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Re: IMPORTANT MILESTONE REACHED: wxPython 4 makes the cut to master/alpha snapshots and beyond, Project Heliopolis development phase is finished

Cleverson Casarin Uliana
 

Hello, just to congratulate everyone who orked on this.

Greetings,
Cleverson


Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Espeak used to be good. but Espeak NG is trash to the extent that
they're messing up language pronounciations that worked better before
they edited them. Chinese being one such example of this even to a non
Chinese Speaker.
That synth is pure filth and speaks of low grade quality. This is why
Jaws succeeded due to Eloquence. Dectalk often sounds like someone's
talking with their lips close together. I'd actually say festival is a
better synth. I wish it was used more and developed.

On 7/18/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to
write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the
voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one,
which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't
sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth,
after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled
that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced
tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and
quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower
system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.




On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak
is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain
Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use
a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason,
mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that
I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to
have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think
myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it
obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even
moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am
happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words
that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech
player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody
take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to
realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is
the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory
from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides,
Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh
Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up.
So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the
same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer
it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease
of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for
windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps
working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory
licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice
portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if
Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc,
you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if
you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and
download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s
and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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File not found. when saving text file

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi,

I recently noticed strange behavior to my other machine after I got updated to stable version of NVDA 2018.2.1, when I am about to save particular file in notepad as regular text file format.it keeps me prompting me with an error
C:\Users\rbmendoza\Documents\testing.txt
File not found.

Though fact, I am just wanting to save a regular text file so, as alternative I done some troubleshooting to ensure the behavior I removed it thoroughly the 2018.2.1, reboot after then tried to installed older version of NVDA which is 2018.1 then the saving process works fine. Not sure what seems the problem for this . Hope could someone could help me for this matter. Thanks.

Robert Mendoza


Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

I'd like the tutorial for the win10 app myself to.

While all the menus are the issue, if we knew all the shortcuts I could still use it, my issue ofcause access wize is even in skype 7 I rarely needed to really use all of it.

The phone, the contacts, the chat feature and reading history.

Happy it can be saved though I always found that part of skype 7 a real chore, especially if you got into the add pain then all your access keys never worked till you pulled out of it.

If its a true web app maybe it won't be as bad.

On 7/18/2018 8:51 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Brian


The skype 8 program was downloaded from skype.com and i grabbed the
skype 8 desk top version to see what it was like.


So it replaced my version 7.4 of skype.


The new version is more web based it lookes like and is quite easy to
navigate etc. you just need to work out where stuff appears when you
open stuff.


The tutorial for the basics is almost finished. There might be some
other stuff i might add to it?


I still have the skype app on my windows 10 machine that is the one
where you do more tabbing etc.

It is more like the other apps on Windows 8 and 10.


The web version of skype is done through your browser and is web based
so it is pretty much like the skype 8 desk top program.

It is meant to work with a few different browsers it is like in a web
page only it is a program like the skype 8 desk top program.


The skype 8 desk top program i might even just do a audio over view of
what it is like where to go in the program to find different sections
like accepting calls automatically etc along the lines of the tutorial i
am writing up.



So have i confused a few people now?


Gene nz





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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short
cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not
listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but
nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really
not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal











Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

 

Well, portable means portable I guess.

So web apps should work, the net works at any rate, basic admin tasks, etc but yes a lot of extras need installed versions at least anything that needs admin access.

On 7/18/2018 8:37 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Could I also add here. If you want to use a portable version of NVDA you will find it very much better on windows 7 than 10, simply because they use UIA a lot more and that needs you to be a user of the machine, ie somebody wityh install rights and all of that to use it. Portable versions often struggle in places in 10 where it just works in 7.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess


Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.







Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Brian


The skype 8 program was downloaded from skype.com and i grabbed the
skype 8 desk top version to see what it was like.


So it replaced my version 7.4 of skype.


The new version is more web based it lookes like and is quite easy to
navigate etc. you just need to work out where stuff appears when you
open stuff.


The tutorial for the basics is almost finished. There might be some
other stuff i might add to it?


I still have the skype app on my windows 10 machine that is the one
where you do more tabbing etc.

It is more like the other apps on Windows 8 and 10.


