NVDA Add-ons mailing list archive).

 

Question 7 (extra credit, five points): test-drive NVDA alpha or beta snapshots throughout the exam period and report bugs if any. Extra points if you can offer solutions.

 

Question 8 (extra credit, five points): find a developer outside of NVDA community that you think can contribute to NVDA in the long run.

 

Question 9 (extra credit, ten points): offer constructive comments on at least two GitHub issues. An extra five points for reviewing a pull request.

 

As noted above, anyone who gets a 70 or higher will be recognized as beginning NVDA developer.

 

P.S. You may have noticed that programming didn’t take the center stage at this exam. The reason: coding alone won’t define you and your talent as a developer. Through this exam I want you all to experience what it is like to be an actual screen reader developer: introducing new users to NVDA, coming up with helpful overviews and tutorials, networking with others and showcasing the project, proposing and programming needed solutions under possible constraints, and providing ongoing technical support for a product.

 

Good luck with the exam.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

It doesn't matter to me if something is popular, as long as it's
accessible. Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that
they would use what works for me. I'm not going to use something that
works horribly to please everyone else. I don't need stereo
recording, as long as the sound is clear. I usually avoid echo
cancellation and noise suppression, as I prefer omnidirectional
microphones which capture everything,a and which have a good, full
sound. I'm used to everything from records to mp3s at no more than
128kbps and sometimes less, so I don't need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Teamtalk to prevent it from
being extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying whatsapp, but I don't know how
well the web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy filt ransferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. This is one feature
that I wish existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it wasn't designed for
that purpose. I think Teamtalk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between TeamTalk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I wouldn't use it
for talking, as it uses a lot of data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad
you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team
speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel
on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the
transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a
Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff
on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the
devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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Windows 10

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler
Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice
communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I
have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said. The audio is crap.

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k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am
actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great
software.  I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop!  I tried
it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

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From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson







Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Cristóbal
 

The beefs I have have to do with telephonic functionality. Been stuck on V 7/4 desktop since forever since using all facets of this feature still haven’t been fixed/addressed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>


-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson






Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Very valid point.

I think all of them support it apart from team speak. Though now that I think about it it might support it as well.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:14 PM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


 



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Ervin, Glenn
 

I think that one important feature is to have file transferring available.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.

 

Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.

 

Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.

 

It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.

 

Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.

 

 

On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Facebook: elvam2167@...
>
> anyaudio.net: elvam2167
>
> Skype: elvam2167
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Tyler Wood
 

I'm really not sure why everyone is hating on skype. Stereo audio is great and all in recordings. When talking, it's just a frustrating distraction. I just want to talk.


Team talk is nice, but who in the sighted world uses it? Nobody that I know of, so that's a serious limitation for me.


Think skype is bad for screen readers? Try out discord. Tons of unlabeled buttons.

Speaking of audio issues. Team talk has horrific issues if one is using speakers and soundcard does not support echo cancelation or noise suppression, both of which make the audio quality deteriorate so bad you might as well use another service and save your bandwidth, too. For talking, skype handles it wonderfully in comparison and also does a ton better if your internet isn't the greatest.


It is still the king of multi platform, mainstream, and screen reader accessible voice communication. Google is kind of there but I know very few who use it. Team speak is really nice too, supports stereo audio and blows the doors off team talk every which way. I know a few people who use it, but not many. I think whatsapp also supports voice calling. I have never tried it before but would be curious if you could be in calls on the web.


Just my thoughts, for what it's worth.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:38 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

Is it free? How accessible is it with NVDA and Windows XP or 7? Is
it web-based or does it use a client?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
Learn all about it at:

www.zoom.us



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Eleni Vamvakari
<elvam2167@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:48:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad. What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I
said.
The audio is crap.

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Windows
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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k
Alawami
<marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand
what’s
beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually
loving
skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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________________________________
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com<mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype
7
if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all
sorts
of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From:
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On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

Learn all about it at:

www.zoom.us

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Eleni Vamvakari <elvam2167@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:48:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad.  What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:
> If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said.
> The audio is crap.
>
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> 10
>
> ________________________________
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
> <marrie12@...>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
> To: Nvda List
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s
> beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving
> skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.
>
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
> <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:
>
> The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.
>
>
>
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> 10
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> ________________________________
> From:
> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
> <louvins@...<mailto:louvins@...>>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
> out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
> great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
> don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.
>
> On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
> <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
>> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>> On Behalf Of Eleni
>> Vamvakari
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
>> work.
>>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
>> even
>> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
>> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
>> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
>> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7
>> if
>> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
>> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
>> but
>> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I
>> tried
>> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>>
>> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>>
>> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
>> above,
>> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts
>> of
>> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
>> Skype.
>> *sigh*
>>
>> All the best,
>> Eleni
>>
>> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
>> <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>>> Alawami
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>>
>>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I have never had an issue with the audio on Skype, except when it was
incredibly new, or when the connection itself is bad. What is Zoom?

On 16/07/2018, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:
If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said.
The audio is crap.

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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami
<marrie12@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s
beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving
skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.



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________________________________
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com<mailto:louvins@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't
even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7
if
I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the interface there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program,
but
at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop! I
tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts
of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible alternative to
Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 

The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Is NVDA colourblind?

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 01:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Pictures representing ideas or objects is not at all the same as symbols representing sounds that are combined to form words.  A picture of a fish representing the ocean is completely different than a symbolic method of writing the sounds in a language that make up the word "ocean."
Only if you're worried about the method, not the concept that is communicated itself.

There are many written (as in with letters) forms of the word, "ocean," but it is not the arbitrary representation of the concept that is the important part.  Even pictographic languages such as hieroglyphics had exact spoken equivalents for the glyphs.

Language is a symbol system to carry human communicative content.   Sign language is every bit as much a language as any other yet has no written component (and, believe me, many have tried to think of one that would work).
 
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

What about a Sip client and a free number from a place like
Callcentric? I usually prefer portable software but I am willing to
try a regular installer if something is truly accessible. I think I
found such a program once, but I don't remember its name. It wasn't
designed specifically for the blind, but it worked well with NVDA.

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Ha Ha,
I was just referencing that same Wikipedia page after I sent my last
message.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Apparently, it has been discontinued. But it works with XP, so I will have
to investigate it! Some other software was also mentioned here, including
Meeting Space, Remote Desktop, Remote Assistance, Microsoft Office Live
Meeting, and SharedView. I don't have Office, but I can still research the
others. Thank you so much for mentioning this! If nothing else, NetMeeting
will be accessible!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_NetMeeting

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to
work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was
great software. I don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use
their software, especially when it's not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular
Skype 7 if I remember correctly. Granted, I don't really like the
interface there either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to
close the program, but at least it's better than the one that my
friend has on his laptop! I tried it and got a headache! Here is the
link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the
above, as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/1633
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7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1






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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Lino Morales
 

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
 
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok.  Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
> https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>> https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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