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Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Re: Introduction, and a question

Gene
 

How do you know?  Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

Windows always gives the canned message about removing a  drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running.  I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.

 

As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running.  NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed.  This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed.  That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question

 

Hi James,
If you are running NVDA from the thumb drive, then disconnecting it
while it is running will cause problems for NVDA, and you will get no
feedback. So yes, closing down the machine and then disconnecting your
drive is, in my opinion, the best course of action.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 22/07/2018 03:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Ah, yes, that toggle fixed the problem.
> And, I discovered a tutorial  in the NVDA help menu.  So, that problem
> is also fixed.
> I sure wish I had installed NVDA a long time ago.
> Gene, I am going to ask you or, anyone another question.
> I put NVDA Portible on a thumb drive.  I discovered that I can not do a
> safe disconnect because Winndows 7 says that the files are still in use.
> So, I just powered down the box and disconnected that way.  Is this
> normal?  Orr, is there a way around this?
> Gene, thanks,
> James B
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:12 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Try NVDA key, either insert by default, f4. You should hear either speak
> command keys on or speak command keys off.   It's a toggle.  If off, you
> shouldn't hear the announcement.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* James Bentley <mailto:bentleyj1952@...>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:34 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Introduction, and a question
> Hi all,
> I am James Bentley from East Texas.
> I recently installed NVDA out of curiosity and for a backup to Jaws.
> I am extremely impressed with NVDA.  Its small, efficient, and
> surprisingly powerful.  Especially since it is free of charge.  I
> predict it will continue to grow and improve at a rapid rate.
> May I start with 2 quick questions?
> Is there a tutorial available?
> And, Is it possible to stop NVDA from saying, arrow up or arrow down
> while I am arrowing  up and down through a web page?
> Many thanks.  And, I’m glad to be here.
> James B
>


Two Skype UWP questions.

John Isige
 

Hi all. Two quick questions about Skype UWP with NVDA.


1. How can I see when a message was sent? If I highlight a message with the arrow keys and use NVDA-numpad 2 and then I think object nav to the right, I see a time, but not a date. Can I see both?


2. Is there an easy way to get to the list of messages? Today I sent a message, and then the person replied. NVDA said something like "skype text input", and I could see the person I was chatting with, make a call, make a video call, and so on, but I couldn't actually see their messages. I had to hit alt-1, arrow to another conversation, and then arrow back to them. Then I was able to tab to the list and hit end and arrow up through their messages. There's surely a simpler way to do this?


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Hay I have a very good idea about Skype 8.  Could some one please do a good pod cast on Skype 8?  I think the answering calls should be covered in an audio pod cast as well as all other things.


On 7/23/2018 12:47 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

I agree about good spelling and grammar. If on a pc, Tiny spell should do you right and it is very accessible with any screen reader one chooses.

Maybe this should have been posted to another mailing list. I personally am not subscribed to it, so this was great information for me. Apologies if it wasn't for some, but considering that skype 8 is soon going to be replacing older versions, any resources/tips I can get is greatly appreciated at this point.
I think some people need to take a few deep breaths. Cluttering this mailing list with messages about untrimmed quote on quote message trains, as he called it, is hardly a productive thing to be doing either.




On 23-Jul-2018 11:38 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn




Re: Introduction, and a question

Tyler Wood
 

I have my mail client set to threaded view, which I think should be the default for any of them. Drives me crazy when other programs don't conform to threaded view and create a completely separate one with the same subject.

Tyler

On 23-Jul-2018 11:47 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Seems like most sighted folk on the lists I'm on seem to like it the way it does not default to.
That is, they seem to like the response at the bottom, or if multiple answers, then by separating the original messages with their responses after each.
Personally, I hate reading through the quoted original message, as when I'm following a thread, I rarely need to read the quoted message, and when I do, I would rather read it after the reply.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question

Personally I hate it when I can't see what the message is actually replying to.

In a few cases it gets quoted, but only in a few and it isn't very often.

How does grammar have *anything* to do with trimming a message and a few tenths of a kilobyte? Furthermore, why do email programs default to having the message listed at the top if this isn't supposed to be the case?





On 23-Jul-2018 11:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid
of course! :-) Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question


James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and
problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing
to safely remove them.

Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST
file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of
Windows & Skype.

I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good
accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic.
Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work
in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had
some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst.
Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure.

Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on
the Skype English list.
The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling
checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list
trailer lines.
Brian










Re: Introduction, and a question

Ervin, Glenn
 

Seems like most sighted folk on the lists I'm on seem to like it the way it does not default to.
That is, they seem to like the response at the bottom, or if multiple answers, then by separating the original messages with their responses after each.
Personally, I hate reading through the quoted original message, as when I'm following a thread, I rarely need to read the quoted message, and when I do, I would rather read it after the reply.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question

Personally I hate it when I can't see what the message is actually replying to.

In a few cases it gets quoted, but only in a few and it isn't very often.

How does grammar have *anything* to do with trimming a message and a few tenths of a kilobyte? Furthermore, why do email programs default to having the message listed at the top if this isn't supposed to be the case?





On 23-Jul-2018 11:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid
of course! :-) Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question


James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and
problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing
to safely remove them.

Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST
file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of
Windows & Skype.

I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good
accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic.
Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work
in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had
some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst.
Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure.

Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on
the Skype English list.
The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling
checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list
trailer lines.
Brian







Re: skype 8 for desktop

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

I agree about good spelling and grammar. If on a pc, Tiny spell should do you right and it is very accessible with any screen reader one chooses.

Maybe this should have been posted to another mailing list. I personally am not subscribed to it, so this was great information for me. Apologies if it wasn't for some, but considering that skype 8 is soon going to be replacing older versions, any resources/tips I can get is greatly appreciated at this point.
I think some people need to take a few deep breaths. Cluttering this mailing list with messages about untrimmed quote on quote message trains, as he called it, is hardly a productive thing to be doing either.




On 23-Jul-2018 11:38 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn



Re: Introduction, and a question

Tyler Wood
 

Personally I hate it when I can't see what the message is actually replying to.

In a few cases it gets quoted, but only in a few and it isn't very often.

How does grammar have *anything* to do with trimming a message and a few tenths of a kilobyte? Furthermore, why do email programs default to having the message listed at the top if this isn't supposed to be the case?

On 23-Jul-2018 11:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid of course! :-)
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question


James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing to safely remove them.

Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of Windows & Skype.

I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic.
Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst. Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure.

Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on the Skype English list.
The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list trailer lines.
Brian






Re: skype 8 for desktop

Ervin, Glenn
 

Although I don’t expect it to happen by everyone on a list, I must add that I wish more folks would use a spellchecker on their eMail program.

If one has Office installed, then your eMail program will definitely be able to check your eMail messages when you send them.

If you don’t have Office installed, I think some eMail programs have a spellchecking function included, I haven’t come across them though.

I can excuse smart phones and tablets, as their spellchecking functions may be harder to use.

Although not required, on lists, it is just good practice in my opinion.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Excuse me but Gene Asner is the moderator--not you.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

This message train does discuss Skype 8 for desktop, however has nothing to do with NVDA, this list's topic.

Perhaps should migrate to Skype English?

Please, Use grammar & spell checkers for optimal writing perfection. In addition, proofread.

1,200 bytes of redundant list trailers deleted.

Brian

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Hay I was also wondering how to exit or quit skype from the system tray?

 

On 7/22/2018 8:58 PM, P. Otter wrote:

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 


Re: skype 8 for desktop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Pardon me, but is this an NVDA list or a list to teach grammar skills? I didn't know we had an English professor on the list. You must be very bored to be correcting everybody's messages.

 

That's all I'll say.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

1,301 bytes redundant trailer lines deleted.

Perhaps belongs on Skype English?

Please, use grammar, spell checkers and proofread;

Please quote just enough to maintain continuity of thought per list rule; or sum up prior messages in a sentence or two, a highly prized skill.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

you are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
in addition, that is the problem.
cheers
Paul otter

Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn


Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)

 

Hi,
It is kept for backward compatibility purposes.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)

OK, well, I read this, does this mean that hand installed app modules are no longer going to work. as I know some people who have this already, as their use is special, and unlikely to be of interest to others, and indeed the time to package it as an official add on. This does mean however that no indication of its presence is available in nvda. The main one was to do with fiddling with sleep mode outside of profiles.
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons
(#3208)


He posted on the thread a few days ago.See joseph's message below, guys.


On 7/22/2018 5:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For benefit of @feerrenrut <https://github.com/feerrenrut> and others
who have recently boarded this train, a short summary of what's been
happening for the past five years:

In earliest versions of NVDA (say, 0.6, 2009.1 and others), one can
"install" Python modules to serve as plugins in folders inside user
config directory. These were looked up when NVDA starts, and
depending on where the module was found, it could add support for an
app or two, or add global features. This was changed in 2012 when
add-ons were introduced, at which point everything having to do with
extenidng NVDA via external modules became part of add-ons.

Back in the early days of add-ons community (which I'm serving as
some sort of a press secretary at the moment), users needing to
update add-ons would visit community add-ons website and download
updated releases. In some cases, authors such as myself provided
direct links to new add-on releases. At the time of creation of this
issue (2013), it became apparent to the add-ons people that people
were not updating their add-ons unless told to do so, and a way to
let NVDA check for, download, and apply add-on updates became desirable.

Currently the server that hosts community add-ons website uses a PHP
file to keep a record of ad-dons and their versionss, controlled from
a Bitbucket repository. This exposed us to several flaws, including
someone accidentally deleting the repo, not being flexible in adding
new add-on releases from the website itself and what not. After
several rounds of discussions, people involved in this conversation
agreed that a database would be much better to not only store add-on
information, but also to open up more possibilities including
updating add-ons.

As it stands, add-on update client is ready to go (by the way,
restrictions on portable copies has been lifted thanks to unified
NVDA update facility introduced in 2018.1 as part of postponing
updates) provided that the exchange format is standardized. The
biggest hurdles as of July 2018 are:

1. Designing the exchange format: JSON will be used to encapsulate
all sorts of data about add-ons.
2. Server infrastructure: the add-ons server should be ready to host
a database for storing add-on information (an SQL database is a
most likely scenario).
3. Resources: not only finding a server to test this on, but also
asking folks to help out.
4. Communication: not only Core people must be aware of what's up,
add-ons community, and in extension, the entire NVDA community
should be made aware of what's up. The biggest hurdle in
communication being talking to authors of add-ons not hosted on
community add-ons website at the moment.

As for priority level: P3 at the moment not only because of higher
priority work that's being done, but also because this feature will
require some outstanding pull requests to be integrated into NVDA,
namely checkable list box.

Hope this helps. Thanks.





Re: [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)

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OK, well, I read this, does this mean that hand installed app modules are no longer going to work. as I know some people who have this already, as their use is special, and unlikely to be of interest to others, and indeed the time to package it as an official add on. This does mean however that no indication of its presence is available in nvda. The main one was to do with fiddling with sleep mode outside of profiles.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvaccess/nvda] Ability to automatically update add-ons (#3208)


He posted on the thread a few days ago.See joseph's message below, guys.


On 7/22/2018 5:30 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For benefit of @feerrenrut <https://github.com/feerrenrut> and others
who have recently boarded this train, a short summary of what's been
happening for the past five years:

In earliest versions of NVDA (say, 0.6, 2009.1 and others), one can
"install" Python modules to serve as plugins in folders inside user
config directory. These were looked up when NVDA starts, and depending
on where the module was found, it could add support for an app or two,
or add global features. This was changed in 2012 when add-ons were
introduced, at which point everything having to do with extenidng NVDA
via external modules became part of add-ons.