The web version of skype is done through your browser and is web based
so it is pretty much like the skype 8 desk top program.

It is meant to work with a few different browsers it is like in a web
page only it is a program like the skype 8 desk top program.


The skype 8 desk top program i might even just do a audio over view of
what it is like where to go in the program to find different sections
like accepting calls automatically etc along the lines of the tutorial i
am writing up.



So have i confused a few people now?


Gene nz

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Is this the one being dumped in September for this mobile like looking
jobby?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it
also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial
for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to
accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much
like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You
figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it
that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already
existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t
updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it
is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i
use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it
before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short
cut keys from:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t
believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not
listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but
nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really
not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










Re: New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Could I also add here. If you want to use a portable version of NVDA you will find it very much better on windows 7 than 10, simply because they use UIA a lot more and that needs you to be a user of the machine, ie somebody wityh install rights and all of that to use it. Portable versions often struggle in places in 10 where it just works in 7.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] New to list, newbie question, everything new starts here I guess


Howdy list,

I am running Windows 7. Lately I'm starting to feel like the guy running XP when there's a better option available. I remember when Windows 10 first came out NVDA advised not upgrading yet. I realize that was many Windows 10 updates and a few NVDA releases ago. My question is, since you are all it seems experienced users, should I take the plunge finally? How steep is the learning curve on Windows 10, and is Edge workable with NVDA? Also I'm curious about apps since I've never tried Windows 8.1 either.
Thanks for your help and your attention.


Re: nvda and app windows not closing

 

Well ofcause the issue with the running apps bar especially may mean stuff thats pinned the bar can also show running apps.

On 7/18/2018 8:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Its not just that though, I've noticed even in windows 7, even if the app appears to be closed, a look at running  applications and processes often will still show them in the list but using very little memory and no processor time. I have a theory that its to enable quicker starting the next time you call them.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing


Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing



HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.



Josh





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Yes, to be honest web apps and mobile cloud services are the future.

Now thats not necessarily a bad thing its just that us humans will milk it  for all its worth, 1 ring for them all, etc.

The issue is especially for us old timers things don't always fit, and worse depending on what you have they may not fit at all.

Narator, maybe, but for reasons everyone is aware of even though ms says its the best, I still don't trust it.

If anything nvda is in a good position to go completely web as long as controls and menus work right.

Followed by jaws as a second.

Dolphin are trying but they are even slower than vfo.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal










Re: possible eloquence solution

 

Espeak is good enough, it reminds me of the keynote and its quite good.

Bar my phone eloquence never interested me, nuance actually tried to write a 16 bit eloquence, but I doubt bar improving the quality of the voices, so you hear a 8 bit synth digitally orgmented to a 16 bit one, which just sounds crappy because it is obvious that the convert doesn't sound right at all.

Dectalk is another, but to be honest, orpheus1 was my prefered synth, after that, espeak the first one.

Vocaliser and realspeak were my synths of choice and if I hadn't pulled that off a server a friend had ages ago I would never have any advanced tts, they are just to expensive for sapi.

At least the third party stuff is.

But the robotic crap while not good for reading its low resource and quite usefull for just about everything else.

The higher non crappy stuff is fine for reading but put it on a slower system, and its almost not even worth running it long term.

On 7/18/2018 7:09 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason, mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that I don't want.


I can't win.



On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

 

My issue and my only issue with product activation licences in general is the fact that depending how they are constructed ie eloquence, that you have to deactivate it on each major update, thats fine in reality however because there is a 6 month basically new os update it gets a bit well annoying there should be a way to assign a licence to your machine or in the case of win10 an account or something.

And it doesn't have to be like that.

For example windows manages to stay activated on each system update.

Mostly.

Then again maybe its not happened to me.

I have had on my cloud system I admin to reactivate the icloud and some other accounts whenever I update my bios for example but still everything stays up.

I also have issues where machines and licences have a 3 unit limit, in a bit of software I use for dvd extraction, you assign your machine to an id from an account online, if that changes you have to reassign that machine to the single id but at least you can do it yourself as many times as you need.

