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Re: 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

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Yes for those who may be unaware of the issues one can get into without a
good bit of personal discipline, as a worker who is now unpaid with talents
charities want, I soon realised that the world soon starts to own your life
and no is a hard word to say, especially when you feel passionate about an
issue. I had to bow out of many committees and meetings and attempt to get
others to cover them. After all for whatever reason its in everybody's
interest to tackle these issues, and often its let the willing take the
load. Unfortunately in this case I am not best suited to this since I am to
programming what Donald Trump is to international understanding and trade,
but I would say that Joseph has probably put more into this project than
many people on here, so if you can help out, I would be grateful, as
although I seldom find I can listen and contribute to the con. I do often
download files and listen to them later on to get a feel for what others are
intending to do.
Joseph, nothing is worth compromising your health for, particularly as you
are still young. I am an old codger as we in the UK call us retired geeks,
but do enjoy the ability to keep using computers which I thought I'd lost
when my sight finally went.
Thanks again

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons


Hi all,



A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival.
However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to
possible toll on my health, I'd like to pass on the organization of this
event to other members of the NVDA community.



As much as I'd like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know
that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I'm taking
more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and
other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season,
I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the
school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other
activities. Also, as I'll be traveling to different schools for debates and
other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and
other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college
student.



Also, I'm desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think
about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last
few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I've seen as a member of this
community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International
2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my
time), making sure those who'll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing
experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis
(wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).



Thus, I believe I'm not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons
Festival at this time, thus I'd like to request that the community take this
on. I'd be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind
which I'd like to present in a keynote-style presentation).



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: possible eloquence solution

Tyler Wood
 

I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason, mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that I don't want.


I can't win.

On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

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Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8


Gene nz



On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 



IMPORTANT MILESTONE REACHED: wxPython 4 makes the cut to master/alpha snapshots and beyond, Project Heliopolis development phase is finished

 

Dear NVDA Community:

 

Please circulate the following notice throughout the community (including to translators, other users, add-on authors and beyond), as it’ll affect EVERYONE:

 

I’m delighted to announce that, as of July 18, 2018, wxPython 4 officially comes to NVDA! This means, going forward, wxPython 4 code will be in use throughout NVDA (alpha, future betas, future stable releases and so on). Note that unless really serious regressions occur, wxPython 4 will be here to stay.

 

Relevant pull request can be found at:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7104

 

Depending on who you are, please do one or more of the following:

 

For users and testers:

  1. If you wish to find out what wxPython 4 “feels” like, take a look at alpha snapshots.
  2. Please take note of advisories issued by add-on authors and others once a stable version with wxPython 4 ships.
  3. Please provide feedback if you find problems with wxPython 4 and NVDA.

 

For add-on authors and reviewers:

  1. If your add-on uses functions/classes/variables from wxPython, be sure to test your add-on and write code that is compatible with wxPython 4 (and/or wxPython 3.0.2.0).
  2. For Remote Support add-on: I’ll take my hotfix version down the day add-on authors release an official hotfix.
  3. For add-ons I am (or I’ll be) reviewing: I’ll start commenting on compatibility issues with wxPython 4 starting on September 1, 2018.

 

For third-party Core developers (outside of NV Access):

  1. If your pull request relies on materials from wxPython and/or GUI, I advise merging in latest master before working on them further in hopes of reducing conflicts.
  2. In case conflicts do arise after merging master, please resolve them before working on your pull request.

 

P.S. Some might be wondering what “Project Heliopolis” is:

 

According to various legends, a phoenix is a mythical bird that can live for hundreds of years and can be reborn from ashes of its former body when it burns. Other legends state that the young phoenix would fly to Heliopolis (Greek for “sun city”) where it’ll bury the ashes of its former self encased in an egg. This became the inspiration for wxPython Phoenix (version 4), which, according to its developer, is an effort to rewrite this GUI toolkit to make it better.

 

The Heliopolis project makes a nod to wxPython Phoenix by porting NVDA’s GUI subsystem and others to wxPython 4. This began in 2015 when I first ported NVDA to wxPython Phoenix code base with some difficulties. In 2016, I resurrected this project but met various difficulties while doing more work in summer of 2016.

 

Then in April 2017, wxPython 4 alpha hit the air, which gave me and others a chance to experiment with more stable version of the Phoenix code base. For the most part, prior work in 2015 and 2016 paid off, as NVDA ran almost flawlessly under wxPython 4. The big major problem was wx.Yield function, which was solved by defining a non-reentrant timer in GUI module in 2018. In March 2018, wxPython 4 made its debut in the NVDA community in the form of a series of what is now former next branch snapshots, and this opened up bugs with add-ons that were addressed in most cases.

 

With wxPython 4 merged (finally) into master, I can declare that we have achieved two milestones: moving onto wxPython Phoenix (thus accomplishing the original goal of Heliopolis project), and moving closer to the “big switch”: Python 3. For many of you, what you saw with wxPython 4 switch is (and will be) just a taste of what’s to come once the NVDA screen reader finally transitions to Python 3 (preferably 3.7). Also, on a personal note, I can finally sleep in peace (a bit more peacefully) after seeing the fruition of a project I’ve been championing since 2015.

 

I’d like to take this time to thank everyone who was involved with wxPython 4 transition: NV Access, Robin Dunn (wxPython developer), Leonard (Babbage) and many others.

 

Enjoy wxPython 4.

Cheers,

Joseph

P.S. By the way, we get the “six” module for free with this milestone.


Re: 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

Mário Navarro
 




Joseph, dear friend.
take your time to what are your priorities.
I admire you for what you are, and for what you do for all of us.
I wish you good studies, happiness, and all what you need...

Thanks for everything dear friend.
long life to Joseph Lee.
cheers.


Às 06:30 de 18/07/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi all,

 

A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival. However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to possible toll on my health, I’d like to pass on the organization of this event to other members of the NVDA community.

 

As much as I’d like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I’m taking more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season, I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other activities. Also, as I’ll be traveling to different schools for debates and other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college student.

 

Also, I’m desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I’ve seen as a member of this community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International 2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my time), making sure those who’ll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis (wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).

 

Thus, I believe I’m not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival at this time, thus I’d like to request that the community take this on. I’d be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind which I’d like to present in a keynote-style presentation).

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph


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2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

 

Hi all,

 

A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival. However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to possible toll on my health, I’d like to pass on the organization of this event to other members of the NVDA community.

 

As much as I’d like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I’m taking more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season, I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other activities. Also, as I’ll be traveling to different schools for debates and other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college student.

 

Also, I’m desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I’ve seen as a member of this community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International 2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my time), making sure those who’ll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis (wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).

 

Thus, I believe I’m not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival at this time, thus I’d like to request that the community take this on. I’d be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind which I’d like to present in a keynote-style presentation).

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Cristóbal
 

All alt plus F gets me in Skype 8.25 for desktop is:

New Group... Ctrl+G
New Chat... Ctrl+N
New Call...
View profile...
Sign Out
Quit Ctrl+Q

 

There are the applications settings, audio/video, help and feedback options if pressing spacebar on more options, but even if you click on the audio/video, there’s nothing about answering or handling phone calls. Just the microphone and speakrs stuff.

Odd that no one’s really got a definitive answer to this or has dealt with this scenario of having to answer a phone call in Skype. Having to locate an accept button to click on it instead of invoking a simple hotkey that would work in any window you may find yourself in would be a major step backwards. Forget about accessibility, but simpl functionality in general. I hope this isnt’ the case and I’m just overlooking something.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi

 

I have just been looking at skype 8 and how it is setup.

I will put together a tutorial later on today or tomorrow.

 

I did find the section for answering calls in skype 8 it is under your profile then calling and then answer incoming calls. You need to use alt key + letter F then go down the menus to get tto those other sections.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 

 


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I have just been looking at skype 8 and how it is setup.

I will put together a tutorial later on today or tomorrow.


I did find the section for answering calls in skype 8 it is under your profile then calling and then answer incoming calls. You need to use alt key + letter F then go down the menus to get tto those other sections.


Gene nz



On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 



Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

are you talking about the classic version or the latest version?

On 7/17/2018 5:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
Alt page up is the default keyboard shortcut to answer phone calls.
However, you need to enable hot keys in Skype options in order to use
it, as this isn't generally checked by default.

On 7/17/18, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure
for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would
work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older
versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated
my
main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?



Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the
accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.





I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use
voip alot now.



Gene nz











On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before
MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys
from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-t
hem-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a basic function, but it’s not
listed
in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for
answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as
a
shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal








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Re: nvda and app windows not closing

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

So how do you terminate the program?

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing

 

Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing

 

HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: nvda and app windows not closing

 

Well some of those are open in background you need to go to background apps and unselect or select the apps you want in privacy, its good I guess if you want to have all your startups in 1 place.

On 7/18/2018 6:28 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
HI,
If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.

Josh


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Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

I don't need skype for what I do, its a pitty its going like this, I may eventually come back, but yeah, the new model seems that sighted just accept it and move with it.

Nothing can stay the same but still.

On 7/17/2018 11:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes its been all over the access areas for a couple of days. I got rid of it a while back. it was just so often  knackered by apparently simple updates even in the xp days that I ran out of patience with the Skype writers, and sadly Microsofts record has been no better.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -


https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/163337/microsoft-killing-skype-classic-september-1




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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Jackie
 

Alt page up is the default keyboard shortcut to answer phone calls.
However, you need to enable hot keys in Skype options in order to use
it, as this isn't generally checked by default.

On 7/17/18, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure
for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would
work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older
versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated
my
main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?



Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the
accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.





I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use
voip alot now.



Gene nz











On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before
MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys
from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-t
hem-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a basic function, but it’s not
listed
in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for
answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as
a
shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal








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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Cristóbal
 

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If skype 8 for desk top is what i am seeing now it is very similar to the web version of skype for web.


Gene nz



On 7/18/2018 3:07 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I decided to play around with the Skype Win10 App [version 12.1815.210.0] this morning and, on the whole, it seems (to me - big proviso there) to be accessible.

I can land on all major controls, most have keyboard shortcuts, and I'm getting back and forth content in a single text messaging thread read back by NVDA.

If anyone wants to play around with Skype in the Win10 App version to try to figure things out let me know.  In combination with Quick Assist to let me see what's happening on the other end it's likely that the interface can be figured out, as I've seen much, much worse in terms of access to controls, lack of labels for same, etc.

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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.



I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.


Gene nz






On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal



Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal


Re: NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

 

I couldn't get it to save my book marks in the respective folder no matter how many times I told it to this is one of the huge huge reasons why I don't use water fox of course if I can rfix this issue then I would go back to water fox

Hank

On 7/17/2018 4:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm using water fox inwindows 7, its so much faster toopen pages than Firefox.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.


Hi,

Try Narrator with Chrome.  I find firefox is officially awful now.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: 17 July 2018 02:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA vs. Narrator: NVDA still wins.

So I listened to a very nice podcast about one of the new Narrator features on the Insiders build, the start guide. I fired up Narrator, just to see what it was like. Opened Firefox, and Narrator pretty much wouldn't read or navigate a site, Youtube as it happens. Popped NVDA back on, and it worked just fine.


Not to turn this into a Narrator thread, but does Narrator only work, or mostly work, with Microsoft apps? I periodically test Narrator because it's there so why not? Plus Windows is integrating it more, e.g. you can supposedly install 10 from scratch using Narrator, Narrator in safe mode, and so on. I figure that makes it worth getting familiar with if for no other reason than I'll know how to use it when it's the thing I'll need to use. But it's gonna be hard to become familiar with it if it doesn't work with chunks of the stuff I use. Is there a Narrator list or something, like this list basically? I tried looking around for something like "using Microsoft narrator with Firefox", but I just get stuff about using Narrator generally or occasional reviews of using older versions of Narrator.


I'm thankful Microsoft is making accessibility a bigger priority and giving us things like installation and safe mode, well I've never really tried either but you know, I'm glad they're there if something comes up.
But for me, Narrator's nowhere near NVDA. I know some people have implied that it is, and I'm not trying to make this a fight or anything.
So I'm sort of trying to find out, you know does all of this great functionality come from sticking solely to Microsoft's stuff? Because I don't get the hype. I can't imagine using it as my primary screen reader for any length of time. People say it's getting closer to things like NVDA. But for me, I just don't see it. Am I missing something? Because right now I think my dream scenario would be NVDA from power on, or as close as it could be managed.











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Re: nvda and app windows not closing

 

Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing

 

HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.

 

Josh

 

 

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