Back in the early days of add-ons community (which I'm serving as some
sort of a press secretary at the moment), users needing to update
add-ons would visit community add-ons website and download updated
releases. In some cases, authors such as myself provided direct links
to new add-on releases. At the time of creation of this issue (2013),
it became apparent to the add-ons people that people were not updating
their add-ons unless told to do so, and a way to let NVDA check for,
download, and apply add-on updates became desirable.

Currently the server that hosts community add-ons website uses a PHP
file to keep a record of ad-dons and their versionss, controlled from
a Bitbucket repository. This exposed us to several flaws, including
someone accidentally deleting the repo, not being flexible in adding
new add-on releases from the website itself and what not. After
several rounds of discussions, people involved in this conversation
agreed that a database would be much better to not only store add-on
information, but also to open up more possibilities including updating
add-ons.

As it stands, add-on update client is ready to go (by the way,
restrictions on portable copies has been lifted thanks to unified NVDA
update facility introduced in 2018.1 as part of postponing updates)
provided that the exchange format is standardized. The biggest hurdles
as of July 2018 are:

1. Designing the exchange format: JSON will be used to encapsulate
all sorts of data about add-ons.
2. Server infrastructure: the add-ons server should be ready to host
a database for storing add-on information (an SQL database is a
most likely scenario).
3. Resources: not only finding a server to test this on, but also
asking folks to help out.
4. Communication: not only Core people must be aware of what's up,
add-ons community, and in extension, the entire NVDA community
should be made aware of what's up. The biggest hurdle in
communication being talking to authors of add-ons not hosted on
community add-ons website at the moment.

As for priority level: P3 at the moment not only because of higher
priority work that's being done, but also because this feature will
require some outstanding pull requests to be integrated into NVDA,
namely checkable list box.

Hope this helps. Thanks.




Re: here is my little bit of experiment

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No its OK but there are often ramifications to the simplest acts. Enthusiasm has often driven me to make an idiot of myself as well. Some might say I might take it up as a career!
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment


sorry! I didn't know that it'll be a big problem.

On 7/23/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I would like to point out, as this is your first post here, that if the
Eloquence you mention here is not the legal one, you cannot advertise this
here as we have legal issues.
Obviously if you remove this and make it clear that this has been done,
then fine.
For the record if it is that illegal add on it has also got reliability
ramifications on nvda as well.

Just saying.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] here is my little bit of experiment


plz know me your opinions suggestions are wellcomed do keep in mind
that this is my first post regarding NVDA and i'm new to this
blogging!
http://sardartechsollutions4vi.blogspot.com/2018/07/here-is-fully-functional-portable-nvda.html






Re: skype 8 for desktop

Cristóbal
 

I do find it somewhat ironic someone complaining about threads and all the lines they needlessly take up when they’ve got a rather long signature line included in their email messages. Contact me this, Skype me that and so on. It’s not exactly a bunch of giggles getting past that every single time if you wish to scroll down a thread to read the thread.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 6:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Since its founding, the list has permitted some off topic discussion. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:20 AM

Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

This message train does not appear to discuss Skype 8 for desktops in connection with NVDA. Does it belong here or on Skype English list?

Many mail clients include highly effective grammar & spelling checkers. Please use them to promote excellence in writing style, spelling and capitalization & grammar. Please set your mail client to require spelling and grammar checks on all mail prior to sending. After running the checkers, remember to proofread your post. This improves your writing style. As well as letting, you touch up errors the checkers somehow neglected to find.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

Ok, that means, it is the same hotkey as to start an audio conversation?
Rather strange!
I have tried it out but it do not work.
I am afraid there is not one!!
 

Op 23-7-2018 Om 03:04 schreef Cristóbal:

Correct. There is not, but the answer has since been provided. So problem solved. This should of course be included in Skype’s info, but for one reason or another, it is not. Either way, the answer is once again, control plus shift plus P. I found this out by playing with the program and doing some test calls after my original query got back all sorts of outdated or irrelevant info. The ideal scenario would be that the information should be easily and readily accessible via Skype itself, but it is not. Therefore, it goes…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

You are right, but there is not mention the hotkey to answer a call!
In addition, that is the problem.
Cheers
Paul otter



Op 23-7-2018 om 01:14 schreef Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io:

hi all

below is a link, which Microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

 

 

kerryn

 

 


Re: Introduction, and a question

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Yes we will award the message trimming rights to yourself then, unpaid of course! :-)
Brian

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Introduction, and a question


James, Felix, Brian's mail list & James were discussing NVDA and problems with external media showing files still in use when wishing to safely remove them.

Shaun had comments about bad experiences with Outlook; corrupted .PST file lost much mail etc. Gave a synopsis of various editions of Windows & Skype.

I do not think people distrust the Skype team; they provided good accessibility to Skype at least up to Skype Classic.
Yes, providing feedback to MS about what works and what does not work in Skype with Screenreader makes a lot of sense. Certainly, MS has had some legendary dud editions of Windows. Vista was about the worst. Skype accessibility is changing. Possibly for the worse, not sure.

Shaun, not sure, if your commentary regarding Skype belong here or on the Skype English list.
The message train would benefit from use of grammar & spelling checkers prior to posting as well as trimming almost 1 k bytes of list trailer lines.
Brian


Re: OT Observations on skype 8 for desktop

Brian's Mail list account
 

It is not going to happen though, is it?

Time is seen as being taken to do lots of edits, but seldom seen as wasted by the receiver of the message. However, if the message that is put on the top of the pile is concise and understandable, then one can safely not read the remainder.

Brian

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] OT Observations on skype 8 for desktop


Dear Paul & List:

Paul in a previous post asked if I was bored as well as quoted my
observations on a train of messages, I questioned why they were posted here
instead of Skype English, as they had nothing to do with NVDA.

No, not bored at all; just observant.
The remarks regarding grammar & spell checking are based upon my ledger
experience of running my Outlook 2013 checkers on the train of messages.
1,301 bytes of trailer lines is excessive.
Idea! If Outlook is your mail client, try turning on grammar & spell
checking to see if they catch any errors. The lack of capitalization and
spelling errors on most lists is phenomenal. Much of it can be eliminated by
turning on the built-in checkers.
This can really improve the experience of participating in mailing lists.
Summing up previous messages concisely is an excellent skill to hone.
Unbelievably, even lists for English Lit majors in college also have these
problems.
Brian




Re: Accessible voice and text chat

Sarah k Alawami
 

I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a ver good tool for my jobs and more.

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On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing patience with it I suspect.


Re: skype 8 for desktop

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I sometimes sit here and find myself wondering why nobody heeds the well trodden rule of humanity. If something is not broken, don't try to fix it. That is all that needs to be said about Skype from its inception to now.
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] skype 8 for desktop


hi all
below is a link which microsoft give short cuts for skype 8 for desktop

https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

kerryn


Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA

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I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
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Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA


I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live.

After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash. And, just use the original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a computer outside of my home.

Gene, thank you for your input. I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I paid around $40,for lousy speech. Especially since I am so impressed with NVDA itself.

As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to use Chrome.

Cheers,

James B



From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

There is something else to consider. First, I may have misunderstood the request to take the sub ject off list. It might have referred to where people live. I often see people take topics of general interest off lists and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion.

As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to use it with. I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA from a thumb drive. Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use the artifact.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence.

I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use.

Gene
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From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this.




On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best.

I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy.

James B


From: Richard Wells
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA

James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product.




On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi all,

I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA.

If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using?

Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good?

Thanks,

James B