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Re: Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

Andy
 


I wonder if this is the phone that the kapsys phone is based on. It is an Android phone running either Kitkat or Lollypop and has a touch screen on the top section and keys on the lower section.  Kapsys has superimposed their own skin and a suite of specialized talking apps. They're selling it for around $500 with a GPS system added on for another $300. This is the French company that marketed a handheld GPS navigation device called the Kapten.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

This seems to me to be worthy of a spin-off topic of its own.

If you're not looking for a phone where you want a full keypad for texting, but would like a dial pad for calling, and want an Android device all rolled into one there's the Freetel Musashi FTJ161A
which is hugely expensive, but one of a kind as far as I know since it can act as a full smartphone with touch screen on the top half and still has a standard dial pad on the bottom half.  (For more on this device see:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Freetel+Musashi+flip+phone)  Freetel tried to enter the US market in 2016/2017 but pretty much failed in that attempt.  Their what-was-then-flagship standard smartphone, the Samurai Kiwami, can now be had for under $100, and it works fine on T-Mobile's GSM network and should do the same for Verizon.  It is, however, still an Android Lollipop (5.1) device out of the box and since Freetel has left the US market ongoing support cannot be expected.

This web search returns many options for currently available smartphones with keyboards, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Smartphone+with+keyboard, and this one for smartphones with keyboards and touchscreens, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=smartphone+with+keyboard+and+touch+screen.
There is, of course, a huge amount of overlap between those two lists.
--

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Re: bookmarks in firefox

Gene
 

How are you getting to bookmarks?  There are different ways.  Whether you can delete them may depend on how you get to them.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] bookmarks in firefox

Hi all,

 

I’m using a fairly current version of firefox and nvda in win 7.

I can accesss and go to bookmarks;  how do I delete bookmarks?

I thought using the context key or the delete key while on a mookmark in the list would do it, no go.   Nothing havens when I use the context key or the delete key.

Suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Monte


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Hmmm so anyone can join home use?

On 7/20/2018 2:21 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
and if you really need jaws and if you are a home user, you can call VFO and say the following: "hello, I would like to purchase jaws for $120 United States dollars  through the jaws for home use program." By calling and asking for the special low pricing I was able to buy a full copy of jaws for $120 plus an SMA for another $120. I figure its good to have more than one screen reader just in case NVDA can't read something, I could shut it off, load up jaws and see if it works better in certain situations.



Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Not necessarily, I guess it could, I sometimes access sites others do not.

On 7/20/2018 2:00 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the sighted user should experience ist as well?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


Had this with waterfox today.

Reboot your router then your computer.

Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run till you cycle power.




On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
Hi,

I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.

Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
message there was a problem loading page.

If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
problem.

This happens with any web site I try.

If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Stephen






.


Re: bookmarks in firefox

Monte Single
 

Great info!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Sent: July-19-18 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookmarks in firefox

Use control+shift+b to open a window showing your bookmarks. From here you can use the context menu when a bookmark is selected to delete the bookmark.

You can get to the same place by using alt+b to open the bookmarks menu and then select the first item "show all bookmarks"

On 7/19/18, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi all,



I'm using a fairly current version of firefox and nvda in win 7.

I can accesss and go to bookmarks; how do I delete bookmarks?

I thought using the context key or the delete key while on a mookmark
in the
list would do it, no go. Nothing havens when I use the context key or the
delete key.

Suggestions?



Thanks,

Monte





Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Adriani Botez
 

And as far as contracting is concerned, we will not have access to professional programers like freedom scientific because many companies do not know how to manage open-source projects. Many people think that they cannot earn anything with open-source projects.

 

Something has to change in the way of thinking to get to the point where every assistive technology company provides professional support for NVDA.

 

In any case, if programers want to get paid for their add-ons, than we need an add-on store for NVDA where developers can place paid add-ons. Maybe NV Access thinks about it.

 

Yannick Plassyard from France has developed such a store.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Adriani Botez
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2018 20:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Dear all,

 

the certification from NV Access is a very good opportunity to learn NVDA and become an expert to provide support. However, for developing add-ons a separate certification would be necessary.

NV Access has a list of contributors, in the NVDA menu / help / contributors. But a list of scripter / programers needs to be updated which is not very simple.

