Re: Skype and messages or events.
John Isige
Oh cool! Thanks Joseph. I'll still have to run skype to check periodically, but at least it's fairly easy once it's open.
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On 7/16/2018 19:48, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
mikolaj holysz <miki123211@...>
Skype 8's already out, it's much less accessible and much harder to use. It's an issue for those who need to use skype because the people they want to contact use skype and it's hard to convince them to do otherwise. That might be because of business rules mandating it's use for internal calls or skype subscriptions the business has. It might also be an issue for those for whom using Skype is much cheaper than using anything else, perhaps because they already have a long subscription for calling phones via Skype, a way to cheaply get gift codes for such subscription (perhaps from a loyalty programs) or some exemption in their carrier's data plans for using Skype that doesn't exist for other, competing services.
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W dniu 2018-07-16 o 23:25, Brian Vogel pisze:
This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an issue?
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
Gene
At times, when I am discussing what someone should
do and the person is afraid to try a new version of something, I tell them that
it's better to learn a new thing when they are not under pressure to do
so. If they wait until what they are currently using no longer can be
used, they will have to learn the new thing under pressure because they can't
use the old thing while they learn.
Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 - Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will still work I don't know.The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog article, Upgrade to the latest version of Skype for desktop, dated today (7/16/2018), that serves as the source material. He quotes the following from it, "There comes a time when we must shut down older services and application versions." The phrase "shutting down" is completely unambiguous in the tech world: older versions will not work, and typically by intention. I don't care whether your blind, or sighted, or whatever: Nothing is so constant as change (and nowhere is it more constant than the world of computing). When software vendors are telling you that the time has come to upgrade that should make you rush out and upgrade while you can have overlap between the old and new. Once that shutdown occurs you will be tossed into the deep end. Software and hardware both have service lives. It does no good to cling to the dying or dead. And, in the event the "latest and greatest" isn't for you, for any you, your energy is far better spent finding a replacement. This is another reason why early upgrading makes sense, as you can more accurately determine whether it's time to find a replacement if you simply cannot work with the latest and greatest. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Skype and messages or events.
Hi,
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For the UWP version, pressing Alt+1 to move to conversations will present missed calls and messages in reverse chronological order. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 5:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Skype and messages or events. So question about the new Skype, and I think this should apply for 8 or the version in Windows 10. One of the things I really like about Skype classic is having conversations in separate windows. This isn't so much because it's easier to switch conversations, though it is, but rather because of something like this. Suppose I'm at my machine, and then I say "hey self, I know what we're gonna do, we're gonna go practice mandolin for an hour and clarinet for another hour. Then we'll get lunch"! So I do that, and come back to my machine two and a half hours later. How in the world do I know if somebody tried to call me, or if I got a new chat message? With Skype classic, no problem, I alt-tab through windows and see "oh hey, there's a Skype window open". I'm pretty sure the longest I can tell notifications to stay open is five minutes, and even then, I can't always alt-tab to them, even if they're open. I also don't think they hang around in the action center for that long, do they? There's probably an easy way to handle this and I just don't know it yet, because I have Skype for 10 on the laptop and I don't do much with Skype there, honestly I haven't done tons with Skype lately for some reason. But I'm sure that will change. Is there a fairly easy to find out if and when new things have happened?
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Skype and messages or events.
John Isige
So question about the new Skype, and I think this should apply for 8 or the version in Windows 10. One of the things I really like about Skype classic is having conversations in separate windows. This isn't so much because it's easier to switch conversations, though it is, but rather because of something like this.
Suppose I'm at my machine, and then I say "hey self, I know what we're gonna do, we're gonna go practice mandolin for an hour and clarinet for another hour. Then we'll get lunch"! So I do that, and come back to my machine two and a half hours later. How in the world do I know if somebody tried to call me, or if I got a new chat message? With Skype classic, no problem, I alt-tab through windows and see "oh hey, there's a Skype window open". I'm pretty sure the longest I can tell notifications to stay open is five minutes, and even then, I can't always alt-tab to them, even if they're open. I also don't think they hang around in the action center for that long, do they? There's probably an easy way to handle this and I just don't know it yet, because I have Skype for 10 on the laptop and I don't do much with Skype there, honestly I haven't done tons with Skype lately for some reason. But I'm sure that will change. Is there a fairly easy to find out if and when new things have happened?
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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -
No its not updates from the article, they are killing the minimal version on the server, ie if you have not got 8 on september 1 onward you won't be able to even login.
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On 7/17/2018 10:41 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
The article in question provided many details. Windows 10 was not
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Every platform, however to be honest you will have to learn the new skype if you need it I for myself don't but if you do you will have to use the new one as best as you can.
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On 7/17/2018 10:35 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?
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I like waterfox, chrome is fine I guess, but who knows.
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On 7/17/2018 9:42 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi Sean,
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Well I am not in the us sadly.
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I will look at it but to be honest if I start looking at hangouts web then I may as well use skype web.
On 7/17/2018 9:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,
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Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess
To be honest though that would count for me for every upgrade.
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I updated from dos to windows because of hardware and the fact I wanted more than 1 task. I updated from win95 to win 98 because I could. I updated from 98 to xp because of better drivers support etc. I updated from xp to 7 because of security reasons and my computer died. But I could have continued on xp for ever more. I will update to 10 because of firstly security and secondly, I can't use anything over 6th generation pluss win7 is about dead anyway. But if I had the choice I'd still be on stable xp.
On 7/17/2018 9:35 AM, Gene wrote:
Are there features you want or apps you want to run that you can't run now? If you have a reason to upgrade such as that, you may want to. If you are more curious and have no strong reason to do so, I have real reservations about whether its worth upgrading a computer you are satisfied with.
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:39 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
If they're shutting it down, these versions will no longer work.And that's the central point I was trying to make. Those of us who have spent decades in information technology know that "shutting down" is not code for something, but is a direct statement of intent (and, of course, result). -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Eleni Vamvakari
There are also instances in which using an older version remains
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possible, though it is no longer updated. However, you're right. If they're shutting it down, these versions will no longer work.
On 16/07/2018, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 06:41 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog --
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 06:41 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will still work I don't know.The author of the article gave a direct link to the Skype Blog article, Upgrade to the latest version of Skype for desktop, dated today (7/16/2018), that serves as the source material. He quotes the following from it, "There comes a time when we must shut down older services and application versions." The phrase "shutting down" is completely unambiguous in the tech world: older versions will not work, and typically by intention. I don't care whether your blind, or sighted, or whatever: Nothing is so constant as change (and nowhere is it more constant than the world of computing). When software vendors are telling you that the time has come to upgrade that should make you rush out and upgrade while you can have overlap between the old and new. Once that shutdown occurs you will be tossed into the deep end. Software and hardware both have service lives. It does no good to cling to the dying or dead. And, in the event the "latest and greatest" isn't for you, for any you, your energy is far better spent finding a replacement. This is another reason why early upgrading makes sense, as you can more accurately determine whether it's time to find a replacement if you simply cannot work with the latest and greatest. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Eleni Vamvakari
The article in question provided many details. Windows 10 was not
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mentioned exclusively either. They are no longer supporting Skype 7, what they call Classic Skype and will be forcing people to upgrade to the modern version. Whether there is a way to avoid the updates and whether Classic will still work I don't know. S Portable may be an option, but even then, I usually have to tell it not to update.
On 16/07/2018, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the --
Facebook: elvam2167@gmail.com anyaudio.net: elvam2167 Skype: elvam2167
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Robert Mendoza
Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?
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Robert Mendoza
On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
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Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
Gene
That's not surprising. I just looked it up
and it is a cloud-based system. It's interesting and I'm going to play
with the demo. But in fairness to Eloquence, it's like comparing a
calculator to a supercomputer. Eloquence is remarkably good for its
class.
Gene
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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen
readers Actually, Eloquence is beaten now for best pronunciation, by a synth that is not on Windows. Google TTS beats Eloquence hands down for pronunciation. I can’t find anything in the dictionary that it pronounces wrong, but I can with Eloquence. For example, Samhain, a Pagan festival is pronounced Sowan with a hard OW as in Cow, Eloquence completely mangles that and pronounces it Samhain as spelled.
Google One, Eloquence definitely Nil.
All the best
Steve
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nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
What you listen to makes a difference, headphones allow for faster listening with fewer words missed at the same fast speed. But the most important thing is what synthesizer you use. I don't know about all the newer synthesizers so I don't know if any are as good at fast speeds as Eloquence. In general, they aren't. Eloquence is, in my sampling of synthesizers, the easiest to understand at fast speeds, 350, 400 or more words per minute. It pronounces more words correctly without correcting with a speech dictionary. The voice sounds annoying when listening at a normal rate. It sounds raspy. This raspiness is significantly reduced when listening at a fast rate and I don't find it bothersome. Perhaps at first, it might be and I might have found it so. But I quickly got used to it. At times, for pleasure reading of long sections of text, a book, a very long article, I use a different voice such as the Dectalk synthesizer.
But how anyone can stand most of the newer synthesizers is beyond my comprehension. They slur words when joining them, leave off certain sounds when joining words, pause at unnatural times, use unnatural inflections, and I don't recall if I've left anything out. these newer synthesizers work by sampling a specific person saying thousands or more words. Then the synthesizer joins these actually spoken words together into speech. They can produce words out of phonemes of the sampled voice as well but much of their speech is playing prerecorded words in the right order. Think of how you would speak if you had prerecorded words in your brain and you spoke by a system combining prerecorded words. Inflections would be wrong, words wouldn't be joined properly, in short, you would sound like these newer kind of synthesizers.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers
I have found that what I am
listening to makes a difference too.
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Eleni Vamvakari
I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
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charges. But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they throttle the connection, making it much slower. I only use it during the day when in the backyard or when on trips. Otherwise, I use our home wifi, so it's not an issue. I would never use a pay as you go plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype conversations are a minimum of three hours each. I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine, are connected to it. Plus, my parents know very little about computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.
On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
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You cannot tie any account to it. It is like cysco or what ever conferencing services use, except there is a mac and windows and mobile client and the sound is good. The person can call in by phone if they need to as well. I even mute people upoin joining the meeting to prevent distractions.
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I don’t use the key strokes. I lost the guide someone kindly sent. I just tab to the wend media and files button same as on the mac and whack it.
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Take care
On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:47 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:
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Steve Nutt
Hi Sean,
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I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts. I'd rather have Chrome than Edge any day. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 - I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that way. Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could have that. I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and others and who knows. I like my pc though. On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote: This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use: Why is this such an issue?
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