https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/163337/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1

Well aparently new skype is supposed to be having the same interface so maybe I try it and see.




On 7/17/2018 3:06 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Alright then, Shaun I will wait further instructions more on how to shift to new line of Skype version from here but surely the rest of the folks here are vastly impacted by this killing of the classic interface if there will be a time to be out in the space soon for sure the pressure will be more intense as it was generally specially for the blind who uses themselves the classic for their job calls, Or rather look for alternative VOIP service that is accessible

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 8:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Every platform, however to be honest you will have to learn the new skype if you need it I for myself don't but if you do you will have to use the new one as best as you can.




On 7/17/2018 10:35 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges.  But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower.  I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips.  Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue.  I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it.  Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts.  I'd rather have Chrome than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.

             ~ Richard Dehmel

.

Odd, yeah I can get around it very very quickly. It pretty  much is
like skype 8 on the mac, very easy to flip between stuff.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net
<mailto:gwynn@tds.net>> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking
about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's
kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet,
though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away,
that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I
haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September
1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so,
how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to
send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else
instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine
running it to check.

Actually, Eloquence is beaten now for best pronunciation, by a synth that is not on Windows.  Google TTS beats Eloquence hands down for pronunciation.  I can’t find anything in the dictionary that it pronounces wrong, but I can with Eloquence.  For example, Samhain, a Pagan festival is pronounced Sowan with a hard OW as in Cow, Eloquence completely mangles that and pronounces it Samhain as spelled.

Google One, Eloquence definitely Nil.

All the best

Steve

I have found that what I am listening to makes a difference too.
If it is too fast, and there is a great deal of specifics to analyze, the information may need to be read at a slower speed.  If it is more conversational like, then a higher speed works because we can mentally predict the flow of the writing.
Glenn


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

Unfortunately I think it depends on the person. I know people who regularly read so fast I simply cannot understand it. I also find that it gives me a headache if I set it too fast.
 I imagine it depends on the person, what their first language is and if they are listening in it and also the actual voice and synth in use.
 I never get anywhere near 95, but then I have no pressing need to most times.

I do find the more artifical voices better at spead than the so called human sounding ones probably due to the  whay certain sylables aare handled.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers


Hello season users of screen readers!
Advice me on this. I'm a student and require to read large texts on regular
basis. Although, this is something I love doing, it would be very beneficial
if I could improve my reading, or shall I say listening speed, with NVDA. I
would like to retain the same level of comprehension I have right now at
higher speeds. I have gradually moved up my way to 95% without boost in
NVDA, so I know it could be done. But, I'm finding it difficult to move
forward. Also, beyond 95% and in boost mode Espeak MAx starts to flutter. It
is still very comprehensible, but the fluttering voice is annoying. Can you
guys suggest me ways to upgrade my listening game? Do I need to switch to a
different variant voice of Espeak or shall I change my synthesizer? Is there
a cap to how fast can we listen?
All suggestions are welcome!
Also let me know at what speed rates do you guys read your screen readers
on/

Regards

I'm so used to E-speak that Eloquence is incoherent to me. But, the flutter you get in E-speak in the boost mode is hindering me to achieve faster speeds. So, I'm forcing myself to get used to Eloquence.

And yes, the so called natural sounding synthesizers are not as good at high speeds. But then, SAPI5 and one core voices aren't much behind if we compare them to these so called natural voices at moderate voices. I tried a demo of Acapella, didn't like it much. It's high quality voices do sound good, and more human like, but you can't use them at high speeds. The speech becomes incoherent. There is a clatter in the background.  When it comes to high speed functionality, there is nothing better than E[speak and Eloquence.
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Regards,
Sociohack

Hi


Do not forget the web version of skype 2 i here also use both skype desk
top at present and the app version.


There is a tutorial for desk top and app but not web yet it is written
and a audio one just not corrected yet.


Gene nz


On 7/17/2018 4:56 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

I just want to find something with a simple, accessible interface that
I can use for sending messages and making voice calls.

On 17/07/2018, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

Odd, yeah I can get around it very very quickly. It pretty much is like
skype 8 on the mac, very easy to flip between stuff.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about
Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow,
but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did
receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be
using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how?
I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a
file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead,
can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to
check.

I just want to find something with a simple, accessible interface that
I can use for sending messages and making voice calls.

On 17/07/2018, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

Odd, yeah I can get around it very very quickly. It pretty much is like
skype 8 on the mac, very easy to flip between stuff.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about
Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow,
but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did
receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be
using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how?
I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a
file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead,
can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to
check.

Alright then, Shaun I will wait further instructions more on how to shift to new line of Skype version from here but surely the rest of the folks here are vastly impacted by this killing of the classic interface if there will be a time to be out in the space soon for sure the pressure will be more intense as it was generally specially for the blind who uses themselves the classic for their job calls, Or rather look for alternative VOIP service that is accessible

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 8:07 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Every platform, however to be honest you will have to learn the new skype if you need it I for myself don't but if you do you will have to use the new one as best as you can.




On 7/17/2018 10:35 AM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, can someone validate this statement are true for the sake of the welfare of others. For I know it's been almost years been using Skype for call and video conferencing to my folks. And how this will be going to be severely impacted some of us using of the Skype. The reason of this is because here in my area some of the folks and businesses uses Skype for their jobs, and useful to consider as well. Better to provide link that could shed details for this matter.Is this concern for the Windows 10 only or to other platform?

Robert Mendoza


On 7/17/2018 5:56 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

I'm on a family plan with TMobile. It's unlimited, with no overage
charges.  But iy ou use a certain amount of data in one month, they
throttle the connection, making it much slower.  I only use it during
the day when in the backyard or when on trips.  Otherwise, I use our
home wifi, so it's not an issue.  I would never use a pay as you go
plan, because I use the Internet for many hours per day, and my Skype
conversations are a minimum of three hours each.

I don't pay for the home wifi, and other things, which are not mine,
are connected to it.  Plus, my parents know very little about
computers, so I'm not going to play with their modem.

On 16/07/2018, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Sean,

I like Chrome, so therefore, I like hangouts.  I'd rather have Chrome than
Edge any day.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 16 July 2018 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

I am not exactly happy with leaving skype, since skype has been something I
have had to use on and off, however while there was a potential time that I
may have had to use skype, fact is there for business it never happened that
way.

Hangouts needs chrome, I would really like a stand alone client if I could
have that.

I have not decided but I may try to learn the new skype, however a lot of
family use whats app on a newer mobile device and there is also skype and
others and who knows.

I like my pc though.




On 7/17/2018 9:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled
with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an
issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are
many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible. It will also be
interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with
regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.

             ~ Richard Dehmel

.

Odd, yeah I can get around it very very quickly. It pretty  much is
like skype 8 on the mac, very easy to flip between stuff.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net
<mailto:gwynn@tds.net>> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking
about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's
kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet,
though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away,
that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I
haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of John
Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so,
how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to
send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else
instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine
running it to check.

Odd, yeah I can get around it very very quickly. It pretty much is like
skype 8 on the mac, very easy to flip between stuff.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@tds.net> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about
Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow,
but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did
receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be
using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how?
I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a
file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead,
can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to
check.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:44 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

try chrome

from what I understand it is doable with narator or at least most of it is.




On 7/16/2018 6:21 PM, John Isige wrote:

So I listened to a very nice podcast about one of the new Narrator features on the Insiders build, the start guide. I fired up Narrator, just to see what it was like. Opened Firefox, and Narrator pretty much wouldn't read or navigate a site, Youtube as it happens. Popped NVDA back on, and it worked just fine.


Not to turn this into a Narrator thread, but does Narrator only work, or mostly work, with Microsoft apps? I periodically test Narrator because it's there so why not? Plus Windows is integrating it more, e.g. you can supposedly install 10 from scratch using Narrator, Narrator in safe mode, and so on. I figure that makes it worth getting familiar with if for no other reason than I'll know how to use it when it's the thing I'll need to use. But it's gonna be hard to become familiar with it if it doesn't work with chunks of the stuff I use. Is there a Narrator list or something, like this list basically? I tried looking around for something like "using Microsoft narrator with Firefox", but I just get stuff about using Narrator generally or occasional reviews of using older versions of Narrator.


I'm thankful Microsoft is making accessibility a bigger priority and giving us things like installation and safe mode, well I've never really tried either but you know, I'm glad they're there if something comes up. But for me, Narrator's nowhere near NVDA. I know some people have implied that it is, and I'm not trying to make this a fight or anything. So I'm sort of trying to find out, you know does all of this great functionality come from sticking solely to Microsoft's stuff? Because I don't get the hype. I can't imagine using it as my primary screen reader for any length of time. People say it's getting closer to things like NVDA. But for me, I just don't see it. Am I missing something? Because right now I think my dream scenario would be NVDA from power on, or as close as it could be managed.

-- 
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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y

On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

Pretty sure Skype for Win. 10 doesn't have menus. I'm not talking about Skype 8, but Skype for Win. 10. It mostly works, though it's kind of slow, but I haven't gotten sending files to work from it yet, though I did receive one the other day. If classic's going away, that's what I'll be using and I think that's the one feature I haven't gotten working yet.


On 7/16/2018 15:48, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I have done it through the menus, I haven't tried a hotkey for it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Have you gotten sending files to work in Skype on Windows 10? If so, how? I'm fairly sure the keystroke is supposed to be shift-ctrl-f to send a file but I've never gotten it to work, it does something else instead, can't recall what at the moment and I'm not on the machine running it to check.

Okay, the simple answer, for me, is that no mattter how many accessible options there are, my friends are all either on Skype or Discord, and the latter is still inaccessible last I heard. I can't expect my sighted friends to go to TeamTalk or any other thing, and from the sounds of things it wouldn't be worth it the few times I call anyone.

I mainly use Skype's text chat feature. In current Skype, it is easier to flip between conversations and read the chat history. In Skype 8, which I tried last year, I could not work out how to do either.

On 17/07/2018 7:25 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible.  It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

This is a serious question from someone who is aware of Skype, and dabbled with it, but never adopted it for regular use:   Why is this such an issue?

It doesn't just seem to me, but it's been confirmed here, that there are many alternatives to Skype many of which are accessible.  It will also be interesting to see what UI interface changes occur, particularly with regard to accessibility, with Skype 8.0.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

Hi, Brian

I agreed that is the least steps to consider to take place our actions, if microsoft insist us to move to a new version better to come up with better mitigation to resolve to make it possible to be accessible. Also, like to add, since we are talking Skype here. I tried to open the Skype apps to my Windows 10 but unlikely so slow to load. Not sure if others has the same experience with it.

Robert mendoza

On 7/17/2018 11:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:36 PM, P. Otter wrote:

we can ask microsoft to keep skype classic alive!

Or you can ask them to make the latest version accessible.

I can tell you which is likely to have even the slightest possibility of a positive outcome.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel