Date   

Re: skype 8 for desktop

P. Otter
 

Hey, dear fellow, are you bored perhaps?
Cheers
Paul Otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 10:49 schreef Brian K. Lingard:

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn



Re: Introduction, and a question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes so do I and as I said earlier, it has effects on updates sometimes on installed copies, but I think its just a problem in7 as people who run 10 seem not to encounter this flat refusal to unlock a file.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Hi,

I have been trying to use safe disconnect in Windows 7. I always get the warning message even if I wait 10 minutes. So, for now, I will power down my system before removing the thumb drive until I learn more. Also, I made a backup copy of NVDA portable on a second thumb drive just for my convenience.

Thanks for all of your information.

Concerning money for helping NVDA, I have a question or 2.

I would like to donate a very small amount of money to the development of NVDA using either a debit/credit card or by phone on a monthly basis. I prefer not to use PayPal.
Does anyone have a phone number or a web site that does not use PayPal?

James B


-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

James, To power down a thumb drive, go to your systray (windows key +
b), press the notification chevron button, (spacebar), then arrow thru
till you find a button to safely remove/eject hardware. Right-click
that (applications key, shift-f10), & you'll get a context menu where
you can eject the drive safely.

In addition to the user guide & the excellent materials provided by
Joseph Lee, NV Access itself has some paid training materials that go
to support continued development of NVDA. It's available at
nvaccess.org, then click the 'shop' link. The materials are available
in either ebook or audio form, & I think are quite reasonably priced,
if it's at all in your budget.

On 7/22/18, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@att.net> wrote:
OK, I like the idea of having 2 dedicated thumb drives in case one is
damaged.

The warning from Windows saying that files may be corrupted if I continue
with removing the thumb drive makes me a bit nervous. I may stick with
powering down until I learn more. And, I will wait several minutes to give
Windows more time to finish writing files.

Thanks for your suggestions,

James B

From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

I wouldn't waste time powering down. Even if you power down, according to
what I've read, information may not be written to the drive properly before
the computer stops. If this is correct, powering down may damage
information on a drive just as improper removal may. To be safe, you might
want to just use a dedicated thumb drive for NVDA, with nothing else on it,
and to have another dedicated drive with you in case the first one is
damaged and you want to use NVDA again when out.

I consider that if the following is adhered to, the chance for corruption is
minimal, or nonexistent.

A file remains in use after you unload NVDA. You may be able to use a third
party utility to stop the file, but I don't think it's necessary. As far as
I know, while NVDA is being used, very little, if any, information would be
written to the thumb drive except when you do something like save changed
settings.

By default, NVDA saves settings on exit. So, if you have changed settings
and then shut down NVDA, just to be safe, I would say to wait a minute or
two before removing the drive. If you don't change any settings, I doubt it
matters if you don't wait..

I don't have the technical knowledge of NVDA to kno if I am write that very
little or no information is written, except when saving settings, but that
is my guess. I see no reason why it would need to nbe. NVDA is placed in
memory and runs from memory when you run it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is
also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe
disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I
just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr,
is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you
shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly
powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will
continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I
am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B






--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com





Re: Introduction, and a question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think there is a file unlocker available for Windows 7, but I never had a lot of luck with it myself.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


James: I am running Windows 10, so this may not be available in Windows 7. In the disconnect dialog, there should also be a continue button, that will force close all files and eject the media. You should not have to restart. Of course, you do want to shut down NVDA properly and start JAWS before you do any of this ejecting stuff.


By the way, I am also in East Texas and am curious as to where you are. I would have asked you privately, but I couldn't figure out how to get Thunderbird to relinquish your Email address.


On 7/22/2018 9:50 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?
Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, it depends really. I'd suggest if you are going to use that machine a lot then have it installed it will be a lot better in many ways. You do not have to have it start at start up if you do not want it.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@dcpendleton.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is also fixed.
I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr, is there a way around this?
Gene, thanks,
James B
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@att.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi all,
I am James Bentley from East Texas.
I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?
Is there a tutorial available?
And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?
Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.
James B


Re: Introduction, and a question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, In the main it seems to have no actual impact at all. Its a bit like an sd card I have it keeps on telling me its been disconnected badly when I plug it in and can it scan it yet it finds no issues with it. I'm note sure if its some logging or just that windows 7 is a little slow at releasing files. I've seen this with the log file even on the installed copy that stops the update always running as the log is locked. Its easy to fix this, by esc and then a relaunch, but I am almost sure its on windows 7 machines with ssd drives for some odd reason.

Incidentally you may find that using a pen copy on windows 10 is not as useful as more of the operating system needs admin access to allow accessibility to work correctly so nvda tries to fall back to older apis and sometimes this is not very much good.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@att.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question


Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.

And, I discovered a tutorial in the NVDA help menu. So, that problem is also fixed.

I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.

Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.

I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive. I discovered that I can not do a safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use. So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way. Is this normal? Orr, is there a way around this?

Gene, thanks,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak command keys on or speak command keys off. It's a toggle. If off, you shouldn't hear the announcement.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Hi all,

I am James Bentley from East Texas.

I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.

I am extremely impressed with NVDA. Its small, efficient, and surprisingly powerful. Especially since it is free of charge. I predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
May I start with 2 quick questions?

Is there a tutorial available?

And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down while I am arrowing up and down through a web page?

Many thanks. And, I’m glad to be here.

James B


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing patience with it I suspect.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat


Hi!
With the exception of some intermediary stages, Skype's accessibility
doesn't seem to be degrading, just changing. Even on iOS they're putting a
lot of care into it, making it more Voiceover-friendly than some of Apple's
own apps I could name. For now I'm sticking with it and can only recommend
others do the same and provide feedback to Microsoft if something goes
wrong.
Best,
Felix

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018 um
05:32 Uhr:

Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but
those won’t help you . I would just stick to skype. It works and
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

Hello,
This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured
it’d be worth a shot.
With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually
disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for
alternatives.
I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together)
for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible,
native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I
am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is
excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read
aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in
rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA,
VoiceOver users.
2. End-to-end encryption.
3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet
stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
4. Conference/group chat support.
5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks
we can find/write another.

A few options I thought of:
faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on
mobile
Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of
autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in
itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not
connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is
shut down, no solution for voice chat.

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

Thanks in advance,
Bill



Re: improvements for zoom

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to recall, Jaws needed to have a script written for it to work also, so maybe the code is not easy to actually fix.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] improvements for zoom


I am hugely confused why people didn't write to zoom and ask them to fix it. I don't get it, but anyway, if anybody wants to write in to the access team, their email is below. If I were you, I would write more than, edit fields don't work. Their email is below. The below goes to their accessibility team. People should write to them.

access@zoom.us


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

It’s no longer possible to quit Skype from the system tray with NVDA when using Skype 8: however, if you press control+q from within the Skype 8 window, that makes you quit the program completely.

The control+q keystroke isn’t in the list of key commands from Microsoft which several people have sent a link to, but I read about it before getting Skype 8, and when I wanted to quit Skype 8 after installing it, I found that control+q works for that;

I hope this helps!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: lundi 23 juillet 2018 04:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop

 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?

 

On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:

you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Brian K. Lingard
 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Brian K. Lingard
 

This message train does discuss Skype 8 for desktop, however has nothing to do with NVDA, this list's topic.

Perhaps should migrate to Skype English?

Please, Use grammar & spell checkers for optimal writing perfection. In addition, proofread.

1,200 bytes of redundant list trailers deleted.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?

 

On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Brian K. Lingard
 

This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list?

Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
Rather strange!
I have tried it out but it do not work.
I am afraid there is not one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

You are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
In addition, that is the problem.
Cheers
Paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 


Re: OT Skype Commands was OTT Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Brian K. Lingard
 

This message has had a defective subject line for four iterations. How many more iterations of it must we suffer?

The subject of this message has nothing to do with the message body.

What, pray tell, do Skype Commands have to do with NVDA, the stated topic of this list?

Posters need to follow the list rule about quoting just enough to maintain continuity of discussion and ideally summing up all prior messages in a sentence or two. Concisely summing up is highly prized in business, academia as well as society generally.

1,301 bytes of redundant list trailer lines truncated by myself.

Honest, the list management program will automatically add a brand new set of trailer lines when the message is posted. Some people, especially using cellular data, pay for the text they receive, including redundant quotes and 1,301 bytes of list trailer lines. Few people can afford Unlimited Cellular Data, assuming their carrier even offers this choice.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes. I was not at first since it was not listed in the shortcut table, but indeed, you can answer an incoming call with this command. You have to be in the Skype window for any of the commands to work though. Inconvenient to say the least.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Are you really sure, the hotkey to answer a call is similar with the key to start an audio call?
 
Cheers
Paul otter

Op 21-7-2018 Om 19:23 schreef Cristóbal:

Answering is control plus shift plus P.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

Yes, most of the things are possible.
However, how can I answer an incoming call, alt pgup des not work and how can I activate the hotkeys for skype?
For example, in a list I see, ctrl e, sometimes it works but sometimes not then, the connection keeps open.
However, in the list I see ctrl e is stop connection.
I am curious!
Cheers
Paul otter
 

Op 21-7-2018 Om 05:45 schreef Supanut Leepaisomboon:

When you open Skype 8, NVDA treats it just like a normal web page. Therefore, if you can navigate the web using NVDA, then you can navigate around the interface of the new Skype 8 as well.

 


Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Felix G.
 

Hi!
With the exception of some intermediary stages, Skype's accessibility doesn't seem to be degrading, just changing. Even on iOS they're putting a lot of care into it, making it more Voiceover-friendly than some of Apple's own apps I could name. For now I'm sticking with it and can only recommend others do the same and provide feedback to Microsoft if something goes wrong.
Best,
Felix

Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> schrieb am Mo., 23. Juli 2018 um 05:32 Uhr:

Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but
those won’t help  you . I would  just stick to skype. It works and 
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

> Hello,
> This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured
> it’d be worth a shot.
> With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually
> disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for
> alternatives.
> I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together)
> for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible,
> native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I
> am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is
> excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read
> aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in
> rough order of most to least important, but are not required:
> 1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA,
> VoiceOver users.
> 2. End-to-end encryption.
> 3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet
> stable audio quality depending on network conditions.
> 4. Conference/group chat support.
> 5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks
> we can find/write another.
>
> A few options I thought of:
> faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users.
> Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based
> Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on
> mobile
> Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss
> Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all
> Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of
> autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in
> itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not
> connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users.
> Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is
> shut down, no solution for voice chat.
>
> Any ideas on other services I can investigate?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
>




Re: NVDA and Firefox

E.T.
 

Jonathan,
While still not good with Safari, I found that Voiceover read the buttons just fine. Having identified the buttons, I went back to Windows and managed to do what needed to be done. I wanted to try Internet Explorer but its broken and I cannot find a way to restore it to version 8.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/22/2018 6:19 PM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
Very interesting. I was just talking about this same issue with my brother earlier today.
There was also a recent discussion on the W3C interest group about why local CSS is a good accessibility tool. Though I believe the author said he had to use Safari in order to have a local style sheet that overrode the ones supplied by the web site.
IN terms of your specific problem, I don't believe that NVDA has a graphics labeling function available either in core or in one of the addons.
On 7/22/18, 4:41 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of E.T. via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
For a long time I have been using a large screen and set up \Windows
7 using the high contrast theme. There are some elements that are
invisible when using Firefox. Most times I can work around this. I am
starting to use NVDA to fill in the gaps.

Still learning though. I ran into an issue on the MedicAlert web
site. There are 3 buttons or elements in its shopping cart that have no
labels and do not speak. I would appreciate some pointers on this so I
can resolve this. Thanks much.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan





Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sadly I use skype for this. I use zoom for my business meetings but those won’t help you . I would just stick to skype. It works and
microsoft have improved it over all..

Take care and sorry to be the bringer of bad news.

On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:18, Bill Dengler wrote:

Hello, This might not be the right list for this sort of thing, but I figured it’d be worth a shot. With Skype’s accessibility degrading on Windows and virtually disappearing on the Mac after recent updates, I’m looking for alternatives. I’m looking for a service (or collection of services used together) for realtime voice and text chat. The services must have accessible, native (i.e. not a web view) apps on Windows, Mac, iOS and Android. I am willing to consider an app with a web view if accessibility is excellent. Incoming text chat messages must be automatically read aloud for JAWS users. The following features are nice to have, in rough order of most to least important, but are not required: 1. Automatic reading of incoming text chat messages for NVDA, VoiceOver users. 2. End-to-end encryption. 3. Use of the Opus codec (or something similar) allowing for high, yet stable audio quality depending on network conditions. 4. Conference/group chat support. 5. Based on open standards (or has a public API), so if the app breaks we can find/write another.

A few options I thought of: faceTime/iMessage: doesn’t work for Windows/Android/non-Apple users. Whatsapp/Signal/Slack: desktop apps are web based Discord: desktop app is web based, reports of inaccessibility on mobile Telegram: accessibility on mobile is hit and miss Google Duo/Alo: no desktop apps at all Running my own XMPP/SIP server: no XMPP clients that I know of autoread for JAWS, I am responsible for running my own servers (not in itself a bad thing but makes it harder to communicate with those not connected to my server), difficult to use for nontechnical users. Twiter direct messages: will not be realtime after streaming API is shut down, no solution for voice chat.

Any ideas on other services I can investigate?

Thanks in advance, Bill


Re: skype 8 for desktop

P. Otter
 

ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
rather strange!
i've tryed it out but it don't work.
i'm afraid there is'nt one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There isn’t, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it’s not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift  plus P. I found this out by playing with the the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it’s not. And so it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop

 

you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 



Re: skype 8 for desktop

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?


On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:
you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter


Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:
hi all
below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop
 
 
kerryn



Re: NVDA and Firefox

Jonathan COHN
 

Very interesting. I was just talking about this same issue with my brother earlier today.

There was also a recent discussion on the W3C interest group about why local CSS is a good accessibility tool. Though I believe the author said he had to use Safari in order to have a local style sheet that overrode the ones supplied by the web site.

IN terms of your specific problem, I don't believe that NVDA has a graphics labeling function available either in core or in one of the addons.





On 7/22/18, 4:41 PM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of E.T. via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

For a long time I have been using a large screen and set up \Windows
7 using the high contrast theme. There are some elements that are
invisible when using Firefox. Most times I can work around this. I am
starting to use NVDA to fill in the gaps.

Still learning though. I ran into an issue on the MedicAlert web
site. There are 3 buttons or elements in its shopping cart that have no
labels and do not speak. I would appreciate some pointers on this so I
can resolve this. Thanks much.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan


Re: Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

Cristóbal
 

Yup. Alt plus pg-dn or pg-up worked anywhere on the machine. All you had to do was enable the hotkeys in Skype options somewhere around the accessibility section and presto.

Now . . . it’s unfortunately not so. Why roll back this function? Who knows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft is Killing Skype Classic on September 1 -

 

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 01:57 PM, Cristóbal wrote:

You have to be in the Skype window for any of the commands to work though. Inconvenient to say the least.

I'm shocked to hear that it ever worked any other way (and I believe what you've said).   That violates virtually every "rule" Windows (any version) ever had about focus and how it determines what process/program gets what keystrokes.  

I believe that JAWS and NVDA both have some mechanism that if you start Skype first (or second through something like fifth or sixth) that there's a keyboard shortcut to throw focus to open program #X on the taskbar.  Were I constantly using Skype under the current circumstances I'd probably force it to open in position number 1 so that it's easy to throw focus to without needing to ALT+TAB to get to it.  I don't have my reference materials handy so I may be just making this up, but I don't think so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Cristóbal
 

Correct. There isn’t, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it’s not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift  plus P. I found this out by playing with the the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it’s not. And so it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop

 

you're right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
and that's the problem.
cheers
paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn