Date   

Re: Skype and messages or events.

John Isige
 

Oh cool! Thanks Joseph. I'll still have to run skype to check periodically, but at least it's fairly easy once it's open.

On 7/16/2018 19:48, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
For the UWP version, pressing Alt+1 to move to conversations will present missed calls and messages in reverse chronological order.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Skype and messages or events.

So question about the new Skype, and I think this should apply for 8 or the version in Windows 10. One of the things I really like about Skype classic is having conversations in separate windows. This isn't so much because it's easier to switch conversations, though it is, but rather because of something like this.


Suppose I'm at my machine, and then I say "hey self, I know what we're gonna do, we're gonna go practice mandolin for an hour and clarinet for another hour. Then we'll get lunch"! So I do that, and come back to my machine two and a half hours later. How in the world do I know if somebody tried to call me, or if I got a new chat message? With Skype classic, no problem, I alt-tab through windows and see "oh hey, there's a Skype window open". I'm pretty sure the longest I can tell notifications to stay open is five minutes, and even then, I can't always alt-tab to them, even if they're open. I also don't think they hang around in the action center for that long, do they?


There's probably an easy way to handle this and I just don't know it yet, because I have Skype for 10 on the laptop and I don't do much with Skype there, honestly I haven't done tons with Skype lately for some reason. But I'm sure that will change. Is there a fairly easy to find out if and when new things have happened?






Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

mikolaj holysz <miki123211@...>
 

Skype 8's already out, it's much less accessible and much harder to use. It's an issue for those who need to use skype because the people they want to contact use skype and it's hard to convince them to do otherwise. That might be because of business rules mandating it's use for internal calls or skype subscriptions the business has. It might also be an issue for those for whom using Skype is much cheaper than using anything else, perhaps because they already have a long subscription for calling phones via Skype, a way to cheaply get gift codes for such subscription (perhaps from a loyalty programs) or some exemption in their carrier's data plans for using Skype that doesn't exist for other, competing services.



W dniu 2018-07-16 o 23:25, Brian Vogel pisze:

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an issue?
It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible.  It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
/A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind./
           ~ Richard Dehmel


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Gene
 

At times, when I am discussing what someone should do and the person is afraid to try a new version of something, I tell them that it's better to learn a new thing when they are not under pressure to do so.  If they wait until what they are currently using no longer can be used, they will have to learn the new thing under pressure because they can't use the old thing while they learn.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 06:41 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will still work I don't know.
The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog article, Upgrade to the latest version of Skype for desktop, dated today (7/16/2018), that serves as the source material.  He quotes the following from it, "There comes a time when we must shut down older services and application versions."

The phrase "shutting down" is completely unambiguous in the tech world:  older versions will not work, and typically by intention.

I don't care whether your blind, or sighted, or whatever:  Nothing is so constant as change (and nowhere is it more constant than the world of computing).  When software vendors are telling you that the time has come to upgrade that should make you rush out and upgrade while you can have overlap between the old and new.  Once that shutdown occurs you will be tossed into the deep end.

Software and hardware both have service lives.  It does no good to cling to the dying or dead.  And, in the event the "latest  and greatest" isn't for you, for any you, your energy is far better spent finding a replacement.  This is another reason why early upgrading makes sense, as you can more accurately determine whether it's time to find a replacement if you simply cannot work with the latest and greatest.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Skype and messages or events.

 

Hi,
For the UWP version, pressing Alt+1 to move to conversations will present missed calls and messages in reverse chronological order.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 5:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Skype and messages or events.

So question about the new Skype, and I think this should apply for 8 or the version in Windows 10. One of the things I really like about Skype classic is having conversations in separate windows. This isn't so much because it's easier to switch conversations, though it is, but rather because of something like this.


Suppose I'm at my machine, and then I say "hey self, I know what we're gonna do, we're gonna go practice mandolin for an hour and clarinet for another hour. Then we'll get lunch"! So I do that, and come back to my machine two and a half hours later. How in the world do I know if somebody tried to call me, or if I got a new chat message? With Skype classic, no problem, I alt-tab through windows and see "oh hey, there's a Skype window open". I'm pretty sure the longest I can tell notifications to stay open is five minutes, and even then, I can't always alt-tab to them, even if they're open. I also don't think they hang around in the action center for that long, do they?


There's probably an easy way to handle this and I just don't know it yet, because I have Skype for 10 on the laptop and I don't do much with Skype there, honestly I haven't done tons with Skype lately for some reason. But I'm sure that will change. Is there a fairly easy to find out if and when new things have happened?


Skype and messages or events.

John Isige
 

So question about the new Skype, and I think this should apply for 8 or the version in Windows 10. One of the things I really like about Skype classic is having conversations in separate windows. This isn't so much because it's easier to switch conversations, though it is, but rather because of something like this.


Suppose I'm at my machine, and then I say "hey self, I know what we're gonna do, we're gonna go practice mandolin for an hour and clarinet for another hour. Then we'll get lunch"! So I do that, and come back to my machine two and a half hours later. How in the world do I know if somebody tried to call me, or if I got a new chat message? With Skype classic, no problem, I alt-tab through windows and see "oh hey, there's a Skype window open". I'm pretty sure the longest I can tell notifications to stay open is five minutes, and even then, I can't always alt-tab to them, even if they're open. I also don't think they hang around in the action center for that long, do they?


There's probably an easy way to handle this and I just don't know it yet, because I have Skype for 10 on the laptop and I don't do much with Skype there, honestly I haven't done tons with Skype lately for some reason. But I'm sure that will change. Is there a fairly easy to find out if and when new things have happened?


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

No its not updates from the article, they are killing the minimal version on the server, ie if you have not got 8 on september 1 onward you won't be able to even login.

On 7/17/2018 10:41 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
The article in question provided many details. Windows 10 was not
mentioned exclusively either. They are no longer supporting Skype 7,
what they call Classic Skype and will be forcing people to upgrade to
the modern version. Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and
whether Classic will still work I don't know. S Portable may be an
option, but even then, I usually have to tell it not to update.

On 16/07/2018, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the
welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype
for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going
to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of
this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses
Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide
link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the
Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges. But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower. I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips. Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue. I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it. Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome
than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something
I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that
I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened
that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I
could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot
of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype
and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and
dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there
are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also
be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love
for
all humankind.

~ Richard Dehmel












Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Every platform, however to be honest you will have to learn the new skype if you need it I for myself don't but if you do you will have to use the new one as best as you can.

On 7/17/2018 10:35 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I'm on a family plan with TMobile.  It's unlimited, with no overage
charges.  But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower.  I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips.  Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue.  I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it.  Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts.  I'd rather have Chrome than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible.  It will also be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.

             ~ Richard Dehmel












.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I like waterfox, chrome is fine I guess, but who knows.

On 7/17/2018 9:42 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome than Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

~ Richard Dehmel









.


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Well I am not in the us sadly.

I will look at it but to be honest if I start looking at hangouts web then I may as well use skype web.

On 7/17/2018 9:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,

           Have you tried hangouts.google.com in the web browser of your choice?  Some seem to "play better" with the Hangouts webpage than others do.

           I most commonly use the Chrome App, but I have used the Hangouts webpage, too.  Of course, you do have to acquire a Google Voice number (which is available at no cost only in the USA and Canada) in order for Hangouts to act like a typical phone line does.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

   A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel



Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

To be honest though that would count for me for every upgrade.

I updated from dos to windows because of hardware and the fact I wanted more than 1 task.

I updated from win95 to win 98 because I could.

I updated from 98 to xp because of better drivers support etc.

I updated from xp to 7 because of security reasons and my computer died.

But I could have continued on xp for ever more.

I will update to 10 because of firstly security and secondly, I can't use anything over 6th generation pluss win7 is about dead anyway.

But if I had the choice I'd still be on stable xp.

On 7/17/2018 9:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Are there features you want or apps you want to run that you can't run now? If you have a reason to upgrade such as that, you may want to. If you are more curious and have no strong reason to do so, I have real reservations about whether its worth upgrading a computer you are satisfied with.

You may find some problem or annoyance you really don't want to deal with and you may not be happy if you upgrade just to upgrade and have one or more annoying problems, even if you solve them. And Windows 10 comes out with a major upgrade every six months, which you must accept. Some people have problems after an upgrade.

You might want to consider getting a tablet to play with Windows 10 if you are just getting it out of curiosity and not because of features or apps you consider important.

Gene


From: Rob DeZonia
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess


Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:39 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
If they're shutting it down, these versions will no longer work.
And that's the central point I was trying to make.  Those of us who have spent decades in information technology know that "shutting down" is not code for something, but is a direct statement of intent (and, of course, result).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

There are also instances in which using an older version remains
possible, though it is no longer updated. However, you're right. If
they're shutting it down, these versions will no longer work.

On 16/07/2018, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 06:41 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:


Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will
still
work I don't know.
The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog
article, Upgrade to the latest version of Skype for desktop (
https://blogs.skype.com/news/2018/07/16/upgrade-to-the-latest-version-of-skype-for-desktop/
) , dated today (7/16/2018), that serves as the source material.  He quotes
the following from it, " There comes a time when we must shut down older
services and application versions. "

The phrase "shutting down" is completely unambiguous in the tech world:
older versions will not work, and typically by intention.

I don't care whether your blind, or sighted, or whatever:  Nothing is so
constant as change (and nowhere is it more constant than the world of
computing).  When software vendors are telling you that the time has come to
upgrade that should make you rush out and upgrade while you can have overlap
between the old and new.  Once that shutdown occurs you will be tossed into
the deep end.

Software and hardware both have service lives.  It does no good to cling to
the dying or dead.  And, in the event the "latest  and greatest" isn't for
you, for any you, your energy is far better spent finding a replacement.
This is another reason why early upgrading makes sense, as you can more
accurately determine whether it's time to find a replacement if you simply
cannot work with the latest and greatest.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

   A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel



--
Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com

anyaudio.net: elvam2167

Skype: elvam2167


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 06:41 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will still work I don't know.
The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog article, Upgrade to the latest version of Skype for desktop, dated today (7/16/2018), that serves as the source material.  He quotes the following from it, "There comes a time when we must shut down older services and application versions."

The phrase "shutting down" is completely unambiguous in the tech world:  older versions will not work, and typically by intention.

I don't care whether your blind, or sighted, or whatever:  Nothing is so constant as change (and nowhere is it more constant than the world of computing).  When software vendors are telling you that the time has come to upgrade that should make you rush out and upgrade while you can have overlap between the old and new.  Once that shutdown occurs you will be tossed into the deep end.

Software and hardware both have service lives.  It does no good to cling to the dying or dead.  And, in the event the "latest  and greatest" isn't for you, for any you, your energy is far better spent finding a replacement.  This is another reason why early upgrading makes sense, as you can more accurately determine whether it's time to find a replacement if you simply cannot work with the latest and greatest.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

The article in question provided many details. Windows 10 was not
mentioned exclusively either. They are no longer supporting Skype 7,
what they call Classic Skype and will be forcing people to upgrade to
the modern version. Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and
whether Classic will still work I don't know. S Portable may be an
option, but even then, I usually have to tell it not to update.

On 16/07/2018, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the
welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype
for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going
to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of
this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses
Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide
link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the
Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges. But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower. I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips. Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue. I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it. Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome
than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something
I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that
I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened
that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I
could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot
of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype
and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and
dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there
are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also
be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love
for
all humankind.

~ Richard Dehmel













--
Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com

anyaudio.net: elvam2167

Skype: elvam2167


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza

On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges. But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower. I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips. Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue. I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it. Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Gene
 

That's not surprising.  I just looked it up and it is a cloud-based system.  It's interesting and I'm going to play with the demo.  But in fairness to Eloquence, it's like comparing a calculator to a supercomputer.  Eloquence is remarkably good for its class.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Actually, Eloquence is beaten now for best pronunciation, by a synth that is not on Windows.  Google TTS beats Eloquence hands down for pronunciation.  I can’t find anything in the dictionary that it pronounces wrong, but I can with Eloquence.  For example, Samhain, a Pagan festival is pronounced Sowan with a hard OW as in Cow, Eloquence completely mangles that and pronounces it Samhain as spelled.

 

Google One, Eloquence definitely Nil.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 July 2018 17:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed.  But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use.  I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence.  In general, they aren't.  Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute.  It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary.  The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate.  It sounds raspy.  This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome.  Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so.  But I quickly got used to it.  At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer. 

 

But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension.  They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out.  these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words.  Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech.  They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order.  Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words.  Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:23 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards










Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges. But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower. I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips. Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue. I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it. Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
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all humankind.

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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 

You cannot tie any account to it. It is like cysco or what ever conferencing services use, except there is a mac and windows and mobile client and the sound is good. The person can call in by phone if they need to as well. I even mute  people upoin joining the meeting to prevent distractions.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

What is zoom like for home use, is it windows mobile and other things.

Could I use it well enough in a client?

Does it have a pro package with credits like skype, could I tie a skype account to it?

I am now interested in another non microsoft pc solution which is not skype, if it can use skype accounts fine, google to, but with ms anouncement today from thurrot I can't exactly see me using their software any more.




On 7/17/2018 7:23 AM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so bad you can't use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have yet to be mobile with it so am curious on how it will handle that. I have a lot of rural areas that get excellent HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum connection. Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to the devil AKA MS. V 4.X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Tyler Wood <tcwood12@...>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't have. I have used zoom, and I see absolutely 0 difference in audio quality. Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster I’d use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* Nvda List
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
The audio quality is fine. It’s not zoom quality but I can understand what’s beeing said, and if I can do my job still Ill take it. I am actually loving skype and I do use it on my vodcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@...<mailto:linomorales001@...>> wrote:

The audio quality is crap. TeamTalk is better for what you want to do.

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*Sent:*Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36:56 PM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
I'm not exactly a fan of the new version of skype.  If I can figure
out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that would be
great.  However, I can use this new version of skype ok. Granted, I
don't like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
> What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
> I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
> Vamvakari
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM
> To:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>
> I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't seem to work.
>  I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it wouldn't even
> let me see my contacts.  This is truly sad, as it was great software.  I
> don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their software,
> especially when it's not even fully accessible!
> Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of regular Skype 7 if
> I remember correctly.  Granted, I don't really like the interface there
> either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the program, but
> at least it's better than the one that my friend has on his laptop!  I tried
> it and got a headache!  Here is the link to S Portable.
>
>https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable
>
> Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than all of the above,
> as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include all sorts of
> unnecessary features!  Now, I must find an accessible alternative to Skype.
> *sigh*
>
> All the best,
> Eleni
>
> On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...<mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>> Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
>> Glenn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
>> To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>> Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
>>
>>https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/16333 
>> 7/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don’t use the key strokes. I lost the guide someone kindly sent. I just tab to the wend media and files button same as on the mac and whack it.

Take care

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:47 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome than Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

~ Richard Dehmel