On 7/18/2018 6:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: nvda and app windows not closing

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Its not just that though, I've noticed even in windows 7, even if the app appears to be closed, a look at running applications and processes often will still show them in the list but using very little memory and no processor time. I have a theory that its to enable quicker starting the next time you call them.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing


Hi,

That’s because universal apps are not really “closed” when you press Alt+F4 – they are suspended, hence these windows will show up via object navigation.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda and app windows not closing



HI,

If I run some apps such as settings, alarms and clock, calculator, store, and so on, and then I close everything out with alt f4… If I use object nav on the desktop set to simple review, and I go up to the list view and go across, it still shows settings window, calculator window, store window, and so on. And I have to go into those objects and find the close buttons and hit capslock enter to close those windows. Why is it that even if I close out apps, some sort of windows stay open on the desktop? Are they notification windows? They can’t be notification windows, because I went into notifications and cleared them all out and away. So I have no notifications. So what are they and how do I keep or prevent them from appearing? I also have an object which is after the desktop list and it just says “window”. When I OCR it it shows some desktop items but not all. I wish we had an advanced object manager that let us reclass, relabel, and even hide various objects, and also do certain things when objects appear or disappear.



Josh





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

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Is this the one being dumped in September for this mobile like looking jobby?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8


Gene nz


On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).
I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?


Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.




I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.



Gene nz









On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,
So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype
What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?
Thanks,
Cristobal


Re: 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

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Yes for those who may be unaware of the issues one can get into without a
good bit of personal discipline, as a worker who is now unpaid with talents
charities want, I soon realised that the world soon starts to own your life
and no is a hard word to say, especially when you feel passionate about an
issue. I had to bow out of many committees and meetings and attempt to get
others to cover them. After all for whatever reason its in everybody's
interest to tackle these issues, and often its let the willing take the
load. Unfortunately in this case I am not best suited to this since I am to
programming what Donald Trump is to international understanding and trade,
but I would say that Joseph has probably put more into this project than
many people on here, so if you can help out, I would be grateful, as
although I seldom find I can listen and contribute to the con. I do often
download files and listen to them later on to get a feel for what others are
intending to do.
Joseph, nothing is worth compromising your health for, particularly as you
are still young. I am an old codger as we in the UK call us retired geeks,
but do enjoy the ability to keep using computers which I thought I'd lost
when my sight finally went.
Thanks again

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 6:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons


Hi all,



A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival.
However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to
possible toll on my health, I'd like to pass on the organization of this
event to other members of the NVDA community.



As much as I'd like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know
that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I'm taking
more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and
other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season,
I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the
school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other
activities. Also, as I'll be traveling to different schools for debates and
other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and
other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college
student.



Also, I'm desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think
about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last
few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I've seen as a member of this
community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International
2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my
time), making sure those who'll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing
experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis
(wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).



Thus, I believe I'm not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons
Festival at this time, thus I'd like to request that the community take this
on. I'd be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind
which I'd like to present in a keynote-style presentation).



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: possible eloquence solution

Tyler Wood
 

I despise modern voices for doing anything but light reading. Espeak is decent, but in my view the best two synths for fast reading remain Eloquence and doubletalk. If I want to get correct spellings I'll use a more modern voice. ...but then you get random pauses for no reason, mis pronouncing random words like bourbon and expanding acronyms that I don't want.


I can't win.

On 18-Jul-2018 1:52 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do  agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this?  You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money.  Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: possible eloquence solution

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Yes I'm sure you know that several attempts were made by nv access to have a licence system that was not too onerous, but no. I do think myself, that its rubbish but acknowledge a lot find it good. it obviously is a personal thing.
I to do agree that modern voices are unintelligible at fast, even moderate speeds.

I as you know made the variant Quincy for UK English espeak and am happy with it in the main if they would stop mucking about with words that sounded right before. However I do also feel that the speech player in Espeak project was very good and I'd like to see somebody take this up again to make it better for the US market. One has to realise at the moment though that the biggest growth area for nvda is the Indian Subcontinent, and maybe other languages than English.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution


Why should they do this? You’re effectively stopping Code Factory from making money. Just buy Eloquence and be done with it. Besides, Microsoft wouldn’t maintain it.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:11
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] possible eloquence solution



It seems like unless this problem is solved it will keep coming up. So I just went into feedback hub and I recommend all of you do the same. I wrote the following feedback to Microsoft.

Please purchase all rites to CodeFactory Nuance Eloquence TTS. Offer it as a free downloadable sapi5 and OneCore voice addons under ease of access in windows10. And on the Microsoft website as sapi5 for windows7 users. Also please maintain the android version so it keeps working and perhaps lower the price to $2 or $3. Nuance CodeFactory licenses are too restrictive. Adding Eloquence to microsoft’s voice portfolio would benefit those with hearing impairments. So if Microsoft owned it, whenever you buy a copy of windows or a new pc, you also pay for the rite to use eloquence on any pc you buy.and if you don’t want it, you just do not go into ease of access and download it. Nuance copyright is stuck back in the 80s and early 90s and has to change. If not, this issue will probably keep cropping up.





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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Which version are you using?


My computer which is running windows 10 has the windows 10 app on it also the latest skype 8 desk top app which i am writing a tutorial for. In the desk top version skype 8 it has the options there to accept them automatically under calling they just have to be checked.



Just to confuse you as well there is a web version which is very much like skype 8


Gene nz



On 7/18/2018 12:34 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

I guess that’s a solution, but that’s not exactly encouraging. You figure for such an essential command, there would be a hotkey for it that would work outside of the program itself. I mean it already existed in older versions (alt plus pg-up).

I’m going to have to try tomorrow with it on my laptop. I haven’t updated my main desktop where I do nearly all of my calls so we’ll see.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?

 

Hi If i remember right when the call comes in it lands on i think it is the accept button then press the enter key and start talking.

I am not sure if it was read out by nvda though.

 

 

I would have to get some one to give me a call to confirm again as i use voip alot now.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/18/2018 11:08 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So, I upgraded Skype for desktop on a laptop to try to get used to it before MS kills Skype classic in September. I came across some short cut keys from: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

What I’m not finding is the hotkey to answer an incoming call. I can’t believe that there isn’t one for such a  basic function, but it’s not listed in the table. Start a call, hang up, mute, that’s all fine, but nothing for answering a call. Am I missing something or is this really not included as a shortcut key?

Thanks,

Cristobal

 



IMPORTANT MILESTONE REACHED: wxPython 4 makes the cut to master/alpha snapshots and beyond, Project Heliopolis development phase is finished

 

Dear NVDA Community:

 

Please circulate the following notice throughout the community (including to translators, other users, add-on authors and beyond), as it’ll affect EVERYONE:

 

I’m delighted to announce that, as of July 18, 2018, wxPython 4 officially comes to NVDA! This means, going forward, wxPython 4 code will be in use throughout NVDA (alpha, future betas, future stable releases and so on). Note that unless really serious regressions occur, wxPython 4 will be here to stay.

 

Relevant pull request can be found at:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7104

 

Depending on who you are, please do one or more of the following:

 

For users and testers:

  1. If you wish to find out what wxPython 4 “feels” like, take a look at alpha snapshots.
  2. Please take note of advisories issued by add-on authors and others once a stable version with wxPython 4 ships.
  3. Please provide feedback if you find problems with wxPython 4 and NVDA.

 

For add-on authors and reviewers:

  1. If your add-on uses functions/classes/variables from wxPython, be sure to test your add-on and write code that is compatible with wxPython 4 (and/or wxPython 3.0.2.0).
  2. For Remote Support add-on: I’ll take my hotfix version down the day add-on authors release an official hotfix.
  3. For add-ons I am (or I’ll be) reviewing: I’ll start commenting on compatibility issues with wxPython 4 starting on September 1, 2018.

 

For third-party Core developers (outside of NV Access):

  1. If your pull request relies on materials from wxPython and/or GUI, I advise merging in latest master before working on them further in hopes of reducing conflicts.
  2. In case conflicts do arise after merging master, please resolve them before working on your pull request.

 

P.S. Some might be wondering what “Project Heliopolis” is:

 

According to various legends, a phoenix is a mythical bird that can live for hundreds of years and can be reborn from ashes of its former body when it burns. Other legends state that the young phoenix would fly to Heliopolis (Greek for “sun city”) where it’ll bury the ashes of its former self encased in an egg. This became the inspiration for wxPython Phoenix (version 4), which, according to its developer, is an effort to rewrite this GUI toolkit to make it better.

 

The Heliopolis project makes a nod to wxPython Phoenix by porting NVDA’s GUI subsystem and others to wxPython 4. This began in 2015 when I first ported NVDA to wxPython Phoenix code base with some difficulties. In 2016, I resurrected this project but met various difficulties while doing more work in summer of 2016.

 

Then in April 2017, wxPython 4 alpha hit the air, which gave me and others a chance to experiment with more stable version of the Phoenix code base. For the most part, prior work in 2015 and 2016 paid off, as NVDA ran almost flawlessly under wxPython 4. The big major problem was wx.Yield function, which was solved by defining a non-reentrant timer in GUI module in 2018. In March 2018, wxPython 4 made its debut in the NVDA community in the form of a series of what is now former next branch snapshots, and this opened up bugs with add-ons that were addressed in most cases.

 

With wxPython 4 merged (finally) into master, I can declare that we have achieved two milestones: moving onto wxPython Phoenix (thus accomplishing the original goal of Heliopolis project), and moving closer to the “big switch”: Python 3. For many of you, what you saw with wxPython 4 switch is (and will be) just a taste of what’s to come once the NVDA screen reader finally transitions to Python 3 (preferably 3.7). Also, on a personal note, I can finally sleep in peace (a bit more peacefully) after seeing the fruition of a project I’ve been championing since 2015.

 

I’d like to take this time to thank everyone who was involved with wxPython 4 transition: NV Access, Robin Dunn (wxPython developer), Leonard (Babbage) and many others.

 

Enjoy wxPython 4.

Cheers,

Joseph

P.S. By the way, we get the “six” module for free with this milestone.


Re: 2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

Mário Navarro
 




Joseph, dear friend.
take your time to what are your priorities.
I admire you for what you are, and for what you do for all of us.
I wish you good studies, happiness, and all what you need...

Thanks for everything dear friend.
long life to Joseph Lee.
cheers.


Às 06:30 de 18/07/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi all,

 

A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival. However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to possible toll on my health, I’d like to pass on the organization of this event to other members of the NVDA community.

 

As much as I’d like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I’m taking more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season, I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other activities. Also, as I’ll be traveling to different schools for debates and other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college student.

 

Also, I’m desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I’ve seen as a member of this community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International 2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my time), making sure those who’ll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis (wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).

 

Thus, I believe I’m not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival at this time, thus I’d like to request that the community take this on. I’d be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind which I’d like to present in a keynote-style presentation).

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph


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2018 NvDA Add-ons Festival: turning the reins to other community members due to personal, academics and health reasons

 

Hi all,

 

A few days ago I announced that I was planning 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival. However, because of upcoming academic schedule, personal reasons, and due to possible toll on my health, I’d like to pass on the organization of this event to other members of the NVDA community.

 

As much as I’d like to take on organizing this event to the end, I do know that this may have consequences for my health and academics. As I’m taking more advanced courses at college and start looking for graduate school and other endeavors, coupled with upcoming competitive speech and debate season, I do know that organizing an event that is scheduled for beginning of the school year is very risky for me in terms of early grades and other activities. Also, as I’ll be traveling to different schools for debates and other forensics activities, I know that keeping up with Add-ons Festival and other events may become a distraction to my ultimate duty as a college student.

 

Also, I’m desperately looking for a time where I can just relax and think about my future role in NVDA community and the project as a whole. The last few weeks have been some of the busiest weeks I’ve seen as a member of this community since June 2012, including helping out with NVDACon International 2018, chairing NVDACon Korea 2018 (hosting the main meeting at night my time), making sure those who’ll meet Windows 10 Redstone 5 have amazing experiences with NVDA, putting finishing touches to Project Heliopolis (wxPython 4 migration) and what not (more on Heliopolis in a second).

 

Thus, I believe I’m not in the best condition to organize 2018 NVDA Add-ons Festival at this time, thus I’d like to request that the community take this on. I’d be happy to join this event as a speaker (I have a topic in mind which I’d like to present in a keynote-style presentation).

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph