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switching keyboard language/was/Re: [nvda] bookmarks in firefox

Laurie Mehta
 

This post mentions switching keyboard language in Win10 being easy. It's posted on a thread about something else, though, and I have not seen a thread with subject line regarding keyboard language switching.

So, I am wondering--
How does someone switch keyboard language (in Win10 or otherwise)?
It would be useful to know this so that one could switch back if an unintended change was made.

Thanks!
-LM

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Quoting original message, Fri, 7/20/18:

Subject: Re: [nvda] bookmarks in firefox

I am a little worried though that switching keyboard languages is so easy to
do in windows 10, this looks like a disaster for some coming along. Its not
that its not easy to fix, but that many people do not know it can occur this
way since it seems a little too simple and is not what has been happening in
windows before.
Brian


Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Cristóbal
 

Yeah, that’s a false equivalency. Not even remotely close.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of slery
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

I don’t know but I feel that making someone use a different screen reader is like making a cane user use a guide dog or a paralyized person use a non-powered wheel chair when they have always used a wheel chair.

 

The only thing I can do with JAWS is use my typical windows keyboard short-cuts that I have know since the switch from DOS.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

That's against the law here fortunately.  Employers have to take your preference into consideration in the accommodation process.  Fortunately NVDA plays much better ball on old systems than jaws does and I've had prospective employers tell me they prefer it after comparing the two.

Employers aren't required to do what you tell them to do.  If I walked into a shop that already had jaws I couldn't expect them to replace it with NVDA.  That's never happened yet though.

Best,

Erik

On July 18, 2018 1:07:58 PM "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> wrote:

I brought that up  at the jobs I work for and they just say either use jaws or don’t work for us. It’s not fair really. And the blindness organizations don’t really care anyway. They are just there for the money, or lck thereof.

 

On Jul 18, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Sky Mundell <skyt@...> wrote:

 

Yes there are deliberate lies going on with those blind organisations about alternative products. What they fail to take into account is that there are cutbacks going on in education, employment, and funding can only go so far. Not only that, but when the cutbacks begin to bite, these organisations will be forced to seek out cheaper things such as NVDA. At that point, they may go with NVDA. What also surprises me is that VFO hasn't even put up their prices yet!

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nvda@nvda.groups.io[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 9:21 AM
To: 
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Same thing happens over here, in POland. Altix, the local distributor of 
JAWS, has recently released a series of articles about Jamie leaving NV 
Access for Mozilla even though he did this a long time ago and about all 
the features NVDA doesn't have and JAWS does. I've even heart accounts 
of people who were told by altix representatives that NVDA is dangerous 
to their computers and that it might fry their motherboards, though I 
don't know if those who retold the story were speaking the truth or 
merely exaggerating.

This seems like pressure from Freedom Scientific to promote JAWS.

W dniu 2018-07-18 o 17:33, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io pisze:

I have just listened to the latest issue of Techtalk from the RNIB in 
the uk on Audioboom, and there is an interview with the software man at 
VFO about what they sell and future plans, and the guy asked him about 
NVDA Though not actually  trashing it, he used that old ploy that one of 
the programmers has now left to go to Mozilla and nobody will install 
NVDA in a business system because its open source etc. anyway, go and 
have a listen and see what you think. I guess his job is to big up his 
own company, but I noticed, dear old Dolphin never even got mentioned!
Brian

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Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

I would really like to see more languages added to eloquence, lots more, such as Norwegian, Danish, hebrew, and the other ones that espeak supports, but added into eloquence. But I don't think that will happen. 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

the only thing I can think of that may allow a modern sapi5 keynote gold software to be built, would be if someone has a brailleNote apex or brailleNote classic and could extract the firmware, with an eProm chip extractor, possibly. 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

BUT IF KEYNOTE GOLD WERE RELEASED FOR WINDOWS TOMORROW, AND IF SAPI5 KEYNOTE GOLD COST $40 FOR ALL LANGUAGES I would buy it tomorrow! but again, unless I am mistaken, the source code for keynote gold is lost, and the people who work at humanware now, are not the same ones who worked there in the days of keynote gold multimedia sales. 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

you can have eloquence speak for free sort of, anyway, by getting an eloquence speak window demo app, and then putting text into it, then making it speak or saving as wav file. it won't work with screen readers but you can make eloquence read text for you. I think those are on the internet archive somewhere as public software. 


Re: possible eloquence solution

Josh Kennedy
 

and i guess that there is no possible way to bring back keynote gold, because as far as i know the source code for that synth is lost. all i have is keynote gold multimedia software demo and keysoft demo running inside a windows3.1 virtual machine. 


Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes when in that google part the whole thing starts to use cpu on all cores in waterfox and firefox, up to 36 percent of all but one cores are being used according to the resource checker add on in nvda.

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?


Not sure which FF you using but the page loaded including FF startup in about ten seconds.
Rick

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 8:50 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?

Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?


Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not entirely. That page seems to slow down my computer so wondered if a sighted person might see some useless animation or something on it. Something is misbehaving.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Turner" <meturner2214@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?


Hi, I'm using the beta version of ff.

I've downloaded a portible version of waterfox, loaded the page, and got
the same thing.

Note: I've had this laptop for 7 years, so that's why I'm thinking it
could be the problem.


On 7/20/2018 9:25 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Try disabling the addons you have installed and see what happens after
that

A quick way to do this is to go to the help menu and select restart
with addons disabled

See if the page loads after that

*From: *Matt Turner <mailto:meturner2214@gmail.com>
*Sent: *20 July 2018 13:50
*To: *NVDA <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Firefox and this webpage?

Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?




Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

On running firefox I find that there is that youtube thing on the screen, and somewhere about half way through loading the whole computer is slowed down hugely until it grinds to a halt. I suspect some terrible script at play and it could well also be the cause for the non loading of the google part as well if the machine simply is slowed down so much it misses the response from the site. Certainly on an I5 with 8 gig of ram and an ssd drive this performance is very unusual on the web.

Brian

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To: "NVDA" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?


Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?



Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Gerardo Corripio
 

Speaking of which, I downloaded off the page Joseph gave, and it installed version 1.0, thus when I went to install it, NVDAreported that version 1.0 was already installed, asking if I wanted to install it anyway? I wonder then what's the new version, and is it available from the Stable download option?

El 20/07/2018 a las 09:05 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
Basically the idea is a more intelligent announcement when you use the clipboard shortcut keys. IE it does what Jaws and other screenreaders do and says what you have done. Unlike the basic clipboard keys announce add on we have been using it attempts to only say what its really done.
Unfortunately it was quite slow and as I said did make pasting into word often complain with a low memory error but in fact the paste did work. It also used to come up with some interesting comments when using goldwave cut and paste of  audio files as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey" <cwollner@wi.rr.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak stable released #AddonRelease


Hi what does this add on all do for your clip board?

I must have missed that part of the messages about this add on.




On 7/19/2018 11:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Cheers,

Joseph

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Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well strangely enough, although the main page seems to work in waterfox I get an error.

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In other words it seems to be saying google is not there. We had this earlier in the week with another web site which used google calendar so I'm a bit purplexed by this one.
Brian

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To: "NVDA" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?


Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?



Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Basically the idea is a more intelligent announcement when you use the clipboard shortcut keys. IE it does what Jaws and other screenreaders do and says what you have done. Unlike the basic clipboard keys announce add on we have been using it attempts to only say what its really done.
Unfortunately it was quite slow and as I said did make pasting into word often complain with a low memory error but in fact the paste did work. It also used to come up with some interesting comments when using goldwave cut and paste of audio files as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Clipspeak stable released #AddonRelease


Hi what does this add on all do for your clip board?

I must have missed that part of the messages about this add on.




On 7/19/2018 11:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard
operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien
Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Cheers,

Joseph

--

Casey




Re: Decorum on this list, NVDA Vs. JAWS Debate #adminnotice

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Note i tried to send this to the list owner with the link on this email but it bounced, so
Here is what I wrote.
...
You will note I merely posted a comment about a podcast and only one other
message more or less saying that whatever you felt it was your own opinion
and I was not going to turn it into a long wandering my xx is better than
yours. We got into one of those about syynths a while ago, and nobody ever
seems to learn the lesson that personal views are no going to be shared by
others.

Anyway, I pushed off from the thread and to be honest I have this little
rule called junk which I update from time to time that throws threads that
have outlived their purpose into my junk folder!
I was rather interested in what you mean about being part of windows 10 or
something though. If we consider recent figures of windows usage published
it seems that windows 7 still has 47 percent of the market, mainly due to
corporate use and there are many here who use it.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Decorum on this list, NVDA Vs. JAWS Debate #adminnotice


Hello everyone,

I took the time to read all over 50 messages that were sent on the NVDA and
JAWS debate. Here are some thoughts, and please forgive me for coming down
a bit hard on this, but if you read this all the way through, you may
understand why. Please also understand that what I am about to write is not
my personal opinion necessarily, but it is my role as an admin of this list
to make the points I am about to make.

1. This list is for the discussion of NVDA and, specifically, to help out
one another in our learning and knowledge of NVDA. This group exists
because its members want it to do so, although I feel that it should be
tied up into the Windows 10 group, but there you have it. This group does
not exist to bash others, to disparage companies, or to flame and attack
others for their preferences. While a limited amount of comparison may be
valid when attempting to request a new feature or trying to understand how
NVDA does things as compared to another screen reader, what I saw today in
the thread was nothing short of a disgrace coming from list members.
2. It doesn't matter what Eric or anyone else from Freedom Scientific did
or did not say about NVDA, we the NVDA community can choose how to respond,
and I urge all of us to respond in a way that does not have us looking
clownish to the outside world, and to new members. This community is
public, and it is archived. Let it be a learning and teaching tool, not a
platform for bashing.
3. Your personal opinions of what is better or not better are irrelevant on
this list, as are mine. You have chosen to participate on an NVDA list.
Contribute to this list in a way you see fit, but do not attack other
people, companies, products, or anything else just because your opinion is
that NVDA is the best. No product is the best for everyone, no product is
perfect, and no product, person, or entity should be attacked in the way
that VFO has been in this group.
4. If a list member posts a controversial thread, you do not have to
respond. If you want to respond, at least take the time to research your
position by listening to the podcast that was presented, and then state
facts about what was said, without drawing conclusions about what you think
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This community can be welcoming, inviting, and safe for everyone. It can be
an example of how all people can get along. It can be an example of how we
choose not to flame companies or individuals, as so often happens on
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considerate of those around the world who have limited bandwidth by not
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Finally, I have seen some rumblings about eloquence on this list over the
past few days. That word used to be banned on this list, however I was
talked into removing that ban. Still, Eloquence is illegal unless it is
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This can be discussed if there are bugs with it, or if we are pointing a
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Re: Clipspeak stable released #addonrelease

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi what does this add on all do for your clip board?

I must have missed that part of the messages about this add on.




On 7/19/2018 11:55 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

For those who wanted a way to let NVDA announce various clipboard operations, now you have it in the form of Clipspeak add-on by Damien Garwood:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

 

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, I'm using the beta version of ff.

I've downloaded a portible version of waterfox, loaded the page, and got the same thing.

Note: I've had this laptop for 7 years, so that's why I'm thinking it could be the problem. 


On 7/20/2018 9:25 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Try disabling the addons you have installed and see what happens after that

A quick way to do this is to go to the help menu and select restart with addons disabled

See if the page loads after that

 

 

From: Matt Turner
Sent: 20 July 2018 13:50
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?

 

Hi folks.

 

ff, won't load this page.

 

It just keeps sitting there.

 

https://simplynuc.com/

 

The page loads in chrome.

 

I tthink it could be this laptop.

 

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

 

Anyone else seem to have this problem?

 

 

 

 



Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Chris
 

Try disabling the addons you have installed and see what happens after that

A quick way to do this is to go to the help menu and select restart with addons disabled

See if the page loads after that

 

 

From: Matt Turner
Sent: 20 July 2018 13:50
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?

 

Hi folks.

 

ff, won't load this page.

 

It just keeps sitting there.

 

https://simplynuc.com/

 

The page loads in chrome.

 

I tthink it could be this laptop.

 

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

 

Anyone else seem to have this problem?

 

 

 

 


Re: Firefox and this webpage?

ely.r@...
 

Not sure which FF you using but the page loaded including FF startup in about ten seconds.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 8:50 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?

Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?


Re: Firefox and this webpage?

Lino Morales
 

Hi Matt. Its loading fin here and I’m using Waterfox. What version of FF are you using again?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Matt Turner <meturner2214@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 8:50:11 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and this webpage?
 
Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?





Firefox and this webpage?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

ff, won't load this page.

It just keeps sitting there.

https://simplynuc.com/

The page loads in chrome.

I tthink it could be this laptop.

Windows 8.1 64 bit, the latest versions of ff, and NVDA.

Anyone else seem to have this problem?