 

I think the solution is to organize kind of boot camps in your local region / local country where programers can learn how to use github, how to read NVDA’s internals and NVDA’s code ans so on.

We have  lots of tutorials in inglish on how to do it. But the most tutorials are not popular because they are only on github. We need a separate platform only for NVDA Wikis, where people are not distracted by the huge amount of other functions. This wiki platform should show a clear line where to start and how to proceed after developing an add-on to make it available for everyone.

On this platform, there should be two sections, core development and add-on development. A third section should be dedicated to translations, both from a translator and from a developer perspective.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2018 20:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

At the moment the closest to that would be:

https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Some folks listed on that site are add-on authors, while others are technology trainers. I think what may help might be a way to let certified experts specify list of services they provide, such as training and add-on development.

 

Another idea that I’ve been thinking is to offer a chance for beginning developers or those interested in writing NVDA add-ons and/or interested in code contributions to receive mentoring from experienced developers. The overall purpose of this is to let beginners ask questions about development to those who know what they are doing, as well as to pass on our knowledge to the next group of NVDA add-on authors and code contributors. When I pitched this idea to members of the devlearning subgroup a few days ago, at least two people said “yes”, which confirmed what I’ve been suspecting for a while: it is time to pass on our knowledge, and how important it is to let others contribute needed code for things such as supporting professional and enterprise applications and such. Also, mentoring the next group of developers has been something I’ve been meaning to do for a while, and I want to see this happen before I move on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies would have a resource to contact for such things.

I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state agencies without knowing how things work for such things.

Granted, some staff who don’t use screenreaders can’t possibly remember all the solutions, although they should, they don’t, so they think only of the one solution that is most common.

But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

 

Glenn

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


issues with latest version of nvda

 

Hello. I'm running latest version of the alpha version. I'm having serious issues with NVDA. This is the dialog title, "nvdaHelperRemote (outprocMgrThreadFunc)". I have a dialog box that pops up saying "error registering focus with event hook". There is an okay button there. Firefox doesn't work, neither does Waterfox. I have this stuff from NVDA.OLD log file.


DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:16.858):
Terminating treeInterceptorHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:16.858):
Terminating IAccessible support
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:16.858):
Terminating UIA support
DEBUGWARNING - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.terminate (12:16:17.078):
Timeout or error while waiting for UIAHandler MTA thread
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.078):
Terminating winConsole support
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.079):
Terminating Java Access Bridge support
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.079):
Terminating app module handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.081):
Terminating NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.086):
Terminating touchHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.086):
Terminating keyboard handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.086):
Terminating mouseHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.086):
Terminating inputCore
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.088):
Terminating brailleInput
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.088):
Terminating braille
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.098):
Terminating speech
DEBUG - core._terminate (12:16:17.098):
Terminating addonHandler
DEBUG - core.main (12:16:18.164):
core done
INFO - __main__ (12:16:18.198):
NVDA exit
Any help with this one is much appreciated.


Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

the certification from NV Access is a very good opportunity to learn NVDA and become an expert to provide support. However, for developing add-ons a separate certification would be necessary.

NV Access has a list of contributors, in the NVDA menu / help / contributors. But a list of scripter / programers needs to be updated which is not very simple.

 

I think the solution is to organize kind of boot camps in your local region / local country where programers can learn how to use github, how to read NVDA’s internals and NVDA’s code ans so on.

We have  lots of tutorials in inglish on how to do it. But the most tutorials are not popular because they are only on github. We need a separate platform only for NVDA Wikis, where people are not distracted by the huge amount of other functions. This wiki platform should show a clear line where to start and how to proceed after developing an add-on to make it available for everyone.

On this platform, there should be two sections, core development and add-on development. A third section should be dedicated to translations, both from a translator and from a developer perspective.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2018 20:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

At the moment the closest to that would be:

https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Some folks listed on that site are add-on authors, while others are technology trainers. I think what may help might be a way to let certified experts specify list of services they provide, such as training and add-on development.

 

Another idea that I’ve been thinking is to offer a chance for beginning developers or those interested in writing NVDA add-ons and/or interested in code contributions to receive mentoring from experienced developers. The overall purpose of this is to let beginners ask questions about development to those who know what they are doing, as well as to pass on our knowledge to the next group of NVDA add-on authors and code contributors. When I pitched this idea to members of the devlearning subgroup a few days ago, at least two people said “yes”, which confirmed what I’ve been suspecting for a while: it is time to pass on our knowledge, and how important it is to let others contribute needed code for things such as supporting professional and enterprise applications and such. Also, mentoring the next group of developers has been something I’ve been meaning to do for a while, and I want to see this happen before I move on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies would have a resource to contact for such things.

I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state agencies without knowing how things work for such things.

Granted, some staff who don’t use screenreaders can’t possibly remember all the solutions, although they should, they don’t, so they think only of the one solution that is most common.

But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

 

Glenn

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

Something might be crashing Edge – I cannot share the log file here because it is a debug log that may contain private information. NV Access was notified of this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

If browse mode is off and the same behavior continues, that raises the serious possibility that it is something other than browse mode.  We'll see if the log gives any information.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Gene, thank you for your comments, I have sent Joseph the debug log as he requested.

In regards to your suggestions it does not matter if browse mode is on or off it still happens, eventually when I get a page to load sometimes the page will automatically refresh itself.

Unfortunately I do not have Jaws installed and I am not familiar with it. I have only ever used NVDA since loosing my sight 2 years ago.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 17:43, Gene wrote:

My message responded to what you said.  The browse mode buffer is used in NVDA's browse mode and isn't active when NVDA isn't being used.  I don't know what Narrator uses when browsing but Narrator is specifically tested with Edge by Microsoft.  You didn't say you tested with anything else that uses the equivalent of Browse mode such as JAWS to see if the problem occurs.  For now, we don't know if this is an NVDA problem or the way Edge interacts on your machine with any screen-reader we know uses Browse Mode or equivalent.  I don't even know if Browse Mode interaction is the problem.  But it would be useful to test with another screen-reader like JAWS and see if you have the same problem.

 

It would also be worth doing, and this would be the first thing to do. to finally get a web page to load, then when it finally does, turn browse mode off with NVDA key space.  When it's off, try loading pages.  Do they load properly when NVDA is running and browse Mode is off?  That would tell us if this is a Browse Mode problem or an NVDA problam caused by something else.

 

I don't know if the NVDA log might have any useful information but I don't know enough about the NVDA log to discuss that further.  But ruling in or out Browse Mode would be useful and important. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


 

 


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Gene
 

If browse mode is off and the same behavior continues, that raises the serious possibility that it is something other than browse mode.  We'll see if the log gives any information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

Hi Gene, thank you for your comments, I have sent Joseph the debug log as he requested.

In regards to your suggestions it does not matter if browse mode is on or off it still happens, eventually when I get a page to load sometimes the page will automatically refresh itself.

Unfortunately I do not have Jaws installed and I am not familiar with it. I have only ever used NVDA since loosing my sight 2 years ago.


Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 17:43, Gene wrote:
My message responded to what you said.  The browse mode buffer is used in NVDA's browse mode and isn't active when NVDA isn't being used.  I don't know what Narrator uses when browsing but Narrator is specifically tested with Edge by Microsoft.  You didn't say you tested with anything else that uses the equivalent of Browse mode such as JAWS to see if the problem occurs.  For now, we don't know if this is an NVDA problem or the way Edge interacts on your machine with any screen-reader we know uses Browse Mode or equivalent.  I don't even know if Browse Mode interaction is the problem.  But it would be useful to test with another screen-reader like JAWS and see if you have the same problem.
 
It would also be worth doing, and this would be the first thing to do. to finally get a web page to load, then when it finally does, turn browse mode off with NVDA key space.  When it's off, try loading pages.  Do they load properly when NVDA is running and browse Mode is off?  That would tell us if this is a Browse Mode problem or an NVDA problam caused by something else.
 
I don't know if the NVDA log might have any useful information but I don't know enough about the NVDA log to discuss that further.  But ruling in or out Browse Mode would be useful and important. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:
I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 
 
It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Re: bookmarks in firefox

Mike Sedmak
 

Use control+shift+b to open a window showing your bookmarks. From
here you can use the context menu when a bookmark is selected to
delete the bookmark.

You can get to the same place by using alt+b to open the bookmarks
menu and then select the first item "show all bookmarks"

On 7/19/18, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi all,



I'm using a fairly current version of firefox and nvda in win 7.

I can accesss and go to bookmarks; how do I delete bookmarks?

I thought using the context key or the delete key while on a mookmark in
the
list would do it, no go. Nothing havens when I use the context key or the
delete key.

Suggestions?



Thanks,

Monte





bookmarks in firefox

Monte Single
 

Hi all,

 

I’m using a fairly current version of firefox and nvda in win 7.

I can accesss and go to bookmarks;  how do I delete bookmarks?

I thought using the context key or the delete key while on a mookmark in the list would do it, no go.   Nothing havens when I use the context key or the delete key.

Suggestions?

 

Thanks,

Monte


Re: Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

At the moment the closest to that would be:

https://certification.nvaccess.org

 

Some folks listed on that site are add-on authors, while others are technology trainers. I think what may help might be a way to let certified experts specify list of services they provide, such as training and add-on development.

 

Another idea that I’ve been thinking is to offer a chance for beginning developers or those interested in writing NVDA add-ons and/or interested in code contributions to receive mentoring from experienced developers. The overall purpose of this is to let beginners ask questions about development to those who know what they are doing, as well as to pass on our knowledge to the next group of NVDA add-on authors and code contributors. When I pitched this idea to members of the devlearning subgroup a few days ago, at least two people said “yes”, which confirmed what I’ve been suspecting for a while: it is time to pass on our knowledge, and how important it is to let others contribute needed code for things such as supporting professional and enterprise applications and such. Also, mentoring the next group of developers has been something I’ve been meaning to do for a while, and I want to see this happen before I move on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Yes, I think it would be useful for the NvAccess site to have a list of available scripters and their locations, and then state agencies would have a resource to contact for such things.

I work for a state agency, and I hate it when people bash state agencies without knowing how things work for such things.

Granted, some staff who don’t use screenreaders can’t possibly remember all the solutions, although they should, they don’t, so they think only of the one solution that is most common.

But I have brought up the topic of NVDA as a solution in the workplace, and then the issue of scripting comes up.

 

Glenn

 

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:50 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Add-on development: contracts, Python and such

 

Hi,

I’m starting a brand new thread that should provide a space to talk about add-on development, including contract work, Python and such.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: possible eloquence solution

Sarah k Alawami
 

Ype I found that to be the case. I’m not always near my phone or machien to do that though, but yeah that’s good to know for us newbies and eloquence on list(s))

On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

If you stop and resume reading the normal level will be resumed and start going down again.  But you may be through the passage causing the problem before you would stop speech again because of the tone.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 




Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi,

The log doesn’t tell me that much, although I think something is crashing Edge. I cannot reproduce this on build 17134 with NVDA 2018.2 and alpha builds. I have forwarded his log to NV Access to see if folks over there can help him.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Costigan
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi Gene, thank you for your comments, I have sent Joseph the debug log as he requested.

In regards to your suggestions it does not matter if browse mode is on or off it still happens, eventually when I get a page to load sometimes the page will automatically refresh itself.

Unfortunately I do not have Jaws installed and I am not familiar with it. I have only ever used NVDA since loosing my sight 2 years ago.

 

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 17:43, Gene wrote:

My message responded to what you said.  The browse mode buffer is used in NVDA's browse mode and isn't active when NVDA isn't being used.  I don't know what Narrator uses when browsing but Narrator is specifically tested with Edge by Microsoft.  You didn't say you tested with anything else that uses the equivalent of Browse mode such as JAWS to see if the problem occurs.  For now, we don't know if this is an NVDA problem or the way Edge interacts on your machine with any screen-reader we know uses Browse Mode or equivalent.  I don't even know if Browse Mode interaction is the problem.  But it would be useful to test with another screen-reader like JAWS and see if you have the same problem.

 

It would also be worth doing, and this would be the first thing to do. to finally get a web page to load, then when it finally does, turn browse mode off with NVDA key space.  When it's off, try loading pages.  Do they load properly when NVDA is running and browse Mode is off?  That would tell us if this is a Browse Mode problem or an NVDA problam caused by something else.

 

I don't know if the NVDA log might have any useful information but I don't know enough about the NVDA log to discuss that further.  But ruling in or out Browse Mode would be useful and important. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen

 

On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:

I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 

 

It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

 

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


 

 


Re: Help Edge keeps refreshing

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi Gene, thank you for your comments, I have sent Joseph the debug log as he requested.

In regards to your suggestions it does not matter if browse mode is on or off it still happens, eventually when I get a page to load sometimes the page will automatically refresh itself.

Unfortunately I do not have Jaws installed and I am not familiar with it. I have only ever used NVDA since loosing my sight 2 years ago.


Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 17:43, Gene wrote:
My message responded to what you said.  The browse mode buffer is used in NVDA's browse mode and isn't active when NVDA isn't being used.  I don't know what Narrator uses when browsing but Narrator is specifically tested with Edge by Microsoft.  You didn't say you tested with anything else that uses the equivalent of Browse mode such as JAWS to see if the problem occurs.  For now, we don't know if this is an NVDA problem or the way Edge interacts on your machine with any screen-reader we know uses Browse Mode or equivalent.  I don't even know if Browse Mode interaction is the problem.  But it would be useful to test with another screen-reader like JAWS and see if you have the same problem.
 
It would also be worth doing, and this would be the first thing to do. to finally get a web page to load, then when it finally does, turn browse mode off with NVDA key space.  When it's off, try loading pages.  Do they load properly when NVDA is running and browse Mode is off?  That would tell us if this is a Browse Mode problem or an NVDA problam caused by something else.
 
I don't know if the NVDA log might have any useful information but I don't know enough about the NVDA log to discuss that further.  But ruling in or out Browse Mode would be useful and important. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

Hi All,

Thank you all for the responses, but as I said in my original message this only happens in edge and does not happen when NVDA is turned off or when I use Narrator. Could it possibly be a setting?

I also do not have this issue using any other browser as I have checked it out.

Regards

Stephen


On 19/07/2018 15:35, Gene wrote:
I don't know what the interaction is, but it sounds as though something in browse mode is preventing the text from being properly loaded in the browse mode buffer.  Something about this may be making the page repeatedly refresh and never finish loading properly in the browse mode buffer.  that is speculation.  How you trace the problem is something I don't have the technical knowledge to know. 
 
It can't be the router.  The router directs the Internet data to your computer.  It has nothing to do with data once it enters the computer.  the original message says that the problem doesn't occur when NVDA isn't being used.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing

I don't see how a router could cause this. If it was the router, surely the
sighted user should experience ist as well?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Edge keeps refreshing


> Had this with waterfox today.
>
> Reboot your router then your computer.
>
> Sadly broadband units don't screw themselves all the way, but if a little
> screwed up especially isp units they crash partially and things don't run
> till you cycle power.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 9:40 PM, Stephen Costigan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need some help, I am using all the latest updates and running Win 10.
>>
>> Every time I use edge it keeps refreshing and a lot of the times I get a
>> message there was a problem loading page.
>>
>> If I turn off NVDA this does not happen as I got my sighted wife to
>> check this for me. I have even tried it with Narrator and there was no
>> problem.
>>
>> This happens with any web site I try.
>>
>> If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>






Can not thank you all enough

Sakina
 

Dear all,

I can not thank you all enough for helping me out. I truly appreciate everyone’s time and trouble.

My £ sign has come back.

I tried what Chris suggested to press window key and space bar.

It has worked and I thank you all again.

Now I must learn my contacts and people app.

Thank you always Sakina

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

Morne van der Merwe
 

Thanks for the advice.  I sorted out my bookmarks.

 

Regards

Morne

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 July 2018 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Firefox - maybe use Edge instead?

 

With regard to Firefox, you can use Bookmarks Manager (CTRL+SHIFT+B) to manipulate your existing bookmarks into whatever folder structure you'd like.  It behaves not unlike File Explorer in that you can cut and paste, create new folders, etc., for your bookmarks.   I cannot say how your current folder structure is arranged but it sounds like your old bookmarks are in a subfolder and your new ones at the top level (or perhaps vice versa).

With regard to using Edge, in Settings, there is a section named Import favorites and other info with the button Import from another browser.  If you activate it you will find you can import directly without having to export from the other browser or you can choose to go the old school method of exporting to an HTML file and importing from that file.
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Re: possible eloquence solution

Gene
 

If you stop and resume reading the normal level will be resumed and start going down again.  But you may be through the passage causing the problem before you would stop speech again because of the tone.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution

I’ve heard that. It can be quite amusing , until you listen to it get lower and lower. I’ve herd it get so low all you hear isa click, then it gets very annoying fast.

On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@...> wrote:

Why haven’t they continued to develope eloquence. My problem is that when there is a long string of text without any punctuation, the voice goes lower and lower in pitch.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 July 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
And what is meant by Elocrash?  You seem to have a Trumpian desire to give anything you don't like a disparaging name and the names I've seen so far are not accurate in terms of the product.  Take Elocrash, for example.  The only general crashing problem I've heard of is caused by certain strings of text.  In the roughly twenty years I've been on lists like Blindtech, I haven't once heard that Eloquence is prone to crashing except under those conditions.  Every program has bugs.  It doesn't crash unless deliberately nonstandard combinations of letters are used not found in English and the product hasn't been updated for years, perhaps for more than fifteen years.  The product continues to be the best for fast speech accuracy combined with low use of resources, which makes it very responsive, good pausing and pausing at the right places, as opposed to so many of the synthesizers people love to say ar so human, in short, a good product remains a good product indefinitely if it is not just good for its time, but objectively good when measured against what is objectively good in whatever it is trying to do.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
If you called it Elocrash, I’m not surprised they don’t want you.  What’s the point in having beta testers who don’t like the product from the word go?
 
All the best

STeve
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 18 July 2018 17:10
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible eloquence solution
 
I also disagree with that system. Has anyoen contacted themand voiced their experiences and if so what was the response. I think it might have ben something nlike”we don’t care.” not surprising. I tried to sign up for the beta for elocrash on android and they said that they have internal testing and don’t want or need beta testers at this time.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
 
Oh my that would be excellent! I would just love it, if eloquence and my copy of jaws were tied into my microsoft account or my windows account! then I could update windows without fear of losing anything! The cost of sapi5 eloquence is not really bad. because $70 for 10 languages comes out to around $7 per language. Not bad. It's the stupid licensing system that has to catch up to the 21st century. that is the major issue i do not like about how eloquence and other nuance products are registered. I did purchase sapi5 eloquence. i just disagree with their activation methods.  
 



Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Eleni Vamvakari
 

After the API stoped working, there was a patch which solved that
problem, and it worked for a long time. Unfortunately, it no longer
does. Anyway, I didn't realise that Motorola made phones with
keyboards. Are thse qwerty or just regular keypads as on a normal
phone? I have a Kyocera Rally with real buttons, but it's just alike
a phone, so I strictly use it to make and to receive calls, and to
check the menus for missed calls and so on. I know that the
Blackberry has some kind of touch-activated keyboard, where merely
sliding your finger on the keys activates certain things. I'm not
sure if that feature can be disabled. It also lacks the most basic
ability of moving by line or sentence with the arrow keys. Instead,
you must use the touchscreen to perform that function. At least,
these things were true when I read about them last year. They may
have changed by now.

On 19/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov> wrote:
Also, there are a couple devices that are like a case for your phone with a
spin dial and the like so one does not have to use gestures.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K.
Lingard
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Dear Eleni & List:

You do not have to use a touch screen to have a smart Phone.

Motorola makes smart phones with an actual keypad and so does Blackberry.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Eleni Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1
-

It does not matter to me if something is popular, as long as it is
accessible.
Those who truly wish to talk to me have already said that they would
use What works for me? I am not going to use something that works
horribly to please everyone else. I do not need stereo recording, as
long as the sound is Clear. I usually avoid echo cancellation and
noise suppression, as I prefer Omnidirectional microphones which
capture everything, a and which have a Good, full sound. I am used to
everything from records to mp3 at no more Than 128 kbps and sometimes
less, so I do not need the highest sound quality.
But I know that I have to use a feature on Team talk to prevent it
from being Extremely loud or distorting sound. How accessible is Google?
I, too, would be interested in trying WhatsApp, but I don't know how
well the Web version works with NVDA. I tried Messenger but although
I got it to Work, I was not pleased with the interface.

I, too, enjoy felt transferring. I hate dealing with Windows Explorer
in Windows 7, but in XP, it works wonderfully. I wish this one
feature existed in NVDA Remote, but I know it was not designed for
that purpose. I think Team talk supports file transfer.

What is the difference between Team Talk and Team Speak?

I don't own or want a smart phone, as I hate touchscreens, but I do
use a Hotspot with my computers at times. Still, I would not use it
for talking, as it uses many data.

On 16/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol.

I remember 3.8 had 8 k audio all the time. It has been forever since
quality has gone that low on skype for me *since* Microsoft bought it.

Go mobile, even on relatively good LTE, and team talk audio is so
bad you cannot use it. It takes nothing to make you break up whereas
team speak has such a huge buffer you could probably talk in a
stereo channel on satellite. Very latent, but doable. I have played
around with the transmit interval on team talk to no avail.

I use zoom for work, but have to be mobile with it so am curious on
how it will handle that. I have many rural areas that get excellent
HSPA coverage which should be more than enough for any audio
communication, yet team talk struggles like crazy. Frustrating.




On 16-Jul-2018 2:15 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Well I use Skype and TT on my PC not in a mobile environment due to
a Android phone that has 8 GB of memory. I do 99.9 percent of my
stuff on said PC with a 200 MBPS download speed on my Spectrum
connection.
Skype technologies SA should never should have sold their souls to
the devil AKA MS. V 4X had great audio. MS broke it.

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*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 3:12:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 - Maybe it is for you. Not everyone needs high quality audio for
voice communication, using tons of mobile internet that they don't
have. I have used zoom, and I see zero difference in audio quality.
Mostly because of internal microphones with noise suppression enabled.



On 16-Jul-2018 1:46 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

If I were a podcaster, I would use Zoom or TT. Sorry, but I
standby what I said. The audio is crap.

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*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2018 2:44:27 PM
*To:* NVDA List
*Subject:* Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
The audio quality is fine. It is not zoom quality but I can
understand what’s being said, and if I can do my job still I'll
take it. I actually love skype and I do use it on my podcasts.

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Lino Morales
<linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>>
wrote:

The audio quality is crap. Team Talk is better for what you want to
do.

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Joshua Hendrickson
<louvins@gmail.com <mailto:louvins@gmail.com>> *sent:*Monday,
July
16, 2018 2:36:56 PM *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -
I am not exactly a fan of the new version of skype. If I can
figure out how to invite multiple people to a skype call, that
would be great. However, I can use this new version of skype ok.
Granted, I do not like it as well as 7.4, but I can use it.

On 7/16/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
What ever happened to Microsoft Net Meeting?
I used to use that on days of dial-up and Windows 98.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Eleni
Vamvakari
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:03 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September 1 -

I used GW Connect for a while, but now, even the patch doesn't
seem to work.
I installed it on one of my machines a few nights ago, but it
wouldn't even
let me see my contacts. This is truly sad, as it was great
software. I
don't know why Microsoft is forcing everyone to use their
software, especially when it is not even fully accessible!
Usually, I use S Portable, which is a portable version of
regular
Skype 7 if
I remember correctly. Granted, I do not really like the
interface
there
either, especially as I have to use Task Manager to close the
program, but
at least it is better than the one that my friend has on his
laptop! I tried
it and got a headache! Here is the link to S Portable.

https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/sportable

Personally, I liked MSN/Windows Live Messenger better than I
liked all of
the above,
as it was simple, fast, and in its earlier days, didn't include
all sorts of
unnecessary features! Now, I must find an accessible
alternative
to Skype.
*sigh*

All the best,
Eleni

On 16/07/2018, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov
<mailto:glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>> wrote:
Does anyone here still use GW Connect?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 12:29 PM
To: Nvda List <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on
September
1 -

https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-
services/skype/
16333
7/Microsoft-killing-skype-classic-September-1






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