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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Well it could be security, support is one thing but security, opensource can be a touchy subject especially round secured things.
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The other thing, industry standards, jaws has been a standard accessibility thing for ages its probably why its continuing at all, people trust it, if its accessible with jaws then its accessible with everything. Sadly though, jaws, and maybe the other comercial readers are an old generation, all of their stuff was needed when things were not so easy. Now nvda, is built mostly using what is there and there is a entire lot of that. A lot of the older things relied on their own resources because windows until recently didn't previde all that much, and now it does. But all the resources and stuff, well once you are built up to rebuild takes more effort than to continue as you are.
On 7/19/2018 8:16 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".
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Re: Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply
Mike Sedmak
Any chance you have a filter active that would only show unread messages?
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On 7/18/18, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Hi all,
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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Same goal but with less steps which works in Windows 10 and probably 7 as well.
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Type windows key + r to open the run dialog box. Type "favorites" and hit enter. You will now be in the favorites folder for your user account.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Sent: July 18, 2018 4:20 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer What I do is to go to your C drive in Windows Explorer and enter on it. Go to the folder called Users, and enter on it. Go to the folder that bears the computer name. mine says Andy. Enter on that and go to the folder named Favorites. Enter on that and you will see a list of your IE favorites. Simply delete the ones you no longer want. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer Hello:
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Well if I was told I could have anything I wanted as long as it was from vfo depending on the limit, I think I would get it.
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Jaws, a braille display or 2, extras like that.
On 7/19/2018 8:11 AM, Andy wrote:
When I worked for the VA they had a sweetheart contract with VFO. You could have any AT you wanted as long as it came from VFO.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
More inaccurate disparagement. Check the
price of Kurzweil 1000. Check the price of any specialized, complex
program for any market with a small customer base compared with the price of
JAWS, Openbook, and other products.
Gene
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From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA I still use both, but if I hadn't been able to obtain a cheap JAWS license from my former employer, Canada's chief "blindness organisation", I wouldn't be using JFW at all. Freedom Scientific might trash and disparage as much as they like; in the end I think their model just isn't very practical. They depend on government and corporate grants/licenses because they know that most blind individuals can't pay their exorbitant prices. I recently looked into Open Book and that thing is something like four or five times the price of a high quality mainstream OCR package. Just unbelievable. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz Sent: July 18, 2018 12:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or merely exaggerating. This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze: > I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in > the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man > at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him > about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy > that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody > will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. > anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job > is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned! > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > > >
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Sky Mundell
What should GW had done instead of saying things about JAWS?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
We don't know who is responsible for these statements. I doubt Freedom Scientific is. They have a legal department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising did when they were competing.
I have never seen directly disparaging comments coming from whoever owned JAWS. Maybe it's time for people to realize that they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light.
Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors. Legal but reprehensible. But they don't go around making patently untrue statements about the products they are competing against.
I can't speak about independent vendors.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Mallard Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
They would deserve suing on the part of NV Access, although I realise
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
It's usually security concerns, I think. "open source" means the developers don't protect their code and thus it can be easily hacked.
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And yes, I am well aware of the obvious counter-argument to this. But unless you're already working for the company in a capacity that would cause them to listen to your advice, that's not going to make a lick of difference.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: July 18, 2018 4:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source". What is their reasoning behind this? Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior, or what? I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which makes them say they don't like it. Antony. On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote: Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8-- This sentence contains exacly three erors. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Questions About Internet Explorer
Andy
What I do is to go to your C drive in Windows Explorer and enter on it. Go to the folder called Users, and enter on it. Go to the folder that bears the computer name. mine says Andy. Enter on that and go to the folder named Favorites. Enter on that and you will see a list of your IE favorites. Simply delete the ones you no longer want.
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From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <kobisko@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:51 AM Subject: [nvda] Questions About Internet Explorer Hello:
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Re: Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Mark <mark@...>
Hi can anyone tell me how to Read old messages from the same person Using skype 8 for desktop Mark.
Tune in to the number one station on the web TAFN radio
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:06 To: Nvda List Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype 8 for desktop answering incoming call?
Feel free to subscribe to the skype english list where the owner of some scripts and add ons lives, or rather is subscribed. Lol!
Go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and subscribe there.
As for your not being able to answer a call tab to the answer button and whack it. I’ve ben doing this for years now rather than rely on keystrokes. I personally at least as far as skype hate them. I feel I can know the interface a lot better by tabbing rather than key strokes which might not work, or they might depending on the day I’m having.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Antony Stone
You say you talk to employers who "don't like open source".
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What is their reasoning behind this? Do they think they get no support, do they believe the software is inferior, or what? I'm interested to know what they think they know about "open source" which makes them say they don't like it. Antony.
On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 18:03:23, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 --
This sentence contains exacly three erors. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
We don't know who is responsible for these
statements. I doubt Freedom Scientific is. They have a legal
department and, sorry all you Window-eyes fans, Window-eyes advertising that
came from the company itself, did more disparaging of JAWS than JAWS advertising
did when they were competing.
I have never seen directly disparaging comments
coming from whoever owned JAWS. Maybe it's time for people to realize that
they despise JAWS and ask if that makes them too eager to believe anything they
see anywhere that puts JAWS in a bad light.
Those who owned JAWS did certain bad things, such
as filing frivilous lawsuits against competitors. Legal but
reprehensible. But they don't go around making patently untrue statements
about the products they are competing against.
I can't speak about independent
vendors.
Gene
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From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA that will never happeen... People would sell their mother rather than give up some profit... Che schifo! As we say here in Italy... Il 18/07/2018 18:21, mikolaj holysz ha scritto: > Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor > of JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie > leaving NV Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago > and about all the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even > heart accounts of people who were told by altix representatives that > NVDA is dangerous to their computers and that it might fry their > motherboards, though I don't know if those who retold the story were > speaking the truth or merely exaggerating. > > This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS. > > W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze: >> I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in >> the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man >> at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him >> about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy >> that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody >> will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. >> anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job >> is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never >> even got mentioned! >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal E-mail to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> >> >> > > > > >
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Outlook Emails disappearing after writing a reply
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi all,
Lately, I am mystified as to where emails disappear to after I reply to them. I have just written a reply to an email which I received a few minutes ago. When I completed the reply Ans sent the message off, I found that the original email has disappeared. If it were deleted I would expect to find it in my Deleted Items folder but it is not there!
Is this an NVDA problem or an Outlook problem?
I am using Outlook 365 with Windows 10 Microsoft Windows Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.165) NVDA Version: 2018.2.1
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Andy
When I worked for the VA they had a sweetheart contract with VFO. You could have any AT you wanted as long as it came from VFO.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA Oh come on. I’ve not ben using freedom rash tiva's products now for 8 years and I’m quite happy with it. I do talk to employers though and they say I either use jaws or nothing at all, they don’t want to install nvda on their systems. I explain what it is, and even my services here don’t want to deal with nvda even though i’ve brought it up. They don’t like open source. I wish that people would quit using freedom trash tiva’s stuff and switch to nvda, it is over all the best experience and getting better on a daily basis. On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Well nvda is not jaws, the only reason jaws is better than nvda is its older than us and thats just about it.
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But I think we will get there. We have a scripting language which is a standard language that people use, we use standard libraries and formats, there is no custom company proprietry code anywhere. Saying that, nvda was built for the cloud and web systems a lot of the newer apps handle well with it. Universal we are not there just yet but we are damn close now to that. Jaws is older, we don't have what jaws has right now so jaws is still better than nvda but we will catch up, and quickly.
On 7/19/2018 8:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is not true. There are many cases where JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to develop an NVDA script.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Gene
That is not true. There are many cases where
JAWS is superior for business uses and where the user can define things that may
mean the difference between immediate productivity or waiting for someone to
develop an NVDA script.
You can't create frames in NVDA. That is
essential for a product that would be represented as on a par with JAWS for
business and academic and other specialized uses.
You can't redefine structures such as something
that presents itself as a list and you want it represented as something else to
get proper functionality.
You don't have the control over how much is spoken
automatically as you do with JAWS. That is, there is no screen echo setting as
there is in JAWS. At times, such a setting is very valuable.
I helped a woman who was using a VPN for medical
transcribing from home. I defined frames that read specific things, such
as only the relevant lines of screens and only when needed such as announcing
very specific text on the log in screens. I don't remember if I had the
frames do anything else such as move the cursor to the proper
fields.
This kind of bashing is inaccurate and is
ideological. Many of the features people use daily and love in NVDA were
either developed in JAWS or refined there. Don't disparage the sholders of
those who developed screen-readers and made invaluable contribution to their
general design that NVDA stands on.
None of which is to say that NVDA isn't a powerful
screen-reader. It is. But there are certain uses where JAWS is still
superior and that superiority may mean the difference between employment or not
in some settings.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:03 AM
To: Nvda List
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about
NVDA > On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: > > I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about NVDA Though not actually trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned! > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > > >
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Hi. Just herd part of the audio you posted and thank you BTW. Of course Eric Damery is going to tow the VFO line. I don’t see Narrator disrupting what NV Access has done so well since 2006. I’m a very happy NVDA user. I’ve been using it since 2011 full time. It has gotten better and better in the past 3 years since MS brought WIN 10 into the picture. I think NVDA will be around for years to come and VFO Group will still push for the stupid screwed up pricing model which is totally uncalled for for those of us who live with fixed incomes here in the US and the poor who are blind worldwide. Viva la NVDA as I always say.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Chris Chaffin <chaffin102468@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:20:37 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA Joseph,
You can find the podcast episode on this page:
Hope this helps,
Chris
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Gene
It may be a change in Word, it may not. It
may be a change in the keyboard language input in Windows. Whatever the
case, the change almost certainly resulted in accidentally pressing a short cut
command and the question is, what shortcut command changes the language language
in Windows and what command changes the language Word is using.
It can be easily determined if the change is in the
keyboard input for Windows setting or the Word language. Open
Notepad. Press shift 3. What do you hear? If you hear what you
expect to hear, the change is in Word. If you still hear the wrong thing,
the change is in Windows.
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign have system restore on and be able to go back to a couple of days ago, or is it off in 10 by default. Even then, I'm not sure it has any effect on the installed keyboard language. i have had issues in the past with word deciding to use American english templates for documents for no good reason which really fouls up the spell checker big time! Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign > It sounds like your computer has switched from thinking it has a UK > keyboard > layout (which has a pound sign on shift-3) to a US layout (which has a > hash > symbol on shift-3, and is often read as "number"). > > To confirm this, what do you get by pressing shift-2? > > A UK layout will give you double quote marks; a US layout will give you an > "at" sign. > > > Antony. > > On Wednesday 18 July 2018 at 16:18:29, Sakina wrote: > >> Dear Gene and friends, >> Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people >> app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it >> out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy >> doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to >> field. >> Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always >> used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now when I >> press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number. >> I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I >> am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will >> greatly appreciate any help. >> Always thanking you all >> Sakina > > -- > If you were ploughing a field, which would you rather use - two strong > oxen or > 1024 chickens? > > - Seymour Cray, pioneer of supercomputing > > Please reply to the > list; > please *don't* CC > me. > > >
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Re: Lost the pound sign
Gene
Don't try that combination unless you know what it
does. It may be a short cut command that changes a setting in Word you
won't know about until you print a document and it isn't formatted
correctly. Don't use alt anything combinations unless you know what they
do.
There are some combinations that are so standard
that you can assume that they do this or something similar. Alt f usually
opens the file menu. That is safe to try. But trying combinations
that are not standardized and you have no idea what they do, if anything, is a
bad idea. And it definitely won't do what you want since combinations like
that are commands, if they do anything.
It is possible you changed the language your
computer keyboard input is set to. There is a short cut for that
purpose. You may have pressed the short cut command without knowing
it. Someone will probably tell you the command if you don't know it.
You can try it and see what happens. I don't know it, I just know there is
one. I also believe that you will hear the language announced that you
have switched to and that you can keep pressing it until you get to the language
you want. I don't know this, but based on comments earlier in the thread,
it will probably say Brittish English or something similar when you get to the
one you want.
Gene
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From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lost the pound sign Give alt-shift a try…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Sakina
Friend, For 7 years I have been using the same keyboard. It I am sure is not US keyboard. Since last night, it always did the proper action. When I just want letter 3 it gave and still gives letter 3 And used to with shift key give me # pound sign But now when I need pound sign instead it says number. Sakina Letter 3 by itself.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Chris via
Groups.Io
That’s odd, mine says pound sign as it should I guess you are using US keyboard layout rather than the UK keyboard
From: Ian Blackburn
When the computer says the word number in that situation it means the pound sign
Dear Gene and friends, Thank you for your help regarding adding new email address in my people app. I am sorry for I am not too clever and am still trying to figure it out. Sadly, I do not have many addresses and therefore would be happy doing it manually. For now I am cutting and pasting the address in the to field. Now today please I have lost my pound sign in my word document. I always used to press shift key and press number 3 for the pound sign. Now when I press shift key and number 3 it keeps saying number. I do not know what I must have pressed accidently on the key board as I am one hundred % user of keyboard and do not know what to do. I will greatly appreciate any help. Always thanking you all Sakina
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Devin Prater
The only thing JAWS has going for it now is Braille support, and now with the Braille extender addon, even that is being challenged seriously.
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Devin Prater Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind JAWS certified
On Jul 18, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA
Sky Mundell
Hi Eric. So how many years would the guy have? The guy has been there since 1993. I agree with you 100 percent.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
I listened to the interview. I don't think the comments were too bad. I don't agree with him at all. There's no comparison between voiceover and narrator for example. It seems extreme to say that apple is merely "checking a box". I also don't agree with his assessment of apple updates vs jaws updates. Some things get fixed quickly. Others do not. That's development. Jaws is the same way. I don't agree that most people who have NVDA also have jaws. That may be all well and good for gene, but most recognize that a one screen reader approach, while not covering absolutely every eventuality known to man, provides huge benefits in learning curve, performance, and in the case of NVDA, cost. Even if some nvda users do also have a jaws on their machine, it is most likely a demonstration version. Anyhow, he's wrong, but we all know it, and he's entitled to his opinion and we all know that too. Eventually all the exclusivity agreements in the world won't save VFO no matter how many companies they gobble up. Let him do his thing. He's only got a few more years left tops. Best, Erik On July 18, 2018 1:21:36 PM "Chris Chaffin" <chaffin102468@...> wrote:
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