Re: Introduction, and a question
Ervin, Glenn
Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Gene
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case
of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have
gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a
thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene
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From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Two Skype UWP questions.
John Isige
Hi all. Two quick questions about Skype UWP with NVDA.
1. How can I see when a message was sent? If I highlight a message with the arrow keys and use NVDA-numpad 2 and then I think object nav to the right, I see a time, but not a date. Can I see both? 2. Is there an easy way to get to the list of messages? Today I sent a message, and then the person replied. NVDA said something like "skype text input", and I could see the person I was chatting with, make a call, make a video call, and so on, but I couldn't actually see their messages. I had to hit alt-1, arrow to another conversation, and then arrow back to them. Then I was able to tab to the list and hit end and arrow up through their messages. There's surely a simpler way to do this?
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
Hay I have a very good idea about Skype 8. Could some one please
do a good pod cast on Skype 8? I think the answering calls should
be covered in an audio pod cast as well as all other things.
On 7/23/2018 12:47 PM, Tyler Wood
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Tyler Wood
I have my mail client set to threaded view, which I think should be the default for any of them. Drives me crazy when other programs don't conform to threaded view and create a completely separate one with the same subject.
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Tyler
On 23-Jul-2018 11:47 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Seems like most sighted folk on the lists I'm on seem to like it the way it does not default to.
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Ervin, Glenn
Seems like most sighted folk on the lists I'm on seem to like it the way it does not default to.
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That is, they seem to like the response at the bottom, or if multiple answers, then by separating the original messages with their responses after each. Personally, I hate reading through the quoted original message, as when I'm following a thread, I rarely need to read the quoted message, and when I do, I would rather read it after the reply. Glenn
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question Personally I hate it when I can't see what the message is actually replying to. In a few cases it gets quoted, but only in a few and it isn't very often. How does grammar have *anything* to do with trimming a message and a few tenths of a kilobyte? Furthermore, why do email programs default to having the message listed at the top if this isn't supposed to be the case? On 23-Jul-2018 11:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Tyler Wood
Hi, I agree about good spelling and grammar. If on a pc, Tiny spell should do you right and it is very accessible with any screen reader one chooses.Maybe this should have been posted to another mailing list. I personally am not subscribed to it, so this was great information for me. Apologies if it wasn't for some, but considering that skype 8 is soon going to be replacing older versions, any resources/tips I can get is greatly appreciated at this point. I think some people need to take a few deep breaths. Cluttering this mailing list with messages about untrimmed quote on quote message trains, as he called it, is hardly a productive thing to be doing either.
On 23-Jul-2018 11:38 AM, Ervin, Glenn
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Tyler Wood
Personally I hate it when I can't see what the message is actually replying to.
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In a few cases it gets quoted, but only in a few and it isn't very often. How does grammar have *anything* to do with trimming a message and a few tenths of a kilobyte? Furthermore, why do email programs default to having the message listed at the top if this isn't supposed to be the case?
On 23-Jul-2018 11:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid of course! :-)
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Ervin, Glenn
Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program. If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them. If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though. I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use. Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop
Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.
That's all I'll say.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted. Perhaps belongs on Skype English? Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread; Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill. Brian From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of P. Otter
you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call! Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Rosemarie Chavarria
Excuse me but Gene Asner is the moderator--not you.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop
This message train does discuss Skype 8 for desktop, however has nothing to do with NVDA, this list's topic. Perhaps should migrate to Skype English? Please, Use grammar & spell checkers for optimal writing perfection. In addition, proofread. 1,200 bytes of redundant list trailers deleted. Brian
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?
On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Rosemarie Chavarria
Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.
That's all I'll say.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop
1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted. Perhaps belongs on Skype English? Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread; Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill. Brian From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call! Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:
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Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)
Hi,
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It is kept for backward compatibility purposes. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 9:25 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208) OK, well, I read this, does this mean that hand installed app modules are no longer going to work. as I know some people who have this already, as their use is special, and unlikely to be of interest to others, and indeed the time to package it as an official add on. This does mean however that no indication of its presence is available in nvda. The main one was to do with fiddling with sleep mode outside of profiles. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208) He posted on the thread a few days ago.See joseph's message below, guys.
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Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)
Brian's Mail list account
OK, well, I read this, does this mean that hand installed app modules are no longer going to work. as I know some people who have this already, as their use is special, and unlikely to be of interest to others, and indeed the time to package it as an official add on. This does mean however that no indication of its presence is available in nvda. The main one was to do with fiddling with sleep mode outside of profiles.
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208) He posted on the thread a few days ago.See joseph's message below, guys.
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Re: here is my little bit of experiment
Brian's Mail list account
No its OK but there are often ramifications to the simplest acts. Enthusiasm has often driven me to make an idiot of myself as well. Some might say I might take it up as a career!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "sardar shankar" <shankars.5060@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment sorry! I didn't know that it'll be a big problem.
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Cristóbal
I do find it somewhat ironic someone complaining about threads and all the lines they needlessly take up when they’ve got a rather long signature line included in their email messages. Contact me this, Skype me that and so on. It’s not exactly a bunch of giggles getting past that every single time if you wish to scroll down a thread to read the thread.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 6:56 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop
Since its founding, the list has permitted some off topic discussion.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list? Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find. Brian From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation? Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Brian's Mail list account
Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid of course! :-)
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing to safely remove them. Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of Windows & Skype. I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic. Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst. Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure. Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on the Skype English list. The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list trailer lines. Brian
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Re: OT Observations on skype 8 for desktop
Brian's Mail list account
It is not going to happen though, is it?
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Time is seen as being taken to do lots of edits, but seldom seen as wasted by the receiver of the message. However, if the message that is put on the top of the pile is concise and understandable, then one can safely not read the remainder. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [NVDA] OT Observations on skype 8 for desktop Dear Paul & List:
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Re: Accessible voice and text chat
I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a ver good tool for my jobs and more. Blessings and happy Monday Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website: http://www.tffppodcast.com For stuff we sell, mac training materials and tutorials go to http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium and for hosting options go to http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting to subscribe to the feed click here: http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp And for the listen page go here: http://www.tffppodcast.com/listen Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here: http://www.tffppodcast.com/pod-pledge For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed subscribe send a blank email to androiddiscuss+subscribe@android-discuss.groups.io and follow the prompts. to visit the subgroups and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to the main group as well) visit the following URL: about-android.tffppodcast.com To subscribe to the skype english list go to skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and send a blank email to the subscribe address listed there.
On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: skype 8 for desktop
Brian's Mail list account
I sometimes sit here and find myself wondering why nobody heeds the well trodden rule of humanity. If something is not broken, don't try to fix it. That is all that needs to be said about Skype from its inception to now.
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From: "Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io" <k_gunness@...> To: <nvda@groups.io> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:14 AM Subject: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop hi all below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype kerryn
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Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
Brian's Mail list account
I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
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From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live. After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash. And, just use the original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a computer outside of my home. Gene, thank you for your input. I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I paid around $40,for lousy speech. Especially since I am so impressed with NVDA itself. As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to use Chrome. Cheers, James B From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA There is something else to consider. First, I may have misunderstood the request to take the sub ject off list. It might have referred to where people live. I often see people take topics of general interest off lists and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion. As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to use it with. I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA from a thumb drive. Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use the artifact. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence. I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this. On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote: Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best. I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy. James B From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product. On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote: Hi all, I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA. If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using? Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good? Thanks, James B
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